Durleyfos Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Councillor-leaves-meeting-to-avoid.6702358.jp FWIW, I don't think he's being racist at all, and well within his rights to walk out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 His reason is a bit suspect. I don't see why a Christian prayer is any different from a Muslim Prayer in status, regardless of demographics of the country. However, I am a firm believer in freedom of religion(however much I despise large part of it), and as such it is within his rights to leave. I remember when I was at Primary School and during assemblies when everyone was forced to pray(in my opinion... wrong), the Muslims of the school were allowed to leave the room. I wonder what would have happened if I had done that? Then again I was 8, and indoctrinated. Well, I'm rambling here, but it is within his rights to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Why are they mixing religious values with government work? If they want to go all fundamental, either pop over to Texas and join one of the loony townships there or grow a beard and a chip on your shoulder and go to a village in Pakistan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Why are they mixing religious values with government work? If they want to go all fundamental, either pop over to Texas and join one of the loony townships there or grow a beard and a chip on your shoulder and go to a village in Pakistan... That is another point to add to my ramble. The state should never mix with religion. On a side note, this is why I think they should kick the bishops out of the house of lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Councillor-leaves-meeting-to-avoid.6702358.jp FWIW, I don't think he's being racist at all, and well within his rights to walk out. Strange how this has gone this way. When I was at Taunton's the Catholics had their own assembly apart from all of the others. If the Headmaster had something unusual to say they came back at the end. No-one gave a toss or spoke of disrespect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 That is another point to add to my ramble. The state should never mix with religion. On a side note, this is why I think they should kick the bishops out of the house of lords. It could become an irreversible, horrible, melded, entwined concoction with one group of people living by religious rule, another by state law... :-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 His reason is a bit suspect. I don't see why a Christian prayer is any different from a Muslim Prayer in status, regardless of demographics of the country. However, I am a firm believer in freedom of religion(however much I despise large part of it), and as such it is within his rights to leave. I remember when I was at Primary School and during assemblies when everyone was forced to pray(in my opinion... wrong), the Muslims of the school were allowed to leave the room. I wonder what would have happened if I had done that? Then again I was 8, and indoctrinated. Well, I'm rambling here, but it is within his rights to leave. I guess this has something to do with your username (or rather the number at the end of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Strange how this has gone this way. When I was at Taunton's the Catholics had their own assembly apart from all of the others. If the Headmaster had something unusual to say they came back at the end. No-one gave a toss or spoke of disrespect. Same here (obviously I wasn't at Taunton's but at the girls' school across the Common ). We had Catholic and Jewish girls attending the school and they were allowed to miss assembly. I tried to argue my point that I was an aetheist but I didn't get away with it But, addressing the main point. We should be a secular society and that is the end of my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I guess this has something to do with your username (or rather the number at the end of it) I don't really like my username anymore. I wish I registered myself as Saintandy or just Andy... but oh well. The mistakes of youth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 His actions were OK, leaving then coming back. Well within his rights to do that. His reasoning for it is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I got invited to a large quiz type event by some colleagues of mine at work. Turned out they were massive God-botherers, and the quiz was merely a pretense to listen to someone preach for 45 minutes. As soon as I'd cottoned on to the scam, I walked out and did not return until it was all over. Upon my return, my boss asked why I left and said "Did you not believe the account he gave?" My response was "If God had meant us to listen to b*llocks, my balls would be a lot closer to my ears". In perspective, Pompey bloke doesn't look too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 We should be a secular society and that is the end of my point of view. Exactly. As Bunuel famously said: 'God and Country are an unbeatable team; together they break all records for oppression and bloodshed.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 he was just being deliberately rude to an invited guest for dramatic effect - a bit like a four year old. He has every right to ignore the prayer, doesn't have to join in, but it appears he wanted to get his chubby little face in the paper so he walked out. And then back in. I would consider that act rather immature from an ordinary councillor but for someone who has put himself forward as part of the advisory group responsible for inter faith harmony in the city, the man is obviously an idiot. His action did nothing positive for anyone of any faith, it just made Portsmouth look like it has a problem with people who are different. It's still a city for local people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Good for him. I'd have done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Unfortunately this just adds to the PC brigade and how certain sections of the population are so persecuted. In reality he is showing the same disregard for other religions as some Muslims do for Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 He's entitled to listen to whatever prayers he wants, if anyone else doesn't like it that's tough luck on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I'm more puzzled as to why they pray before each meeting... I cant imagine doing it at my place of work... Most bizarre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 tricky one.....prayers and religion have a time and a place IMO...and during the working day is not it IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Why are they mixing religious values with government work? If they want to go all fundamental, either pop over to Texas and join one of the loony townships there or grow a beard and a chip on your shoulder and go to a village in Pakistan... What an incredibly offensive and stupid thing to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 "But I don't feel it's appropriate for Muslim prayers to be said, as I don't feel we worship the same God as Muslims, so I left.'" Christians worship the same God as Muslims do so he is an ignorant man if nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 he was just being deliberately rude to an invited guest for dramatic effect - a bit like a four year old. He has every right to ignore the prayer, doesn't have to join in, but it appears he wanted to get his chubby little face in the paper so he walked out. And then back in. I would consider that act rather immature from an ordinary councillor but for someone who has put himself forward as part of the advisory group responsible for inter faith harmony in the city, the man is obviously an idiot. His action did nothing positive for anyone of any faith, it just made Portsmouth look like it has a problem with people who are different. It's still a city for local people. That's a pretty good summary. The chap is just rude. The OP says "I don't think he's being racist at all". No, of course he's not being racist - he's just proving himself to be ignorant and rude. It wouldn't harm him to sit and listen for a few minutes, just out of respect for others beliefs. Good for him. I'd have done the same. There need be no other evidence that the councillor involved was wrong other than this post by Dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 "But I don't feel it's appropriate for Muslim prayers to be said, as I don't feel we worship the same God as Muslims, so I left.'" Christians worship the same God as Muslims do so he is an ignorant man if nothing else I thought muslims worshipped an Elephant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I thought muslims worshipped an Elephant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Don't lie Dune. You've never had a thought of your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I'll check my Churchill quotes and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet... Well, you've obviously been asleep, or drunk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Unfortunately this just adds to the PC brigade and how certain sections of the population are so persecuted. In reality he is showing the same disregard for other religions as some Muslims do for Christians. Perhaps, but not the muslim who was a guest at the council, who in fact invite the idiot to a muslim meeting to read a Christian prayer. I'm tolerant and respectful to everyone, except those who aren't tolerant and respectful to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 God is like Father Christmas. Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Benevolent and lives in a place beyond our reach. He puts us through tests everyday of our life and then notes if we are good or bad; punishing or rewarding us depending on our behaviour. But MOST importantly, people still believe in him so therefore he is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 But Father Christmas IS real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 That's a pretty good summary. The chap is just rude. The OP says "I don't think he's being racist at all". No, of course he's not being racist - he's just proving himself to be ignorant and rude. It wouldn't harm him to sit and listen for a few minutes, just out of respect for others beliefs. There need be no other evidence that the councillor involved was wrong other than this post by Dune. You really believe that your opinion, is the only one that counts, don't you. In all these threads, you diss other peoples views, and mock them. For what it's worth, I don't believe in God, but was raised in a Christian country, with Christian beliefs. Whilst in the Army, I was regularly stood out side the church at attention, for the duration, because of this view. This man has every right to do what he sees as being right, but alas, the leftie view in country, means, that his rights don't count in the great brainwashing taking place in the here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Wonder how he would cope flying long haul with one of our Middle Eastern Airlines (not Emirates) who have broadcast a prayer before take off Personally that has been the only time I have ever felt uneasy aboout "mixing religions" Simply because sitting on a plane where they have to PRAY for a safe flight just freaks me out. What the feck are the pilots supposed to be doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 You really believe that your opinion, is the only one that counts, don't you. In all these threads, you diss other peoples views, and mock them. For what it's worth, I don't believe in God, but was raised in a Christian country, with Christian beliefs. Whilst in the Army, I was regularly stood out side the church at attention, for the duration, because of this view. This man has every right to do what he sees as being right, but alas, the leftie view in country, means, that his rights don't count in the great brainwashing taking place in the here and now. You're right, he was well within his rights to do what he did. I think many are just pointing out that it was rude and disrespectful. I don't see why that is a "leftie view", it has nothing to do with politics - just common courtesy really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 You're right, he was well within his rights to do what he did. I think many are just pointing out that it was rude and disrespectful. I don't see why that is a "leftie view", it has nothing to do with politics - just common courtesy really. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 You're right, he was well within his rights to do what he did. I think many are just pointing out that it was rude and disrespectful. I don't see why that is a "leftie view", it has nothing to do with politics - just common courtesy really. You have been brainwashed by the socialist Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 You're right, he was well within his rights to do what he did. I think many are just pointing out that it was rude and disrespectful. I don't see why that is a "leftie view", it has nothing to do with politics - just common courtesy really. Why, if that's the criteria you are using, then I, and many of my friends and relations, are as you say, 'rude and disrespectful', because we also, would walk out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Why, if that's the criteria you are using, then I, and many of my friends and relations, are as you say, 'rude and disrespectful', because we also, would walk out. So being a non-believer would you have walked out when the Christian prayer was said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 "But I don't feel it's appropriate for Muslim prayers to be said, as I don't feel we worship the same God as Muslims, so I left.'" Christians worship the same God as Muslims do so he is an ignorant man if nothing else Exactly 'There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 So being a non-believer would you have walked out when the Christian prayer was said? Of course, religion and politics should not mix IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Of course, religion and politics should not mix IMO. Thinking this and insulting someone do not necessarily go together (I accept, however, that it is your default position, given your dismal politics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Good for him. I'd have done the same. Agreed. I'd have probably left for both prayers because praying is boring and I'm not religious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Agreed. I'd have probably left for both prayers because praying is boring and I'm not religious. You must find it irritating at weddings and christenings then having to keep popping in and out of the church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Wonder how he would cope flying long haul with one of our Middle Eastern Airlines (not Emirates) who have broadcast a prayer before take off Personally that has been the only time I have ever felt uneasy aboout "mixing religions" Simply because sitting on a plane where they have to PRAY for a safe flight just freaks me out. What the feck are the pilots supposed to be doing? Could be worse, could be on a BA flight with a good chance of it getting cancelled as they are all on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Not very professional ! Or very Christian ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 The correct way to participate in non-participation during shows of religious reverance or devotion is to play along but change the words a bit or sing in an ever-so-funny deep voice. This has served public schoolboys well for many generations and I see no impedimenta to its general uptake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 I sing along but keep my fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 To be fair to Gingeletiss, most people probably walk out when he starts talking so he's only reacting based on personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 I think at times like these all good Tories should stand up and sing Jerusalem and drown out his blashemic mutterings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Why, if that's the criteria you are using, then I, and many of my friends and relations, are as you say, 'rude and disrespectful', because we also, would walk out. Fair enough, judging by a lot of your posts I'd already concluded that you were a bit of a c*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 I think at times like these all good Tories should stand up and sing Jerusalem and drown out his blashemic mutterings. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 I think at times like these all good Tories should stand up and sing Jerusalem and drown out his blashemic mutterings. Just returned from Jerusalem and it is actually a holy city for Musilms as well, in fact the Jews most sacred place is now a mosque (of sorts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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