Fan The Flames Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 I'll take a wild guess there were some Arsenal fans there last night booing. Probably but just from this thread alone you can gauge the dislike of Cole and the Arsenal fans wouldn't have been on their own booing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Call Night Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 For me Ashley Cole epitomises everything bad about top football players in general. He is overpaid, arrogant (based on the press reports - not a good example), gives very little back to the game is frequently injured and is at best a decent premiership player, not world class as many like to believe. His shortcomings are his lack of ability to cross a ball, his limp jump-in style of tackling and his general passing ability. Many Chelsea supporters I have spoken to thinks he only turns up to the big games and that he is no better than Bridge. Compare him to Beckham and Beckham is twice the player and twice the man Cole is or ever will be. As for booing players during the game, perhaps they should realise that maybe they are not putting in the performance expected of them and buck their ideas up, this was true of Wright and Euell last year where the latter went through 6-8 games of mediocricy before upping his performance towards the end of the year. As one of the highest paid players in the club his level of performance should reflect that and management and fans are right to expect it. With the youngsters it is slightly different - I beleive they have all put in honest performances this season and that there has been no booing during the games. There was one poor games against Barnsley where a few booed at the end, but again how do the so called pundits expect us to voice our displeasure at below par performances? As with Beckham for England, all players are pretty well paid nowadays by normal standards, players need to earn the respect of the crowd and then they need to entertain them. That will ensure the loyal support we saw when Beckham came off the bench yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 Footie fans don't like Cole he is everything that is wrong with football today he is arrogant, overpaid, acts like a total w...er, did the dirty on his missus and lords it like he is someone special. Sorry booing is not the answer but he is so far remote from the true fan that maybe he should look at himself now and again and then maybe he may see why nobody likes him apart from a few Chelsea fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 I think every pundit so far has missed the point on this one. This is not about generally scapegoating England players, or about the hatred of Chelsea. It's about Ashley Cole, and the fact that he's generally loathed. The pass-back just gave the fans the opportunity to express what they generally think of him. He does however personify what most people hate about modern Premiership footballers - and their perceived traits: greed, overblown ego, celebrity, amorality - but he is one of the worst culprits imho. You missed out arrogance and a total contempt for almost everyone else. An execrable human being, but a good left back, until the backpass.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 Ashley Cole wouldn't have been booed for a silly mistake if he wasn't such a complete ****. He typifies so many of the things wrong with modern football and he's an easy target for football fans, so non chelsea fans despise the little ****. IMO he's extremely overrated anyway, but he's clearly a thick little chav, and an extremely greedy one at that. So that's why I laughed when he was being booed. No, it doesn't help anyone, but I can understand the frustration at having to support a ***** like that. That's about it. People make a general issue and point of principle from a specific example. Generally booing your team is something to avoid, but it depends on the situation. In Cole's specific situation, Adriansfc is on the money. Cole personifies the greed and self-centred-ness that is modern football. People like Cole have no time for fans until they become obliged to do 5 minutes-worth of penance occasionally. When he screws up there are many who will delight in telling him what an odious narcissistic f*wit he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 He deserves to be abused after the disgusting way he treated Cheryl Tweedy. BANG ON!! i think a lot of people are missing the point. Ashley cole is not a particularly popular figure due to his public affair etc. He's an arrogant t**t IMO, and given the opportunity I'd definately give him a bit of stick, the least he deserves. Should it have been Rio, or Upson, I'd bet your bottom dollar there would have been minimal bad reaction if any. I have Bridge over Cole any day of the week. He'd play with far more pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 Cole is a ****, I don't think he was booed enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 BANG ON!! i think a lot of people are missing the point. Ashley cole is not a particularly popular figure due to his public affair etc. He's an arrogant t**t IMO, and given the opportunity I'd definately give him a bit of stick, the least he deserves. Should it have been Rio, or Upson, I'd bet your bottom dollar there would have been minimal bad reaction if any. I have Bridge over Cole any day of the week. He'd play with far more pride. Well you may get your wish, Cole is injured for Wednesday's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 Some laughable comments on here. As some one who listened to the relentless booing of Fuller a few years back, I am sick of fans like those. Cole ****ed up, Cole will have to live with it....but to boo him as well is pathetic and Cole WILL live with it, and he wont give a s**t what people think, because thats who he is, he doesnt care about anyone but himself. I could be wrong also, but i would like to hope that most of the england players could put 2 and 2 together and realise the reason for he scale of the reaction. doesnt take a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 As others have said - Cole is just not a popular figure in any case, the boos were not for his mistake but because he's a nasty spiteful little excuse for a man. He's everything that makes modern day football so bad, he has no principles or ethics and is self, self, self. I like the fact that Rio Ferdinand chooses to take the moral high ground with it all too, the likes of him and Cole all **** in the same pot and I do not need to be given a ticking off from a drugs cheat. I don't boo England players as a rule, but there are certain ones, like Cole who I really couldnt give a toss about. Do people really expect us to care that his feelings may have been hurt? Do you think he gave a toss when we didn't qualify for the Euros? If he doesn't like it then he can retire from the England set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 You cannot compare England fans booing England to Saints fans booing Saints. At Wembley on Saturday, it would have been the Arsenal/United fans mainly who were booing him, and the Chelsea fans who clapped him. He was being booed by fans of other clubs because he's a Chelsea player. When Saints players are getting booed (and it doesn't happen as often as people think) it's because they've put in a completely effortless, ineffectual performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 When Saints players are getting booed (and it doesn't happen as often as people think) it's because they've put in a completely effortless, ineffectual performance. Sounds good but I've witnessed Saints players being booed when they are coming on as a substitute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 Also, because of the Wembly locality, I should imagine that many Arsenal fans go to the England games and Arsenal fans cannot abide AC because of the way he dumped them, which then leads to the money aspect which was the overiding reason why he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 I think every pundit so far has missed the point on this one. This is not about generally scapegoating England players, or about the hatred of Chelsea. It's about Ashley Cole, and the fact that he's generally loathed. The pass-back just gave the fans the opportunity to express what they generally think of him. He does however personify what most people hate about modern Premiership footballers - and their perceived traits: greed, overblown ego, celebrity, amorality - but he is one of the worst culprits imho. Spot on...AC respresents everything that is currently wrong with the game. With regard to booing being a new phenomenon...i think not. Saints fans have always liked to single out a player...I can remember Benali being booed most weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 I think every pundit so far has missed the point on this one. This is not about generally scapegoating England players, or about the hatred of Chelsea. It's about Ashley Cole, and the fact that he's generally loathed. The pass-back just gave the fans the opportunity to express what they generally think of him. He does however personify what most people hate about modern Premiership footballers - and their perceived traits: greed, overblown ego, celebrity, amorality - but he is one of the worst culprits imho. Very true... I'd also add Rio Ferdinand and Frank Lampard to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bazza Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 Sounds good but I've witnessed Saints players being booed when they are coming on as a substitute! I can remember Steve Baker getting booed when his was being named as our sub - before the game!!! Booing has been around for donkeys years - I really dont know why some people on this forum seem to think its only just been invented..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 Why are we still debating Ashley Cole on a SFC forum?? seems that the usual rules are being ignored for the sake of retaining viewers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 13 October, 2008 Share Posted 13 October, 2008 I think the problem is that, in the West, we've learnt to celebrate the finer things in life but lost sight of the idea of earning them. It's all about the reward - not the hard work that gets you there. It's not that I think British people in general hate success but that we hate those who seem to get it cheap and ride it for all it's worth. We respect footballers who have used whatever talent they have (no matter how little or how much) and begrudge those who squander it while getting their chops plastered all over the inside of OK magazine one week or falling out of a nightclub with a couple of strippers the next. Market forces mean it's entirely possible for a player with talent to get 200,000 a week even if that sort of money makes no sense in the real world. If you get paid that kind of superhuman money, however, then people are going to ask harder questions about your personality or behaviour than if you were on a more modest wage, and will be that more readily to crucify you when you screw up. That's part of the payoff you get by taking the big money. You don't get that money for free: It is a trade off. I work on short contracts and had a similar discussion with my agent when I renewed my contract with my current employer. He begrudged the fact that I questioned what he was exactly he was doing for me and why he thought he deserved 3x the cut of other agents. I pointed out that if he wanted three times the cut, then his work would have to be of a higher standard than those taking a smaller cut. If he had the same cut, I wouldn't have been arguing. If he wanted the easy life without being questioned over the quality of his work, then he shouldn't have taken the p1ss with his margin. It's not rocket science. That said, I think ordinary people only have themselves to blame for putting people like Ashley Cole where they are. If people really are willing to buy magazines like OK and Hello just to see a three page spread of Theo Walcott's second bathroom or buy celebrity news magazines so we can see if Britney Spears has spontaneously combusted this week or which brain-dead twenty-something socialite is currently pummeling Paris Hilton's much-rutted mimsy, then we've only ourselves to blame. You only get the heroes and heroines you explicitly ask for. If you celebrate w*nkers, then you can't turn around and complain when that's exactly what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 FA missing the point over Cole The Wembley crowd did not boo Ashley Cole just because he made a mistake. They booed him because they cannot stand him. All Cole's awful back-pass against Kazakhstan did was present the audience with the ideal opportunity to remind him of that fact. These people are not 'crazy', as an FA spokesman complained, unless it was a reference to the ticket prices they had paid. They had no need to feel 'ashamed' about it either, despite the entreaties of Rio Ferdinand. When Cole (right) admits he was crazy to issue his revolting wage complaints on leaving Arsenal, or even to wear that hideous Bacofoil suit and flaunt his bling in OK! magazine; when he confesses he is ashamed that he turned his back on referee Mike Riley in that infamous act of petulance; maybe then, when he does all that, the English public might give him a break. In the meantime, I'd say a boo is a mild reaction. From todays Des Kelly column in the Mail. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 I think most people were booing him because he's a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 FA missing the point over Cole The Wembley crowd did not boo Ashley Cole just because he made a mistake. They booed him because they cannot stand him. All Cole's awful back-pass against Kazakhstan did was present the audience with the ideal opportunity to remind him of that fact. These people are not 'crazy', as an FA spokesman complained, unless it was a reference to the ticket prices they had paid. They had no need to feel 'ashamed' about it either, despite the entreaties of Rio Ferdinand. When Cole (right) admits he was crazy to issue his revolting wage complaints on leaving Arsenal, or even to wear that hideous Bacofoil suit and flaunt his bling in OK! magazine; when he confesses he is ashamed that he turned his back on referee Mike Riley in that infamous act of petulance; maybe then, when he does all that, the English public might give him a break. In the meantime, I'd say a boo is a mild reaction. From todays Des Kelly column in the Mail. I agree with this. Crikey - a Daily Mail article I agree with! I think Saint Clark makes a valuable point though, the fans of the other big clubs need little excuse to turn on an opposite number wearing an England jersey - remember the Liverpool sick chanting about David Beckham's young son quite a few years ago? If England played a friendly at SMS and Defoe missed a sitter, he would probably get some stick, club rivalries die hard. Cole is overrated IMO, Bridge would probably be first pick if he hadn't had the worst game I've ever seen him play V Croatia in McClaren's last game (mind you, he wasn't the only one that awful night, Carson will never make a worse mistake in his whole career). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 It seems that TSW is not the only place that has an issue with Cashley. I read this and smirked but it also made me think of BWP & Dyer...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/jimwhite/2344799/Cole-proves-his-worth-by-giving-us-the-biggest-yawn-of-the-year.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 I pretty much agree with the Daily Mail to be honest. Not only that, but if the stupid mobile phone hiding twonk gets so upset by a bit of boo'ing while collecting his 80k a week wages, then get another job. They are paid well to entertain, if for whatever reason they don't, be it directly related to football or because they are now a name that the common people know, then expect the backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 15 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2008 (edited) Listening to the England Game the commentators ALL pilloried the booing of Ashley Cole. Basically they said that he made a mistake and what do the 'Fans' believe they are accomplishing by booing him. I thought to myself, 'We do that to our own players'. So, if the professional pundits believe this is non-constructive and 'deplorable' behaviour to someone on the international stage, what would they think of us? Is it time, maybe that we kept our displeasure to the end of the game? Stop the booing when it can inpact on performance? Basically, better more experienced footballing heads than mine are discusted with the booing, should we stamp it out for our youngsters? I am really interested in your opinion, so remember only constructive, cogent debate, please. Why are we still debating Ashley Cole on a SFC forum?? seems that the usual rules are being ignored for the sake of retaining viewers? Because it corresponds with what we do with OUR players. So can I suggest you bring it back on topic with your opinion on wether we should boo our players, wether it is constructive, wether we should stamp it out. Please discuss. Edited 16 October, 2008 by Secret Site Agent Because what Totton red wants,Totten red gets, or dummies and pushchairs time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorwhitelion Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 What stood out tonight is the ongoing assumption that Cole is a better leftback than Bridge. Considering he has only played a few minutes of league football and didn't have a recognised left midfielder in front of him I though he did a sterling job at the back. And while the plaudits go to Gerrard and Rooney his role in the third goal shouldn't be overlooked. Bridge for England (and if I was a Chelsea fan I might be asking some questions as well)!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 What stood out tonight is the ongoing assumption that Cole is a better leftback than Bridge. Considering he has only played a few minutes of league football and didn't have a recognised left midfielder in front of him I though he did a sterling job at the back. And while the plaudits go to Gerrard and Rooney his role in the third goal shouldn't be overlooked. Bridge for England (and if I was a Chelsea fan I might be asking some questions as well)!!! Hopefully Cole will miss a couple of Chelsea games and Bridge can keep his place. No doubt that Cole and Terry will be fine for the next game though. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Because it corresponds with what we do with OUR players. So can I suggest you bring it back on topic with your opinion on wether we should boo our fans, wether it is constructive, wether we should stamp it out. Please discuss. Boo our fans? Now thats an interesting concept? Attendances would have to be pretty low though I would look forward to bringing my dog to the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Pointless..nothing to do with SFC so stick to usual principles and move the thread - unless of course policy has changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 October, 2008 Share Posted 16 October, 2008 Pointless..nothing to do with SFC so stick to usual principles and move the thread - unless of course policy has changed? Well it did have a reference to Saints for a while, but it's veered off so much towards its actual title, that I think I'll move it to the Lounge, where it can get a fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 16 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 October, 2008 Sorry, don't like to disagree but it is still related. I bet we still boo on Saturday our loverly youthful chaps,don't really give a **** about cole, just wanted honest opinion about why do it, that's all. Can I have a rant and rave if people start talking about saints now and demand it to be put back on the main board, if that's ok? Just don't boo our players, it's a ****ty thing to do and you are a ***** if you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 16 October, 2008 Share Posted 16 October, 2008 Booing is showing dissatisfaction with the product. This is the work of people who see themselves as customers rather than fans. There is a lot wrong with football these days and this is part of it. Fans support, customers complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 16 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 October, 2008 Booing is showing dissatisfaction with the product. This is the work of people who see themselves as customers rather than fans. There is a lot wrong with football these days and this is part of it. Fans support, customers complain. Well done. That really put it into context I feel. i like the cut of your jib, Tiggs, Lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 20 October, 2008 Share Posted 20 October, 2008 http://snoppersays.blogspot.com/ Always a pleasure to read your blogspot Snopper, and good to see Beatts doing his bit once again. I do hope he has a bad game against us though. I did come on this thread to see if anyone had seen Lawrie's article in the Daily Echo Online: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/lawriemac/3772519.Basically__the_fans_don___t_like_you__Mr_Cole/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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