aintforever Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 Look I understand the point you are trying to make - but it doesn't make ST holders WORSE OFF than anyone else. If I wanted to, I could have just bought my seat for the Man Utd game at left it at that. Why did I want an extra ticket? For somebody who isn't a ST holder or a member of course. Why should that part timer get an advantage over regulars or members? They shouldn't - so they pay £55 for the privilege. I don't care about their expense. Now I can buy another one for someone without the extra game - lucky for that person that there were some left, and they have to sit in a **** seat. But a part time mate of a member doesn't have to pay £55 for the privilege - that's my point - it does make the most loyal fans worse off because they can't get their mate a ticket for just the Man U game.
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 But a part time mate of a member doesn't have to pay £55 for the privilege - that's my pointBut they do - unless they get lucky. If I am a member and I have not bought a United ticket yet, I can now buy one (for me) and one (for my mate) and I also have to buy one for the linked game - totalling £85. If you are telling me that they can just buy two ManUtd tickets without a linked game them I agree - scandalous. But that isn't supposed to happen. If it does then it is a cock-up by the ticket seller.
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 (edited) But they do - unless they get lucky. If I am a member and I have not bought a United ticket yet, I can now buy one (for me) and one (for my mate) and I also have to buy one for the linked game - totalling £85. If you are telling me that they can just buy two ManUtd tickets without a linked game them I agree - scandalous. But that isn't supposed to happen. If it does then it is a cock-up by the ticket seller. *sigh* The 'offer' is to anyone who has already bought a ticket to the Man U game can now buy an unlinked ticket for a friend to the Man U game. That is unless you have bought your Man U ticket as a season ticket holder - if so, you have to buy a linked ticket. Got it yet? The fact is, I'm a member who's bought a United ticket but now a mate wants to come as well. If I was a non-member I'd be able to get him a ticket for circa £30. As I'm not a non-member he has to pay £55. So what's the advantage of being a ST holder then? Maybe you like to screw your mates for a few more quid but I'd like to be able to let them see that there's advantages to being a ST holder in getting tickets. Edited 27 January, 2011 by Tractor_Saint
NickG Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 season ticket who is after further tickets are buying for season ticket holders!
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 season ticket who is after further tickets are buying for season ticket holders! That'll be £55 thank you very much
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 *sigh* The 'offer' is to anyone who has already bought a ticket to the Man U game can now buy an unlinked ticket for a friend to the Man U game.No they cannot. There has to be at least one linked ticket purchase. To buy an unlinked ticket now, they must have previously bought a linked ticket. The cost of the two tickets must include one linked game and come to a total of £85....unless they get lucky. Now, if you were to say to me that ST holders should be able to buy their linked seats cheaper than members or the general public then I would agree. I can also see why you would be miffed if your extra tickets are for family members rather than glory hunters who wouldn't set foot in St Mary's otherwise - but it is impossible to police.
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 season ticket who is after further tickets are buying for season ticket holders!Question or statement?
NickG Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 who knows - don't understand it reading it back myself!
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 No they cannot. There has to be at least one linked ticket purchase. To buy an unlinked ticket now, they must have previously bought a linked ticket. The cost of the two tickets must include one linked game and come to a total of £85....unless they get lucky. Now, if you were to say to me that ST holders should be able to buy their linked seats cheaper than members or the general public then I would agree. I can also see why you would be miffed if your extra tickets are for family members rather than glory hunters who wouldn't set foot in St Mary's otherwise - but it is impossible to police. Finally we've got there. As a ST holder I have already paid for my next game (at a discount included in my £400 or so ST price) so my 'on paper' outlay at the moment is £30ish for the Man U ticket + my ST price for the next home game (let's say £20). A non-ST holder has had to buy a ticket + a linked ticket - so they've paid £55. Current position for us to see the next two games: Season ticket holder - £50 Non-ST holder = £55 Now, both of us want our mate to sit next to us cos it's gonna be cold and we want to cuddle at half time to warm up: Season ticket holder extra ticket = £55 Non-ST holder extra ticket = £30 Good here init.
NickG Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 Finally we've got there. As a ST holder I have already paid for my next game (at a discount included in my £400 or so ST price) so my 'on paper' outlay at the moment is £30ish for the Man U ticket + my ST price for the next home game (let's say £20). A non-ST holder has had to buy a ticket + a linked ticket - so they've paid £55. Current position for us to see the next two games: Season ticket holder - £50 Non-ST holder = £55 Now, both of us want our mate to sit next to us cos it's gonna be cold and we want to cuddle at half time to warm up: Season ticket holder extra ticket = £55 Non-ST holder extra ticket = £30 Good here init. why?
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 why? ARGHHHHHH and there in lies the reason for my OP - why.... (my head hurts too) If a tree falls in a forest when there's no one around......
aintforever Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 Because apparently, if a Season Ticket holder who has a ticket wants another ticket they have to buy it linked.
NickG Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 isn't that extra ticket £55 as well - ie need another linked one?
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 isn't that extra ticket £55 as well - ie need another linked one? Nope, non-ST holders who have already purchased a linked ticket can get non-linked tickets now for £30ish. ST holders can't and have to buy a linked ticket for £55
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 Finally we've got there. As a ST holder I have already paid for my next game (at a discount included in my £400 or so ST price) so my 'on paper' outlay at the moment is £30ish for the Man U ticket + my ST price for the next home game (let's say £20). A non-ST holder has had to buy a ticket + a linked ticket - so they've paid £55. Current position for us to see the next two games: Season ticket holder - £50 Non-ST holder = £55 Now, both of us want our mate to sit next to us cos it's gonna be cold and we want to cuddle at half time to warm up: Season ticket holder extra ticket = £55 Non-ST holder extra ticket = £30 Good here init. LOL - creative accounting You and I are going to the Carlisle match already (probably for about £18 ) regardless of this FA cup fixture, so it is irrelevant. So, how about: ST Holder ======= ManU £30 ST Holders mate ============ ManU £30 Carlisle £25 = £55 Member ========== ManU £30 Members mate ================ ManU £30 Carlisle £25 = £55 If you are paying for your mate then again, I agree, extremely annoying. When it boils down to it, the ST holder's only advantage is that they had the opportunity to buy early and pick and choose where the extra seat was. It would also have been a nice touch if the linked games for ST holders was (for example) £15 rather than £25. However, you are not worse off than the member. Unfortunately, you are not better off either - which is perhaps the crux of the matter.
aintforever Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 Aaaarrrrgggg Member's mate doesn't have to buy a Carlisle ticket you dumb f*ck, that's the whole point of this thread!
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 (edited) LOL - creative accounting Getting there. Wrong way round though for the 'member' cos his mate only paid £30 for a ManU ticket. My mate has to pay £55. The ST holder has already chosen to buy a ManU ticket knowing they already had paid around £20 for the Carlisle game. The 'member' bought their ManU ticket in the knowledge that it was going to cost £55. Their mate then wanted to come and cos they had already committed £55 their mate pays £30. My mate still pays £55. So, who's the creative accountant now? ST holder £30 ticket for Manu + £20 already in the bag ticket for Carlisle = £50 ST holder mate £30 ticket for Manu + £25 ticket for Carlisle = £55 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Member' £30 ticket for Manu + £25 ticket for Carlisle = £55 'Members' mate £30 ticket for ManU Edited 27 January, 2011 by Tractor_Saint
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 I give up.....life is too short. Enjoy the game
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 I will - but I'll be on my own unlike the fecking non-ST holders
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 I will - but I'll be on my own unlike the fecking non-ST holders You'll probably be sitting next to my nephew, who forked out £55 and has to watch Saints Vs Swindon also - bless him.
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Posted 27 January, 2011 You'll probably be sitting next to my nephew, who forked out £55 and has to watch Saints Vs Swindon also - bless him. B*gger if I'd have known he could have bought a ticket for my mate for 25 quid less than I could get it for as a 'VALUED' ST holder! Making sense yet?
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 Aaaarrrrgggg Member's mate doesn't have to buy a Carlisle ticket you dumb f*ck, that's the whole point of this thread!I think think that post sums up your cognisance of the issue in a nutshell!
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 B*gger if I'd have known he could have bought a ticket for my mate for 25 quid less than I could get it for as a 'VALUED' ST holder! Making sense yet? No he couldn't, but as I bought it for him when I got my own ticket, I could now buy your mate one for £30 if you like ;-)
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 January, 2011 Posted 27 January, 2011 So let me get this straight.... what you're saying is a ST holder is being disadvantaged because they have already forked out for a whole season of tickets compared to somebody who has only forked out for a Carlisle ticket, in addition to the Man Utd ticket that they have each purchased?
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 So let me get this straight.... what you're saying is a ST holder is being disadvantaged because they have already forked out for a whole season of tickets compared to somebody who has only forked out for a Carlisle ticket, in addition to the Man Utd ticket that they have each purchased?So it seems Whitey :-). Also, if you take the view (as I do) that what a ST holder has forked out in advance for a Carlisle ticket is completely irrelevant, then you are a dumb f@ck! Nice eh?
Barry the Badger Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 This thread is possible the most frustrating I've ever read. It's not complicated and what Tractor is saying makes complete sense.
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 But, as a Season Ticket holder, couldn't you argue that you have already bought a linked ticket via your Season Ticket!! Maybe we need to take this to the European Court of Human Rights!!
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 This thread is possible the most frustrating I've ever read. It's not complicated and what Tractor is saying makes complete sense.It is not complicated and it makes perfect sense if you choose to take that view. Allow me to explain my view - you can disagree, but to me it also also makes perfect sense. But, as a Season Ticket holder, couldn't you argue that you have already bought a linked ticket via your Season Ticket!!Yes you could - and that is what Tractor is saying. If you take that view then you would feel disadvantaged. I said it numerous times that I understood the point - I understand it despite obviously being a dumb f@ck!. I just happen to take a different view on the whole issue. My view is that I have a ST and therefore have already chosen to to go the Carlisle game. It is inconsequential to me when talking about FA Cup tickets. I don't sit watching a game against Nobody Utd feeling all upset because a non-ST holder has managed to get away with paying nothing by choosing not to go to such a ****e game. So for me it is a simple case of what does it cost for two FA Cup tickets? - it costs me £85 - the same as it costs a non-ST holder. However, I had the advantage of of picking and choosing where I wanted to sit. In fact, my nephew and I can go to both games for about £100, whereas a non-ST holder and his mate would have to pay £115 for the same thing. The fact that he can choose not to go, but I have to go as I have a ST, is something I accepted when I bought my ST at the start of the season.
saintalan Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 This thread is possible the most frustrating I've ever read. I agree. Can we have a poll to support Tractor or KPTurner? Mind you I will have to go back over the thread to determine who is actually saying what!
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 It is not complicated and it makes perfect sense if you choose to take that view. Allow me to explain my view - you can disagree, but to me it also also makes perfect sense. Yes you could - and that is what Tractor is saying. If you take that view then you would feel disadvantaged. I said it numerous times that I understood the point - I understand it despite obviously being a dumb f@ck!. I just happen to take a different view on the whole issue. My view is that I have a ST and therefore have already chosen to to go the Carlisle game. It is inconsequential to me when talking about FA Cup tickets. I don't sit watching a game against Nobody Utd feeling all upset because a non-ST holder has managed to get away with paying nothing by choosing not to go to such a ****e game. So for me it is a simple case of what does it cost for two FA Cup tickets? - it costs me £85 - the same as it costs a non-ST holder. However, I had the advantage of of picking and choosing where I wanted to sit. In fact, my nephew and I can go to both games for about £100, whereas a non-ST holder and his mate would have to pay £115 for the same thing. The fact that he can choose not to go, but I have to go as I have a ST, is something I accepted when I bought my ST at the start of the season. Sorry. my attempts at bar room barrister obviously stoked the wrong fires. I can see both camps PsOV, both are equally relevant.
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 Sorry. my attempts at bar room barrister obviously stoked the wrong fires.I apologise - I (temporarily) lost my sense of humour. I think I got too precious about being labelled a dumb f@ck I can see both camps PsOV, both are equally relevant.
eelpie Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 My own often repeated gripe with the ticket office, which is company policy, is that when league matches are cancelled and rearranged it is not possible to get a pro-rata refund if for any reason it is not possible to attend on the rearranged date. It should at least be possible to get a rebate against other non league matches like cup matches or even friendlies. In any other entertainment you can get refunds in similar situations, such as theatre tickets to mention one example. The club does need to look at this, in fairness to its ST holders.
JRM Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 The most disappointing thing in all this is we now face having a couple of thousand empty seats in the ground, demand is out there for the game but saints have made it more complicated than neccessary. Got to bear in mind saints fans are generally out of the habit of having to purchase in advance, and with no membership scheme anymore. i think they should allow season ticket holders to buy extra seats just to ensure the ground is full.
JRM Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 My own often repeated gripe with the ticket office, which is company policy, is that when league matches are cancelled and rearranged it is not possible to get a pro-rata refund if for any reason it is not possible to attend on the rearranged date. It should at least be possible to get a rebate against other non league matches like cup matches or even friendlies. In any other entertainment you can get refunds in similar situations, such as theatre tickets to mention one example. The club does need to look at this, in fairness to its ST holders. I dont thnk any other club does that to be honest. you must have mates / work people / family who you can sell or pass the ticket onto? or people you currently sit next to at st marys who can buy it off you for a tenner to take a friend, thats what my group have done in the past.
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 The most disappointing thing in all this is we now face having a couple of thousand empty seats in the ground, demand is out there for the game but saints have made it more complicated than neccessary. Got to bear in mind saints fans are generally out of the habit of having to purchase in advance, and with no membership scheme anymore. i think they should allow season ticket holders to buy extra seats just to ensure the ground is full.I guess they have milked it for what it is worth. If the combined revenue from both the Utd game and the linked game turns out to exceed the combined revenue they would have got without linking the games, then next time they might reconsider the policy. Trouble is, they will never know for sure. If they suddenly allowed people to buy tickets now (without the linked game) in order to shift the last few tickets, then I would be moving firmly over to Tractors side of the fence.
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 I guess they have milked it for what it is worth. If the combined revenue from both the Utd game and the linked game turns out to exceed the combined revenue they would have got without linking the games, then next time they might reconsider the policy. Trouble is, they will never know for sure. If they suddenly allowed people to buy tickets now (without the linked game) in order to shift the last few tickets, then I would be moving firmly over to Tractors side of the fence. I think the club has got it spot on. Linking it makes it a decent crowd for Carlise, ensures Man U fans are kept to a minimum on the home end. they did the same thing for the Pompey game last season and i dont remember too many complaints then. I Dont understand what people are moaning about, saints fans, those who aren't going to watch Man Utd would be going to the Carlise game anyway so it just means buying your ticket a few days early.
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 I missed the opportunity/time to buy my own seat as a ST holder. So I went to get my ticket at the TO and was told I needed to purchase a Carlisle ticket - I posed the question "Why would I need two?" they then checked that I had allready purchased my own seat and back tracked. I only purchased the Man U one.
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 I missed the opportunity/time to buy my own seat as a ST holder. So I went to get my ticket at the TO and was told I needed to purchase a Carlisle ticket - I posed the question "Why would I need two?" they then checked that I had allready purchased my own seat and back tracked. I only purchased the Man U one.This is correct. You would only have to purchase a Carlisle ticket if you wanted to buy two Man U tickets. The person at the TO must have initially thought you were trying to buy an extra ticket rather than just getting the one you are entitled to (unlinked).
Tractor_Saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Author Posted 28 January, 2011 One thing throughout this though is that officialsaints twitter is confused about ticket purchasing and if they can't get it right how can they expect their customers to understand the rules? Last night, officialsaints replied with : "@TractorSaint I have been told that if you have a Carlisle ticket (eg STH) then you can come and get as many Utd tickets as you need"
Wurzel Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 What if I want a Carlisle ticket, can't go to the ManUre game but don't have any mates. ?
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 (edited) One thing throughout this though is that officialsaints twitter is confused about ticket purchasing and if they can't get it right how can they expect their customers to understand the rules? Last night, officialsaints replied with : "@TractorSaint I have been told that if you have a Carlisle ticket (eg STH) then you can come and get as many Utd tickets as you need"Isn't that just saying what we already know? As long as you have already bought one linked ticket, you can buy more Utd tickets unlinked? That is why I offered to buy your mate one for £30 - because I have already bought a linked ticket....paid my dues so to speak. EDIT OK - just understood the (eg STH) caviat. Well, I agree - they are confused. Edited 28 January, 2011 by kpturner
Tractor_Saint Posted 28 January, 2011 Author Posted 28 January, 2011 Isn't that just saying what we already know? As long as you have already bought one linked ticket, you can buy more Utd tickets unlinked? That is why I offered to buy your mate one for £30 - because I have already bought a linked ticket....paid my dues so to speak. Nope, I read it as 'If you are a STH then you already have a Carlisle ticket by default so you can get as many Utd tickets as you need now'. That's also backed up by their tweet on the 26th Jan : "RT @incongruousm: What does this mean for ST holder? Need to buy Carlisle tix?
kpturner Posted 28 January, 2011 Posted 28 January, 2011 Nope, I read it as 'If you are a STH then you already have a Carlisle ticket by default so you can get as many Utd tickets as you need now'. That's also backed up by their tweet on the 26th Jan : "RT @incongruousm: What does this mean for ST holder? Need to buy Carlisle tix? Yes - you missed my edit methinks. I do that frequently
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