dune Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Crap performance from a team that think they can just turn up and win games. I hope Nigel Adkins gives them a few home truths because they need to buck their ideas up. That is now two unnaceptable performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 What a load of TOSS...... We should be winning games like this, but the same old same old, as last season!. can no manager teach these muppets how to play against a team with a sh*t pitch and defend for there survival...... at the end of the day the better team won, closing down, good game plan, and it worked.... one eye on the cup???? I think so, everyone wants to perform for the cameras..... having a nice courvoisier now... enough said about this bunch of no hopers.... we will make the play off's max! Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 What worries me is our inability to cope with teams that get in our faces - Brentford & Notts County for example - and we fail to get an early goal. One up against anyone after twenty minutes & I'd bet my mortgage on us winning by more. Nil-nil or a goal down by half-time & you might as well give up. It's not a lack of talent we have but a lack of bottle and a lack of brains when plan A fails. It's no coincidence that we can't score/win without Lallana because he is one of the very few in our team who has both. And neither Pardew nor Adkins have addressed this issue, seemingly seduced by the nice football we play when it is going our way. It worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevtherev Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Ooops, do not know where that came from?? Phew thought I was going mad see it was switched from Tuesday, bet I'm not the only person who had not heard the new date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Kelvin Davis is the problem...Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 And another thing, why does Adkins not use all three subs when we are losing. He did exactly what he did against Notts County, taking off a wide man to accomodate Barnard, and moving AOC inside, whereupon we lose all shape and capacity to get any width or movement. Once is unfortunate Mr Adkins, twice is just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Kelvin Davis is the problem...Fact. No he's not, so it's not really a fact is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 And another thing, why does Adkins not use all three subs when we are losing. He did exactly what he did against Notts County, taking off a wide man to accomodate Barnard, and moving AOC inside, whereupon we lose all shape and capacity to get any width or movement. Once is unfortunate Mr Adkins, twice is just dumb. did you have a problem playing narrow against blackpool...or exeter..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyg1950 Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Kelvin Davis is the problem...Opinion. Fixed that for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Fact is,he was at fault for both goals.Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 No he's not, so it's not really a fact is it? He is a major problem. Shotstopping is something most goalkeepers do but also defend and command the goal area, build from the back, transmit confidence, things that Davis can't do. The first goal whilst playing poorly was a killer and was down to Davis not defending competently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Sounded dreadful on the radio and as bad as Brentford. Big big disappointment we could have gained real ground on everyone at the top (except Bournemouth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Kelvin Davis is the problem...Fact. We didn't score so the goalkeeper is not "the problem". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 We didn't score so the goalkeeper is not "the problem". we would have got a point though...even not gifting goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Seriously, how many goals are attributable to him this season? I can't think of another one. There probably is but I can't think of it. He is the least of our worries. Lambert's mistakes are costing us far more. And Bart is dodgy as hell. Kelvin is more of a problem than you would like to take on. He has cost us a few points and when you consider the amount of games he has had nothing to do, it becomes significant. Whether Bart or Kelvin plays in goal, I gladly leave to Adkins, not that I rate Kelvin. He's not good enough for the Championship and some of his Hollywood saves I feel Bart would get to with feet still on the ground. I fully agree that Lambert is the bigger issue in all of this and something that has been allowed to go on for far to long. I don't know exactly what happened today, but am concerned to see Fonte keep getting involved with mix ups. We will have to wait and see the reports back from the game to get a real clue. But it looks like no one is exempt from this one, including Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Didnt Kelvin let in a soft goal at home the other week,through his hands and slicing no touch kicks all over the ground.Also i've never heard him shout 'mine' when its 50/50 with one of our players in the penalty area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 we would have got a point though...even not gifting goals Correct but equally if we'd scored two of our six attempts on target we'd have got a point. And I can't comment on KD's performance because I didn't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Maybe we are missing Hammond's physicality in midfield also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Missing Hammond and Lallana definitely. And some proper bottle to give 100% rather than worrying about whether they pick up a knock and miss out on next week's glamour game. Shameful with so much at stake and even more so when you consider the results of those around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Just back from the game. Two long ball teams, a terrible game. We offered nothing, Tranmere had 5 in midfield and one of them was just in front of the back 4 helping head away every hopeless punt from us. When we passed it we looked half decent. We rarely passed it. Harding and Richardson were also very bad. I blame both Fonte and Davis for the first goal. Fonte for calling for the keeper to come (the keeper should always decide) and Davis for not deciding to come - the ball was high in the air and landing in the 6 yard box - what exactly did Davis expect to happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 On the bright side, at least we won't have to go there next season. And apart from obviously missing Lallana, we have no captain to organise & motivate when Hammond's out. You can't skipper a side from the goalmouth. Why wont we be going there next season ? Is it because there are moving grounds or is it because you think there are going down ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethallee Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Is it me or anyone else noticed that when Kelvin Davis does pre match interview we pretty much end up losing that game !! Plus goalkeeper should not be captain. Without Hammond we lack leadership which sounded pretty evident today. The lack of 'impact players' from bench was bit worrying today. In Lallana's absence we need a player who is going to give us that spark to grind out wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 What's the point in including Doble on the bench time and again if we never put him on the pitch when we need a goal? Part of our problems, with a few knocks, is the lack of attacking options off the bench if we need a goal. A problem emphasised last week and this. Doble is a pointless sub if he's never going to come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Marsden = Genius Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 With Lallana injured, puncheon 'not right mentally' why dont we recall joseph mills, doing a good job at doncaster common sense surely! Bench looked very weak today attacking wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 With Lallana injured, puncheon 'not right mentally' why dont we recall joseph mills, doing a good job at doncaster common sense surely! Bench looked very weak today attacking wise. I think Mills is back with us now, seemed to be on the preview video the other day. Injured perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Back from the game and it was poor. No commitment to get into the game physically from the off, hoofed long balls which Lambert wasn't winning, no width, too slow to the second ball, bad day for Kelvin. Generally seemed something wrong with the whole team's setup and psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Peterborough, Us, Brighton, Charlton, Plymouth, MK Dons, Notts County None of which have beaten Tranmere at their place some of them have lost. It is a bad result, but lets put it in perspective, we will lose more games going on in the season. If we would have lost this at home i would be severely f*cked off, but it was an away fixture. My main concern seems to be the lack of performance when Lallana is not playing, now i don't actually know what the stats are or what the game sounded like i didn't listen, but we have not scored when he is out of the side, that is worrying really. And i can't explain it, on paper we have the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Peterborough, Us, Brighton, Charlton, Plymouth, MK Dons, Notts County None of which have beaten Tranmere at their place some of them have lost. It is a bad result, but lets put it in perspective, we will lose more games going on in the season. If we would have lost this at home i would be severely f*cked off, but it was an away fixture. My main concern seems to be the lack of performance when Lallana is not playing, now i don't actually know what the stats are or what the game sounded like i didn't listen, but we have not scored when he is out of the side, that is worrying really. And i can't explain it, on paper we have the players. But you have to face up to the facts,we gave away 2 free goals and we can't score. If Man U do that they'd lose as well. Our problem in the 2 matches that we've lost in the last couple of months is gift goals.Sure we want to win but above all for these games we don't need to lose. Take today, if Kelvin and José don't firk up we'd not have been down at half time. We wouldn't have to keep changing formation and maybe we don't concede the second goal either. Gift Goals= Major Problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Well it's not a disaster, but you have to question a few things. Like why Kelvin Davis manages to speak volumes pre-match on the OS about keeping a clean sheet and a sound defence and then goes on to ignore his own advice and have a mare of a game! Also, surely Adkins should be getting better from his players than the performance they put in?! If it's not true that Lallana makes every difference, then why two poor performances in a row without him? We may be good, but we're not the finished article and I stand by my belief that we need additional depth to certain areas of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 But you have to face up to the facts,we gave away 2 free goals and we can't score. If Man U do that they'd lose as well. Our problem in the 2 matches that we've lost in the last couple of months is gift goals.Sure we want to win but above all for these games we don't need to lose. Take today, if Kelvin and José don't firk up we'd not have been down at half time. We wouldn't have to keep changing formation and maybe we don't concede the second goal either. Gift Goals= Major Problem. This is true, Like i said i don't know how we lost or stats or anything as i didn't listen nor heard anything about the game, today wasn't good enough, but not a disaster but then as you say we need to get more consistent. All season we have got away with our blips because other teams fall away, look at Brighton today, someone is looking after us, we SHOULD be further behind then we are in reality. I am still very very confident, Adkins gets things right more than wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adj250770 Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 This is true, Like i said i don't know how we lost or stats or anything as i didn't listen nor heard anything about the game, today wasn't good enough, but not a disaster but then as you say we need to get more consistent. All season we have got away with our blips because other teams fall away, look at Brighton today, someone is looking after us, we SHOULD be further behind then we are in reality. I am still very very confident, Adkins gets things right more than wrong I totally disagree - if we played to our potential and became consistent like hopefully we will do during the final 20+ games we should have been much further AHEAD than everyone else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I totally disagree - if we played to our potential and became consistent like hopefully we will do during the final 20+ games we should have been much further AHEAD than everyone else! I see you have totally missed my point. I agree with what YOU are saying, but what I was saying is that if all the other top sides had a start to the season like last year we wouldn't be as close as we are right now and we have been lucky that all the sides have had stuttering form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Yes, I hate it. But specifically when chasing the game in the last two matches it has taken us from bad to clueless. In te Notts County game we lost all shape and direction and it sounded like a replay of that today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Morgan has captained for the French, he does a great deal of marshalling in mid field anyway and I agree the responsibility would do him good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Morgan has captained for the French, he does a great deal of marshalling in mid field anyway and I agree the responsibility would do him good. So did Yoann Folly, in fact he captained France at pretty much every level bar the full side and where is he now? Franny, bless him, played for England U21s. It means nothing if a player doesn't have the right attitude and this is his achilles heel and why he'll be playing in the French amateur leagues in four years if he's not careful. We've got to use this window to get the mental weak links out of the club - Morgan, Puncheon - and get some cutting edge in. It's okay people saying "get the best out of the players you have" but when they have attitudes like MS and JP, you are just better off binning them. I'm happy with most of the squad but why is Barnard not starting games? Is he still not fit? Does Adkins think he'll be turning out for HMP Winchester? Does Adkins not think he is good enough? If Guly or Lambert get injured, God help us. In response to those will paper over the cracks by saying "we can't buy another Lambert, Barnard etc" I'm not expecting that, but we can bring in a couple of honest faces to help out up-front and in CM in the less attractive away games that should give us enough momentum to get automatic promotion which is the only objective this season. I really couldn't give a toss about the Man U game next week but it does give us the extra income to get a couple of squad players on shorter deals or loan players with a point to prove. Look at the bench - who is going to turn a game? Our dependency on Lallana is frightening. These weak-minded performances have to stop now - the lads need a good debrief on DVD and a full training workout tommorrow to knock any remaining complacency out and a couple of new faces on the bench to change games should help "motivate" them as well. Disgusted at Puncheon, bet he drops out of pro football altogether by the time he's 28. It would help if our keeper and back 4 worked on communication as well. Not good enough - hope that's the last time I type that this season. This lot would get murdered in the play offs as today proves they can't hack it when the pressure is on so hope we finish top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 if you give away cheap goals like the first today then its always going to be an uphill battle. Its very difficult to win away when conceeding the first goal. It was a bad day at the office. Hopefully we can bounce back. I for one won't be calling for Kelvin's head after this game. He's made one or two mistakes in recent weeks, but what keeper doesn't at this level? Besides he's more than made up for these in other games this season - Brighton at home for instance. He does call and he does come for a few crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 So did Yoann Folly, in fact he captained France at pretty much every level bar the full side and where is he now? Franny, bless him, played for England U21s. It means nothing if a player doesn't have the right attitude and this is his achilles heel and why he'll be playing in the French amateur leagues in four years if he's not careful. We've got to use this window to get the mental weak links out of the club - Morgan, Puncheon - and get some cutting edge in. It's okay people saying "get the best out of the players you have" but when they have attitudes like MS and JP, you are just better off binning them. I'm happy with most of the squad but why is Barnard not starting games? Is he still not fit? Does Adkins think he'll be turning out for HMP Winchester? Does Adkins not think he is good enough? If Guly or Lambert get injured, God help us. In response to those will paper over the cracks by saying "we can't buy another Lambert, Barnard etc" I'm not expecting that, but we can bring in a couple of honest faces to help out up-front and in CM in the less attractive away games that should give us enough momentum to get automatic promotion which is the only objective this season. I really couldn't give a toss about the Man U game next week but it does give us the extra income to get a couple of squad players on shorter deals or loan players with a point to prove. Look at the bench - who is going to turn a game? Our dependency on Lallana is frightening. These weak-minded performances have to stop now - the lads need a good debrief on DVD and a full training workout tommorrow to knock any remaining complacency out and a couple of new faces on the bench to change games should help "motivate" them as well. Disgusted at Puncheon, bet he drops out of pro football altogether by the time he's 28. It would help if our keeper and back 4 worked on communication as well. Not good enough - hope that's the last time I type that this season. This lot would get murdered in the play offs as today proves they can't hack it when the pressure is on so hope we finish top 2. broken his ankle playing for Aberdeen. Not relevant but had forgotten about him until you mentioned him so looked him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 broken his ankle playing for Aberdeen. Not relevant but had forgotten about him until you mentioned him so looked him up. So a higher level than league 1 then. Still, another one we can write off as crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Nigel Adkins - thinks he is a pilot, but he cannot fly a plane ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Not going to slit my wrists just yet,but as others have pointed out our lack of attacking options off the bench is very worrying. If we have money we have to strenghen, yes our first eleven is strong but when some are missing we look average.Bringing in another couple of decent players would also give some of our team a much needed kick up the arse.Still a long way to go but becoming increasingly concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Re the result : Truly f**king sh*t. The only consolation was Huddersfield not winning. 1 point from 6 at a critical stage of the season. And all because a single player is missing. Adkins and Cortese have some hard, hard thinking to do. zzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 It is getting interesting now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Still think we will win the league. It is a shame that we seem to be lacking without Lallana!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 It is getting interesting now! What is ? I'll tell you one thing, Adkins is out of his depth and the players did not play for him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 zzzzzzzzzzz You may find it tedious and mind-numbing, but there appears to be a huge amount of supporters that fail to understand our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red robbo Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 absolute crap second best all game and yes i went thanks saints for a 400 mile drive no drink and no f*****g idea from you how to play these teams! CGAF about the fa cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 You have to wonder if they had one eye on the Man Utd game? What's the betting they put on a cracking performance for the "big" game, still lose, then turn out another garbage display against Exeter on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 What is ? I'll tell you one thing, Adkins is out of his depth and the players did not play for him today. If only we had your messiah Glenn in charge. Tranmere away wouldn't be a problem surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGF Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Its strange really you would have thought after beating a prem team in the fa cup that would have lifted us, its done the opposite, I wonder what will happen if we get hammered in the cup will that lift us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 If only we had your messiah Glenn in charge. Tranmere away wouldn't be a problem surely Well at least we would have a better first half, not so much the second though cough, FA cup 2001, cough On a serious note I am really ****ed off tonight, bloody Saints have ruined my Saturday afternoon and evening. Why oh why can't we beat tranmere and there 5hitty little ground....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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