League Table since Adkins - indications for 2nd half of season?

[Village Saint]

No but seriously I do not understand exactly why Lambert is on the field, week in week out when his scoring record from open play is inferior to that of Barnard,Guly and Lallana. We could just experiment with say Barnard and Guly and the full arsenal behind them to see what happens,but not just after 80 minutes or so,from the start.

 

Perhaps Lambert is in because week in week out he is by far and away the best player in our team! Again he worked his balls off on Tuesday and rarely put a foot wrong setting up Guly; Lallana and Chaplow in turn for chances they really should have put away. His frustration was obvious.

[NickG]

After Friday's game

Brighton played 24 points 49

Saints played 24 points 45

 

Bournemouth played 26 points 44

Huddersfield played 25 points 41

Oldham played 26 points 37

Mk played 28 points 40

 

Charlton played 23 points 34

Colchester played 24 points 35

Peterborough played 24 points 37

[NickG]

Brighton 2 points per game

Saints 1.9

 

Bournemouth 1.7

Huddersfield 1.6

Oldham 1.4

Mk 1.4

 

Charlton 1.47

Colchester 1.5

Peterborough 1.5

[teamsaint]

if someone had asked Adkins 8 games ago, with 6 of the 8 being away, if he would take 15 points, he would have been mad to turn it down.

[Legod Third Coming]

Nick

 

I don't always agree with your outlook but I appreciate you keeping this record up to date.

However, could you possibly add goals scores and conceded to see where we are either winning this battle or losing it?

[Legod Third Coming]

if someone had asked Adkins 8 games ago, with 6 of the 8 being away, if he would take 15 points, he would have been mad to turn it down.

 

It rather depends who those games are against. If you offered me a draw at Brighton, I would take it. A draw at Hartlepool feels like a missed opportunity and I'm sure Adkins feels the same way...

[Window Cleaner]

It rather depends who those games are against. If you offered me a draw at Brighton, I would take it. A draw at Hartlepool feels like a missed opportunity and I'm sure Adkins feels the same way...

 

I thought the draw at Hartlepool was an acceptable result,still miffed about throwing away a 2 goal lead twice at Peterborough though.

[John B]

If we perform like we have done in the last eight home games and nine away games we will get 81 points

 

Not as good as last season but OK for second spot probably

 

If the other clubs perfom as they have done this season

 

Brighton 93 points

Bournemouth 78

Huddersfield 77

Charlton 72

Peterborough 72

[Window Cleaner]

If we perform like we have done in the last eight home games and nine away games we will get 81 points

 

Not as good as last season but OK for second spot probably

 

If the other clubs perfom as they have done this season

 

Brighton 93 points

Bournemouth 78

Huddersfield 77

Charlton 72

Peterborough 72

 

Charlton have totally blown it and we have to be thankful for that.I still think that the outcome of our season will revolve around the 2 matches against them and the Bournemouth game though.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I thought the draw at Hartlepool was an acceptable result,still miffed about throwing away a 2 goal lead twice at Peterborough though.

 

I agree, we should have put that one to bed. Win that one and a draw at Hartlepool looks a better result.

 

I've always taken the view the less "must win" games you play,the better. We're nowhere near the "must win" situation yet, because everyone bar Brighton keeps slipping up.

[John B]

Charlton have totally blown it and we have to be thankful for that.I still think that the outcome of our season will revolve around the 2 matches against them and the Bournemouth game though.

 

Yes I agree with that although I think it is more important to beat Bournemouth which we have already done twice this season

[sadoldgit]

Pardew would have most likely got us promoted. Probably wouldn't have us in as good a position as we are now, but I reckon we'd be around the play-offs.

 

I agree, if he had been allowed to manage the way he wanted too. Sadly we had another CEO who wanted to interfere. Still, he is doing a decent job in the Premiership now so it is ours loss, not his. Adkins is okay but I don't think he would cut it in the Premiership, not for a while anyway. The players he brought in during the transfer window to bolster the push were underwhelming and I think the play offs is the best we can hope for.

[NickG]

hope he doesn't need to cut it in prem for at least 2 years.

 

How is Cortese interfering?

[jam]

hope he doesn't need to cut it in prem for at least 2 years.

 

How is Cortese interfering?

 

Apparently trying to focus and rebuild the entire club is 'interfering'...

[sadoldgit]

hope he doesn't need to cut it in prem for at least 2 years.

 

How is Cortese interfering?

 

If he gets us there.

 

By sacking Pardew and most of the coaching staff.

[Toadhall Saint]

If he gets us there.

 

By sacking Pardew and most of the coaching staff.

 

By that measure so does every chairman in every football club.

[sadoldgit]

By that measure so does every chairman in every football club.

 

My point is that he sacked a team that were actually doing well rather than failing. Can you honestly say that Adkins has actually made a huge difference?

[Thedelldays]

My point is that he sacked a team that were actually doing well rather than failing. Can you honestly say that Adkins has actually made a huge difference?

 

We were very average In pre season an the Start of the season

 

IMO pardew would have up sticks anyway for Newcastle and work for his mate

[Thedelldays]

I agree, if he had been allowed to manage the way he wanted too. Sadly we had another CEO who wanted to interfere. Still, he is doing a decent job in the Premiership now so it is ours loss, not his. Adkins is okay but I don't think he would cut it in the Premiership, not for a while anyway. The players he brought in during the transfer window to bolster the push were underwhelming and I think the play offs is the best we can hope for.

 

Wow. Yet another reference to Lowe

 

You really are a stuck record

[sadoldgit]

Wow. Yet another reference to Lowe

 

You really are a stuck record[/QUOT

 

Not by name. Get over yourself.Does this mean we can never talk about any ex empoyees of the club or just the ones that you have an issue with?

[sadoldgit]

We were very average In pre season an the Start of the season

 

IMO pardew would have up sticks anyway for Newcastle and work for his mate

 

We have often been average since and we don't know if he would have gone if his relationship with the bossman had been ok.

[NickG]

Brighton played 25 points 49

Saints played 25 points 48

 

Bournemouth played 27 points 47

Huddersfield played 26 points 42

Oldham played 27 points 37

Mk played 29 points 43

 

Charlton played 23 points 34

Colchester played 25 points 35

Peterborough played 25 points 40

[NickG]

points per game

 

Brighton 1.96

Saints 1.92

 

Bournemouth 1.74

Huddersfield 1.61

Oldham 1.37

Mk 1.48

 

Charlton 1.47

Colchester 1.4

Peterborough 1.6

[Thedelldays]

We have often been average since and we don't know if he would have gone if his relationship with the bossman had been ok.

 

You reckon he would have turned down a huge pay rise and prem football for a fairly big club to work for his mate

[NickG]

If all teams gain points at the above rate, for their games in hand on Bournemouth, the table -after 33 games each would be:

 

Brighton 65

Saints 58

Bournemouth 58

Huddersfild 55

Peterborough 54

 

Think its looking like anyone of four teams for 2nd.

[sadoldgit]

You reckon he would have turned down a huge pay rise and prem football for a fairly big club to work for his mate

 

You are assuming that this job was on the table much arlier I suppose. If so, why not just leave? Why wait to get sacked?

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Window Cleaner

No but seriously I do not understand exactly why Lambert is on the field, week in week out when his scoring record from open play is inferior to that of Barnard,Guly and Lallana. We could just experiment with say Barnard and Guly and the full arsenal behind them to see what happens,but not just after 80 minutes or so,from the start.

 

 

Perhaps Lambert is in because week in week out he is by far and away the best player in our team! Again he worked his balls off on Tuesday and rarely put a foot wrong setting up Guly; Lallana and Chaplow in turn for chances they really should have put away. His frustration was obvious.

 

Ricky's job is our front man, not some creative on the wing or far deeper. He must be getting really frustrated because he can't pick out that front man to pass to? Ricky has to do his job and let the others do theirs. What we have seen from Ricky in February is what I expected to have seen from him all season.

 

He should have been dropped beforehand and other options tried, but not now when he is actually doing what he is meant to be doing. He got a bit miffed the other week when Guly grabbed the ball for a free kick after he was fouled. Guly's shot was poor, but Ricky should not still be claiming every free kick when your return this season has been one scored by deflection.

 

I looked at the comments from those at the Hartlepool game and their opinion was not impressed by Ricky, just Guly in the first half and that from a bad lot. It's no good wandering off and doing a nice job of ironing the kit when things are not working up front, he's there to lead the front line and score goals when sometimes we don't really deserve to. We need a front man, a striker, a goal poacher doing the business, not a wing man or occasional provider to the midfielders or wingers.

 

I would put our chances of automatic promotion relying on Ricky scoring as he has done in February. Go back to the Ricky from the first half of the season and it's not worth considering. Our fate and Ricky's form go hand in hand now with little other option but to stick with him. An on form Ricky is a scoring beast this league cannot handle, not to be confused with that effigy we saw in the first half of the season.

[Thedelldays]

You are assuming that this job was on the table much arlier I suppose. If so, why not just leave? Why wait to get sacked?

 

You Are assuming we would have had a good season under pardew

[NickG]

Since Ferguson returned to Peterborough:

 

played 10, gained 17 points - 1.7 per game.

 

Looked at this as had impression is was going to be better and see them as a threat.

[NickG]

points per game

 

Brighton 1.96

Saints 1.92

 

Bournemouth 1.74

Huddersfield 1.61

Oldham 1.37

Mk 1.48

 

Charlton 1.47

Colchester 1.4

Peterborough 1.6

 

saints pre Adkins:

 

Pardew 1.3

Wilkins 0

total 0.8

 

silly small sample though!

[NickG]

points per game

 

Brighton 1.96

Saints 1.92

 

Bournemouth 1.74

Huddersfield 1.61

Oldham 1.37

Mk 1.48

 

Charlton 1.47

Colchester 1.4

Peterborough 1.6

 

Personally I feel the MK game had very little to do with Adkins, just arrived and had been sorting out his move etc - probably didn't even know who half the players were.

 

I accept that is would readily be used in stats in his favour if we had won, so for strict accuracy have always included it.

 

However, ever since MK game Adkins has gained 2 points per game exactly - the highest in the division.

[St Marco]

I was wondering if you could show us what the table would looklike if we used the starting point as game 6?

Reason i ask is i noticed when Adkins took over on the 12th most teams played their 6th game on the evening before he took over. He then had 3 days with the team and we then played our 6th game on the 15th which was a weds. Reason for that was because we played in the jpt.

 

So I wondered what the table looks like if we all start at the game 6 point as opposed to us starting at game 6 and everyone else starting at game 7?

[NickG]

will look at that when get chance

[Frank's cousin]

Stats.. and darned stats... I think teh probloem we have is that despiet a decent points tally and a good record, we have yet to play consistetly at the highest standard we are obvioulsy capable of... so it detracts from what the stats say which is that we are close ton averaging 2 points a game since he took over... Also whta do we expect from him? come be honest fpor a change we are in L1 and yet some of you are expecting us to have a prem quality manager now... we have a talented newbie who is learning more as each season goes. Wull he make the grade and be good enough for teh prem? whio knows, maybe, maybe not, but I find it a bit churlish when we criticise him so heavily as expecting him to be the finished article in L1.....

[Doctoroncall]

Just to throw in some more stats, we continue to put in more shots in on goal than anyone else but obviously placement or good defending is a bit of an issue as they are not being converted to goals often enough which would alleviate opposition pressure some of the time (the Swindon game being one).

 

Top scorers Peterborough are second and interestingly Brighton are midtable. To convert shots to goals, Saints need 4.1 shots on target per goal while Brighton need 2.8 and Peterborough 2.2 respectively. Bournemouth and Huddersfield are around 3.3 mark.

[dellboypete]

from football365 stats pages - they have a run-in that predicts final table based on season form to date and recent form

 

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/runin.html

 

Team/Current Pts/games to Play/max Possible Pts/Highest Possible Finish/Lowest Possible Finish/Projected Points-Season Form/ Recent Form

 

1 Brighton & Hove Albion....59 16 107 1 24 89.4 91.0

2 AFC Bournemouth............58 13 ..97 1 24 80.1 86.6

3 Southampton...................52 16 100 1 24 79.2 80.8

4 Huddersfield Town...........53 14 ..95 1 24 75.4 76.8

5 Peterborough United...... 53 14 ..95 1 24 75.4 76.8

6 Charlton Athletic..............47 16 ..95 1 24 71.0 72.6

7 Milton Keynes Dons.........52 12 ..88 1 24 70.0 71.2

 

Interesting to see that there is hardly any difference in projected points using season to date form and recent form (assumed to be last 8 games).

[Window Cleaner]

from football365 stats pages - they have a run-in that predicts final table based on season form to date and recent form

 

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/runin.html

 

Team/Current Pts/games to Play/max Possible Pts/Highest Possible Finish/Lowest Possible Finish/Projected Points-Season Form/ Recent Form

 

1 Brighton & Hove Albion....59 16 107 1 24 89.4 91.0

2 AFC Bournemouth............58 13 ..97 1 24 80.1 86.6

3 Southampton...................52 16 100 1 24 79.2 80.8

4 Huddersfield Town...........53 14 ..95 1 24 75.4 76.8

5 Peterborough United...... 53 14 ..95 1 24 75.4 76.8

6 Charlton Athletic..............47 16 ..95 1 24 71.0 72.6

7 Milton Keynes Dons.........52 12 ..88 1 24 70.0 71.2

 

Interesting to see that there is hardly any difference in projected points using season to date form and recent form (assumed to be last 8 games).

 

I think we'll get more than 80.8 though, they are obviously not using the Adkins era model.

[beardy]

*cough*

[OttawaSaint]

I use this site, it does simulations based on probability to predict the outcome of the season. It updates after every game so gets more and more accurate. I use it for NHL but noticed it has football too. They have us at 41% chance to be promoted (down by 11% following yesterday's defeat). They have us to finish 3rd at the moment and we only have a 9% chance of missing the playoffs.

 

Make of it what you will: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/England/LeagueOne.html

[Saint_clark]

Quite funny that, despite hating them so much, Alpine is more optimistic about our chances of getting promoted than the actual stats.

[SaintNeil90]

If we win all games we would finish with 96. This is not realisitc obviously (I wish it was).

 

I think that means we can only afford to drop absolute maximum of 10 points to guaranteed 2nd.

 

IMO

[David Strover]

Charlton have totally blown it and we have to be thankful for that.I still think that the outcome of our season will revolve around the 2 matches against them and the Bournemouth game though.

 

Yes and we can't beat Walsall, Hartlepool or Tranmere away from home - nor at times Brentford, Notts County or Rochdale at home - plus the pressure will be on. Oh dear.

[Saint_clark]

Yes and we can't beat Walsall, Hartlepool or Tranmere away from home - nor at times Brentford, Notts County or Rochdale at home - plus the pressure will be on. Oh dear.

 

Yawn...but we can beat Huddersfield, Posh, Wednesday...go figure huh.

[OttawaSaint]

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/England/LeagueOne.html

 

This site now has us predicted to get second spot...

[NickG]

Been a while... working this out as I do it so not sure how it will look!

 

criteria I am using is results post 15 September.

 

Teams in the order of current league table, with played : points : points per game

 

Brighton 37 : 83 : 2.2

Saints 35 : 73 : 2.1

Huddersfield 36 : 66 : 1.8

Peterborough 36 : 62 : 1.7

MK Dons 36 : 59 : 1.6

Cherries 36 : 55 : 1.5

Rochdale 36 : 53 : 1.5

Orient 36 : 57 : 1.6

[NickG]

as some such as alps were concerned that it didn't fairly reflect Posh post Fergie, their post Fergie stats:

 

He took over with them 4 points behind us, with a game in hand.

 

Since then they have performed worse than Brighton, Huddersfield, Saints, and MK, they are now 3 points behind having played game more

[ludgershallsaint]

Considering what Adkins first walked in to I can't see any cause for complaint

[NickG]

if we go up automatically he will have done a good job.

[beardy]

Personally I feel the MK game had very little to do with Adkins, just arrived and had been sorting out his move etc - probably didn't even know who half the players were.

 

I accept that is would readily be used in stats in his favour if we had won, so for strict accuracy have always included it.

However, ever since MK game Adkins has gained 2 points per game exactly - the highest in the division.

 

Been a while... working this out as I do it so not sure how it will look!

 

criteria I am using is results post 15 September.

 

Teams in the order of current league table, with played : points : points per game

 

Brighton 37 : 83 : 2.2

Saints 35 : 73 : 2.1

Huddersfield 36 : 66 : 1.8

Peterborough 36 : 62 : 1.7

MK Dons 36 : 59 : 1.6

Cherries 36 : 55 : 1.5

Rochdale 36 : 53 : 1.5

Orient 36 : 57 : 1.6

 

There's a surprise.

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

There's a surprise.

 

ok then, taking into account the loss to MK Dons (hardly fair IMHO) puts us on 2.02 points per game if you're going to be a noob about it. Still ahead of all those AMAZING teams on such great runs of form.