OldNick Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 The exeter game seems to sum up Kelvin in a single game. Excellent shot stopper of "glory shots". As a keeper i love saving the ones full length dive a couple of foot off the ground as they look hard but are the easiest, you don't need to worry about holding the ball just get strong hands to it and parry it away. Looks magnificent but every decent goalie can do it. The true test of a goalie is holding the ones you need to hold, and getting to the edge/outside of your box to clear/gather the ones you need to. Remember as a goalie you are ALWAYS covering another players mistake. Kelvin did the first thing really well at Exeter, he always has, however he spilled a very weakly struck shot that fortunately Fonte was there to clear, and the goal was 100% his fault. Thats not to say they wouldn't have scored if he had stayed in the right position, (edge of six yard box waiting for the striker to take a poor touch then charge) it was a one on one after all. By running out and missing the ball by at least 4 foot he made it an even easier task. Bart is largely an unknown quality, we have seen some flashes of brilliance and a couple of mistakes. The main flaws he has is slight misjudgment of deep crosses and his kicking. Well Kelvins distribution is poor as well, he cant even kick from hand, the first thing you learn as a goalie. What bart does have is very good technique. An analysis pf his last game will show that he a) gathered through balls at the very edge of the area due to good judgment and good starting position. b) made the saves he would be expected to c) made one excellent save from the dipping nani shot that bounced in front of him. The hardest judgment call to make, Kelvin would have blocked that shot rather than gathered it. I am not guaranteeing that Bart will be our next No 1 as we hopefully climb through the leagues, however Kelvins games is getting worse as he gets older, hes has made 3 or 4 key mistakes in the last month, as well as the ones that haven't been punished. He is definitely not going to cut it in the championship. Wouldn't it be more sensible to blood Bart and see if he will before we decide whether to go shopping for a new keeper or not?!Missed the ball by 4ft, you are having a laugh. One minute you say he should be sweeping up the next he should be staying on the 6 yard line!!!! seems that you are as indecisive as KD is supposed to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 Missed the ball by 4ft, you are having a laugh. One minute you say he should be sweeping up the next he should be staying on the 6 yard line!!!! seems that you are as indecisive as KD is supposed to be Just watched the highlights on t' BBC and it seems that Kelvins problem is that he was trying to head the ball clear. Something that he would have done comfortable had the ball not had a wicked amount of backspin on it that stopped it bouncing as he would have expected it too. As you say, 4ft, you're having a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Banana Factor Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 I forget that some people will have never played in goal. You sweep up when you can get to the ball, you go back to your six yard line and wait for the poor touch when you cant. Any of you ever watched a good goalkeeper? The backspin is no excuse, thats his job, to judge these things! Its stuck in the mud, Nige was talking about the fact the pitch wasnt bouncing before the game so he should have known! And he did miss it by a very long way, i dont think i need to get my ruler out, that fact is he missed it. There is a general rule of goalkeeping mistakes " did he look like a ****" yes he did! Therefore its a mistake! I also dont think bart is so much of an unkown quality that he would "derail" our promotion bit thats a bit sensationalist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 Just because your 2nd touch is always a tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 I forget that some people will have never played in goal. You sweep up when you can get to the ball, you go back to your six yard line and wait for the poor touch when you cant. Any of you ever watched a good goalkeeper? The backspin is no excuse, thats his job, to judge these things! Its stuck in the mud, Nige was talking about the fact the pitch wasnt bouncing before the game so he should have known! And he did miss it by a very long way, i dont think i need to get my ruler out, that fact is he missed it. There is a general rule of goalkeeping mistakes " did he look like a ****" yes he did! Therefore its a mistake! I also dont think bart is so much of an unkown quality that he would "derail" our promotion bit thats a bit sensationalist! I played in goal between the ages of 8 and 35 (I was a lazy git & didn't want to run around ), and I've never heard of this general rule to which you are alluding. I've looked a ***t many times, not always my fault though. I can recall several times a striker mis-hitting a shot & it going past me, because I was expecting a clean contact, or a defender flinging out a foot, thus deflecting the ball in the other direction to which I was going. That's not the keepers mistake is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 What I love is the way that as fans, many bemoan the lack of loyalty from players to the club and team in modern football, and yet the second a player has a slightly dodgy run there are people screaming for him to be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 I forget that some people will have never played in goal. You sweep up when you can get to the ball, you go back to your six yard line and wait for the poor touch when you cant. Any of you ever watched a good goalkeeper? The backspin is no excuse, thats his job, to judge these things! Its stuck in the mud, Nige was talking about the fact the pitch wasnt bouncing before the game so he should have known! And he did miss it by a very long way, i dont think i need to get my ruler out, that fact is he missed it. There is a general rule of goalkeeping mistakes " did he look like a ****" yes he did! Therefore its a mistake! I also dont think bart is so much of an unkown quality that he would "derail" our promotion bit thats a bit sensationalist! Oh do get over yourself, "I've played in goal, you haven't, therefore you have no idea" So Super Kelvin Davis is exactly that is he? He can instantly judge where a ball is going to bounce, sample the ground to determine how solid or not the patch is, add into that coriolis effect and spin on the ball, plus ball pressure (effected by change in temperature too) and then work out how the ball is going to bounce! If the pitch was uniformly unbouncy then I would go with your comment but it wasn't so you're, quite frankly, talking out of your posterior! And I didn't say Bart *would* derail our promotion campaign, I said you run the chance of derailing it with a (largely) unknown quantity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 To be honest you could argue this until the cows come home.I happen to think they would both be as equally good.....or bad as each other, the one thing to me that does stand out (apart from my beer gut) is the need for Nigel Adkins to search for another keeper to start next season....hopefully in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 I forget that some people will have never played in goal. You sweep up when you can get to the ball, you go back to your six yard line and wait for the poor touch when you cant. Any of you ever watched a good goalkeeper? The backspin is no excuse, thats his job, to judge these things! Its stuck in the mud, Nige was talking about the fact the pitch wasnt bouncing before the game so he should have known! And he did miss it by a very long way, i dont think i need to get my ruler out, that fact is he missed it. There is a general rule of goalkeeping mistakes " did he look like a ****" yes he did! Therefore its a mistake! I also dont think bart is so much of an unkown quality that he would "derail" our promotion bit thats a bit sensationalist! you forget i have seen you play in goal in the forum match.......I don't think the DVD shows a faultless display, although i will admit you did make a difference, and I do recall when you charged out of goal and nearly was beheaded by Griffo's high boot, you used your head on that occasion. If you really analyis that particular goal there are many players at fault. The midfield for not closing the passer down and also 1 of them following the run, Davis for not getting to the ball first, I will not point the finger at the defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 I'm not criticising Bart, I'm merely pointing out some of his weaknesses to illustrate that he is not the god-like entity that some believe, in fact if you read my other posts you will see that I think he will do ok for us when his time comes, but he is not ready yet. I don't doubt that when he is our No.1, there will be numerous threads on this board calling for the reserve keeper at that time to be promoted to the first team. For your information I won't be one of them, as I choose to support the players in my team. FWIW if you use a certain amount of imagination, you probably could make it up. Yes I understand now, you point out Barts weaknesses and others criticise Kelvin's weaknesses, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 Even Premier league goalkeepers make mistakes let alone League 1 keepers. Kelvins had a bit of a bad run since winning us that point against Brighton (how soon forgotten), and I agree the situation has to be watched but I would stick with the experienced man at this crucial stage if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 Still don't get the Kelvin Davis love-in!!! To me he has had many more bad periods, than good ones in his Saints' career and ranks as one of the worst (regular first-teamers) we've had in the 40 odd years I've been following the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 Still don't get the Kelvin Davis love-in!!! To me he has had many more bad periods, than good ones in his Saints' career and ranks as one of the worst (regular first-teamers) we've had in the 40 odd years I've been following the club. I missed that the first time around and came over in a cold sweat thinking about Katalinic, Granger, Kite, Nixon, Andrews etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 Missed the ball by 4ft, you are having a laugh. One minute you say he should be sweeping up the next he should be staying on the 6 yard line!!!! seems that you are as indecisive as KD is supposed to be Sweeping up in no mans land like that is his problem and has been so many times in his career - bad decision making in exactly that type of situation. That is true and we don't often give Bart a chance so we don't know whether he would be an improvement - my hunch is he would be better - lets play him and find out because one thing that is for sure, most agree there isn't a lot between them so there little to loose and possible quite a bit to gain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 February, 2011 Share Posted 5 February, 2011 Sweeping up in no mans land like that is his problem and has been so many times in his career - bad decision making in exactly that type of situation. That is true and we don't often give Bart a chance so we don't know whether he would be an improvement - my hunch is he would be better - lets play him and find out because one thing that is for sure, most agree there isn't a lot between them so there little to loose and possible quite a bit to gain..IMO it is high risk. You demoralize KD who IMo has done little wrong and IF Bart does have a mare then you have lost out. I like Bart but I still recall his performance at Exeter a couple of seasons back and only those who saw it would be able to understand my concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 February, 2011 Share Posted 5 February, 2011 My opinion is that Kelvin is a far better keeper than Bart. His starting position is normally excellant and he's a good shot stopper as well as a loyal and hardworking member of the side. I think Bart is a bit flat footed and his kicking is poor. To me there is no contest between the two, Kelvin every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valesaint Posted 5 February, 2011 Share Posted 5 February, 2011 Who is doubting Kelvin now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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