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[Thedelldays]

lol. if you really think we did this as some altruistic fight against evil you are a simpleton.

 

"killing his own people..." - aside from the pedantic view that they weren't his own people, Saddam was a Sunni and those he murdered were overwhelmingly Shias and Kurds, this doesn't stack up in any way as an explanation as to why Gulf War 2 started. When he gassed the Kurds in the 80s the West did nothing, hell we even supplied weapons! When he put down the Marsh Arabs the West merely enforced a no fly zone having recently decided not to take him out even though his army was in tatters.

 

"threatning surrounding countrys with his posturing" - any country bordering Iran would be giving it large. Look at the rhetoric coming from the USA at Iran and they're 1000s of miles away.

 

 

so, what are you saying...we should have invaded Iraq and hung saddam sooner..?

 

as for Iran, they are trying to use weapons grade enriched uraniam 235 for what ever purpose....they are using a vast chain of companies within companies purchasing items from all over the world..

even here in the UK....one of the security services mandate is "anti proliferation"....and they stop (or try to) companies buying "products" here in the UK that end up back in Iran.....(the security services we have do a bloody fantastic job by the way..)

 

what they do with such power...who knows

Edited 21 January, 2011 by Thedelldays

[OldNick]

This. Although for some reason the hard of thinking Right don't seem to understand.

 

Blair and his ilk took us to war and the left / center were set four square against it.

 

They also seem to forget that the Labour government had to rely to Tory votes in the HoC to go to war as many Labour backbenchers voted against it.

the problem is though, the opposition parties at the time were fed a pack of lies by the labour leader

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

so, what are you saying...we should have invaded Iraq and hung saddam sooner..?

 

 

No what I'm actually saying is that the West cannot legitimately use Saddam murdering 'his own people' as the reason for invasion. It defies all logic set against the West's actual reactions at the time of the most well known instances of mass muder committed by him. When he gassed the Kurds (with munitions supplied by the West) we did nothing. When he invaded Kuwait we kicked him back out but let it him stay in power. When he put down the revolt by the Marsh Arabs we enforced a no-fly-zone but let him stay in power.

 

Likewise the argument we went to protect other countries in the region is equally stupid. Even after invading Kuwait we still let him stay in power. Most people saw through the lies peddled by the Neo-Cons, in fact part of the US military's justification for their invasion strategy came from their view that Saddam's war machine was puny.

 

Robin Cook put it much better: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2859431.stm

Edited 21 January, 2011 by anothersaintinsouthsea

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Yeah it has, especially for Great Britain. It's the duty that makes it expensive

 

Thanks for that Einstein I didn't realise that duty got applied to petrol prices. Wow, every time you post you set new standards in stupidity. Are you really suggesting that the Iraq War made oil cheaper? seriously? You know there is this thing called the Internet and it lets you reasearch all sorts of topics really quickly. I've just had a quick look which, shock horror!, tells a different story.

 

The Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz estimate the the Iraq War inflated oil prices by an average of $10 per barrel http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html Have a look and see if you can find anything credible that show oil prices went down as a result of the Iraq War.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Thanks for that Einstein I didn't realise that duty got applied to petrol prices. Wow, every time you post you set new standards in stupidity. Are you really suggesting that the Iraq War made oil cheaper? seriously? You know there is this thing called the Internet and it lets you reasearch all sorts of topics really quickly. I've just had a quick look which, shock horror!, tells a different story.

 

The Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz estimate the the Iraq War inflated oil prices by an average of $10 per barrel http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html Have a look and see if you can find anything credible that show oil prices went down as a result of the Iraq War.

 

Don't blind dunce's agenda with facts please.