Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 you seriously think huddersfield are going to sell us pilkington in january..?? ffs Yes if the price was right don't you? ffs Learn to read before you jump......why not splash out on a Pilkington/Pugh type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Yes if the price was right don't you? ffs how much...£10m..? after all, we are asking (for arguements sake) £10m for OxO, they would say this player is just as good...if not far off.. shall we spend £5m in a division 3 player..? what do you reckon..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I couldn't see much evidence of those on youtube. Could be more of a "head down and go" player. Didn't seem to show too much pace in that video either. Check this one out, seems a lot quicker and more effective in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szCE6CSEqT8 Seems to be able to put in a decent cross with both feet, good individual trickery, and seems not a bad team player also. Hopefully could be a good signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 (edited) I saw N'Guessen (I believe its pronounced N-Gwee-sen) play for Lincoln a handful of times a couple of seasons ago as I have family in Lincoln. He was a stand out player for them, tall, powerful, pacey and a decent left foot... would literally bomb it down the touchline get to the byline and cross. My only concern is that he clearly has not made it at Championship level and that I've only seen him do well in League Two. I guess he is a replacement in the squad for Puncheon. Edited 26 January, 2011 by SaintNeil90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 how much...£10m..? after all, we are asking (for arguements sake) £10m for OxO, they would say this player is just as good...if not far off.. shall we spend £5m in a division 3 player..? what do you reckon..? Do you think Oxo is worth 10m?? How many players have been sold for £5m in div 1?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Do you think Oxo is worth 10m?? How many players have been sold for £5m in div 1?? doesnt matter what I think..but I cant see in no way would huudersfield (who are not broke) would sell us their best player whilst they are sat 1 place above is in the league.....it would take a very big league 1 price to get him NOW... pugh..is he actually any good...what has he done this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 (edited) Double post Edited 26 January, 2011 by SuperMikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I thought I would post 19C comments as I also have a concern over this loan: But what is really worrying is the apparent desire of the club to commit even a modest spending budget to buy experienced players or promising youngsters with the potential to keep their places in the Championship and therefore be more motivated than those on loan this season. Like you said this individual has hardly had a progressive career - Auxerre to Lincoln City via Rangers is hardly inspiring and the main os have obviously hyped him up but my guess Adkins feels he can help him resurrect his career. Do we need a player like that or a manager who believes he can think like that when the no 1 objective for the next 14 weeks is promotion not player development? Being a lot time fan I have this paranoia about things going wrong here: looking at that post last night on 606 now why have we only loaned someone with a pretty low pedigree let's be honest...why not splash out on a Pilkington/Pugh type? Do we have ANY money to buy? Is it that the money has been put on hold? Yes I know we have Lallana, Guly signed but thats wages not a big signing on fee etc. I am concerned....slightly ...told you paranoia. we have signed 2 players - higher level - in this window, plus new contract for Lallana, therefore money point does not seem valid. Guessing this guy is signed as back up / impact sub to cover starting 11 - seems right sort of signing with similar aptitudes as Antonio and probably better pedigree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 another body to add depth and compotetion going only by the youtube video he does appear to have a good composure on the ball and can win a header but not blessed with great pace but more the odd trick to beat his man. the fact its a loan is another good bit of business and can work out well like the guly deal. happy with this deal and how it was done professionally and quielty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 (edited) How come I didn't get a Twitter text about this, yet I got 10 updates from the U21 game? FFS Edited 26 January, 2011 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 doesnt matter what I think..but I cant see in no way would huudersfield (who are not broke) would sell us their best player whilst they are sat 1 place above is in the league.....it would take a very big league 1 price to get him NOW... pugh..is he actually any good...what has he done this season Pugh has been one of the Cherries best players according to reports/fans/commentators I have read and heard this season. I think you are still missing the point ...I meant a Pilkington type...thats means someone more established, playing regularly in Div 1/NPC that are proven rather than hoping a loan for a non-established player will be Ok ...its a gamble isn't it? Can we afford to gamble? Where is the cash that was mentioned by Cortese/Adkins? Ok no loan is free there is agent fees loan fees, wages etc but this is hardly in the jaw dropping league is it? Just a concern I have and there are still 5 days left of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 How come I didn't get a Twitter text about this, yet I got 10 updates from the U21 game? FFS Oops...I take that back.....it was one of the texts sent during the U21 game.....snuck in under the radar that one. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 No money no signings we're doomed ahhhhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 No money no signings we're doomed ahhhhh... Typical idiotic comment on here. I put out my reasons why I felt that...thanks for you well judged response at least DD put his reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Chaplow Guly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I thought I would post 19C comments as I also have a concern over this loan: But what is really worrying is the apparent desire of the club to commit even a modest spending budget to buy experienced players or promising youngsters with the potential to keep their places in the Championship and therefore be more motivated than those on loan this season. Like you said this individual has hardly had a progressive career - Auxerre to Lincoln City via Rangers is hardly inspiring and the main os have obviously hyped him up but my guess Adkins feels he can help him resurrect his career. Do we need a player like that or a manager who believes he can think like that when the no 1 objective for the next 14 weeks is promotion not player development? Being a lot time fan I have this paranoia about things going wrong here: looking at that post last night on 606 now why have we only loaned someone with a pretty low pedigree let's be honest...why not splash out on a Pilkington/Pugh type? Do we have ANY money to buy? Is it that the money has been put on hold? Yes I know we have Lallana, Guly signed but thats wages not a big signing on fee etc. I am concerned....slightly ...told you paranoia. I see your point, but didn't Adkins technically resurrect Chaplow's career? He'd been out of the team for quite some time, and played for a few different clubs. I also think that you may be overestimating our league. We already have the best overall squad in the league, virtually all of our players would (and some have) be the star player in almost all League One sides. The fact we can talk about Lallana, Guly, AOC, Lambert, Chaplow etc all playing for us shows that we don't need any marquee signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I thought I would post 19C comments as I also have a concern over this loan: But what is really worrying is the apparent desire of the club to commit even a modest spending budget to buy experienced players or promising youngsters with the potential to keep their places in the Championship and therefore be more motivated than those on loan this season. Like you said this individual has hardly had a progressive career - Auxerre to Lincoln City via Rangers is hardly inspiring and the main os have obviously hyped him up but my guess Adkins feels he can help him resurrect his career. Do we need a player like that or a manager who believes he can think like that when the no 1 objective for the next 14 weeks is promotion not player development? Being a lot time fan I have this paranoia about things going wrong here: looking at that post last night on 606 now why have we only loaned someone with a pretty low pedigree let's be honest...why not splash out on a Pilkington/Pugh type? Do we have ANY money to buy? Is it that the money has been put on hold? Yes I know we have Lallana, Guly signed but thats wages not a big signing on fee etc. I am concerned....slightly ...told you paranoia. I think if we sign no one else in the next week then there is reason to be a bit concerned and go down this line of thinking a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Chaplow Guly? 50k for Chaplow is hardly splashing out Nick is it? Guly I have not seen a fee but do you think it was large fee for a SerieB player?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 all playing for us shows that we don't need any marquee signings. so why did we put in "significant bids" then? We obviously wanted to buy players but only up to a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I think if we sign no one else in the next week then there is reason to be a bit concerned and go down this line of thinking a bit more. Yes as I said we still have 5 more days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Guessun we will just have to wait n see how good he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 50k for Chaplow is hardly splashing out Nick is it? Guly I have not seen a fee but do you think it was large fee for a SerieB player?? don't think them, plus Lallana -fees, salaries, signing on fees, agents etc would be a low spend for league 1 - reckon we have spent a fair bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Sure Lallana wouldn't have stayed if we had no money. We asked about Mackail Smith is who is 1m minimum. Be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I thought I would post 19C comments as I also have a concern over this loan: But what is really worrying is the apparent desire of the club to commit even a modest spending budget to buy experienced players or promising youngsters with the potential to keep their places in the Championship and therefore be more motivated than those on loan this season. Like you said this individual has hardly had a progressive career - Auxerre to Lincoln City via Rangers is hardly inspiring and the main os have obviously hyped him up but my guess Adkins feels he can help him resurrect his career. Do we need a player like that or a manager who believes he can think like that when the no 1 objective for the next 14 weeks is promotion not player development? Being a lot time fan I have this paranoia about things going wrong here: looking at that post last night on 606 now why have we only loaned someone with a pretty low pedigree let's be honest...why not splash out on a Pilkington/Pugh type? Do we have ANY money to buy? Is it that the money has been put on hold? Yes I know we have Lallana, Guly signed but thats wages not a big signing on fee etc. I am concerned....slightly ...told you paranoia. Here's another possible interpretation for you to consider: Adkins is broadly happy with the squad, especially he has now made permanent the 2 loan signings he had and fixed Lallana's contract (...and is keeping AOC???) He's made a few offers for relative big names, but we're not prepared to pay silly money, since we don't need to ..(cf he's happy with squad as it is) However after deciding that Puncheon had lost his bus ticket, he's signed this fella on loan to give short term cover for Lallana ..and who knows maybe he'll turn out to worth keeping, in which case great. If not ,no loss. that is why it is a loan not a permanent deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 50k for Chaplow is hardly splashing out Nick is it? Guly I have not seen a fee but do you think it was large fee for a SerieB player?? He came from a Serie A Side and i would imagine he commanded a modest fee TBF. If we were skint would we have realistically been able to make Adam put pen to paper ? Look at the pedigree of players here ATM, then think about the sorts of players you would have to try and sign to improve them. Take Pugh and Pilkington for instance, even if for whatever reason we did decide to chuck 5Mill at them, what would we say to them when they asked if they would get a first team slot straight away ?? Yes of course we will dump AOC and Lallana ?? No of course not, thats a major point too. The problem we have is that to buy players to improve the squad we would need to be purchasing players in teams battling for promotion (and so will be overpriced or a non starter) or teams from the NPC and convince them to come (if they are not involved in promotions/relegations) Its not rocket science to realise how hard a job getting players to come here IN JANUARY actually is at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 don't think them, plus Lallana -fees, salaries, signing on fees, agents etc would be a low spend for league 1 - reckon we have spent a fair bit Fair comment but as our gates have been steady around the 21k mark, tv for FA Cup, plus no mortgage payments etc I think all of that could possible be out of current revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Here's another possible interpretation for you to consider: Adkins is broadly happy with the squad, especially he has now made permanent the 2 loan signings he had and fixed Lallana's contract (...and is keeping AOC???) He's made a few offers for relative big names, but we're not prepared to pay silly money, since we don't need to ..(cf he's happy with squad as it is) However after deciding that Puncheon had lost his bus ticket, he's signed this fella on loan to give short term cover for Lallana ..and who knows maybe he'll turn out to worth keeping, in which case great. If not ,no loss. that is why it is a loan not a permanent deal. If we let Puncheon go surely we need a RM as cover for Chamberlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 50k for Chaplow is hardly splashing out Nick is it? ? we will be getting 3 times that for our TV appearance on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Other than that this is a great signing, Chez will be happy and i agree that Antonio was never anything special and appears i was correct hasn't set the world alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 If we let Puncheon go surely we need a RM as cover for Chamberlin? Lallana can play either side,and will be back soon enough IF Chamberlain isn't going this window. If he does go, buy/loan someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Lallana can play either side,and will be back soon enough IF Chamberlain isn't going this window. If he does go, buy/loan someone else. Don't think AOC will be going now, Wenger is interested but not £10 million interested. If it's £10 mill now he'll go nowhere.Probably not even £7 mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 wouldnt keeping OxO mean we dont need money also..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Don't think AOC will be going now, Wenger is interested but not £10 million interested. If it's £10 mill now he'll go nowhere.Probably not even £7 mill Suits me....although £10 million for an unproven(well only league one) 17 year old winger would of been great business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Suits me....although £10 million for an unproven(well only league one) 17 year old winger would of been great business. He is IMO a better all round player than Walcott was at the same age. Although 10mil upfront is a huge some of money and he will never move for that i do think that NC should play hardball and say £10mill please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Pugh has been one of the Cherries best players according to reports/fans/commentators I have read and heard this season. I think you are still missing the point ...I meant a Pilkington type...thats means someone more established, playing regularly in Div 1/NPC that are proven rather than hoping a loan for a non-established player will be Ok ...its a gamble isn't it? Can we afford to gamble? Where is the cash that was mentioned by Cortese/Adkins? Ok no loan is free there is agent fees loan fees, wages etc but this is hardly in the jaw dropping league is it? Just a concern I have and there are still 5 days left of the window. Ron - I kinda share your concerns but I trust the NC has the dosh for the right player. BTW how much would we need to spend in your opinion to alay those concerns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 wouldnt keeping OxO mean we dont need money also..? Depends on what you intend to outlay....if you are running at a profit and can make do with loans etc and not spend big(£2m+ in this league) in the transfer market then no. Our constant gates of 21k plus revenue would see us ok. Anyway we will be spending £2m on McS tomorrow...and Austin ...I read it on 606 so must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 wouldnt keeping OxO mean we dont need money also..? no it gives credence to those who are suggesting it's 10 million or bust.I don't care either way personally but since somebody has been pushing pushing pushing this deal there's going to be fall out or a falling out.I don't think he's anywhere near our best player anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Sounds very promising, though almost certainly signals the end of AOC or Puncheon (hopefully the latter, obviously...) I don't get this. Why the negative spin? People complain because we haven't signed anyone and that our squad/bench isn't good enough, then as soon as someone comes in it's because others are almost cetainly leaving. I agree punch is probably off but with AOC still here this signing strengthens the squad... a GOOD thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Ron - I kinda share your concerns but I trust the NC has the dosh for the right player. BTW how much would we need to spend in your opinion to alay those concerns? Honestly anything between £1-2m in this league is a big spend. I really rate McK-S from Peterboro and he really stood out against us - my only concern is he is a Barnard type. we need a quick , big, striker that can get the defence turned and facing their own goal - Tyson at Forest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Depends on what you intend to outlay....if you are running at a profit and can make do with loans etc and not spend big(£2m+ in this league) in the transfer market then no. Our constant gates of 21k plus revenue would see us ok. Anyway we will be spending £2m on McS tomorrow...and Austin ...I read it on 606 so must be true. Ah Austin, isn't he the bloke for whom we're supposed to have had a bid accepted and yet his manager says that only Blackpool's bid comes near their estimation of his worth. Now is that a paradox...nope both can't be true,that's not it then, aha I know what that's called...bullsh*tting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Honestly anything between £1-2m in this league is a big spend. I really rate McK-S from Peterboro and he really stood out against us - my only concern is he is a Barnard type. we need a quick , big, striker that can get the defence turned and facing their own goal - Tyson at Forest? Barnard is quick, can't use both feet and has problems with his equilibria though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Depends on what you intend to outlay....if you are running at a profit and can make do with loans etc and not spend big(£2m+ in this league) in the transfer market then no. Our constant gates of 21k plus revenue would see us ok. Anyway we will be spending £2m on McS tomorrow...and Austin ...I read it on 606 so must be true. out side of the a couple of big clubs in the prem...please point me in the direction of the other multi million ££££ signings in england...let alone league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Pacy? I don't think so, however he can head the ball, is strong, can dribble with the ball and unlock situations (even 2 to 1 man sometimes). All in all, probably one of the best winger loanees we are likely to get in this window - only problem is there does not appear to be a buy clause if he does well and fits with the team. Welcome to Saints Dany...hop on the bus and hold on tight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Fair to say I am slightly worried!! The team we have just doesnt seem able to dig in when needed! Could be difference between playoffs and automatic promotion! Hope players we have stand up and be counted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 out side of the a couple of big clubs in the prem...please point me in the direction of the other multi million ££££ signings in england...let alone league 1 how much did Sheff W pay for Madine just out of interest, bet it wasn't 50p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Honestly anything between £1-2m in this league is a big spend. I really rate McK-S from Peterboro and he really stood out against us - my only concern is he is a Barnard type. we need a quick , big, striker that can get the defence turned and facing their own goal - Tyson at Forest? Is that per player? I'd go for McK-S from P'boro for say £1m but no more. The problem as I see it is that we could well have offered that but been knocked back - NC & NA say ok but we do not value him at more so the deal goes nowhere. I get the impression that NC will in no way go above the value our club has placed on any player/target. I think we will sign A N Other but knowing Saints it won't be anyone that has been mentioned on here or other threads. 5 days to go and that is a hell of a long time in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 how much did Sheff W pay for Madine just out of interest, bet it wasn't 50p bet it was not millions either..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 (edited) out side of the a couple of big clubs in the prem...please point me in the direction of the other multi million ££££ signings in england...let alone league 1 Hull City spent £1.2m on Fryatt Aaron McLean £1.3m QPR Tommy Smith £1.5m Waghorn £3m from Leicester to Sunderland Here are a few possibles: http://www.skysports.com/football/player/0,19754,11699_307274,00.html Wheater and O'Neill out of Boro is that enough?? Edited 26 January, 2011 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 His first touch looks extremely good from the videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Hull City spent £1.2m on Fryatt Aaron McLean £1.3m QPR Tommy Smith £1.5m Here are a few possibles: http://www.skysports.com/football/player/0,19754,11699_307274,00.html Wheater and O'Neill out of Boro is that enough?? hardly...splashing the case like some want us to...and ALL spent by clubs higher than us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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