If you really think we don't need to buy...

[SaintRichmond]

Yeah, **** the fans who have paid over the odds to go see the game, let's get hammered!

 

SO, on current Man Utd form, you DON'T think we will be hammered then ???

 

( Even if Man Utd play THEIR Reserves ) ... would that also be **** to the fans in your eyes ?

 

You delude yourself my friend, there will be Thousands and Thousands of "closet" Man Utd fans who will somehow get tickets for St Mary's

[ohwhenthesaints]

SO, on current Man Utd form, you DON'T think we will be hammered then ???

 

( Even if Man Utd play THEIR Reserves ) ... would that also be **** to the fans in your eyes ?

 

You delude yourself my friend, there will be Thousands and Thousands of "closet" Man Utd fans who will somehow get tickets for St Mary's

 

Of course we are most likely going to get beaten, but that's no excuse for ripping off the paying fans, is it? I'm sure there would be many ****ed off fans asking for refunds if Pulis and Forecast walk out. It is also live on television so I'd rather not let United get to double figures, thanks.

[SaintRichmond]

Of course we are most likely going to get beaten, but that's no excuse for ripping off the paying fans, is it? I'm sure there would be many ****ed off fans asking for refunds if Pulis and Forecast walk out. It is also live on television so I'd rather not let United get to double figures, thanks.

 

Enjoy the day my friend

 

Then regret the rest of the season

 

Division Three is absolutely wonderful

[alpine_saint]

Enjoy the day my friend

 

Then regret the rest of the season

 

Division Three is absolutely wonderful

 

Yep, I think the same.

 

A combination of Lallana's injury and minds on playing Manyoo cost us against Tranmere, then we get thumped by Manyoo, then we are so demoralised we lose the next 2 games, by which time automatic promotion has become a pipe dream.

[PokingFun]

Yep, I think the same.

 

A combination of Lallana's injury and minds on playing Manyoo cost us against Tranmere, then we get thumped by Manyoo, then we are so demoralised we lose the next 2 games, by which time automatic promotion has become a pipe dream.

 

I will be happy to wager that we do not lose the two games immediately following Man Yoo - care to have a tenner on it for fun / charity with me?

[Saint_clark]

I will be happy to wager that we do not lose the two games immediately following Man Yoo - care to have a tenner on it for fun / charity with me?

 

I'll join in this bet if it's for charity.

[PokingFun]

I'll join in this bet if it's for charity.

 

Cool, on what side of the fence are you sitting though my friend?! ;-)

[aintforever]

Of course we are most likely going to get beaten, but that's no excuse for ripping off the paying fans, is it? I'm sure there would be many ****ed off fans asking for refunds if Pulis and Forecast walk out. It is also live on television so I'd rather not let United get to double figures, thanks.

 

Surely it's better to rip off a bunch of plastics who turn up to watch Rooney than the proper supporters who will be travelling to Exeter the following Tuesday?

[Fan The Flames]

Yep, I think the same.

 

A combination of Lallana's injury and minds on playing Manyoo cost us against Tranmere, then we get thumped by Manyoo, then we are so demoralised we lose the next 2 games, by which time automatic promotion has become a pipe dream.

 

Loosing another two games hardley wipes out our automatic hopes, but an indifferent second half to the season will.

[kpturner]

Loosing another two games hardley wipes out our automatic hopes, but an indifferent second half to the season will.

It is LOSING not LOOSING!!!!! Sorry - it is a Monday morning thing.....oh, it is the afternoon! Edited 24 January, 2011 by kpturner

[Legod Third Coming]

Why are you being a f*cktard? The manager buys the players, trains them and chooses the tactics. It's down to the players to motivate themselves, work hard and perform.

 

So there's no point having a manager on the touchline?

 

What you seem to be saying is that Adkins is responsible for all the victories but the players are responsible for all the defeats? Is that a fair assessment?

 

I'm thinking Adkins is getting away with a shocking result scott free...

[david in sweden]

So there's no point having a manager on the touchline?

not if the players are going to ignore the game plan and make stupid mistakes !

 

What you seem to be saying is that Adkins is responsible for all the victories but the players are responsible for all the defeats? Is that a fair assessment? [COLOR="red"]The players are responsible ALL the time they are on the field, the manager is on the touchline. and being ignored.

How do you suggest NA disciplines the players ?..fines , dropping them to the bench..good for team morale -that one ! COLOR]

 

I'm thinking Adkins is getting away with a shocking result scott free...

He hasn't got away with it . He has to give the press conference afterwards, the players can hide their shame in the dressing room. Edited 25 January, 2011 by david in sweden

[Turkish]

So there's no point having a manager on the touchline?

 

What you seem to be saying is that Adkins is responsible for all the victories but the players are responsible for all the defeats? Is that a fair assessment?

 

I'm thinking Adkins is getting away with a shocking result scott free...

 

Eh? are you sure you are reply to the right person? Or did you totally miss the one where i said it was collective responsiblity? Adkins got it wrong tactically and the players were complacent. So no, it is not a fair assessment, totally wrong assessment. Maybe you should read posts properly before making assessments.

[Dig Dig]

So there's no point having a manager on the touchline?

 

What you seem to be saying is that Adkins is responsible for all the victories but the players are responsible for all the defeats? Is that a fair assessment?

 

I'm thinking Adkins is getting away with a shocking result scott free...

 

It's not a shocking result ffs. It would have hardly sent shock waves through the world of football. Whats truly shocking is the irrational reaction to every ****ing defeat. Yet we seem to ignore all the other teams around us being beat at exactly the same sort of places every week

[Turkish]

It's not a shocking result ffs. It would have hardly sent shock waves through the world of football. Whats truly shocking is the irrational reaction to every ****ing defeat. Yet we seem to ignore all the other teams around us being beat at exactly the same sort of places every week

 

I am amazed Arsene Wenger kept his job after Arsenal lost at Ipswich two weeks ago, they really need to sign 7 more players if they are to make the champions league this season.

[Legod Third Coming]

It's not a shocking result ffs. It would have hardly sent shock waves through the world of football. Whats truly shocking is the irrational reaction to every ****ing defeat. Yet we seem to ignore all the other teams around us being beat at exactly the same sort of places every week

 

It is a poor result.

 

If Chelsea go to Wigan and lose it is a poor result. Ancelotti is critcised and rightly so. That is my only point.

 

I admire Adkins. I think he will do a great job here.

 

But a proportion of our fans accept a defeat by Adkins that would have been unacceptable under Pardew, which is frankly bonkers. And then blame everyone bar the bloke who picked the team, tactics and set them out to play.

 

Likewise, some fans (you) thinks it's ok for a 10/20 million worth of talent to get rolled over by Tranmere? How does that attitude get us into the Premiership exactly?

 

We lack consistency and until we don't we will struggle to be promoted with the ease which our resources should deliver.

 

I laud Adkins when he does well and slate him when he doesn't. Seems fair to me, since that's how my job operates. We all live and learn, after all. Just some things we should have learned by now...

[Johnny Shearer]

Yep, I think the same.

 

A combination of Lallana's injury and minds on playing Manyoo cost us against Tranmere, then we get thumped by Manyoo, then we are so demoralised we lose the next 2 games, by which time automatic promotion has become a pipe dream.

 

Might as well concentrate on next season then huh?

[Saint_clark]

Might as well concentrate on next season then huh?

 

Indeed. I think it's safe to say that if we don't get promoted Lambert, Lallana, Chamberlain, Fonte and Schneiderlin will all want to leave, so we might as well get rid of them now and just start building for next season.

[Dig Dig]

It is a poor result.

 

If Chelsea go to Wigan and lose it is a poor result. Ancelotti is critcised and rightly so. That is my only point.

 

I admire Adkins. I think he will do a great job here.

 

But a proportion of our fans accept a defeat by Adkins that would have been unacceptable under Pardew, which is frankly bonkers. And then blame everyone bar the bloke who picked the team, tactics and set them out to play.

 

Likewise, some fans (you) thinks it's ok for a 10/20 million worth of talent to get rolled over by Tranmere? How does that attitude get us into the Premiership exactly?

 

We lack consistency and until we don't we will struggle to be promoted with the ease which our resources should deliver.

 

I laud Adkins when he does well and slate him when he doesn't. Seems fair to me, since that's how my job operates. We all live and learn, after all. Just some things we should have learned by now...

 

Does it have be so black and white? If everything which should happen in football actually happened (x beats y because x is better/more expensive etc) then it would be a pretty boring sport.

 

I don't laud Adkins after every win as much as I don't slate him every time we lose. It's football. We will lose games. Everyone loses games. I just don't understand the need for an inquest everytime we have a bad result....oh we need more players, Adkins got the tatics wrong, we're distracted by the Man Utd game etc etc etc.

 

Bottom line is, when two teams cross the white line, anything can happen.

[Dig Dig]

Might as well concentrate on next season then huh?

 

Yes, the great prophet Alpine has spoken. Another famous "prophet" once predicted the world will end in 2012. Puts the 5 year plan in some doubt I would say

[Legod Third Coming]

Does it have be so black and white? If everything which should happen in football actually happened (x beats y because x is better/more expensive etc) then it would be a pretty boring sport.

 

I don't laud Adkins after every win as much as I don't slate him every time we lose. It's football. We will lose games. Everyone loses games. I just don't understand the need for an inquest everytime we have a bad result....oh we need more players, Adkins got the tatics wrong, we're distracted by the Man Utd game etc etc etc.

 

Bottom line is, when two teams cross the white line, anything can happen.

 

Right so no point having managers, players or a forum to discuss them on then, righto... slap forehead emoticon...

 

(By the way, how are Man United doing on the losing games front and shouldn't that be what we aspire to?)

[Dig Dig]

Right so no point having managers, players or a forum to discuss them on then, righto... slap forehead emoticon...

 

(By the way, how are Man United doing on the losing games front and shouldn't that be what we aspire to?)

 

There we go again....talking in extremes. Using an extreme example in Utd and suggeting that my comments mean that we should never talk about managers, players etc! These things all become important when there is a consistent issue.... Burely for example...I was happy with his appointment but was glad to see the back of him after he consistently played players out of position and made very strange decisions during games. What I don't advocate is reacting on a game by game basis.

[Legod Third Coming]

There we go again....talking in extremes. Using an extreme example in Utd and suggeting that my comments mean that we should never talk about managers, players etc! These things all become important when there is a consistent issue.... Burely for example...I was happy with his appointment but was glad to see the back of him after he consistently played players out of position and made very strange decisions during games. What I don't advocate is reacting on a game by game basis.

 

Not really what I was saying, is it?

 

A football forum means we can discuss and analyse every game - that's the beauty of the internet. I don't advocate extreme reactions with some lunatics suggesting a 6-0 win means we're going to win the league any more than 2-0 at Tranmere means we're not going to win it.

 

But we can still laud and critcise in equal measure, each game.

 

What I'm more interested in, however, is why we shouldn't aspire to win every game? Where does it say that losing is inevitable?? And why shouldn't we be bloody annoyed when we lose to a hopeless bunch of cloggers??

 

Our Chairman and manager aspire to win the league. It's their stated aim (not mine).

 

I was happier being a supporter of a tin pot club who occasionally rubbed shoulders with the rich and famous.

 

But our new ownership and management have set the expectation (not me) and shouldn't hide from criticism if and when they fail to live up to it. They don't appear to. So I don't understand why some fans get so tetchy when the likes of Alpine point out that they're failing to deliver on their promise??

 

Some fans still seems to be living under the mistaken belief that we are not the United/Citeh/Chelsea/Real Madrid (Delete as appropriate) of this league. We are. I personally don't like it. But then I didn't ever ask for it...

 

 

And there isn't a consistent issue - there's an inconsistent one!!! That's the whole bloody point!

[Turkish]

Yep, I think the same.

 

A combination of Lallana's injury and minds on playing Manyoo cost us against Tranmere, then we get thumped by Manyoo, then we are so demoralised we lose the next 2 games, by which time automatic promotion has become a pipe dream.

 

and are so demoralised by losing 4 games in a row we go on a slump and end up losing every game for the rest of the season, conceding 4,000 goals and scoring none, we get relegated, all the players die in a coach crash, the chairman quits, the owners walk away and a fire burns down the stadium during the last game of the season, it all happened to Harcester United on dream team (exept for losing a English football record of losing 23 league games in a row and condeding 4,000 goals in that time) afterall, why not us. If only we'd strengthened in January transfer window FFS.

Edited 26 January, 2011 by Turkish

[Turkish]

and are so demoralised by losing 4 games in a row we go on a slump and end up losing every game for the rest of the season, conceding 4,000 goals and scoring none, we get relegated, all the players die in a coach crash, the chairman quits, the owners walk away and a fire burns down the stadium during the last game of the season, it all happened to Harcester United on dream team (exept for losing a English football record of losing 23 league games in a row and condeding 4,000 goals in that time) afterall, why not us. If only we'd strengthened in January transfer window FFS.

 

come to think of it, didn't Harchester United also have someone going on thier fans forum posting nasty rumours about the club? Dragon Slayer he was called. The similarities between us and them are uncanny.

Edited 26 January, 2011 by Turkish

[The9]

Yesterday's bench: 24 Bialkowski, 12 Butterfield, 17 Martin, 19 Seaborne, 27 Gobern, 09 Barnard, 29 Doble

 

Not a lot there that is going to come on and change the game. I would get another striker and a replacement for Puncheon.

 

Apart from one of last season's top scorers in the Division.

 

In addition to that, there's a goalkeeper with recent experience at the level above this, a utility player with Prem experience, two young players with sufficient League One experience to regularly start, never mind cover, at centre back, and two developing midfielders who give us options the opposition won't know about.

 

It's not all about impact subs, sometimes it's about covering every eventuality.

[Legod Third Coming]

Apart from one of last season's top scorers in the Division.

 

In addition to that, there's a goalkeeper with recent experience at the level above this, a utility player with Prem experience, two young players with sufficient League One experience to regularly start, never mind cover, at centre back, and two developing midfielders who give us options the opposition won't know about.

 

It's not all about impact subs, sometimes it's about covering every eventuality.

 

I agree there is nothing wrong with those subs. The challange is that we appear to be a one man team. That man is out and we look a different side.

 

Is that because:

 

a) we are a one man team

b) we don't adapt our tactics to play a different game without him

c) coincidence?

 

I don't know.

[aintforever]

Apart from one of last season's top scorers in the Division.

 

In addition to that, there's a goalkeeper with recent experience at the level above this, a utility player with Prem experience, two young players with sufficient League One experience to regularly start, never mind cover, at centre back, and two developing midfielders who give us options the opposition won't know about.

 

It's not all about impact subs, sometimes it's about covering every eventuality.

 

Well Adkins appears to agree with me, this new guy looks like the sort of player who can come on and make an impact.

[david in sweden]

Well Adkins appears to agree with me, this new guy looks like the sort of player who can come on and make an impact.

 

so did Ali Dia at the time, let's hope... " I'm Guessing "... is better than he was...!

[NickG]

At mo...

 

still got Ox-C and Puncheon

 

Lallana update from Adkins " We did ever so well against Blackpool. It's a big blow that Lallana isn't going to be fit, but the good news is that he isn't going to be out for too much longer. He is a special player for this football club, he's a gem of a player so that is good news for the fans in terms of the important thing, which is the league campaign."

[Legod Third Coming]

At mo...

 

still got Ox-C and Puncheon

 

Lallana update from Adkins " We did ever so well against Blackpool. It's a big blow that Lallana isn't going to be fit, but the good news is that he isn't going to be out for too much longer. He is a special player for this football club, he's a gem of a player so that is good news for the fans in terms of the important thing, which is the league campaign."

 

Having Puncheon is a good thing is it? Frankly I'd rather have the clap.

[NickG]

Personally would definitely rather have Puncheon as a saints player than have the clap - not even close!

[Legod Third Coming]

Personally would definitely rather have Puncheon as a saints player than have the clap - not even close!

 

What? A disruptive little scrote who needs his attitude knocked into shape? Really Nick?

Let him go. He's a petulant loser. If he was a winner he would put his head down and work.

[NickG]

still better than having the clap!

 

Seriously - I trust the club on this. If he is going to be petulant etc they will need to get rid- and as they can get fee for him sure they will.

 

If he can be sorted out he is a decent player - as shown at Millwall and back at the Blackpool game.

 

Guess he will go tho

[madruss]

Yes, the great prophet Alpine has spoken. Another famous "prophet" once predicted the world will end in 2012. Puts the 5 year plan in some doubt I would say

 

The same great prophet who predicted AOC wouldn't be any good this season!!

[NickG]

don't write Alp's predictions off too soon - latest is that it is impossible for us to get back into the top two this season.

[Legod Third Coming]

still better than having the clap!

 

Seriously - I trust the club on this. If he is going to be petulant etc they will need to get rid- and as they can get fee for him sure they will.

 

If he can be sorted out he is a decent player - as shown at Millwall and back at the Blackpool game.

 

Guess he will go tho

 

I think his heart's not in it here. Shame. I agree with you. If he turned it on, he's a very very good player.

[alpine_saint]

don't write Alp's predictions off too soon - latest is that it is impossible for us to get back into the top two this season.

 

That is complete b*ll*cks. I didnt say that. I said we wont be able to get back into second and stay there for the rest of the season because we are too inconsistent.

 

Not suprised you twist my words. It takes attention away from the embarassment of how ridiculous your over-optimistic claptrap really is.

[NickG]

insurmountable! lol

[Matthew Le God]

We wont be able to get back into second and stay there for the rest of the season because we are too inconsistent.

 

What is this based on?

 

If Saints are "inconsistent", what makes Bournemouth or Huddersfield or Peterborough or Charlton more consistent? The first two are only 2 points ahead having played a game more and the second two are behind Saints. If you look at it from games since Adkins took over, Saints are more consistent than anyone bar Brighton.

[Whitey Grandad]

What is this based on?

 

If Saints are "inconsistent", what makes Bournemouth or Huddersfield or Peterborough or Charlton more consistent? The first two are only 2 points ahead having played a game more and the second two are behind Saints. If you look at it from games since Adkins took over, Saints are more consistent than anyone bar Brighton.

I think that's the important part.

[alpine_saint]

insurmountable! lol

 

Still having a bit of trouble, I see...

[NickG]

no I'm fine thanks, you?

[Matthew Le God]

Alpine still not answered my question in post #343

[NickG]

he won't.

[Saint_clark]

I think that's the important part.

 

Yes, but what's the use in complaining about the points dropped under Pardew and (especially) Wilkins?

[Turkish]

Alpine still not answered my question in post #343

 

he wont, throught his history on this forum he consistantly makes brash statements based on speculation and worst case scenarios happening to the teams he claims to support. When asked to back this up with any firm evidence or knowledge he gets all bitter and defensive. See above, he thinks if we "get thumped" by Man Utd we will lose the next two games and automatic promotion is a "pipe dream". He predicted we would get thumped at home to Huddersfield because Saints dont win over xmas apparantly. After we beat Huddersfield 4-1, apparantly we all "knew we would p*ss it up the wall against Dagenham next week". And why not ask him what his prediciton for the outcome of the ashes was after the first day of the first test while we are at it. The guy is a moron and a waste of time.

 

I will guarentee if we lose against Man Utd he will bemoan our perfomance, should have played a weaker team as tuesday is more important, if we play a weaker team he'll use that as "proof" our squad needs strengthening, if we draw he'll complain about the extra game, more risk of injuries etc and if we win same story regarding injuries and it will be a distraction from our promotion bid which will probably cost us promotion. If you disagree he calls you happy clappy.

Edited 28 January, 2011 by Turkish