Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 No Lallana = no goals = cheque book out. We are a one man team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 If only we had your messiah Glenn in charge. Tranmere away wouldn't be a problem surely class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 If only we had your messiah Glenn in charge. Tranmere away wouldn't be a problem surely guarantee he woulldn't have lost to a Tranmere team lower down our division (maybe one in lower division?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Not too happy with Nigel's comments - three 'great' saves by the Tranmere goalie implying that if it wasn't for that we wouldn't have lost. But Tranmere won because they had the best of the play and were the better team, just as Notts Co were last week. Changing the shape and the tactics during the game would not be necessary if this team was really division league champions material, and it isn't. Missing Lallana does mean a weakened side but one player should not make that much difference. Hammond missing should have been adequately covered by having Morgan and Chaplow in midfield but it looks like the mf is not good enough. On Solent, the commentators were asking if there should be subs brought on at half time, but if the team should be good enough to beat a bottom quarter side without shuffling the personnel round. Nigel did make a change, to 4-3-3 but bit seems that didn't help as it removed any threat from the wings and nhe had to revert. Its not team shuffling thats needed - it is at least two genuine signings to strengthen the side, a striker and CM, plus a replacment for AOC/Puncheon if either or both are leaving. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsaint Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 just poor and not good enough if saints are serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 So, Saints lose a game of football, and now Nigel isn;t good enough, in over his head. The Chairman is an idiot and doesn't know what he's doing. And those same people want these two guys to whip the cheque book out and sign more players, a CM and ST apparently, and why? Because our left midfielder is injured. You couldn't f**king make it up. No Hammond to blame today, suppose everyone will blame Kelvin or maybe there's a new target of Fonte now? We lost, we'll lose again this season, probably more than once, get used to it! Oh, and most of us weren't even born last time we beat Tranmere! (not a dig at those of you that saw that game!) Now, pick your bl**dy bottom lips off the floor you bunch of pathetic spoilt children and start 'supporting' not 'sla**ing' your team! jeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Heads up. It was tranmere who we seem to have had trouble beating consistently for years if I recall our fa cup results correctly. Onwards and upwards in a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Nigel Adkins - thinks he is a pilot, but he cannot fly a plane ! I think you'll find he thinks he's a bus-driver..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Bottom line we let them bring us down to their level it has happened before and it will happen again. IMO we need a couple of players in to to add to the strength of the squad but the question is who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Bottom line we let them bring us down to their level it has happened before and it will happen again. IMO we need a couple of players in to to add to the strength of the squad but the question is who. I agree. I was there yesterday & that was a shocking first half. The pitch there is very narrow & I think we should of gone 4-3-3 with LB up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 We really ARE a One Man Team despite all the hyperbole about strength in depth and transfer windows . This was abysmal. How on earth can we expect to get out of this league playing like this. Everyone knows now just to kick Lallana out of a game and we're stuffed. As for the false promises of exciting new players coming in... WTFAT? Funny what a solid 2 year contract does isn't it. When they were insecure and uncertain of their futures, Chaplow and Do Pardo really put in shifts and classy ones at that. Now they've got what they want they're back to their old ways of lazziness and ineptitude. Thanks guys for conning us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2011 We really ARE a One Man Team despite all the hyperbole about strength in depth and transfer windows . This was abysmal. How on earth can we expect to get out of this league playing like this. Everyone knows now just to kick Lallana out of a game and we're stuffed. As for the false promises of exciting new players coming in... WTFAT? Funny what a solid 2 year contract does isn't it. When they were insecure and uncertain of their futures, Chaplow and Do Pardo really put in shifts and classy ones at that. Now they've got what they want they're back to their old ways of lazziness and ineptitude. Thanks guys for conning us! Jesus H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Really bad result.. for me last weeks 'dissapointing' result hinged on us getting 3 at Tranmere to make it all okay again. Dropped 5 ponits outta 6 n we cant be doing that. Exeter away next in the league is guna be far from easy too. Worrying that with lallana we dont score. Someone needs to be able to step up when hes not there. Were gunna have bad days, but we need to get back on track quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Can outplay the best teams in this league, but fail to out-battle even the poorest of sides.The type of performance which come the end of the season is going to cost. If Puncheon and Conolly are not going to feature anymore then get shot and bring in someone who will, preferably some decent midfielders which might help us dominate this area in these type of games. Dagenham, Oldham, Nots Co away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Bit more credit to Tranmere required in my opinion.... We played poor, but tactically they had us sussed. Jennings was too much to handle and it sounds like Davis, Harding and most surprisingly Fonte were terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Bit more credit to Tranmere required in my opinion.... We played poor, but tactically they had us sussed. Jennings was too much to handle and it sounds like Davis, Harding and most surprisingly Fonte were terrible. Having seen the goals I think the first was completely Davis' fault. He also seemed all over the place for the second, didn't look set at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Every manager we have had has had some dire results. But you can't really compare the job Pardew had to do to the job Adkins has to do. Adkins has a top 6 trophy winning team with players wanted by Prem teams. He didn't build the team. I don't see results Adkins has had are any better then what Pardew got. And Pardew had to get them when we had a **** team and no coaching staff. If you look at both managers league records here Adkins has had 19 league games. 11 wins. 4 draws. 4 losses = 37 points. If you then look at Pardews last 19 games in charge where they had the same team his record looks like 12 wins. 3 draws. 4 losses = 40 points. Meaning we have actually got less points in Adkins 19 games in charge then we did in Pardews last 19 games in charge. Now that is not me saying i am against Adkins, far from it. He is the right man for the job. But the job he has to do is different to what Pardews was. He is supposed to be taking us to the next level. Make it so we are not inconsistent and can go on to get out of the league. Thus far i don't see any change from being that. Some results have been dire under Adkins as'well as they had been under Pardew. Both of those records are excellent. Both achieve around 2 points per game. Also your maths is wrong for Pardew, its 39 points and the only difference between the two is one draw turned into a win either way. Statistically I would treat that the same on a small sample. The point is, if we continue at 37 points over the next 19 games we will get promoted in this league where no-one is achieving better than 1.92 per game. We are at 1.95 per game under NA according to your numbers. I would also argue that every team in L1 is inconistent simply because thats what you expect in the division due to the quality of players, even in the top sides. Around 2 points per game is as consistent as it usually gets in this league and should we continue that then we will achieve promotion simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Just back from the game. Two long ball teams' date=' a terrible game. We offered nothing, Tranmere had 5 in midfield and one of them was just in front of the back 4 helping head away every hopeless punt from us. When we passed it we looked half decent. We rarely passed it. Harding and Richardson were also very bad. I blame both Fonte and Davis for the first goal. Fonte for calling for the keeper to come (the keeper should always decide) and Davis for not deciding to come - the ball was high in the air and landing in the 6 yard box - what exactly did Davis expect to happen![/quote'] There are good points and bad points with all the players we have vying for position. Butterfield is a better passer of the ball (I won't say attacker this time), but Richardson is the better defender. How this pans out has little to do with the individual performances though, it's down to the control we have in midfield. Whenever the opposition manage to take control of the midfield we seem to suffer to a similar degree. Obviously Richardson will have an impact in this happening, but no where near the main problem. Whether it's down to energy levels or form / number of players in midfield does not seem to matter, once we lose that battle it's normally just a matter of time. We don't seem to be able to sit the midfield in front of the back four and absorb pressure for what ever reason, because we certainly have the best players to hit them on the break. There are two issues at the back which need addressing, one is Kelvin and the other is Fonte. Fonte's biggest problem is trying to cover for the weaknesses in others, but in so doing, creates problems for himself. Unless Adkins can come up with a system that works with Kelvin not coming for balls, we should try Bart, even if that does create other problems. Sort those issues out and we have the chance to defend as a team, because I have not seen any team with the ability of opening us up if we were to effectively park the bus. That just leaves the small problem of being able to score goals, but I feel players such as Oxo and Guly operating in a counter attacking manner would revel in the space they would now find. I just can't see a space for Ricky in this type of set up and he will just have to warm the bench until we needed to change things round. This is not about how good you play when you are on form, but how effective you can play when you are that bit off form. For a perfect example of this you only have to look at Brighton who can pull off results from scrappy but effective performances. One item that we cannot over look is the stats for points and Lallana's presence in the team, so lopsided that it must have some relevance. Personally I would say that any team that tries to effectively mark our forwards when we have a full compliment will have to be far more defensive and lessen the effectiveness of their own midfield. Even without lallana, I still cannot believe that we cannot form a very effective counter attacking side if we chose to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 That is a very good point but this is League 1 and it was TRANMERE. Heartbreaking to loose to teams like that. Good luck to them but saints with the players, support and backing we are lucky enough to have should beat cannon fodder like them. Have a look at their home record, they have been beaten only 5 times out of 13 games at home which means they are certainly not cannon fodder. Our away record also stands up as pretty decent against our rivals who have all lost 4-6 games away themselves. People chuck around this stuff about beating "cannon fodder" away from home yet have no real idea of exactly how difficult winning at another teams ground is in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Fsbpw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Yes, or keep putting in performances like Daggenham and Oldham and we will. Why do you say "keep"? Because I'm saying that if we start to perform like this on a regular basis then our promo chances will be hindered. HTH Glad to see Nige being honest about how poor we were, I have full faith that our honest, hard working group of lads will get in the building and sort it out, and there won't be too many more performances like this between now and the end of the season. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 You may find it tedious and mind-numbing, but there appears to be a huge amount of supporters that fail to understand our situation. What exactly is our situation then Alpine? I just find your reaction to a couple of poor results as overkill. We drew against a well organised side at home and lost to a decent home side away (they have a record as good as ours at home virtually). Before that we achived 16 points from 8 games and have achieved 37 points under NA from 19 games. There, he has consistent results over a longer term at around 2 points per game so there is no situation to understand. Bring in three more players and guess what, we will probably still average around 2 points per game because thats about the best a L1 side could ever hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 We really ARE a One Man Team despite all the hyperbole about strength in depth and transfer windows . This was abysmal. How on earth can we expect to get out of this league playing like this. Everyone knows now just to kick Lallana out of a game and we're stuffed. As for the false promises of exciting new players coming in... WTFAT? Funny what a solid 2 year contract does isn't it. When they were insecure and uncertain of their futures, Chaplow and Do Pardo really put in shifts and classy ones at that. Now they've got what they want they're back to their old ways of lazziness and ineptitude. Thanks guys for conning us! You sir are quite frankly not deserving of supporting Saints. What a load of rubbish you spout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 I thought Chaplow and Guly got absolutely zero support yesterday - no service at all. I expect Chaplow has a very stiff neck after watching the ball going backwards and forwards at altitude. Guly had one chance - and the goalie made a good save in the first half. To be honest I thought Tranmere were a big physical side that we obviously had no answer for. No one fancied putting their foot on the ball like Case used to...again Saints wanted more time on the ball than the opponents let us have. Honestly thought we had it cracked the other night at Oldham - but somehow we lost our way. It's not the Lalanna effect - we just seemed to have no confidence in passing to a team mate - perhaps there was no space? There always seemed to be 2 Tranmere players keen to win the second ball - were we just stood and watched. I guess we just played too deep inviting Tranmere to have a go? Adkins and the team need to put yesterday behind them and get back to the mindset demonstrated at Oldham & Dagenham and Redbridge. We still have to go to Brighton, Peterborough and Bournemouth...real 6-pointers if ever there was! Play again like yesterday and Promotion is just a pipe dream...but there is always the Cup!! Ha bloody ha...get it sorted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Having read some reports from people who were there I read that saints play was woeful - couldn't pass the ball, hoofed it up in the air, couldn't defend effectively, kept giving the ball away and didn't look that interested. If that is true, I think it is a matter for concern rather than for complacency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 Having read some reports from people who were there I read that saints play was woeful - couldn't pass the ball, hoofed it up in the air, couldn't defend effectively, kept giving the ball away and didn't look that interested. If that is true, I think it is a matter for concern rather than for complacency. Sorry that got rather mixed up.....Those reports you have described relate to Tranmere... Apparently we were ten times worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 (edited) I've looked at the horrorlights. Now it would seem to me that the big lump number 7 is offside in the build up leading to their first goal and for their second there's a forearm smash (on Morgan maybe) from the same player that leaves our man KO on the ground holding his head whilst they wander off and Kelvin gives them another freebie.Sh*t ref and sh*t keeper gift them the victory. Edited 23 January, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 I've looked at the horrorlights. Now it would seem to me that the big lump number 7 is offside in the build up leading to their first goal and for their second there's a forearm smash (on Morgan maybe) from the same player that leaves our man KO on the ground holding his head whilst they wander off and Kelvin gives them another freebie.Sh*t ref and sh*t keeper gift them the victory. See what you mean about the offside. Didn't see enough of the 2nd goal buildup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 for once I agree with this chap http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_news.php?storyid=11051 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 posted in the other thread too but so angry am cutting and pasting here: Barmard would have got a penalty if his dive was slightly more subtle. That's the ludicrous nature of the 'no penalty without bloke falling over' game we watch these days. There was contact, it was a pen in my view, but because he made just slightly a meal of it, no pen. Plus that ref was an absolute homer, with almost every decision going their way. First time I've seen Saints in the flesh this season, I admit, but what a load of rubbish. Was expecting a lot of Chappers in the middle to run the game. He looked disinterested. Was expecting a lot of Chamberlain. But he just looked like he was avoiding injury (proved correct). Was expecting Davis to do another horrible cock-up because he is scared of coming off his line ever. Got that one right. But the worst thing was how disinterested everyone looked - and how abysmal our number 2, Richardson is. Can't run. Can't tackle. Can't pass. Can't head. Not a good combo. Why is he a professional footballer? Please get rid. Jaidi couldn't pass to anyone, Schneiderlin didn't get involved. Lambert looks too fat and slow. The only player who looked half decent was Fonte, head and shoulders above everyone else. Barnard was alright when he came on. Best to sell Chamberlain and spend on new keeper, right back, and central midfielder. We're way off promotion on this display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 Did I just hear the BBC highlights talk about someone called Julie Do Prado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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