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Anyway it's thought to be about 800K maximum with a fair bit on goals and appearances.

 

I thought we might have fancied him at that price,can't see us bidding 1.5 for Austin when we might have got Madine for about 400K down or something like that.

a good mate at from who is a carlish nut reckon it was £500K max....even that included add ons...

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His first touch looks extremely good from the videos.

 

Of course he comes out of the Auxerre formation centre where the grand manitou Roux presided for a couple of decades.

If you look at the players who came out of Auxerre it's like half of the French national side for 2 decades. If he's still got what it takes to have got in there in the late 90s then he can be pretty good for us.

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hardly...splashing the case like some want us to...and ALL spent by clubs higher than us....

 

No that was just a quick flick through Sky transfers....you said outside of the top 4 clubs no-one was spending and I have proved they are.

 

£1-2m is high in this division if we are as well off as suggested and have the transfer kitty we are told we have then why not

spend it on players that are proven rather than a gamble thats the point.

As posted several times we still have 5 days left of the window and most activity is carried out on the last day.

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No that was just a quick flick through Sky transfers....you said outside of the top 4 clubs no-one was spending and I have proved they are.

 

£1-2m is high in this division if we are as well off as suggested and have the transfer kitty we are told we have then why not

spend it on players that are proven rather than a gamble thats the point.

As posted several times we still have 5 days left of the window and most activity is carried out on the last day.

 

I bet Guly cost a sizeable sum. Both for the initial loan fee (Aug '10 - Jan '11) and to make it permanent a week ago.

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No that was just a quick flick through Sky transfers....you said outside of the top 4 clubs no-one was spending and I have proved they are.

 

£1-2m is high in this division if we are as well off as suggested and have the transfer kitty we are told we have then why not

spend it on players that are proven rather than a gamble thats the point.

As posted several times we still have 5 days left of the window and most activity is carried out on the last day.

I never said outside of the top 4...I said a few top prem clubs...

 

there is no money being spent...even premiership blackpool are mincing around penny pinching

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I bet Guly cost a sizeable sum. Both for the initial loan fee (Aug '10 - Jan '11) and to make it permanent a week ago.

 

Could be but he only played in Serie A for a short time ....I checked and he went up from Serie B in 2009 season and played 34 games for them in total. Would that be millions...not sure.

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I never said outside of the top 4...I said a few top prem clubs...

 

there is no money being spent...even premiership blackpool are mincing around penny pinching

 

I think most transfers are completed on the last day of the window...we shall see perhaps we will

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Pilkington to us is just like Chamberlain to them. No chance.

 

People need to be realistic about not ony what we can afford but also their actual availability. Back to N'Guessen, he is perfect for us in that he has the class to fit into our passing game, and that touch of quality needed to unlock a defence. Consistency is always going to be a problem for a winger, especially when he steps up in class and faces fullbacks that a little better than he is used to, which might explain the comments by some Leicester fans.

 

Hopefully dropping down a league will have the reverse effect and he'll have the confidence to get to the byeline and get crosses in from dangerous areas. With Puncheon indisposed we needed a wideman and we have acted swifty. Fresh blood will help to reinvigorate the side after a small dip. Good work chaps. Roll on Saturday.

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I thought I would post 19C comments as I also have a concern over this loan:

But what is really worrying is the apparent desire of the club to commit even a modest spending budget to buy experienced players or promising youngsters with the potential to keep their places in the Championship and therefore be more motivated than those on loan this season.

 

Like you said this individual has hardly had a progressive career - Auxerre to Lincoln City via Rangers is hardly inspiring and the main os have obviously hyped him up but my guess Adkins feels he can help him resurrect his career. Do we need a player like that or a manager who believes he can think like that when the no 1 objective for the next 14 weeks is promotion not player development?

 

 

Being a lot time fan I have this paranoia about things going wrong here: looking at that post last night on 606 now why have we only loaned someone with a pretty low pedigree let's be honest...why not splash out on a Pilkington/Pugh type?

Do we have ANY money to buy? Is it that the money has been put on hold? Yes I know we have Lallana, Guly signed but thats wages not a big signing on fee etc.

I am concerned....slightly ...told you paranoia.

 

Adkins obviously knows that we need a wide player quite urgently, he has probably found it hard to get proven quality wingers in January, so he has gone for the best he can get in the circumstances. This signing is only till the end of the season so Adkins will re-evaluate the situation in the summer. Hopefully, Adkins will get enough from him to compensate for the likely loss of Puncheon.

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N'guessan will do well, has pace which we sorely needed and is direct. Won't be consistent but he'll win enough games and stretch opposition defences even on less effective days which makes space for his colleagues to destroy the opposition and bring their skills into play. We need more players that run in behind which this guy, if nothing else will do. He's done well at this level recently and I think he'll be popular on here.

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You really couldn't make it up ffs, we have had hundreds of posts over the last week or so, calling for cover players, now we get one, and the same posters, are crying that he is not good enough, and he hasn't kicked a ball for us yet.

 

Show me one post where people are not saying he is not good enough??

What I and some are saying is that...and according to the Chairman and Manager we have money to spend

so why are we gambling...because thats what this is.

But dont let facts get in the way of yours and Dibdens inability to read and understand this.

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Show me one post where people are not saying he is not good enough??

What I and some are saying is that...and according to the Chairman and Manager we have money to spend

so why are we gambling...because thats what this is.

But dont let facts get in the way of yours and Dibdens inability to read and understand this.

 

who do we buy then....realistically...do you think the purchases of guly and n'guessen cost nothing..?

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Some people are coming across rather greedy and spoilt on this thread.

 

We've already got a team that's the envy of this league, demanding we spend millions on new players is just moronic.

 

Why because we believe we should be doing better than we are and recruiting the best to enable us to do so...bugger lets all settle for second best then. Are you happy having Gobern, Doble as back up or would you want better quality?

Do you believe Brighton envy us...or Huddersfield....??

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ok....pilkington is a no go realistically in january...unless we spend say..£3-4m...

 

pugh...? what has he done so great..?

 

and the others you mention..?

 

 

Tyson at Forest ..out of contract end of season - wages..possibly an issue but would be Ok if promoted next season as well.

I would of gone for BWP...good enough for Charlton so why not us. Has pace that we need and different to what we have. Short term contract - cost nothing.

McK-S - was quality against us and really stood out - I have been admirer of his play for ages and watched him on purpose at SMS.

Pugh as have told you already has been the Cherries stand out player and costs a fraction more than the Sky money on Saturday proven in this division.

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Tyson at Forest ..out of contract end of season - wages..possibly an issue but would be Ok if promoted next season as well.

I would of gone for BWP...good enough for Charlton so why not us. Has pace that we need and different to what we have. Short term contract - cost nothing.

McK-S - was quality against us and really stood out - I have been admirer of his play for ages and watched him on purpose at SMS.

Pugh as have told you already has been the Cherries stand out player and costs a fraction more than the Sky money on Saturday proven in this division.

tyson...who is playing for a team a pins drop from 2nd place in the NPC....are you fecking serious..?

Pugh...tell me more...how has he played, how many goals and assists..?

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Why because we believe we should be doing better than we are and recruiting the best to enable us to do so...bugger lets all settle for second best then. Are you happy having Gobern, Doble as back up or would you want better quality?

Do you believe Brighton envy us...or Huddersfield....??

 

Gobern and Doble are only backup at the moment because of the Injuries to Hammond, Lallana and Connelly. They'll be back soon and our setup will look much stronger.

 

and then we'll likely have a bench of - Bart, Seaborne, Butterfield, Barnard, Connolly, Chaplow/hammond, Dickson, Punch/N'guessan

 

now, to me...that bench is mental for a L1 team. Of course the squad will look stretched at points during the season, Man Utd's does sometimes. You can't just go and spend, spend, spend, spend when actually there is no reason to.

 

Our squad is already good enough, we now need the consistency to go with it and arguably buying lots more players is likely to unsettle the team structure anyway, so isn't likely to = consistency straight away.

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Mate's a leicester fan - points out that he never really held down a first team place for them, because the squad moved on quite quickly after aigning him and he couldn't keep up. Leicester already had a tight squad following promotion from L1 and did really well in their first season in the NPC, so it was a case of not tinkering too much. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Thinks he's still young enough to learn and at a minimum we can use him as an impact sub to change games with his pace and energy.

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so, whilst in division 3, with a hugely exensive division 3 squad...people will assume we are skint unless we spend at least £1m on another player...

 

 

ffs

 

I explained the situation earlier, as did Chez briefly.

 

No one has bothered to answer yet

 

Do people get that it is not about spending money but actually the availability of players available and whether or not those few that are actually a\ available and b\ not overpriced will not necerssarily be good enough to improve on what we have ?

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tyson...who is playing for a team a pins drop from 2nd place in the NPC....are you fecking serious..?

Pugh...tell me more...how has he played, how many goals and assists..?

 

So you are saying no player out of contract would be interested in a move for money? Go do some research how many games has he played for Forest this season.....injured yes and Forest have no other strikers do they...no player ever drops a division do they Fonte?

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So you are saying no player out of contract would be interested in a move for money? Go do some research how many games has he played for Forest this season.....injured yes and Forest have no other strikers do they...no player ever drops a division do they Fonte?

 

how do you know he is not talking to forest...maybe he has his sights set on a move to a prem team....ffs,

he is at the real busniess end of getting into the premier league..and now you are suggesting we, in division 3 should just get him....

as for fonte...you do realise that palace were about to go pop and we offered the money first dont you......

 

my god

 

could you imagine lallana jumping ship to who ever is 4th in league 2 a couple of weeks ago...instead of signing for us..?

 

tyson has made 23 appearances this season.....half from the bench....clearly getting plenty of time on the pitch....ffs

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Gobern and Doble are only backup at the moment because of the Injuries to Hammond, Lallana and Connelly. They'll be back soon and our setup will look much stronger.

 

and then we'll likely have a bench of - Bart, Seaborne, Butterfield, Barnard, Connolly, Chaplow/hammond, Dickson, Punch/N'guessan

 

now, to me...that bench is mental for a L1 team. Of course the squad will look stretched at points during the season, Man Utd's does sometimes. You can't just go and spend, spend, spend, spend when actually there is no reason to.

 

Our squad is already good enough, we now need the consistency to go with it and arguably buying lots more players is likely to unsettle the team structure anyway, so isn't likely to = consistency straight away.

 

Spend,spend??? where? Guly a serie B and short term serie A, 50k on Chaplow...as explained several times our gates, revenue, lack of mortgage paymenst, Sky TV money would surely cover Lallana?

As for the bench...if Barnard goes down, Connolly looks finished, Punch looks as though he is off thats leaves us short of quality a bit?

For those that can't read...I am not saying N'Guessen is a bad loan and is rubbish...just that from what has been stated by the management I was hoping for more than a gamble.

Hopefully he will be exactly what we need and in the next 5 days we add some more quality to our squad so we can automatically go up. I apologise for showing some ambition.

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how do you know he is not talking to forest...maybe he has his sights set on a move to a prem team....ffs,

he is at the real busniess end of getting into the premier league..and now you are suggesting we, in division 3 should just get him....

as for fonte...you do realise that palace were about to go pop and we offered the money first dont you......

 

my god

 

could you imagine lallana jumping ship to who ever is 4th in league 2 a couple of weeks ago...instead of signing for us..?

 

tyson has made 23 appearances this season.....half from the bench....clearly getting plenty of time on the pitch....ffs

 

How do you know he is FFS

I read wiki wrong....

 

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"On the 26th January 2011 he signed a six-month loan deal with Southampton. Southampton have the first option to buy N'Guessan at the end off the 2010/11 season."

 

From Wikipedia (so it must be true!) Fits in with the living within our means mantra NC has mentioned before. If he works out we buy him at a fee already agreed (I guess), if not, it's thank you and goodbye. Makes good business sense.

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"On the 26th January 2011 he signed a six-month loan deal with Southampton. Southampton have the first option to buy N'Guessan at the end off the 2010/11 season."

 

From Wikipedia (so it must be true!) Fits in with the living within our means mantra NC has mentioned before. If he works out we buy him at a fee already agreed (I guess), if not, it's thank you and goodbye. Makes good business sense.

 

It does make sense and is a great way to work.

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"On the 26th January 2011 he signed a six-month loan deal with Southampton. Southampton have the first option to buy N'Guessan at the end off the 2010/11 season."

 

From Wikipedia (so it must be true!) Fits in with the living within our means mantra NC has mentioned before. If he works out we buy him at a fee already agreed (I guess), if not, it's thank you and goodbye. Makes good business sense.

 

Anyone in the world can edit Wikipedia (something the Daily Echo still hasn't learned based on one of the articles they published yesterday). It is not something anyone should use to gather information unless it has a link in the article to a credible source which backs it up. Neither Leicester or Saints have said it is a loan with option to buy. Saints have in the past said when the loan includes this option (they did with Papa Waigo and Guly) on the day they signed on loan.

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So you are saying no player out of contract would be interested in a move for money? Go do some research how many games has he played for Forest this season.....injured yes and Forest have no other strikers do they...no player ever drops a division do they Fonte?

 

He's not out of contract until the summer so I'm not sure your point counts. He's played 23 games so far this season despite two injuries, so I am not sure what your point is. He won't drop a division, no chance, no need to, he'll get offers elsewhere in the Championship if he isn't offered one by Forrest. Fonte is a red herring. Like Surman for us he was faced with the option of moving or see the club he played for go under. If Palace were financially sound he'd never have joined us.

 

As much as I'd like to see him here, he isn't going to leave thepromotion challenging forrest for us. Another player simply not available to us.

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Did anyone see this coming? Not even Chez! So perhaps we have offered for some of the players glibly mentioned on here, perhaps even offered a decent price and decent wages. Perhaps we've offered for even better players completely off our radar, even from other countries? Can't remember his exact name but we had an offer accepted for that Italian player Vanuuci? But as it is so tiresome to point out again, there is always more than one party involved in the process: the buying club, the selling club and the player (and his agent and his wife and his mother-in-law - if Italian..).

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He's not out of contract until the summer so I'm not sure your point counts. He's played 23 games so far this season despite two injuries, so I am not sure what your point is. He won't drop a division, no chance, no need to, he'll get offers elsewhere in the Championship if he isn't offered one by Forrest. Fonte is a red herring. Like Surman for us he was faced with the option of moving or see the club he played for go under. If Palace were financially sound he'd never have joined us.

 

As much as I'd like to see him here, he isn't going to leave thepromotion challenging forrest for us. Another player simply not available to us.

 

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Why because we believe we should be doing better than we are and recruiting the best to enable us to do so...bugger lets all settle for second best then. Are you happy having Gobern, Doble as back up or would you want better quality?

Do you believe Brighton envy us...or Huddersfield....??

 

No back up for strikers are (Guly / Lambert starting)

 

1) Barnard - one of best in this league and probably better than any in top 6 starting!

2) Connolly

3) Lallana moving to striker - as has done this season

4) Ox-C moving to striker - as has done this season

5) then Doble

 

Back up for CM is probably Morgan - French U21!

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He's not out of contract until the summer so I'm not sure your point counts. He's played 23 games so far this season despite two injuries, so I am not sure what your point is. He won't drop a division, no chance, no need to, he'll get offers elsewhere in the Championship if he isn't offered one by Forrest. Fonte is a red herring. Like Surman for us he was faced with the option of moving or see the club he played for go under. If Palace were financially sound he'd never have joined us.

 

As much as I'd like to see him here, he isn't going to leave thepromotion challenging forrest for us. Another player simply not available to us.

 

Yes I explained that Chez... I read it wrong on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Tyson

He is allowed to talk to clubs if he is out of contract and I thought as he had played so few not much chance of a contract renew. I believe that all players are mercenaries...given enough incentive they will move.

The point with Fonte was that he was happy to come to us..were we the only club after him considering how good he is ...I am glad we got him.

 

P.S

7 starts out of 25 according to this http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/nottm_forest/9372103.stm

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No back up for strikers are (Guly / Lambert starting)

 

1) Barnard - one of best in this league and probably better than any in top 6 starting!

2) Connolly

3) Lallana moving to striker - as has done this season

4) Ox-C moving to striker - as has done this season

5) then Doble

 

Back up for CM is probably Morgan - French U21!

 

See post #192

Barnard ...in court soon

Connolly ...when was last time he started?

Lallana....currently injured

 

So that leaves Oxo who I hope stays and Doble...so your point is?

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Yes I explained that Chez... I read it wrong on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Tyson

He is allowed to talk to clubs if he is out of contract and I thought as he had played so few not much chance of a contract renew. I believe that all players are mercenaries...given enough incentive they will move.

The point with Fonte was that he was happy to come to us..were we the only club after him considering how good he is ...I am glad we got him.

 

They are only allowed to talk when their contract has ended in England i believe

 

I may be wrong, i am sure MLG will be around to put us right soon though.

 

Still, did you read my post about players availability and the problems with getting them here etc ?? Don't get me wrong i am as dissapointed and bored as the next fan but always knew it would be difficult to get players in during the Jan window, especially at the calibre we would be looking. Still time left yet mind.

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