alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 My opinion is, we should be good enough to bury a team languishing in 20th place one way or the other. So why all the anguishing at SMS ? Do they think it would affect the price for a replacement player if the injury status of a given player is in the public domain ?
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Posted 20 January, 2011 Yes....... So you dont rate our team that highly then....
saintedwill Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 I'd guess it gives us an advantage to keep the other team guessing because they will be more concerned about who's playing for us than we are about who's playing for them. Even if it gives us a slight advantage, it's good practice for when we're in higher leagues where a slight advantage could be the difference between a win and a draw.
saintedwill Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 and just to use the word again - advantage
Pancake Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Do they think it would affect the price for a replacement player if the injury status of a given player is in the public domain ? Yes....... So you dont rate our team that highly then.... How do you reach the conclusion that "paris" doesnt rate our team when he is stating he believe SFC think that proving information on long term injuries drives the price of replacements ups? FFS
buctootim Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 (edited) Adkins once likened a footie match to a battle, and hes right imo. No general would announce to the opposition exactly what his tactics are going to be nor what units he has at his disposal - and few people would diasgree. Surprise is an important advantage. No different in football. Edited 20 January, 2011 by buctootim
Saint Troy Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 yes - and i do rate our team. do you feel as though we should be giving teams a one goal start, or do you not rate our team high enough? not meaning to sound arsey but an advantage is an advantage so why give it away?
rallyboy Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 personally I think we should take any advantage we can against opposition of any quality. If that means Tranmere spend all week working on systems to reduce the effectiveness of a player who won't even be there or are caught out when someone they thought was injured appears, that suits me fine. If that gives them a fright when the team sheet appears even better. And yes we should be good enough, but let's not take anything for granted, let's do everything right in the build up. I'm sure man Utd won't be taken us for granted and just rolling up on the day for a kickabout. The Cortese/Adkins quiet and professional approach is refreshing. It means that when you hear rumours about signings/injuries you can be pretty sure they are made up.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 There are a few players who have a massive impact on how we play - the likes of Lallana and Lambert so we're wise to keep quiet about those two. The rest, not so much.
Big Bad Bob Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 personally I think we should take any advantage we can against opposition of any quality. If that means Tranmere spend all week working on systems to reduce the effectiveness of a player who won't even be there or are caught out when someone they thought was injured appears, that suits me fine. If that gives them a fright when the team sheet appears even better. And yes we should be good enough, but let's not take anything for granted, let's do everything right in the build up. I'm sure man Utd won't be taken us for granted and just rolling up on the day for a kickabout. The Cortese/Adkins quiet and professional approach is refreshing. It means that when you hear rumours about signings/injuries you can be pretty sure they are made up. This
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Posted 20 January, 2011 How do you reach the conclusion that "paris" doesnt rate our team when he is stating he believe SFC think that proving information on long term injuries drives the price of replacements ups? FFS I suspected his answer was in response to the thread title, not the content of my post.
Joensuu Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 So witholding injury information is interpreted as not having faith in the strength of the team, as opposed to it possibly providing us with another small advantage? Hate to play the player, but isn't it rather strange logic for someone to argue that we definately need to strengthen in one thead, then start a thread arguing that becauise our team are already so strong we shouldn't need to be looking for any further tactical advantages (however small)?
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 It matters not that we should be able to beat Tranmere irrespective of letting them know that we have injuries. What matters is that we give ourselves every possible advantange and if that means keeping schtum then keep schtum.
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Posted 20 January, 2011 So witholding injury information is interpreted as not having faith in the strength of the team, as opposed to it possibly providing us with another small advantage? Hate to play the player, but isn't it rather strange logic for someone to argue that we definately need to strengthen in one thead, then start a thread arguing that becauise our team are already so strong we shouldn't need to be looking for any further tactical advantages (however small)? What ??? I was talking about strength to get promoted over the next 22 games. This is about beating Tranmere over one game when they are 20th.
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Any advantage is worth taking... Especially a it costs nothing
The9 Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Why tell them anything if it helps them ? Hell, I run a Sunday League side which puts match reports on the internet and I won't even allow us to describe which side we put our penalties in the reports just in case. There's nothing wrong with being professional. Any advantage.
S-Clarke Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 As others have said, whatever level you're at you gain as many advantages as you can. If the oppo don't know about our team and we can suprise them, then good plan. It's not about us not being good enough either, it's just being clever and doing anything possible to get the win. Not sure what the issue is with this tbh. It's not like as fans we really need to know the team until it's on the pitch, if Adkins knows it and he's training them well then there is nothing to worry about.
SFC Forever Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 I go along with this. Let Nigel pick a team that wins and we are all happy.
shirleysfc Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Yes our squad is good enough, but there's no harm in increasing our advantage by keeping injury news private. There isn't any anguish in SMS re this, only with with people who want to put money on our first goal scorer more than 30 mins before kick off.
The9 Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Yes our squad is good enough, but there's no harm in increasing our advantage by keeping injury news private. There isn't any anguish in SMS re this, only with with people who want to put money on our first goal scorer more than 30 mins before kick off. The team's usually announced on twitter just under an hour before kick off anyway... and a few minutes before that the Official Saints twitter is saying "waiting for teamsheets but expecting KD, DH, JF etc..." and it hasn't been wrong yet. So we usually know by 2:10pm either way.
niceandfriendly Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Definitely the best way to go about it. Teams have to prepare all week to face players who may be injured, so why give them the advantage of knowing not to prepare for Lallana if Lallana is injured? Let the buggars waste their time preparing for Lallana (or anyone else for that matter).
Window Cleaner Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 The team's usually announced on twitter just under an hour before kick off anyway... and a few minutes before that the Official Saints twitter is saying "waiting for teamsheets but expecting KD, DH, JF etc..." and it hasn't been wrong yet. So we usually know by 2:10pm either way. You can usually work out the team (within a small margin of error) by looking at the build-up video on Player.So from Thursday late afternoon onwards it's 90% sure.
AussieDog Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 It's nice to know.....but does it make any real difference to us whether we know beforehand or not? What advantage is there for Saints if they DO announce injuries beforehand?
niceandfriendly Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 You can usually work out the team (within a small margin of error) by looking at the build-up video on Player.So from Thursday late afternoon onwards it's 90% sure. the only thing you can learn from the video on Saints Player is that the camera man can't take the lens off Anthony Pulis. It's very bizarre how much they focus on him in those videos.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Another advantage would be having a half decent ref this time.
SFKA South Woodford Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 It makes sod all difference to the opposition if their manager wants to keep his job for longer than a couple of weeks, he should prepare his team for both eventualities. And given that we are a hell of a lot more potent as an attacking force with Lallana than without him, his job of preparation for that eventuality will be a lot easier. As someone said on the Lallana injury thread, football is a big community where a lot of people know each other well enough to talk about these issues, so I doubt Lallanas injury is much of a secret to opposition managers anyway. Also given that the injury only occurred just over a week ago, that Tranmere would have had a scout at Boundary Park and that Les Parry is a qualified physio he will almost certainly know the extent of Lallanas injury and how long he will be out for. So the only people who are really in the dark about the extent of Adams injury are the fans, and the only purpose that serves is to make sure ticket sales stay strong, as people will know we have only a slim chance of beating Utd anyway and almost none without Lallana. Brighton haven't kept their injuries secret and it's done them no harm, they still keep getting results.
Barry the Badger Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Tranmere would have had a scout at Boundary Park and that Les Parry is a qualified physio he will almost certainly know the extent of Lallanas injury and how long he will be out for.. So you think that a physio can see somebody hobbling off a pitch from a distance and immediately know what they've done and how long it will take to heal? Wow! You've seen better physio's than I have.
LGTL Posted 20 January, 2011 Posted 20 January, 2011 Any advantage is worth taking... Especially a it costs nothing Exactly, if the advantage is only 1 goal, i'd rather win 0-2 then 0-1. That could be the difference come the end of the season, who knows?
SFKA South Woodford Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 I guess Les Parry got lucky with working out how to play us when we don't have Lallana in the team, since according to some on here he will of been preparing all week to face Lallana. Even after Adkins comments yesterday, I still think it's going to be a few more weeks to a month until Lallana is back in the team, which will mean more points lost and more ground to make up on the other teams. Whilst I agree that we wont find a like for like replacement for Lallana as he's a class above this league, Adkins needs to sign a player able to run at the opposition whilst keeping possession, thus drawing opposition players out and creating space for Guly and Lambert. Perhaps we should try to beat the premier boys to the chase and put in a bid for Jennings? Before anyone says 'Chamberlain', 1. it's a big ask for the lad to be our only source of creativity and 2. it's looking as though his head has been turned anyway, as his past two performances have been well below par.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 If we need someone to help us retain possession, then Dale Jennings isn't our man. He gave the ball away far too much today, particularly in the second half, through silly flicks and blind passes.
NickG Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 may give some advantage... certainly can't harm..makes sense to keep quiet
alpine_saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Author Posted 22 January, 2011 Well that was tediously predictable wasn't it. How's that then ? You resurrected this thread, not me. And I havent referred to it anywhere since the end of the game.
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