Dimond Geezer Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 I wonder how much critisism KD would have attracted if it was he who was out of position, & let the cross from Owen go over his head & hit the post? I'm sure there would have been a few piling up the rocks ready to throw in his direction.
Saint_clark Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 I wonder how much critisism KD would have attracted if it was he who was out of position, & let the cross from Owen go over his head & hit the post? I'm sure there would have been a few piling up the rocks ready to throw in his direction. You think that a keeper should not be stood at the near post when the ball is out wide?
Dimond Geezer Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 No. He should be pace or so back from it. When the player gets closer, like into the penalty box, that's when he covers near post.
beatlesaint Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 Kelvin is a great shot stopper. Its crosses and failing to command the area that worry me. Oh and the fact he takes about 10 minutes to distribute the ball, even when we are losing.
Charlie Wayman Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 Let's be honest, a goalie rarely makes a difference if the defence is working well and ours is reasonably solid this year. Most goals conceded recently have been goalie cock-ups so why not give Bart a run he can do no worse that let one or two in but whats new about that?
saint-ross Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 The fact who threw a lot out is not the point. Just to remind you: his kicking his poor. And there was plenty of it yesterday. Just to remind you, you stated his "kicking AND distribution is poor" so the fact he threw it alot is very much the point! Why cling on to the ball for 30 seconds when you can start a quick break to put your opposition under pressure. This is something we havnt seen enough of lately. Again, i'll admit Bart's kicking has been suspect, but when you are given 1 game every half a season you're hardly going to be your most composed, especially against a team like utd.
aintforever Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 There were a few dodgy kicks yesterday but I've always thought Bart's distribution was better than Kelvin's, especially his throws.
The9 Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 Dropped. You never rest a keeper. Let's face it Kelvin lost the game at Tranmere. Like Manchester United dropped Van der Sar ?
The9 Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 You think that a keeper should not be stood at the near post when the ball is out wide? If he's expecting a cross a keeper should be half way towards the near post from the centre of the goal, where he can step forward to the near post or get across to the far if the ball goes there. He should also be a yard or two off his line in case he needs to come and collect the cross. If he's stood at the near post and the cross goes far he has to make 8 yards to the far post quicker than the ball does. FWIW on this discussion I think Bart's more agile, quicker and a better thrower better on crosses, has a longer kick and has a better presence, Kelvin's a more accurate and less error prone kicker, a better shot stopper and organises the defence better - he's also more cautious with his distribution, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. And I think even Bart would think he'd expect to stop a shot from close range from a player who was practically laid on the ground and couldn't possibly lift the ball over him.
SFC Forever Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 Yesterday I thought the defence looked far more comfortable with Bart behind them. Bart so nearly saved the second and how he can be blamed for it I fail to understand. He couldn't commit himself until the airkick which should have cleared the ball before Hernandez got to it. If Bart had moved earlie and the missed attempt to clear had knocked it goalwards I suppose that would have been his fault as well for going to early.
OldNick Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 (edited) Lol at Derrys post. Go back and read match reports a see how many crucial saves KD has made. FWIW I thought Bart did OK and will not criticise if he keeps his place. Derrys attack is very poor and strikes me as though there is a personal issue nothing to do with his performances Edited 30 January, 2011 by OldNick
The9 Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Yesterday I thought the defence looked far more comfortable with Bart behind them. Bart so nearly saved the second and how he can be blamed for it I fail to understand. He couldn't commit himself until the airkick which should have cleared the ball before Hernandez got to it. If Bart had moved earlie and the missed attempt to clear had knocked it goalwards I suppose that would have been his fault as well for going to early. All he had to do was lie down and block/smother the blatantly obvious ground shot towards the far corner that was the only possible thing Hernandez could do, having fallen over. I still don't know now how the ball got under him, off his knee and into the corner.
thesaint sfc Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Just to clear this up, Davis is better. Glad that's settled then.
Saint Malc Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 I was at Sheff Weds where Kelvin single-handedly won us 2 points with his last minute super-save. I was at Tranmere where Davis's two errors cost us 3 points (or 1 point as we never scored anyway). A bit of a conundrum really.
thesaint sfc Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 I was there when Davis made his biggest f*ck up ever against QPR. I'd still play him ahead of bart doe.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Exactly right, not to mention that the second goal was an indirect result of a poor decision by Bart. He is a decent player but there's no way he's better than KD, no way at all. Also agree with those praising Butterfied. I've said all along that his ball play is much better than Richardson's and his delivery into the box is superb. He got skinned by Nani once but Nani has been one of the best players in the Premier League this year. Not sure about that. RD didn't look before playing a weak pass inside, and he wasn't under any pressure either.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 If he's expecting a cross a keeper should be half way towards the near post from the centre of the goal, where he can step forward to the near post or get across to the far if the ball goes there. He should also be a yard or two off his line in case he needs to come and collect the cross. If he's stood at the near post and the cross goes far he has to make 8 yards to the far post quicker than the ball does. FWIW on this discussion I think Bart's more agile, quicker and a better thrower better on crosses, has a longer kick and has a better presence, Kelvin's a more accurate and less error prone kicker, a better shot stopper and organises the defence better - he's also more cautious with his distribution, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. And I think even Bart would think he'd expect to stop a shot from close range from a player who was practically laid on the ground and couldn't possibly lift the ball over him. Nice bit of hindsight.
MerceSaint28 Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Bart deserves a run. Kelvin is very inconsistent, can be brilliant, can be poor. Either way Bart has waited in the wings long enough and deserves 5 games to show what he can do
The9 Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Nice bit of hindsight. Not at all, Hernandez was all but laid out, from the angle he was at the best he was going to manage was to poke the ball forwards towards the goal in a very predictable direction, and he definitely didn't have the torque to get the ball off the ground as his leg was already extended. The shape of his leg made that obvious - Bart just didn't have long to work that out, hence the ball going under him.
Viking Warrior Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Im a Davies fan and do not disagree with alot that Derry posts If I did disagree it would make me a fember of the KD fan club I think he is a good keeper and occassional has a mare of a game saints1surrey do you not recall he chose to stay at saints
There when Franny scored Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 Surely it's now time for Bart. Davis seems to be making a key mistake almost every time he plays. Just spilled another one which Exeter almost scored from
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 Something's wrong with his head at the mo. For a while he was making mistakes but saving us more than he was costing us - now it's the other way around. Bart in for Posh please Nigel.
up and away Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 Im a Davies fan and do not disagree with alot that Derry posts If I did disagree it would make me a fember of the KD fan club I think he is a good keeper and occassional has a mare of a game saints1surrey do you not recall he chose to stay at saints The reason I have never rated Kelvin is because his command at the back is so poor. You only have to go back to when Pearson was manager and we had Wright in goal, I don't think there was a Saints fan who wanted Kelvin in place of Wright. And as was stated at the time, Wright was not that great a goalie either, but one thing he did was to command the box. It's up to Adkins whether he plays Bart or Kelvin, I am not going to argue with his experience in ths area, but Kelvin will be a liability in the Championship.
CanadaSaint Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 I'm not at all convinced by either Kelvin (too many errors, age catching up) or Bart (fragile psyche, questionable judgment), but I just don't get this argument about commanding the box. Very, very few keepers command the box the way they were expected to some years ago - largely, in my view, because the ball is much livelier these days. Out of interest, could someone making that argument provide some examples of modern keepers who really do command their box on a consistent basis.
beatlesaint Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 When Kelvin goes through a dodgy spell boy is he scary. When Kelvin is on top form there is no keeper better in this division. Unfortunately the dodgy Kelvin is back in town. I suggest he gets rid of the SKD shorts for a while !!!!
S-Clarke Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 I think we need to stick with him through this patch - the last thing he needs is the crowd getting jittery and on his back, he's built up a great relationship with us and I'd hate to see that thrown away. He stuck with us when he could have easily walked away.
OldNick Posted 1 February, 2011 Posted 1 February, 2011 KD save stopped us going 2 down. Until I have seen the Exeter goal I will reserve judgement if it was a mistake
Iowsaintsfan Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 I did notice while he was warming up last night that he had a large amount of dressing on his shin so maybe he got an injury and thats why he didnt play against United?
derry Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Bill, my problem with Davis is that he consistently gives goals away by bad decisions or even no decision at all. Goalkeepers will always fail to stop goals going in but he is regularly gifting goals at critical times such as his last two games where all three goals conceded can be attributed to his decisions. I have seen many goalkeepers at SMS in the last four years that except for shotstopping are much better keepers than Davis. Shotstopping is something that most keepers do well, but most do all the other things that goalkeepers should be doing. When appropriate catching crosses, communicating unequivocably, short distribution, by positioning not allowing ball after ball to be delivered into the six yd box often under the crossbar because they take charge and catch or punch not leaving the defence to try and clear facing their own goal. As club captain I know he has great influence in the dressing room, but we need a proper goalkeeper on the pitch, the odd blinding save isn't enough if vital goals are being gifted to the opposition.
Huffton Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 The problem we now have as I see it, is KD is beginiing to have a dip in form. This wouldn't be a problem if we had a decent experienced No2 to come in for him. Unfortunately we don't. Bart may well become a top keeper but he needs time, to settle and to build on his clearly fragile confidence, and that is something the club cannot afford to do at this stage of the season. So do we stick with KD, let his experience tell and hopefully let him re-find his form, or drop him, in doing so probably drop his confidence another level, and bring in Bart on a bit of a gamble. If it pays off all well and good, if not we have to re-drop him and bring back KD, who will still be gutted from being dropped first time round, by which time we will probably be hanging on to a play off spot by our fingertips, not when we need a keeper feeling a bit sorry for himself! KD does have the odd clanger in him, that we know, show me a keeper in league 1 who doesn't, but he also has experience, and during his time with us has saved us many many more points than he's cost us, so for me dropping him now would be suicidal.
Dr Who? Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 made a great save last night at 1-0 that kept us in the game that gave us the chance to gain the 3 points needed. Stick by him he is a great keeper for the level we are at and we will find it hard to get any better thats for sure.
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 The problem we now have as I see it, is KD is beginiing to have a dip in form. This wouldn't be a problem if we had a decent experienced No2 to come in for him. Unfortunately we don't. Bart may well become a top keeper but he needs time, to settle and to build on his clearly fragile confidence, and that is something the club cannot afford to do at this stage of the season. So do we stick with KD, let his experience tell and hopefully let him re-find his form, or drop him, in doing so probably drop his confidence another level, and bring in Bart on a bit of a gamble. If it pays off all well and good, if not we have to re-drop him and bring back KD, who will still be gutted from being dropped first time round, by which time we will probably be hanging on to a play off spot by our fingertips, not when we need a keeper feeling a bit sorry for himself! KD does have the odd clanger in him, that we know, show me a keeper in league 1 who doesn't, but he also has experience, and during his time with us has saved us many many more points than he's cost us, so for me dropping him now would be suicidal. Funny how Bart had a run of 8 games last season where we won 6 of those games, didn't seem to be a gamble then.
Papa Shango Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 The problem we now have as I see it, is KD is beginiing to have a dip in form. This wouldn't be a problem if we had a decent experienced No2 to come in for him. Unfortunately we don't. Bart may well become a top keeper but he needs time, to settle and to build on his clearly fragile confidence, and that is something the club cannot afford to do at this stage of the season. So do we stick with KD, let his experience tell and hopefully let him re-find his form, or drop him, in doing so probably drop his confidence another level, and bring in Bart on a bit of a gamble. If it pays off all well and good, if not we have to re-drop him and bring back KD, who will still be gutted from being dropped first time round, by which time we will probably be hanging on to a play off spot by our fingertips, not when we need a keeper feeling a bit sorry for himself! KD does have the odd clanger in him, that we know, show me a keeper in league 1 who doesn't, but he also has experience, and during his time with us has saved us many many more points than he's cost us, so for me dropping him now would be suicidal. Agreed.
Dimond Geezer Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Bill, my problem with Davis is that he consistently gives goals away by bad decisions or even no decision at all. Goalkeepers will always fail to stop goals going in but he is regularly gifting goals at critical times Absolute nonsense. KD hasn't consistently or regularly gifted goals. Like all players, not just goalkeepers, he has made the OCASSIONAL mistake. I would venture to suggest that during the course of a match he will make less mistakes than most outfield players. Everytime a striker misses a goal, it's a mistake, every time a defender misses a header, it's a mistake, every time a midfileder misplaces a pass, or gets caught in possession, it's a mistake. These are all things you see regularly in any match, but you don't consitently bleat on about Rickie hitting the post, Hammonds dodgy passing, or whatever. Bart is not the Messiah, he is largely unproven, equally dodgy on crosses, and kicks to touch more times than Johnny Wilkinson. As Hufton said it would be a gamble to put him in at this stage of the season. It amazes me that some posters seem to forget we are in Div 3, we have a players who are of div 3 ability (although I believe KD to be better than that), not champions league. You may wish to do a you-tube search you'll find planty of goalie cock-ups from the likes of Seamen, Bartez, Green, Hart, et al, even Shilton made some!
Ekelund24 Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Both 5 or 6/10 keepers, both make saves, both make mistakes, both are good for this league, one will need to be replaced as we move up the leagues
CanadaSaint Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Bill, my problem with Davis is that he consistently gives goals away by bad decisions or even no decision at all. Goalkeepers will always fail to stop goals going in but he is regularly gifting goals at critical times such as his last two games where all three goals conceded can be attributed to his decisions. I have seen many goalkeepers at SMS in the last four years that except for shotstopping are much better keepers than Davis. Shotstopping is something that most keepers do well, but most do all the other things that goalkeepers should be doing. When appropriate catching crosses, communicating unequivocably, short distribution, by positioning not allowing ball after ball to be delivered into the six yd box often under the crossbar because they take charge and catch or punch not leaving the defence to try and clear facing their own goal. As club captain I know he has great influence in the dressing room, but we need a proper goalkeeper on the pitch, the odd blinding save isn't enough if vital goals are being gifted to the opposition. Dave, I have reservations about Kelvin because I think he has a bit of a history of going through error prone phases, and he's in one right now. I probably have deeper reservations about Bart because I don't think he's psychologically strong enough to cope with the week-in-week-out pressure - I fear that could end up in confidence issues characterized by chains of errors rather than single errors. I don't think either of them inspires the kind of confidence that makes a defence stronger, which means that the problem goes beyond a goalkeeping issue. My choice would be to spend significant money on this because we're not just getting a better 'keeper but a better defence as well. However, I'm not expecting that better keeper to necessarily "command his box" in the way mentioned by some - going for crosses. He damned well better command it verbally but I don't expect much better than Kelvin or Bart on the cross front.
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Absolute nonsense. KD hasn't consistently or regularly gifted goals. Like all players, not just goalkeepers, he has made the OCASSIONAL mistake. I would venture to suggest that during the course of a match he will make less mistakes than most outfield players. Everytime a striker misses a goal, it's a mistake, every time a defender misses a header, it's a mistake, every time a midfileder misplaces a pass, or gets caught in possession, it's a mistake. These are all things you see regularly in any match, but you don't consitently bleat on about Rickie hitting the post, Hammonds dodgy passing, or whatever. Bart is not the Messiah, he is largely unproven, equally dodgy on crosses, and kicks to touch more times than Johnny Wilkinson. As Hufton said it would be a gamble to put him in at this stage of the season. It amazes me that some posters seem to forget we are in Div 3, we have a players who are of div 3 ability (although I believe KD to be better than that), not champions league. You may wish to do a you-tube search you'll find planty of goalie cock-ups from the likes of Seamen, Bartez, Green, Hart, et al, even Shilton made some! Please explain why it would be a gamble to put Bart in at this stage of the season. Was it a gamble when we brought him in last season for 8 games of which 6 were won?
Dimond Geezer Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Please explain why it would be a gamble to put Bart in at this stage of the season. Was it a gamble when we brought him in last season for 8 games of which 6 were won? Ok, you chose 8 games, I’d like to choose 8, starting with Yeovil away & finishing with Shrewsbury in the cup we won 6, drew 1, losing the other, Davies was in goal for all conceeding 5 goals. Bring Bart in now would be a gamble because we need a few experienced heads, Bart is largely untried, whose distribution is worse (although admittedly quicker), who misjudges crosses, and who managed to get injured, at least twice due to his misjudgement, first in the Newcastle match when he did his knee & in the Cheltenham match when he was hesitant about coming out and claiming the ball and got clattered by Fonte. I’d sooner we didn’t take the risk thanks. All imho of course.
ottery st mary Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Give Kelvin a tannoy...is that what some are saying..... Still our no.1 but with another very good keeper in Bart....good stuff.. Some of you haven'T watched Hart and Green lately.... Like others ..sometimes wonder where you are coming fron Mr derry .....Is this your new obsession....FFS support the boyzz.. Get on the bus or at least get inside the building with Big Nige and Gloves Kelvin..
benjii Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Absolute nonsense. KD hasn't consistently or regularly gifted goals. Like all players, not just goalkeepers, he has made the OCASSIONAL mistake. I would venture to suggest that during the course of a match he will make less mistakes than most outfield players. Everytime a striker misses a goal, it's a mistake, every time a defender misses a header, it's a mistake, every time a midfileder misplaces a pass, or gets caught in possession, it's a mistake. These are all things you see regularly in any match, but you don't consitently bleat on about Rickie hitting the post, Hammonds dodgy passing, or whatever. Bart is not the Messiah, he is largely unproven, equally dodgy on crosses, and kicks to touch more times than Johnny Wilkinson. As Hufton said it would be a gamble to put him in at this stage of the season. It amazes me that some posters seem to forget we are in Div 3, we have a players who are of div 3 ability (although I believe KD to be better than that), not champions league. You may wish to do a you-tube search you'll find planty of goalie cock-ups from the likes of Seamen, Bartez, Green, Hart, et al, even Shilton made some! Nutshell.
Chez Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 with Hammond out of the side and Wotton/Puncheon off we appear to be short of whipping boys. Play Bart as often as Davis and you'd see a similar number of errors. On the flip side give him more games and hopefully you'd see an improvement in his kicking (which currently is woeful) just as Davis' kicking has improved. IMO Davis has done more than enough to keep the shirt.
saintwarwick Posted 2 February, 2011 Posted 2 February, 2011 Ok, you chose 8 games, I’d like to choose 8, starting with Yeovil away & finishing with Shrewsbury in the cup we won 6, drew 1, losing the other, Davies was in goal for all conceeding 5 goals. Bring Bart in now would be a gamble because we need a few experienced heads, Bart is largely untried, whose distribution is worse (although admittedly quicker), who misjudges crosses, and who managed to get injured, at least twice due to his misjudgement, first in the Newcastle match when he did his knee & in the Cheltenham match when he was hesitant about coming out and claiming the ball and got clattered by Fonte. I’d sooner we didn’t take the risk thanks. All imho of course. I didn't choose the 8 games it was the 8 consecutive games Davis was out injured, I could also go through many games where Davis has made mistakes just like the ones you claim Bart has made.
Dimond Geezer Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 We currently have the 2nd lowest goals against in L1, only Brightons is better, but as Chez said, we're short of whipping boys atm. There must some sort of disease, like a form of tourettes, sweeping saints fans that forces to criticise, ridicule & moan about our players. I sincerely hope the players don't read this site.
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 We currently have the 2nd lowest goals against in L1, only Brightons is better, but as Chez said, we're short of whipping boys atm. There must some sort of disease, like a form of tourettes, sweeping saints fans that forces to criticise, ridicule & moan about our players. I sincerely hope the players don't read this site. But it's ok for you to criticise Bart , you couldn't make it up
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Bill, my problem with Davis is that he consistently gives goals away by bad decisions or even no decision at all. Goalkeepers will always fail to stop goals going in but he is regularly gifting goals at critical times such as his last two games where all three goals conceded can be attributed to his decisions. I have seen many goalkeepers at SMS in the last four years that except for shotstopping are much better keepers than Davis. Shotstopping is something that most keepers do well, but most do all the other things that goalkeepers should be doing. When appropriate catching crosses, communicating unequivocably, short distribution, by positioning not allowing ball after ball to be delivered into the six yd box often under the crossbar because they take charge and catch or punch not leaving the defence to try and clear facing their own goal. As club captain I know he has great influence in the dressing room, but we need a proper goalkeeper on the pitch, the odd blinding save isn't enough if vital goals are being gifted to the opposition. i still have nopt seen the Exeter goal on tv but it seems that many who have say that it was not a mistake. Blame the midfielder for not tracking the midfield runner, so why not blame MS instead of the keeper who tried to make up for that error. Had you been behind the goal on tuesday and seen the Exeter player line up the shot and see it going through some players destined for the net, only for KD to somehow get to it, you may grudgingly accept he helped change the course of the result. I am not anti Bart as he is a friend of one of my family, but I dont wish to risk changing a keeper who has so many times saved us points. Iam concerned how many times the opposition seem to get one on ones on us, when it seems a rarity for us to do so.
The Banana Factor Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 The exeter game seems to sum up Kelvin in a single game. Excellent shot stopper of "glory shots". As a keeper i love saving the ones full length dive a couple of foot off the ground as they look hard but are the easiest, you don't need to worry about holding the ball just get strong hands to it and parry it away. Looks magnificent but every decent goalie can do it. The true test of a goalie is holding the ones you need to hold, and getting to the edge/outside of your box to clear/gather the ones you need to. Remember as a goalie you are ALWAYS covering another players mistake. Kelvin did the first thing really well at Exeter, he always has, however he spilled a very weakly struck shot that fortunately Fonte was there to clear, and the goal was 100% his fault. Thats not to say they wouldn't have scored if he had stayed in the right position, (edge of six yard box waiting for the striker to take a poor touch then charge) it was a one on one after all. By running out and missing the ball by at least 4 foot he made it an even easier task. Bart is largely an unknown quality, we have seen some flashes of brilliance and a couple of mistakes. The main flaws he has is slight misjudgment of deep crosses and his kicking. Well Kelvins distribution is poor as well, he cant even kick from hand, the first thing you learn as a goalie. What bart does have is very good technique. An analysis pf his last game will show that he a) gathered through balls at the very edge of the area due to good judgment and good starting position. b) made the saves he would be expected to c) made one excellent save from the dipping nani shot that bounced in front of him. The hardest judgment call to make, Kelvin would have blocked that shot rather than gathered it. I am not guaranteeing that Bart will be our next No 1 as we hopefully climb through the leagues, however Kelvins games is getting worse as he gets older, hes has made 3 or 4 key mistakes in the last month, as well as the ones that haven't been punished. He is definitely not going to cut it in the championship. Wouldn't it be more sensible to blood Bart and see if he will before we decide whether to go shopping for a new keeper or not?!
Dimond Geezer Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 But it's ok for you to criticise Bart , you couldn't make it up I'm not criticising Bart, I'm merely pointing out some of his weaknesses to illustrate that he is not the god-like entity that some believe, in fact if you read my other posts you will see that I think he will do ok for us when his time comes, but he is not ready yet. I don't doubt that when he is our No.1, there will be numerous threads on this board calling for the reserve keeper at that time to be promoted to the first team. For your information I won't be one of them, as I choose to support the players in my team. FWIW if you use a certain amount of imagination, you probably could make it up.
Big Bad Bob Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) Wouldn't it be more sensible to blood Bart and see if he will before we decide whether to go shopping for a new keeper or not?! So you'd run the risk of derailing our whole promotion campaign with a (largely) unproven entity rather than stick with what we have and what the team know? You'd rather run the risk of demoralising the current keeper and risking his form *IF* he has to come back because your gamble hasn't paid off? Life is full of risks, I know, but at our juncture it's better the devil you know, surely? Edited 3 February, 2011 by Big Bad Bob Punctuation pedants
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