sfc4prem Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 Pardew only had one stab at it and almost achieved it even though he started with -10 points Yep. Almost. 7 points away from the playoffs, which are no guarantee of promotion.
saintwarwick Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 Yep. Almost. 7 points away from the playoffs, which are no guarantee of promotion. Hence my reply "almost achieved it" but had we started with those 10 points we would of at least been in the playoffs and within a shout of winning through.
sfc4prem Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 True. He did do well last season. No one can dispute that. Shame he started this season so poorly.
saintwarwick Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 True. He did do well last season. No one can dispute that. Shame he started this season so poorly. No more so poorly as last season
carljack Posted 5 February, 2011 Posted 5 February, 2011 I reckon we will finish the season in good style especially on the firmer pitches that we can expect from March onwards,still think we will win it by 4 points or more. SAINT TILL I DIE!
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 February, 2011 Posted 5 February, 2011 I reckon we will finish the season in good style especially on the firmer pitches that we can expect from March onwards,still think we will win it by 4 points or more. SAINT TILL I DIE! We should. And we will. Just so long as the players keep working hard. Then their talent will easily see us home.
NickG Posted 5 February, 2011 Author Posted 5 February, 2011 Brighton played 22 points 43 Saints played 22 points 41 Bournemouth played 23 points 39 Huddersfield played 22 points 38 Oldham played 22 points 35 Mk played 24 points 35 Charlton played 19 points 31 Colchester played 20 points 28 Peterborough played 20 points 30
saint lard Posted 6 February, 2011 Posted 6 February, 2011 The only stat that will matter comes at the end of the season. Our final position come May is all important,not where we stand in a bloody current form league. I only need to look at the League table to give me a hint of how we are performing. That and watching us give a shoddy performance and give away a 2 goal lead....twice.
NickG Posted 6 February, 2011 Author Posted 6 February, 2011 be a bit brighter then and not open a thread with this title derr!
saint lard Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 be a bit brighter then and not open a thread with this title derr! Eh?
Charlie Wayman Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I was delighted to read that Addrers is learning to speak French so's e can have a better understanding with his players "who speak that lingo" Here are some helpful phrases for starters Nige. Practice these in front of the mirror before you try themem on Morgan and that new bloke who's name keeps me guessing! "gagner un match de football" "venir dans le bâtiment" "sur le bus" "jouer avec un sourire sur votre visage"
PaulGilchrist_76 Posted 9 February, 2011 Posted 9 February, 2011 Hows the 'current form' table looking?
NickG Posted 13 February, 2011 Author Posted 13 February, 2011 Brighton played 23 points 46 Saints played 23 points 44 Bournemouth played 24 points 42 Huddersfield played 23 points 39 Oldham played 23 points 36 Mk played 25 points 36 Charlton played 20 points 34 Colchester played 21 points 31 Peterborough played 21 points 30
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2011 Posted 13 February, 2011 next weekend is massive forfor us. If Bournemouth at home to Huddersfield. If we take care of business at Rochdale then we close 3 points on one of them or ideally two on both. It's vital we win next week.
Window Cleaner Posted 13 February, 2011 Posted 13 February, 2011 Rochdale unbeaten in their last 10 matches from which they've taken 22 points.It's all very arbitrary indeed.Form depends where you start to look.Next Saturday's is a massive match for us because we're playing one of the real form teams of the moment at a time when they've won all their home games in a 2 month period.
NickG Posted 13 February, 2011 Author Posted 13 February, 2011 (edited) next weekend is massive forfor us. If Bournemouth at home to Huddersfield. If we take care of business at Rochdale then we close 3 points on one of them or ideally two on both. It's vital we win next week. Big week - strange how many teams keeping good form going now. Edited 13 February, 2011 by NickG read Turkish's post wrong
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2011 Posted 13 February, 2011 think gaining three points on both is bit optimistic Big week - strange how many teams keeping good form going now. I didn't say taht did i Nicholas. I said 3 points on one of them or two on both. I know you love yout stats so here's how it works Bournemouth win, we gain 3 points on Huddersfield Huddersfield win, we gain 3 points on Bournemouth Its a draw we gain two points on both Provided we win of course.......
sadoldgit Posted 13 February, 2011 Posted 13 February, 2011 The bottom line. But it shouldnt detract from his achievement if he manages promotion, because Pardew couldnt. But would have done if he had started on a level playing field and is now managing in the Premiership. Adkins has done nothing yet here so maybe we should compare them when he has been here a while?
NickG Posted 13 February, 2011 Author Posted 13 February, 2011 I didn't say taht did i Nicholas. I said 3 points on one of them or two on both. I know you love yout stats so here's how it works Bournemouth win, we gain 3 points on Huddersfield Huddersfield win, we gain 3 points on Bournemouth Its a draw we gain two points on both Provided we win of course....... sorry my mistake -read it too quickly.
Frank's cousin Posted 13 February, 2011 Posted 13 February, 2011 But would have done if he had started on a level playing field and is now managing in the Premiership. Adkins has done nothing yet here so maybe we should compare them when he has been here a while? Think we need to put that one to bed... Ithink whateer we think about teh relative merits, its impossible to do the 'what if' and try and predict who would finish higher - I think we all know thnat the reason he was dismissed had little to do with the results on teh pitch and more to do with his ralationship with NC - I also get the perception, that AP was not seen as someone who could 'grow' with the side , who would get the new U21 thing etc... just speculation... but i think NC wants everyone to 'get with the program', and I suspect AP was perhaps of a different opinion. If we achieve what NC is expecting he will be proven correct in his decision, thems the harsh judgement calls in this 'beautiful game'
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 13 February, 2011 Posted 13 February, 2011 IMO it is a perfect time to play Rochdale as they will be confident and actually try and play football against us which will work in our favour.Rochdale are not that great a side no disrespect and we really should be winning this game.Their good run has to end sometime.I remember everyone harping on about Oldham and the fact they had only lost 1 game at home before we hammered them.With our very poor performance yesterday will work in our favour and I think we will beat Rochdale comfortably. I think Rochdale would be far more dangerous if they were on a bad run and desperately needed to win this game.Does anyone on here honestly think Rochdale will make the play offs? Extremely unlikely as their bubble will burst and why not by us? So we should certainly respect them but with the squad we have got we certainly should not fear them
NickG Posted 17 February, 2011 Author Posted 17 February, 2011 After midweek games Brighton played 23 points 46 Saints played 23 points 44 Bournemouth played 24 points 42 Huddersfield played 23 points 39 Oldham played 24 points 36 Mk played 26 points 36 Charlton played 21 points 34 Colchester played 22 points 31 Peterborough played 22 points 33
NickG Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Posted 20 February, 2011 for my personal interest! After Saturday's games; Brighton played 23 points 46 Saints played 23 points 44 Bournemouth played 25 points 43 Huddersfield played 24 points 40 Oldham played 25 points 36 Mk played 27 points 39 Charlton played 22 points 34 Colchester played 23 points 34 Peterborough played 23 points 36
um pahars Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 NickG, I don't think it is just for your personal interest as I'm sure many of us appreciate this (I know I certainly do). I agree it means feck all come May (and I pray it doesn't become a what might have been thread!!!!!!!!), but in the meantime it does pose some questions and provides some information, so thanks.
NickG Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Posted 20 February, 2011 cheers. Does answer a lot of criticism about Adkins, or questions about form, what more we need to do to get promoted etc - it appears he needs to carrry on as he has! With that period including his bedding in to a team (albeit with quality) in a dip, Lambert out of form/carrying injuries, Lallana out, Guly before we realised he was a forward and without the two pacy wingers on the bench. Have I convinced myself??
Turkish Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 cheers. Does answer a lot of criticism about Adkins, or questions about form, what more we need to do to get promoted etc - it appears he needs to carrry on as he has! With that period including his bedding in to a team (albeit with quality) in a dip, Lambert out of form/carrying injuries, Lallana out, Guly before we realised he was a forward and without the two pacy wingers on the bench. Have I convinced myself?? Lets hope no one sets out to injure Adkins during the run in our we are f*cked!
NickG Posted 22 February, 2011 Author Posted 22 February, 2011 Brighton played 24 points 49 Saints played 24 points 45 Bournemouth played 26 points 44 Huddersfield played 25 points 41 Oldham played 26 points 37 Mk played 28 points 40 Charlton played 22 points 34 Colchester played 24 points 35 Peterborough played 24 points 37
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Author Posted 23 February, 2011 Brighton 2 points per game Saints 1.9 Bournemouth 1.7 Huddersfield 1.6 Oldham played 1.4 Mk played 1.4 Charlton played 1.5 Colchester played 1.5 Peterborough played 1.5
Professor Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 Hadn't realised how great we were doing! Scoring 4 goas away to Peterborough was fantastic - shame we let in 4 but what the heck? And a brilliant 1-0 home win against mighty Carlisle who actually had 11 players for half the game. And now we hold high-flying, 14th-placed, Hartlepoool, to a 0-0 draw in front of a daunting 3,000 home crowd. Why worry when the lottery of the play-offs is a distinct possibility. If we don't get promoted it will only be because other teams haven't lost games they should have lost. We have a great squad and a great manager and if we have to, we'll walk this league next year....
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 I think this goes to show that, despite the way it feels, the thing seperating us from Brighton is their excellent start to the season, We've been not far off them since Adkins came up but haven't been able to go on the run needed to overhaul them. We're doing OK, not brilliant (given expectations) but not badly either. Last night should have been better but the other teams around us also failed to capitalise... so we move on to Saturday and hope we can get the much needed 3 points.
St Marco Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 I know it isn't really important and is actually a bit silly but thought i'd show an interesting stat. Pardews last 24 league games in charge he has a record of 14 wins, 5 losses and 5 draws, which is 47 points. Adkins has a lower points total then that. You can't really compare the first 24 for obvious reasons. Either way Adkins is doing ok, not amazing but ok. Hasen't really taken us onto the next level yet though. Hopefully with the remaining games we will now go on a long winning streak.
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Author Posted 23 February, 2011 don't think he is doing brilliant professor - hoped at one stage he would have been averaging clear of 2 points per game. But, 1.9 is doing pretty good - more than ok. Not many managers in any league who wouldn't want that. Poyet is doing very well,.
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 don't think he is doing brilliant professor - hoped at one stage he would have been averaging clear of 2 points per game. But, 1.9 is doing pretty good - more than ok. Not many managers in any league who wouldn't want that. Poyet is doing very well,. But if you look at the last 12 games I think Bournemouth are in front of us with 25 points from those 12 games to our our 22. After 18 games Bournemouth were a point below us and now they're 5 in front despite losing their manager and some players. So how do you interpret this? If we play true to form we'll take a bit less than 6 points from our 3 games in hand on them and still be below them by fractions of a point. If they carry their last 12 games form forward and we do the same we'll finish below them. The whole pivotal point is the game between the 2 sides on the 12th March, they can play for a draw, we'll need to win.
sotonjoe Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 The only stats you need to worry about are the ones shown on the ACTUAL league table.
Saint_John Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 But if you look at the last 12 games I think Bournemouth are in front of us with 25 points from those 12 games to our our 22. After 18 games Bournemouth were a point below us and now they're 5 in front despite losing their manager and some players. So how do you interpret this? ... In those 12 matches (7w, 4d, 1l) they beat Swindon (20th) Home and Away, they beat Plymouth (24th) Home and Away, they also beat Walsall (21st). So their record without the games against the bottom 5 was 2-4-1 (10 points from a max of 21) Not very impressive imo, if you take out the unbalanced fixture list.
John B Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 The only stats you need to worry about are the ones shown on the ACTUAL league table. Eight points from our last five games is that good enough?
Didcot Saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 Eight points from our last five games is that good enough? No. We are imo faultering.
saint lard Posted 23 February, 2011 Posted 23 February, 2011 Eight points from our last five games is that good enough? Nope. HTH.
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Author Posted 23 February, 2011 Eight points from our last five games is that good enough? 8 from 5 carried on wouldn't be but.. 4 from last 2 8 from last 4 (3 away) 21 from last 10 40 from last 20 or even 45 from the 24 games he has been here (although think 45 from 23 is fairer due to MK) would all probably be good enough!
NickG Posted 25 February, 2011 Author Posted 25 February, 2011 Brighton 2 points per game Saints 1.9 Bournemouth 1.7 Huddersfield 1.6 Oldham played 1.4 Mk played 1.4 Charlton played 1.5 Colchester played 1.5 Peterborough played 1.5 if we continue @ 1.9 points per game, our games in hand would take put us into 2nd place. If all teams continue at above rates we will be promoted with about 2 games to spare! Relax!
Professor Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 if we continue @ 1.9 points per game, our games in hand would take put us into 2nd place. If all teams continue at above rates we will be promoted with about 2 games to spare! Relax! Except that in the last 6 games Saints have got 1.5 points per game, not 1.9. Fact is you can pick your stats to support a preconceived position. They have to do better in the next 6 games than in the last 6 and hope that other teams keep slipping up.
hypochondriac Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 Except that in the last 6 games Saints have got 1.5 points per game, not 1.9. Fact is you can pick your stats to support a preconceived position. They have to do better in the next 6 games than in the last 6 and hope that other teams keep slipping up. Precisely. Our RECENT form is not good enough and thus you can see why people are getting concerned.
Doctoroncall Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 Except that in the last 6 games Saints have got 1.5 points per game, not 1.9. Fact is you can pick your stats to support a preconceived position. They have to do better in the next 6 games than in the last 6 and hope that other teams keep slipping up. That goes without saying and is the wrong way to look at things. Without finding out first, what measure would you use as an indicator as to how things are likely to turn out come the end of the season and why?
NickG Posted 25 February, 2011 Author Posted 25 February, 2011 Except that in the last 6 games Saints have got 1.5 points per game, not 1.9. Fact is you can pick your stats to support a preconceived position. They have to do better in the next 6 games than in the last 6 and hope that other teams keep slipping up. When you are at the top, one defeat in 6 can throw the current form table. The form for the last six is purely down to the one defeat in the last 10 league games. As I posted on the Adkins thread: 9 points from last 6 games isn't great and wouldn't be enough if continued. A couple of our rivals for 2nd have managed 12 in 6 games -but we have had several away games. But form guide as a prediction for season, and a measure of where a manager has his teams could equally be done over more or less games: We have gained 4 from last 2 games - good. We have gained 8 from last 4 games (3 away) -good We have gained 21 from last 10 games - good. We have gained 40 from last 20 games - good We have gained 45 from 23 -good
Armitage Shanks Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 We will be fine if we can keep our current squad fit. My big concern is that if we lose AL again for a few games or lose Lambert we will struggle to make 2nd.
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 We will be fine if we can keep our current squad fit. My big concern is that if we lose AL again for a few games or lose Lambert we will struggle to make 2nd. Losing Lambert might well be the biggest bonus we could hope for.It would make us play differently.
Doctoroncall Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 Losing Lambert might well be the biggest bonus we could hope for.It would make us play differently. And that would be a sign of a good manager and team - to be able to pick up points while coping with a lose/change to the team.
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 And that would be a sign of a good manager and team - to be able to pick up points while coping with a lose/change to the team. No but seriously I do not understand exactly why Lambert is on the field, week in week out when his scoring record from open play is inferior to that of Barnard,Guly and Lallana. We could just experiment with say Barnard and Guly and the full arsenal behind them to see what happens,but not just after 80 minutes or so,from the start.
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 No but seriously I do not understand exactly why Lambert is on the field, week in week out when his scoring record from open play is inferior to that of Barnard,Guly and Lallana. We could just experiment with say Barnard and Guly and the full arsenal behind them to see what happens,but not just after 80 minutes or so,from the start. Not sure that Arsene would let us borrow his whole team, but I agree that as plans go it's a good one, we'd win the league with a few games to spare!!
Doctoroncall Posted 25 February, 2011 Posted 25 February, 2011 No but seriously I do not understand exactly why Lambert is on the field, week in week out when his scoring record from open play is inferior to that of Barnard,Guly and Lallana. We could just experiment with say Barnard and Guly and the full arsenal behind them to see what happens,but not just after 80 minutes or so,from the start. It would be interesting, although I think there are a couple of points to consider: 1) We are playing catch up and it maybe the case of we cannot afford to experiment in case it goes wrong. Which begs the question are the players/coaching staff good enough to adopt to a new strategy to cope with an injured player? 2) Currently we switch between a diamond and a flat(ish) midfield, try and pass the ball and press the opposition when we don't have the ball. This has worked fairly well, we've kept pace with Brighton since Adkins came in and perhaps if we hadn't had games postponed and were up the table with points on the board rather than games in hand. What is frustrating is the fact the players don't perform as well as they can (Oldham A, Tranmere H) consistenly and should be picking up a few more points (no I'm not talking about winning every game).
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