The Moderate EDL under attack from the Far Right

[Deppo]

I assume from these comments that you are a member of the ethnic community and you have my sympathy for the effects Millitant Islam have had on you and those close to you. Therefore i'm bewildered why you'd be against the EDL who are standing up against these people.

 

Is thia true? Is Verbal an ethnic? I hope Boj and Eddie are going to do something about this. We don't need his sort here. I am more than happy to organise a lynching, with the help of Dune and his moderate friends.

[solentstars]

Is thia true? Is Verbal an ethnic? I hope Boj and Eddie are going to do something about this. We don't need his sort here. I am more than happy to organise a lynching, with the help of Dune and his moderate friends.

 

i expect dune has got his kkk white hood and moderate edl bnp facist friends to lynch poor verbal to show he cares about non white people:lol:

[Sheaf Saint]

I hate to come over all Paxman-esque on you dune, but this is now the fourth time of asking...

 

If, as you claim, the EDL is a non-racist, non-violent organisation whose goal is to educate the public about the dangers of islamic extremism, what initiatives do they have running, other than marches which unfailingly result in violent clashes, to get across this education?

[dune]

I hate to come over all Paxman-esque on you dune, but this is now the fourth time of asking...

 

If, as you claim, the EDL is a non-racist, non-violent organisation whose goal is to educate the public about the dangers of islamic extremism, what initiatives do they have running, other than marches which unfailingly result in violent clashes, to get across this education?

 

The EDL are a focus group that are about taking the PC taboo out of protesting against millitant Islam. It's up to politcicians and the muslim community to deal with millitant Islam. Unfortunately they are failing so it requires groups like the EDL to keep the issue on the agenda.

[Sheaf Saint]

The EDL are a focus group that are about taking the PC taboo out of protesting against millitant Islam. It's up to politcicians and the muslim community to deal with millitant Islam.

 

Once again you have completely failed to address the main point of my question. You're really good at this dune, perhaps you should run for parliament.

 

Section 3 of the EDL mission statement that you posted in post #11 states that their main concern is to educate the public about the dangers of radical Islam. All I want to know is how they intend to go about spreading this education. Their mission statement does not go into any details about it, but surely someone who has as much support for them as you do can answer that? Surely?

[hypochondriac]

I think the edl could potentially make an important point it is a shame though that they inevitably attract the wrong type of people and will thus be associated with violent and racist types. I don't know why people get so angry though, there are idiots on both sides of the issue but I definitely think that the Muslim religion is an evil one if you actually read the qaran and it's teachings.

[dune]

Once again you have completely failed to address the main point of my question. You're really good at this dune, perhaps you should run for parliament.

 

Section 3 of the EDL mission statement that you posted in post #11 states that their main concern is to educate the public about the dangers of radical Islam. All I want to know is how they intend to go about spreading this education. Their mission statement does not go into any details about it, but surely someone who has as much support for them as you do can answer that? Surely?

 

They give speeches at their demo's about the dangers of millitant Islam, but if you'd prefer you can find literature on their website.

[Deppo]

I think the edl could potentially make an important point it is a shame though that they inevitably attract the wrong type of people and will thus be associated with violent and racist types. I don't know why people get so angry though, there are idiots on both sides of the issue but I definitely think that the Muslim religion is an evil one if you actually read the qaran and it's teachings.

 

 

Like you have?!?

[Sheaf Saint]

They give speeches at their demo's about the dangers of millitant Islam, but if you'd prefer you can find literature on their website.

 

Sorry, I would have thought that someone who obviously believes very strongly in their cause would have that knowledge memorised really.

 

Or perhaps they just don't have any other initiatives at all other than violent marches, which might give you some idea why the vast majority of people who are against the position of Islamic extremism choose not to get involved.

[Deppo]

Right then lads, I have just been out to the garden and knocked up a big cross. I've got some petrol cannisters, but they're empty. Can someone supply enough to fill a few cans? I know petrol is a bit expensive at the moment, but some things are worth the price. We just need to decide what date and time to meet and who gets the honour of burning the ethnic.

[Deppo]

Sorry, I would have thought that someone who obviously believes very strongly in their cause would have that knowledge memorised really.

 

Or perhaps they just don't have any other initiatives at all other than violent marches, which might give you some idea why the vast majority of people who are against the position of Islamic extremism choose not to get involved.

 

 

Look, Bexy - you're either with us or against us. It's clear to me that you're against us, so that's fine. We don't live in an Islamic state, so you are entitled to your opinion and the freedoms that Churchill won for us. But stop hassling Dune. You're making yourself look silly. Besides which, me and Dune have a lynching to finish organising.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I think the edl could potentially make an important point it is a shame though that they inevitably attract the wrong type of people and will thus be associated with violent and racist types. I don't know why people get so angry though, there are idiots on both sides of the issue but I definitely think that the Muslim religion is an evil one if you actually read the qaran and it's teachings.

 

I sat next to a Muslim convert on the way back from India once and he explained the workings of the Koran. Muslims believe in the same God as Christians and believe that Jesus existed but was just a prophet. From what I gathered they believe that the new Testament was penned a long time after the event and have been amended to suit other people. I may be wrong but he did not have a long beard and a bomb and spoke a lot of sense. It is all in the interpretation; there are some quite radical Christians who have interpreted the bible differently to the mainstream. It is easy to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us.

[hypochondriac]

I sat next to a Muslim convert on the way back from India once and he explained the workings of the Koran. Muslims believe in the same God as Christians and believe that Jesus existed but was just a prophet. From what I gathered they believe that the new Testament was penned a long time after the event and have been amended to suit other people. I may be wrong but he did not have a long beard and a bomb and spoke a lot of sense. It is all in the interpretation; there are some quite radical Christians who have interpreted the bible differently to the mainstream. It is easy to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us.

 

But if you actually read what it says. The majority of the teachings within the bible teach love and respect for others whilst a lot of the passages within the Koran preach death and destruction to the infidel. Just saying I can see why people are worried.

[Joensuu]

I think the edl could potentially make an important point it is a shame though that they inevitably attract the wrong type of people and will thus be associated with violent and racist types. I don't know why people get so angry though, there are idiots on both sides of

the issue

Agree with you, the EDL mission statement certainly could be the basis of a sensible anti-religious extremism lobby group. Doubt many EDL members would sign up to their own mission statement.

 

but I definitely think that the Muslim religion is an evil one if you actually read the qaran and it's teachings.

Hang on, here you were making a sensible point, only to make yourself look silly. Have you ever read the Old Testiment? Islam is no worse than Christianity.

[solentstars]

Look, Bexy - you're either with us or against us. It's clear to me that you're against us, so that's fine. We don't live in an Islamic state, so you are entitled to your opinion and the freedoms that Churchill won for us. But stop hassling Dune. You're making yourself look silly. Besides which, me and Dune have a lynching to finish organising.

 

i think dune will be a little late has he has got to practise his goose stepping and Sieg Heil salutes:p hes not really a racists he just hates coloured people jews women ,unions, working people socialists.left wing and right wing torys:p

[Thedelldays]

who cares...freedom of speech

[Sheaf Saint]

But if you actually read what it says. The majority of the teachings within the bible teach love and respect for others whilst a lot of the passages within the Koran preach death and destruction to the infidel. Just saying I can see why people are worried.

 

There is an awful lot of stuff in the Old Testament that makes it clear that things such as oppression, slavery, even murdering your own parents if they don't believe in the cause, are all perfectly OK and are God's will. Ancient religious texts can be interpreted in so many different ways, especially if you don't take the stories literally and believe they are only metaphors.

 

It's interesting what SG's friend said about the New Testament being written many years after the events and being altered to suit the agenda of those in power, but the Koran is no different. It is supposed to be the literal and unalterable word of God, yet it was 'revealed' to an illiterate paedophile who had no means of writing down his revelation.

[hypochondriac]

Agree with you, the EDL mission statement certainly could be the basis of a sensible anti-religious extremism lobby group. Doubt many EDL members would sign up to their own mission statement.

 

Hang on, here you were making a sensible point, only to make yourself look silly. Have you ever read the Old Testiment? Islam is no worse than Christianity.

 

Fair enough if you believe that but then the point still stands that the Muslim faith should be combated due to what it teaches (and the edl guy was right on newsnight, these suicide bombers are all originating from Islam and something should be done to tackle the culture).

[dune]

Sorry, I would have thought that someone who obviously believes very strongly in their cause would have that knowledge memorised really.

 

Or perhaps they just don't have any other initiatives at all other than violent marches, which might give you some idea why the vast majority of people who are against the position of Islamic extremism choose not to get involved.

 

Which is where the UKIP comes into play.

 

 

[hypochondriac]

There is an awful lot of stuff in the Old Testament that makes it clear that things such as oppression, slavery, even murdering your own parents if they don't believe in the cause, are all perfectly OK and are God's will. Ancient religious texts can be interpreted in so many different ways, especially if you don't take the stories literally and believe they are only metaphors.

 

It's interesting what SG's friend said about the New Testament being written many years after the events and being altered to suit the agenda of those in power, but the Koran is no different. It is supposed to be the literal and unalterable word of God, yet it was 'revealed' to an illiterate paedophile who had no means of writing down his revelation.

 

Fair enough if that is what you believe but it still means Islamic teachings are not about acceptance, love thy neighbour etc

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

But if you actually read what it says. The majority of the teachings within the bible teach love and respect for others whilst a lot of the passages within the Koran preach death and destruction to the infidel. Just saying I can see why people are worried.

 

I am not a scholar but as far as I understood much of the old testament is in the Koran. They teach respect and love just like the bible. It is just a stricter version of Christianity.

[Sheaf Saint]

So are you suggesting that the EDL don't need to provide this education as UKIP do it for them dune?

 

Does that not prove, then, that the EDL's sole purpose is simply to organise these inflammatory marches?

[hypochondriac]

I am not a scholar but as far as I understood much of the old testament is in the Koran. They teach respect and love just like the bible. It is just a stricter version of Christianity.

 

You really should read some of the quotes from the Koran. I did and was shocked.

[Deppo]

Fair enough if you believe that but then the point still stands that the Muslim faith should be combated due to what it teaches (and the edl guy was right on newsnight, these suicide bombers are all originating from Islam and something should be done to tackle the culture).

 

Wow. You're an even bigger tw*t than I originally thought. And that's some going.

[Deppo]

You really should read some of the quotes from the Koran. I did and was shocked.

 

Were these quotes provided for you on the EDL website or did you actually read the Qu'ran? In fact, I think we all know which is the most likely so there's no need to reply.

[hypochondriac]

Fair enough about comparing it to Christianity. It was hastily put and I realise you could argue that either way so ignore that for now lol. I don't believe it is a coincidence that these extremists and all seem to be Muslims though.

[Deppo]

Actually, I take it back Hypo. I too have just read the Qu'ran and was shocked at some of the quotes:

 

And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honor. And never forget that Hypochondriac is a c*nt.

[Sheaf Saint]

Fair enough if you believe that but then the point still stands that the Muslim faith should be combated due to what it teaches (and the edl guy was right on newsnight, these suicide bombers are all originating from Islam and something should be done to tackle the culture).

 

But it is not mainstream Islam (the Sunni and Shia sects) that produce the extremists. The form of extremism that is preached in the madrassas of Pakistan and Afghanistan stems from the Saudi-originated Wahabi sect. Fair enough, you might be able to interpret the Koran in particular ways, as they have, to twist it to fit this extremist view, but the truth is that the huge majority of muslims don't interpret it this way.

 

I can't believe I am actually defending a religion here, because my personal belief is that all theistic religions are a load of old superstitious nonsense that were dreamed up as a way of explaining the unexplainable and perpetuated as a form of population control by those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. But there is a widespread belief that Islam is inherently evil, whereas in fact it is no more evil or oppressive that Christianity or Judaism.

[Deppo]

Here's another one. Outrageous stuff

 

And walk not on the earth with conceit and arrogance. Verily, you can neither rend nor penetrate the earth, nor can you attain the stature like the mountains in height. In fact, if you're Hypochondriac you'll struggle attain the stature of a turd.

[dune]

So are you suggesting that the EDL don't need to provide this education as UKIP do it for them dune?

 

Does that not prove, then, that the EDL's sole purpose is simply to organise these inflammatory marches?

 

The EDL's purpose, and they are suceeding, is in staging demo's and destigmatising the politically correct taboo that surrounds addressing the issues. 15,000 people are expected to join the EDL demo in Luton on Saturday. This is something that we should all be very proud about because it shows that people are fed up and are saying enough is enough. It is through such actions that the issue is given exposure and the more exposure it get's the more people will join the cause until we reach the point where Millitant Islam is defeated in our country.

[Deppo]

I can see why you're against these terrorists Hypo. I wouldn't be happy if I were you either. Maybe you should join me and Dune? have you got any petrol?

 

If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences, especially if you're a proper idiot like Hypochondriac

[Deppo]

The EDL's purpose, and they are suceeding, is in staging demo's and destigmatising the politically correct taboo that surrounds addressing the issues. 15,000 people are expected to join the EDL demo in Luton on Saturday. This is something that we should all be very proud about because it shows that people are fed up and are saying enough is enough. It is through such actions that the issue is given exposure and the more exposure it get's the more people will join the cause until we reach the point where Millitant Islam is defeated in our country.

 

Alright mate! The shell round the corner from me is currently selling petrol at 127.9/litre. Do you know anywhere cheaper? If so, drop me a PM and let me know when you're going to get it (see if you can get some rope while you're at it - is that the sort of stuff they sell at garages? You're not allowed to tow by rope anymore are you? Anyway, just ask about mate, but be discreet. I know I can rely on you!)

[dune]

Here's another one. Outrageous stuff

 

And walk not on the earth with conceit and arrogance. Verily, you can neither rend nor penetrate the earth, nor can you attain the stature like the mountains in height. In fact, if you're Hypochondriac you'll struggle attain the stature of a turd.

 

Here's another one.

 

In relation to Muslim men being given divine authority to “beat” their wives if they are “disobiedient”.....

 

4:34الرجالقوامونعلىالنساءبمافضلاللهبعضهمعلىبعضوبماانفقوامناموالهمفالصالحاتقانتاتحافظاتللغيببماحفظاللهواللاتيتخافوننشوزهنفعظوهنواهجروهنفيالمضاجعواضربوهنفاناطعنكمفلاتبغواعليهنسبيلااناللهكانعلياكبيرا

 

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). Surah 4 verse 34

[Deppo]

Exactly mate! And I tell you what, if Verbal is one of them I say we pay him a visit before he can beat any women.

[Toadhall Saint]

So its militant Islam is it? How do you know which muslim is militant and which muslim is not? It doesn't appear to me that the EDL get into any kind of dialogue with any muslims well apart from demonstrating outside of Mosques.

[Saintandy666]

Here's another one.

 

In relation to Muslim men being given divine authority to “beat” their wives if they are “disobiedient”.....

 

4:34الرجالقوامونعلىالنساءبمافضلاللهبعضهمعلىبعضوبماانفقوامناموالهمفالصالحاتقانتاتحافظاتللغيببماحفظاللهواللاتيتخافوننشوزهنفعظوهنواهجروهنفيالمضاجعواضربوهنفاناطعنكمفلاتبغواعليهنسبيلااناللهكانعلياكبيرا

 

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). Surah 4 verse 34

 

Most religious texts have ridiculous things written in them.

[pap]

Questions for Dune, what is the EDL's end-game?

 

They say it's to educate people on the dangers of militant Islam. What then? What do they expect the populace and politicians to do when they are educated about militant Islam?

 

What would you do about militant Islam?

Edited 2 February, 2011 by pap

[solentstars]

Here's another one.

 

In relation to Muslim men being given divine authority to “beat” their wives if they are “disobiedient”.....

 

4:34الرجالقوامونعلىالنساءبمافضلاللهبعضهمعلىبعضوبماانفقوامناموالهمفالصالحاتقانتاتحافظاتللغيببماحفظاللهواللاتيتخافوننشوزهنفعظوهنواهجروهنفيالمضاجعواضربوهنفاناطعنكمفلاتبغواعليهنسبيلااناللهكانعلياكبيرا

 

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). Surah 4 verse 34

 

you got back quick from that lynching whens the next one oh sad one

[Sheaf Saint]

The EDL's purpose, and they are suceeding, is in staging demo's and destigmatising the politically correct taboo that surrounds addressing the issues. 15,000 people are expected to join the EDL demo in Luton on Saturday. This is something that we should all be very proud about because it shows that people are fed up and are saying enough is enough. It is through such actions that the issue is given exposure and the more exposure it get's the more people will join the cause until we reach the point where Millitant Islam is defeated in our country.

 

Fed up with what?

[dune]

Fed up with what?

 

 

 

 

etc.

[Sheaf Saint]

 

 

 

etc.

 

And how exactly is 15,000 anonymous thugs wearing hoods and balaclavas marching through a town with a huge muslim population going to stop it dune? What possible good will it do? How many of the militants in those pictures are going to turn their backs on their beliefs as a result of the EDL's actions?

[dune]

Questions for Dune, what is the EDL's end-game?

 

They say it's to educate people on the dangers of militant Islam. What then? What do they expect the populace and politicians to do when they are educated about militant Islam?

 

What would you do about militant Islam?

 

I'd outlaw sharia courts, i'd ban the burkha, and i'd lock up or deport those who abuse our soldiers and our values.

[dune]

And how exactly is 15,000 anonymous thugs wearing hoods and balaclavas marching through a town with a huge muslim population going to stop it dune? What possible good will it do? How many of the militants in those pictures are going to turn their backs on their beliefs as a result of the EDL's actions?

 

None, but this is about rallying British people to demand that the government takes action.

[Toadhall Saint]

I'd outlaw sharia courts, i'd ban the burkha, and i'd lock up or deport those who abuse our soldiers and our values.

 

Which are?

[Toadhall Saint]

None, but this is about rallying British people to demand that the government takes action.

 

So its the BDL now is it?

[dune]

Which are?

 

Western Christian values.

[Toadhall Saint]

Western Christian values.

 

Is that protestant or catholic?

[Sheaf Saint]

None, but this is about rallying British people to demand that the government takes action.

 

Erm, in case you hadn't noticed dune, our government has been 'taking action' against radical Islam ever since we invaded Afghanistan nearly a decade ago. And the consequence of that action is that we now have a lot more radicals on our streets than we did before the invasion, because the war/occupation/oppression (whatever you want to call it) is the best possible recruitment tool that the radical clerics could wish for.

[solentstars]

And how exactly is 15,000 anonymous thugs wearing hoods and balaclavas marching through a town with a huge muslim population going to stop it dune? What possible good will it do? How many of the militants in those pictures are going to turn their backs on their beliefs as a result of the EDL's actions?

 

your wasting your time talking to the mouthpiece of fascist propaganda ,hes just a hate merchant who preaches divisiveness and to link our fantastic soldiers to his evil causes beggers belief.

[dune]

Is that protestant or catholic?

 

Both are compatible with democracy.