Weston Saint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 No dobt about it Matt's contribution as a player is legendary. And for that he will ALWAYs be held in high esteam BUT... unlike the gentlemen of old such as Ted, ex players in the modern age seem to get involved in all sorts of activties, media, business interests and providing 'comment and analysis' on their ex clubs. And in Matts case spearheading a group that did nearly stifle the Leibherr groups takeover. If ex players are going to get involved in these activities, and it causes friction with the currrent regime, are they really surprized that its not all suddenly forgotten when they are after tickets? Any 'snub' if you can call it that, is basd on Matt's activities long AFTER he stopped being a player for us and legend status with fans, is not going to mask the public criticism... as somebody above said, why bite that hand that feeds? Finally 10 Tickets? For mates who are therefore not regulars? Probably plastic Mancs? Even if they are Saints fans, should they get priority over fans who go to games on a regular basis...that is another point in all this. If you want to give up your ticket, thats up to you, but apart from the usual brovado, how many actually would...Good post Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 This just illustrates to me what a prize doughnut NC is. Yet again his actions are those of a petulant toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 So by some peoples logic if I was a successful luxury yacht salesman for 20 years, when I come to retire I should simply be given a luxury yacht, no questions asked? The fact is Le Tissier lost a lot of face over the Pinnacle debacle but from what I've seen/read he still fails to recognise this. He then goes public a number of times criticising Cortese when in actual fact his actions have been vindicated by our improvements on the pitch over the last couple of months. I'm a huge fan of MLT for his contribution to the club but just because 9 of his mates fancy a day out watching ManYoo it doesnt mean we should be rolling over to his every whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 This just illustrates to me what a prize doughnut NC is. Yet again his actions are those of a petulant toddler. And, with respect, your lack of understanding of business. Matt's a legend to me and loads of us from his era - to NC he is someone who was part of a competitive consortium that almost derailed his own bid. Since then Matt & he have had snipes at each other but that's six of one etc...NC owes Matt no loyalty. Equally Matt is a well-paid pundit - surely he can afford one or other of the hospitality packages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 This just illustrates to me what a prize doughnut NC is. Yet again his actions are those of a petulant toddler. You certainly seem to have more of the facts at your disposal than anyone else on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 No dobt about it Matt's contribution as a player is legendary. And for that he will ALWAYs be held in high esteam BUT... unlike the gentlemen of old such as Ted, ex players in the modern age seem to get involved in all sorts of activties, media, business interests and providing 'comment and analysis' on their ex clubs. And in Matts case spearheading a group that did nearly stifle the Leibherr groups takeover. If ex players are going to get involved in these activities, and it causes friction with the currrent regime, are they really surprized that its not all suddenly forgotten when they are after tickets? Any 'snub' if you can call it that, is basd on Matt's activities long AFTER he stopped being a player for us and legend status with fans, is not going to mask the public criticism... as somebody above said, why bite that hand that feeds? Finally 10 Tickets? For mates who are therefore not regulars? Probably plastic Mancs? Even if they are Saints fans, should they get priority over fans who go to games on a regular basis...that is another point in all this. If you want to give up your ticket, thats up to you, but apart from the usual brovado, how many actually would... You're absolutely right Matts contribution as a player is the stuff of legend. And it saddens me that people are so quick to forget that. The issue is the club we all love is prepared to treat its greatest legend in such a shoddy manner. It's well know NC has a very thin skin but this is ridiculous. I can't recall any public comment by MLT critising NC, but if he has he has earned the right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Lowe and Wilde both done a very poor job for the majority... Cortese is doing well, just nothing special. There is a difference. Lets be honest we aren't going to be getting Champions League football anytime soon. Nor that it's got anything to do with this discussion, but Lowe did a very good job (managerial roundabout aside), given Saints' resources, from 1996 until about 2004. But this discussion is about 1) whether ex-players should be able to demand large numbers of tickets 2) whether some ex-players should be able to demand more than other ex-players 3) the relative rights of fans compared to ex-players 4) whether our current chairman had any input into the situation 5) whether that input should be relevant to the situation 6) whether the person who deals with ex-players' tickets was really helping sign Guly (or whether that's a ridiculous piece of fan-pandering excuse-making as I assume it is) That's about it. Even I don't want to get into another Cortese / Lowe / Wilde debate or rake over takeover issues. EDIT : Oh yeah, and whether they should have to pay for them... or buy qualifiying tickets (i.e. Carlisle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 It would be interesting to know how many tickets other ex-players are allowed to buy? This really is a nothing story. I would hazard a guess that if Le Tiss phoned up and asked for 10 tickets for the Carlisle game, he would get them, This game however is much more popular. He has been allowed 3 tickets, which are no doubt for people that don't go regularly. This is more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 It says in the article that he agreed to buy the link tickets for the Carlilse game it's not like he was asking for freebies he bought tickets for the Man U and the carlisle game. I was speculating whether they would attend, not whether they would buy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 (edited) 3 tickets, as a courtesy for a game like this when they will be more then in demand is more then generous. We're a business, not an old boys club. Edited 21 January, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 I think Tiss is pushing it too far by wanting 10 tickets and when he doesn't get them go crying to the media, 'I served the club for 20 odd years and saved them on many occasions, I deserve better than this.' He and many other ex players have got to stop spending the rest of their lives milking the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Cortese would have to do far more than get us into the Champions League to be considered anywhere near the level of Matt. Matt was a real one of a kind, Cortese while doing well enough is really nothing special. This is a debate that will only have a winner if one of the partys royally shafts us and ruins anything he had done in the past. On what Tiss did for us in the 17 years he was with us he will never be forgotton, and like someone else said he will have a statue outside the ground at some point and will remain our hero for years to come. But Cortese has spearheaded the rescue of our club while Tiss was backing an estage agent! We are in the top 10 richest clubs in the leagues (on paper) and have a target of champions league football competing with the best clubs in the world! Our aim is not to buy the best players around to take us there, but to create them ourselves. Obviously Cortese needs to steer the club to this point before he is regarded as any kind of legend for our club. If he fails he will just be the guy who helped rescue us when we were in the pooh and be forgotton pretty quickly. But right now we are at the beginning of what could be a fecking good journy. Right now: Le Tiss = Playing Legend and please keep out of the polotics Cortese = Thanks so far and keep up the good work but please respect our history 5 years time if things go to plan: Le Tiss = Playing legend and please keep out of the polotics Cortese = Take my wife and turn her from an underperformer into a Wonder Woman 5 years time if things had gone arse up: Le Tiss = Playing legend and please keep out of the polotics Cortese = Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 I want to see them sat together hugging when we score our 6th against Man Utd. I would settle for a cheeky wink and a high five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 This just illustrates to me what a prize doughnut NC is. Yet again his actions are those of a petulant toddler. looks like you are on your own again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Matt saved us time & time again, and got a ticket (and a couple of extras). His mates didn't & didn't. No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 I pains me to see stories like this, considering I hold both men in such high regard... I agree. I don't want to have to choose between them, they are both great for our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Only Saints fans would take what is really a non issue and use it to harp and criticise their own...either Matt or NC.... mind numbing really. Matt has got tickets - he has not been banned or excluded, but a restriction on number has been placed on it - which given the demand for the game is surely understandable FFS? Yes the apir should let bygones be bygones - afterall as some have pointed out at the Matt was just trying to help - although as I understand it it was Pinnacle who approached him rather than the other way round... and had Matt not been involved in Pinnacle, I suspect that he would not ahve any issue with NC. And remember NC was NOT critical of Matt personally but quite rightly merely expressed some frustration that the deal was so delayed by the PINNACLE deal that was given preferential treatment - ONLY because Crouch suppoorted them with the half mill... NC was ineefct more critical of the administrators if you read his comments correctly. Since then Matt has been publivc about his criticisms... now as a 'journalist' and analyst in the media that is fine as its his job and he is entitled to his opinions. But by doing so, he also needs to understand that it will impact on his relationship wit the club when it comes to preferntial treatment - thats only natural and human. The issue of whether as an explayer he should begiven access to tickets way in excess of what the avergae fan could expect is a completely seperate issue and nothing to do with 'snub' or overwise. To then have this story appear in the papers seems really odd. Matt is a true footballing Saints legend and nothing will detract form what he gave to our club... but that does not make him immune to any criticism or immune from actng IMHO wrongly, by washing this dirty laundry in public... I simply do not understand what his aim would be by this. Any fan right now, irresepctive of their opinions of NC should be looking at the table, our recent form, teh good work NIgel has done, the investment in Staplewood, the Lallana and Guly contracts, the promotional potential and recognise that whatever some may think of NC, things have got SO MUCH better than where we were when they took over - the future really does look good, so why are some of our most public facing legends and fans still hell bent on criticising in public? Sure if things were all going pear shaped etc, 'guidance' from the outside and comment and analysis might be appropriate but now? Surely we all want the same thing, a vibrant and successful club - yes we all have different opinion on what approach should be taken, but if the results are looking good can we really still be looking for negatives all the time? What is more important to Matt? A succcessful Saints - challenging for promotion, with an excellent investmnet and infrastructure plan, financial stabilty and a strong squad working well under a good manager, or getting the hump because of the no availablity of 7 tickets? - Sorry but it has to be said again, he would have NO trouble getting 10 or 20 tickets for any other game, just not one that is massively over subscribed... so why the press leak? It does not make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Only Saints fans would take what is really a non issue and use it to harp and criticise their own...either Matt or NC.... mind numbing really. Matt has got tickets - he has not been banned or excluded, but a restriction on number has been placed on it - which given the demand for the game is surely understandable FFS? Yes the apir should let bygones be bygones - afterall as some have pointed out at the Matt was just trying to help - although as I understand it it was Pinnacle who approached him rather than the other way round... and had Matt not been involved in Pinnacle, I suspect that he would not ahve any issue with NC. And remember NC was NOT critical of Matt personally but quite rightly merely expressed some frustration that the deal was so delayed by the PINNACLE deal that was given preferential treatment - ONLY because Crouch suppoorted them with the half mill... NC was ineefct more critical of the administrators if you read his comments correctly. Since then Matt has been publivc about his criticisms... now as a 'journalist' and analyst in the media that is fine as its his job and he is entitled to his opinions. But by doing so, he also needs to understand that it will impact on his relationship wit the club when it comes to preferntial treatment - thats only natural and human. The issue of whether as an explayer he should begiven access to tickets way in excess of what the avergae fan could expect is a completely seperate issue and nothing to do with 'snub' or overwise. To then have this story appear in the papers seems really odd. Matt is a true footballing Saints legend and nothing will detract form what he gave to our club... but that does not make him immune to any criticism or immune from actng IMHO wrongly, by washing this dirty laundry in public... I simply do not understand what his aim would be by this. Any fan right now, irresepctive of their opinions of NC should be looking at the table, our recent form, teh good work NIgel has done, the investment in Staplewood, the Lallana and Guly contracts, the promotional potential and recognise that whatever some may think of NC, things have got SO MUCH better than where we were when they took over - the future really does look good, so why are some of our most public facing legends and fans still hell bent on criticising in public? Sure if things were all going pear shaped etc, 'guidance' from the outside and comment and analysis might be appropriate but now? Surely we all want the same thing, a vibrant and successful club - yes we all have different opinion on what approach should be taken, but if the results are looking good can we really still be looking for negatives all the time? What is more important to Matt? A succcessful Saints - challenging for promotion, with an excellent investmnet and infrastructure plan, financial stabilty and a strong squad working well under a good manager, or getting the hump because of the no availablity of 7 tickets? - Sorry but it has to be said again, he would have NO trouble getting 10 or 20 tickets for any other game, just not one that is massively over subscribed... so why the press leak? It does not make sense. Spot on. Brilliant post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 A ridiculous comment. Would you like a CEO like Lowe or Wilde again ? And I reckon getting us into the Champions League would match some of Mattys achievements. That really is a ridiculous comment! MLT kept us up in the PL for years and scored some of the greatest goals ever seen. He is one of a kind in a league of his own. If Cortese is with us for 17 or more years and we win the PL a few times then maybe we might start to mention him in the same breath as MLT. I think Cortese's problem is the size of his ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Cortese is a **** for allowing MLT to have 3 tickets?? WoW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 There should be a club policy regarding both players and ex-players. The players and ex-players and the staff (not just one member of staff) should know the policy. Would Cortese really be personally involved in how many MLT wanted at the time he asked for them? If he was then it sounds like he had made it clear at some point that he was not happy with making exceptions for MLT. I get the impression NC thinks the history of Saints began the day he took over running the club for the new owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 I was speculating whether they would attend, not whether they would buy.... Fair enough but I hardly think Matty will be alone in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Cortese is a **** Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 So three tickets don't go to supporters on the data base. If LeTissier wanted to go give him a ticket, but why allow non supporters tickets, when apart from season ticket holders reserving their seats, data base members only get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 That really is a ridiculous comment! MLT kept us up in the PL for years and scored some of the greatest goals ever seen. He is one of a kind in a league of his own. If Cortese is with us for 17 or more years and we win the PL a few times then maybe we might start to mention him in the same breath as MLT. I think Cortese's problem is the size of his ego. Cant fault the point on MLT at all. But he never won us a League title, or a cup. He kept a team that should have been relegated many times higher than there station. If Coretese leads the club back to the same level and we stay there for 17 years then he will still be behind the status of MLT IMO as still the credit will go to those on the pitch more than those in the board room. But he has said he wants success in Champions league football! If the club achieve that in his tenure then surly a big chunk of credit would go to him for getting us there? Credit would still go to the players for doing the job but if the Chairman says thats the direction we are going and we get there then it is no fluke and he should be credited for it. Would that level of success not put him in the same regard as MLT, Laurie Mac, and Ted Bates? I think it would personally. I would be as shocked and amazed as the next man if we actually make it there mind but for anyone to lead us to those levels then they would automatically be raised to legend status for bringing a level of success to our club that has never been seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Fair enough but I hardly think Matty will be alone in that one. Agree. There will indeed be lots of 'part-time' supporters in the same boat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Sorry but it has to be said again' date=' he would have NO trouble getting 10 or 20 tickets for any other game, just not one that is massively over subscribed... so why the press leak? It does not make sense.[/quote'] How do we know it was Le Tissier (directly) who leaked it to the press....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Seems like a complete non-issue as far as I can see. Also shows that football legends sometimes should keep their mouths shut and bask in their past glories instead of making cheap political points in a rag. I have great regard for MLT as a player an dall he did for Saints, but he is just showing again that he is naive, similarly to his comments in his book. I wonder how many tickets other legends have requested and been granted, people without the financial clout or the means as a Sky commentator that MLT has. I bet Ron Davies hasn't phoned up and expected 10 tickets for him and his mates, or Nick Holmes or even Mick. The article comes over to me as showing that MLT is just trying to score points against NC, as he explains in the last paragraph, it is down to the bad blood the two have. I would prefer it if MLT and NC were mates and all was hunky dory but it certainly won't upset me if they aren't. I'm not sure I believe all the stuff in the article about the person responsible not getting back to him because they were busy with the Guly transfer, but if it is even a bit true then quite honestly I am glad they got their priorities right, because it is more important for th future success of the club to get Guly signed than it is giving tickets to an ex-player and TV pundit so that his mates can come to a game. Sorry if this offends some, but quite honestly MLT is making himself look silly again IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 This sort of things makes us look laughing stock right across the country .............! Don't worry mate the morons that read the Star wont remember it by the time they get to the front page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Matt's a legend to me and loads of us from his era - to NC he is someone who was part of a competitive consortium that almost derailed his own bid. ? Let me ask again, was it not the administrator ignoring the ML bid that almost derailed the ML bid? Mat put his name to a consortium that was trying to buy AND save the club. It fell through, not his fault he backed the wrong people, and certainly not his fault the administrator failed to talk to all parties in full keeping options fully open. Another point is that the Star report says `friends and family'. As I recall his family used to come and watch the Saints games all the time. I suppose that is probably not the case now, but they were all Saints fans that's for sure. Who is to say he asked for ten, found out that you needed customer numbers so reduced it to three as he had three customer numbers. If I was Le Tiss, I'd go straight to the ticket office to buy tickets and not queue up on the phones. His efforts deserve at least that personal attention surely? By the way he is NOT asking for free tickets he just wanted to buy ten. Hardly taking the ****. Him and Cortese need to bury the hatchet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 or stay out of the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 There should be a club policy regarding both players and ex-players. The players and ex-players and the staff (not just one member of staff) should know the policy. Would Cortese really be personally involved in how many MLT wanted at the time he asked for them? If he was then it sounds like he had made it clear at some point that he was not happy with making exceptions for MLT. I get the impression NC thinks the history of Saints began the day he took over running the club for the new owner. i suppose to a degree, it is a new club and in NC's position nothing that went before our administration really has anything to do with the Phoenix that came from the ashes. I still believe in the clubs history is relevant but perhaps NC and ML didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 (edited) What a shame if true. I'm a massive fan of Mr Cortese but Le Tissier shouldn't be messed around; if he wants tickets, bloody give 'em to him Lots of growing up to do on both sides though, to be fair... agree 100% Crab Lungs. It's fairly clear that MLT had the clubs best at heart and stood up for the " Pinnacle bid" - even though we now know they sold him a bill of goods with no financing behind it. He wasn't going to have "some unknown foreign outfit no-one had ever heard of, buying up our club and doing G*d knows what with it, and in ignorance of the alternatives many of us agreed with him. I also smelt some behind the scenes skullduggery on the part of the Administrator who went way past his brief in an attempt to favour the Pinnacle camp, by not examining "other bids" closely enough. My first reaction to hearing a SWISS was going to buy our club was surprise and suspicion. In retrospect it was the finest thing that could have happened. However, it's clear that NC was pretty miffed at having his cash on the table offer in May, delayed/ignored/ overlooked in favour of the "other bid" and as I recall there were a lot of hot words from some members of the Pinnacle camp in the intervening period. Net result; the "dislike" of these two men (for each other) is bordering on shameful. Each in their own way are irreplaceable. Cortese is undoubtedly the best Chairman /owner this club has ever seen, (administration-wise) and (when successful will have access to huge sums from sources to finance the future.) MLT is one of the best-loved players of the last 25 years, and has a special place in many hearts. It needs a patient, diplomatic person to take them both to dinner and heal the wounds over a good bottle of something. Edited 21 January, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Seems like a complete non-issue as far as I can see. Also shows that football legends sometimes should keep their mouths shut and bask in their past glories instead of making cheap political points in a rag. I have great regard for MLT as a player an dall he did for Saints, but he is just showing again that he is naive, similarly to his comments in his book. I wonder how many tickets other legends have requested and been granted, people without the financial clout or the means as a Sky commentator that MLT has. I bet Ron Davies hasn't phoned up and expected 10 tickets for him and his mates, or Nick Holmes or even Mick. The article comes over to me as showing that MLT is just trying to score points against NC, as he explains in the last paragraph, it is down to the bad blood the two have. I would prefer it if MLT and NC were mates and all was hunky dory but it certainly won't upset me if they aren't. I'm not sure I believe all the stuff in the article about the person responsible not getting back to him because they were busy with the Guly transfer, but if it is even a bit true then quite honestly I am glad they got their priorities right, because it is more important for th future success of the club to get Guly signed than it is giving tickets to an ex-player and TV pundit so that his mates can come to a game. Sorry if this offends some, but quite honestly MLT is making himself look silly again IMHO. That all sounds pretty fair. I am not going to get into the rights or wrongs of each individual, because I don't know what part Cortese even had in this. I see the quotes from Matt, but am wondering how relevant they are. I would like to see Cortese offer more respect to Matt, but since Cortese's first encounter with Matt, I can hardly say he has gone out of his way to endear himself to Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 I hate to say this but Matt needs to take a long hard look at himself over this. 10 tickets is pushing it a bit and I'm sure he could have got 3 or 4 without a fuss and without playing the victim.Every single Saints supporter would agree that Matt should be welcomed into the club any time he wants, but that does not give him the right to stamp his feet like this. He is a wealthy man, with contacts in the football club, the game as a whole and the media, I've no doubt he could have got a few tickets through these contacts without dragging the club through more press nonsense. The wider debate about freebees is a tricky one. Do you have to be a legend to get a free ticket? Who decides whether you were good enough to qualify, is David Speedie entittled to a free ticket, what about Paul Telfer? My mates Dad played for the Skates in the 60's. He used to get 2 free tickets anytime he wanted until they were promoted. They then let him have 1 free ticket. Perhaps the club could have a set number and the first explayers to apply get them. Either that or they all pay for themselves, unless a guest of honour or like PR & NH's before Blackpool doing some sort of interview on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 think fact that it was 10 makes MLT not look too great in all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Only Saints fans would take what is really a non issue and use it to harp and criticise their own...either Matt or NC.... mind numbing really. Matt has got tickets - he has not been banned or excluded, but a restriction on number has been placed on it - which given the demand for the game is surely understandable FFS? Yes the apir should let bygones be bygones - afterall as some have pointed out at the Matt was just trying to help - although as I understand it it was Pinnacle who approached him rather than the other way round... and had Matt not been involved in Pinnacle, I suspect that he would not ahve any issue with NC. And remember NC was NOT critical of Matt personally but quite rightly merely expressed some frustration that the deal was so delayed by the PINNACLE deal that was given preferential treatment - ONLY because Crouch suppoorted them with the half mill... NC was ineefct more critical of the administrators if you read his comments correctly. Since then Matt has been publivc about his criticisms... now as a 'journalist' and analyst in the media that is fine as its his job and he is entitled to his opinions. But by doing so, he also needs to understand that it will impact on his relationship wit the club when it comes to preferntial treatment - thats only natural and human. The issue of whether as an explayer he should begiven access to tickets way in excess of what the avergae fan could expect is a completely seperate issue and nothing to do with 'snub' or overwise. To then have this story appear in the papers seems really odd. Matt is a true footballing Saints legend and nothing will detract form what he gave to our club... but that does not make him immune to any criticism or immune from actng IMHO wrongly, by washing this dirty laundry in public... I simply do not understand what his aim would be by this. Any fan right now, irresepctive of their opinions of NC should be looking at the table, our recent form, teh good work NIgel has done, the investment in Staplewood, the Lallana and Guly contracts, the promotional potential and recognise that whatever some may think of NC, things have got SO MUCH better than where we were when they took over - the future really does look good, so why are some of our most public facing legends and fans still hell bent on criticising in public? Sure if things were all going pear shaped etc, 'guidance' from the outside and comment and analysis might be appropriate but now? Surely we all want the same thing, a vibrant and successful club - yes we all have different opinion on what approach should be taken, but if the results are looking good can we really still be looking for negatives all the time? What is more important to Matt? A succcessful Saints - challenging for promotion, with an excellent investmnet and infrastructure plan, financial stabilty and a strong squad working well under a good manager, or getting the hump because of the no availablity of 7 tickets? - Sorry but it has to be said again, he would have NO trouble getting 10 or 20 tickets for any other game, just not one that is massively over subscribed... so why the press leak? It does not make sense. wholeheartedly agree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 think fact that it was 10 makes MLT not look too great in all this Indeed,the thread title should be changed to Le Tissier snubbed far more than his fair share of tickets for United game ?? snubbed ticket(note singular...which is nothing to do with the number actually requested) Wouldn't be at all surprised if he was trying to get tickets for his mate Tony Lynam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Also we dont know whether Matt was planning to go himself, or just get some tickets for mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 That really is a ridiculous comment! MLT kept us up in the PL for years and scored some of the greatest goals ever seen. He is one of a kind in a league of his own. If Cortese is with us for 17 or more years and we win the PL a few times then maybe we might start to mention him in the same breath as MLT. I think Cortese's problem is the size of his ego. I think the problem is with the mentality that its either or - this has absolutely nothing to do with legend v chairman who has been here five minutes and we shoudl not get dragged into a debate about who we owe more to... it has feck all to do the the issue, and can only really be answered fairly in about 20 years when the relevent contributions everyone makes can be viewed in the appropriate perspective. Questions are really seperate 1. Should Matt and NC forget about the whole pinnacle thing? YES 2. Should Matt be allowed to say what he likes in public about the club good and bad? YES - he is in a journo/media pundit role 3. If he says bad things, should that be ignored by the club when he needs a favour? - up to you as we all have different opinions, but I believe any 'negatives at a time when everything seems to be going well seems to be churlish... or hints at sour grapes... would you keep doing favours for folk who sad things 'behind your back' even if they had been v good to you in the past? 4. Should he be able to get 10 tickets - not just 3 for a massively over subscribed game? Personnaly no, afterall he could bring his mates to another game where we have plenty of seats, surely? 5. Given that we are 3rd in L1 with a game in hand over 2nd spot, have signed Guly, Lallana, have invested in Staplewood, have a staple financial situation and a secure futurr, it should be seen as a positive by all fans? Obviously, even if we dont all agree on method/approach, we cant argue with the facts and results really do matter 6. Why did this get leeked? I see no reason for it, especially not if we are all agreed that the job the club is doing right now is not fecking bad... just cause silly trouble... i would hope Matt had nothing to do with it - and it was just one of his mates... 7. NC and ego? Possibly, but so has Matt. Matt is entitled to his because of his brilliance and dedication to the club, NC is entitled to his because from where I am sitting hes done a great job so far... So what is fecking problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 **** me! 2 pages of something that was written in The Star!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 **** me! 2 pages of something that was written in The Star!!! Gives a few people an easy shot at Cortese. Plus I think the apparent bad blood between NC and MLT is something that troubles a lot of supporters at a time when things are looking better than they have done in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Him and Cortese need to bury the hatchet. Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Let's all watch the game at the pub with Matt Le Tiss: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_175624202479024#!/home.php?sk=group_175624202479024 Invite your friends. I'll get a taxi with you Rory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Very sad, big fan of Matt I have met him a number of times over the years, this has been simmering for some time. I was surprised and disappointed to see him wearing an Eastleigh kit on the Soccer Saturday Christmas special with the Tyro Teams. Matt was co-managing Baddesley Park with Paul Merson, who was proudly wearing his Pompey kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 So basically he didn't want a ticket for himself, he wanted 10 tickets for his friends? Obviously a huge MLT fan but if he wants to get friends in the game maybe he should buy a box or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Matt is doing himself no favours by continually sniping away in public. Don't get me wrong, he is an absolute legend but where do you draw the line as to what ex players/ex staff etc etc get for free, how much they get etc ? I don't understand the bad blood that has risen between them but is it really so wrong IF cortese has stopped Matt getting tickets (which i doubt) after he has recieved a great deal of sh*t from MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Why are people banging on about what ex-players want to get for free, the article clearly stated he wanted to BUY 10 tickets. The way Cortese is treating Le Tiss is a disgrace IMO, not just that it's ****ing dumb. The wise thing to do would be to give him some complimentary tickets to the board room, put all the takeover crap behind them, have a chat with the guy and pick his brains about football, the media etc. How can there be any doubt that Matt Le Tiss adds value to the SFC brand? How can SFC expect players like Chamberlain to be loyal to the club when loyalty is obviously a trait they do not value themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 Why are people banging on about what ex-players want to get for free, the article clearly stated he wanted to BUY 10 tickets. The way Cortese is treating Le Tiss is a disgrace IMO, not just that it's ****ing dumb. The wise thing to do would be to give him some complimentary tickets to the board room, put all the takeover crap behind them, have a chat with the guy and pick his brains about football, the media etc. How can there be any doubt that Matt Le Tiss adds value to the SFC brand? How can SFC expect players like Chamberlain to be loyal to the club when loyalty is obviously a trait they do not value themselves. To a certain degree you're right. Cortese and MLT should bury the hatchet, but either one of them could start the process off, it's not just NC. It would have been nice to see him get a couple of tickets to the boardroom and sit next to NC. We should value MLT. We should also value NC. Both are very important - MLT to our past and NC to our future (I honestly believe his continued interest is critical for the club - if he was to go I'd feel very, very nervous). I do think MLTs request for 10 tickets is a bit steep, and is a tad unreasonable IMHO. The club have sold him 3 which is ok. They've met his request. Job done. Unfortunately the problem seems to go back to Pinnacle. I don't doubt MLT had the clubs survival at the heart of his efforts - that's indisputable. However, every Saints fan with a brain could see that Fialka was a con man as soon as he appeared on Sky. The way Matty continues to maintain (well, he did in his book) that they could have bought the club and only the threat of additional points from the FL stopped them is, frankly, naive. If he does really still think that in his heart of hearts then fair enough, but it demonstrates that he has poor business sense. I think he'd be better served to come out and say that he realises now that there was no substance, and he was a bit of a chump for getting involved with that group. Surely he sees that Markus was a much better proposition and, if he knew Markus was involved, he should have shown his love of the club and got Pinnacle to step aside for the greater good. He may not have known of course, and the Administrator should have chosen more wisely. For the good of the club, both men would be / should be advised to thrash out the issues and work together. Egos to one side puhlease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 21 January, 2011 Share Posted 21 January, 2011 This incident is indicative of the attitude since the takeover. All fans appreciate where we are and where we are aiming to get. BUT, we do have a history - it didn't start with the takeover. Every other ground you go to or see on TV has tributes to their 'greats' including named stands, suites, gates etc. We have an (excellent) statue of the father figure of the club which was funded by one of those that the present administration choses to snub and was erected before their arrival. It is time for these issues to be properly addressed so that we never lose our past which for the most part is something to be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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