Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Offshooting from the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain thread where a curious message was posted on the Echo website. As we are all giving our views this is what I have been told. . When Alex signed his 3 year contract in August certain "releases clauses" were put in i.e. IF a PL club comes in for him and offers £10M package with at least £5m up front he could SPEAK to them. Therefore Nigel and the Club cannot say "he will not leave in January" because these releases clauses put it is out of their hands. . As it stands at the moment the Club WANT HIM to STAY, HE WANTS TO STAY through THIS Transfer Window but that somebody behind the scenes is causing trouble. . I am not convinced this is other clubs trying to "unsettle the player" although they would love to get the player on the cheap (alot less than the release clauses). What I am led to believe is that the group behind the scenes who have been trying to get the Liebherr's family out of the club are the group who are "driving this story". . Until recently they had somebody in the club who knew about the "releases clauses" in Alex's contract and have been leaking various bits to the London media in an attempt to make this deal happen. . At the end of the day this group cannot afford to buy a CC club only a L1 club and therefore are hoping that if Saints fail to go up this season that the Liebherr family will sell up and they can take over. . I will repeat what I have told; the Club/Nigel want Alex to stay, the player wants to be here on the 1st Feb but the "dark forces behind the scenes" are causing mischief again in an attempt to use this as a "stick to beat Nicola with". Who the hell would this be? Rumours like this have been persisting now for a while in various guises. Do they seriously expect there to be a welcoming embracing fanbase if they were ever in a position to take over? Or is this just a complete load of hogwash?
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Perhaps many of those who lost money when the club went down the pan are still avid for retribution. It's still a big club that in theory could be had for relatively little money.I should well think the "inside man" in this case means David Jones and we all know where that alley ends.
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Perhaps many of those who lost money when the club went down the pan are still avid for retribution. It's still a big club that in theory could be had for relatively little money.I should well think the "inside man" in this case means David Jones and we all know where that alley ends. He has left, he is at Plymouth now.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Mickey Fialka. The Liebherr's took his club away from him and now he's determined to make them pay (the full fare)...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 I would have thought it was more likely to be Crouch than Lowe. Surely even Lowe knows it's over as far as the fan base are concerned, there is no way he could come back. Personally I think the whole thing is BS, the money involved is way out of either Lowe or Crouch's league. We've moved on to a higher plain finacially, if they wanted to buy in again, it was pre ML not after.
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 He has left, he is at Plymouth now. right he has left, which makes "until recently" all the more specific. Plymouth is just a temporary thing, unless the "group" fancy their chances down there.Not in the same league as Saints though.
Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2011 Author Posted 17 January, 2011 I would have thought it was more likely to be Crouch than Lowe. Surely even Lowe knows it's over as far as the fan base are concerned, there is no way he could come back. Personally I think the whole thing is BS, the money involved is way out of either Lowe or Crouch's league. We've moved on to a higher plain finacially, if they wanted to buy in again, it was pre ML not after. I doubt it would be Crouch. He always struck me as a fan who wanted the club to thrive and took control when he felt he could offer something. He would surely recognise that under Cortese/The Liebherr family we have better backing then many clubs could ever dream of.
ottery st mary Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Mickey Fialka. The Liebherr's took his club away from him and now he's determined to make them pay (the full fare)... His mother will not let him out to play yet...She grounded him after his last Fiasco.
Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2011 Author Posted 17 January, 2011 right he has left, which makes "until recently" all the more specific. Plymouth is just a temporary thing, unless the "group" fancy their chances down there.Not in the same league as Saints though. One hell of a lot cheaper though.... albeit with far more debt.
dubai_phil Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Oh, a Conspiracy Theory. There is a surprise. I copped some flack on this before, and no it isn't Lowe or Fialka, and I would think it is a pretty safe bet that NC knows who how and why and where any skeletons are buried. He has implied before that there are trouble makers and people thought he was having a dig at MLT. It ain't him either. Fact is NC has a knack of upsetting anyone who doesn't like the seating arrangements on the bus so there are always new outcast passengers for a horse drawn cart to collect as it trundles along behind
Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Load of rubbish, basically. It may well be the people who have been discrediting the club over the last year that are leaking this story, but no way are they trying to get in control.
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 One hell of a lot cheaper though.... albeit with far more debt. this is the thing, we have no debt, all the past troubles have been washed away. We still have our academy and an excellent first team,worth more money than the club would cost to re-acquire.If there's any floating and dissent in what must be multiple owners' minds about the club then now is an excellent time to try to drive it on.
Pancake Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Old news I think Know anything about who it is?
itchen Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 right he has left, which makes "until recently" all the more specific. Plymouth is just a temporary thing, unless the "group" fancy their chances down there.Not in the same league as Saints though. I think they are. I'm sure we played them at the start of the season.
JackFrost Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 is it Richard Chorley or anyone from SISA? Oh no hang on they'd have done it in the form of an OPEN LETTER
holepuncture Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Oh, a Conspiracy Theory. There is a surprise. I copped some flack on this before, and no it isn't Lowe or Fialka, and I would think it is a pretty safe bet that NC knows who how and why and where any skeletons are buried. He has implied before that there are trouble makers and people thought he was having a dig at MLT. It ain't him either. Fact is NC has a knack of upsetting anyone who doesn't like the seating arrangements on the bus so there are always new outcast passengers for a horse drawn cart to collect as it trundles along behind Lawrie? Crouch? Skates? Dave Jones? Stu Romsey Saint? Nick Illingsworth? Chorely & Lowe coalition? Go Wilde? We dont need or want change, it would be a disaster. Any of the above would be a disaster. Lets stick with the Leibherrs and Cortese, they know what they are doing, have immpeccable global business reputations and contacts to boot. Nothing has emerged to suggest otherwise, and it would have by now (look at the skates, look at Mickey Fialka). Cortese has a vision and wants to play it out at St.Marys, fortunately this vision fits with our wildest dreams, so im gonna back him.
aintforever Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Sounds like complete crap, doesn't even make any sense. How can selling a 17 year-old for 10 million quid make the owners want to pack their bags and **** off, especially as the entire club cost £15mill in the first place.
Pancake Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Sounds like complete crap, doesn't even make any sense. How can selling a 17 year-old for 10 million quid make the owners want to pack their bags and **** off, especially as the entire club cost £15mill in the first place. Fans would "force them out" as it would show we have no ambition and no real money behind us. (not my views)
aintforever Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Fans would "force them out" as it would show we have no ambition and no real money behind us. (not my views) No, still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Fans would "force them out" as it would show we have no ambition and no real money behind us. (not my views) Crazy, depsite most people thinking if we get £10m for him we should take it! Lets face it, it is a load of boll*cks.
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 No, still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Of course it doesn't, but then neither did Paul Allen or Pinnacle, same bloke always prepared to meddle therein though. It could well be that a certain person has such an obsession with owning SFC that nothing seems an obstacle.
Gingeletiss Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Jeese!! our fans ffs! Someone as yet un-named, posts something in our local rag, and straight away, Saints fans take it as an absolute fact, and start naming names as to who they think it is. Are we Tottenham in disguise?
70's Mike Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 All makes sense now I saw a man with a brief case standing outside SMS last friday, i was concerned because their was another guy with him, had a photo copier on his back
Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2011 Author Posted 17 January, 2011 Jeese!! our fans ffs! Someone as yet un-named, posts something in our local rag, and straight away, Saints fans take it as an absolute fact, and start naming names as to who they think it is. Are we Tottenham in disguise? Well, considering that Nicola himself had said there are some 'parties' at work who are trying to undermine the club I would say this rumour cropping up has a familiar feel to it.
Wade Garrett Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 I reckon it's a load of ****e. If the player wants to stay and the club want him to stay, he will stay. What is 'leaked' to the papers will not make a blind bit of difference. Whoever is mischief making is wasting their time.
St_Tel49 Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 (edited) We can be sure that neither Cortese nor Adkins are the source of the newspaper frenzy because that is not how they do business, I am pretty sure that connections of OAC are not responsible for it, Wenger has indicated that no approaches have been made so he is not the source but it still keeps popping up. It is speculation, but you would have to conclude that someone is feeding it and they do not necessarily have the club's best interests at heart. Reasons? - revenge of some sort because they are certainly not capable of driving the Leibhers and NC out. Edited 17 January, 2011 by St_Tel49 "nor" - not "not"
Wade Garrett Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 We can be sure that neither Cortese not Adkins are the source of the newspaper frenzy because that is not how they do business, I am pretty sure that connections of OAC are not responsible for it, Wenger has indicated that no approaches have been made so he is not the source but it still keeps popping up. It is speculation, but you would have to conclude that someone is feeding it and they do not necessarily have the club's best interests at heart. Reasons? - revenge of some sort because they are certainly not capable of driving the Leibhers and NC out. Or maybe it is just bull made up by journos to fill column inches. No sources, just a good old fashioned punt.
trousers Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Or maybe it is just bull made up by journos to fill column inches. No sources, just a good old fashioned punt. Why would they make up sustained stories about a player at a 3rd division club...?
Thedelldays Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 seems a bit far fetched..but we do have some real utter tosspots as fans those who feel the club owe them...the real supa dupa variety of fan who like to think they are important.. they are always having a dig at Cortese/the club... they know who they are...we know who some of them are...... its seems they are dying for cortese to fail/sell a star player/move the away fans/not sign a player to get their teeth into.. we have had a real sad vocal element to our support for some time....
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Why would they make up sustained stories about a player at a 3rd division club...? do you not remember how it was with Theo?? Sometimes i think it irks "the media" that there's a good young player outside of their sacrosanct media darling "The Premiership"
St_Tel49 Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Or maybe it is just bull made up by journos to fill column inches. No sources, just a good old fashioned punt. More than 50% probable that that is the case but just seems to keep going and going.
Thedelldays Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Well, considering that Nicola himself had said there are some 'parties' at work who are trying to undermine the club I would say this rumour cropping up has a familiar feel to it. just like the story a little while ago about the club up for sale....... where is leftback again..?
Viking Warrior Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 I still think Jack ruby and the teemster are behind the conspiracy against the club By the way does Crouch still attend games. I havent seen him there but then agin I dont go looking out for him?
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 I still think Jack ruby and the teemster are behind the conspiracy against the club By the way does Crouch still attend games. I havent seen him there but then agin I dont go looking out for him? did he not transfer his allegiance to Eastleigh???
manji Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 I would have thought it was really obvious who is behind it.The same people Cortese hinted at in the BBC interview.Certain people who were affiliated with the club in the past who lost out financially when the Liebherr family took over. It has always been in thier interest for the Liebherr era to fail so the can come in and take over on the cheap and set themselves up as heroes to the more gullible fans.
doddisalegend Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Young highly talented player may want to leave league 1 club to maybe go to PL team shocker. Yes this sort of thing never happens to other clubs it must be the infamous ex saints dark lords cabal at again..............................................
Weston Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 just like the story a little while ago about the club up for sale....... where is leftback again..?The scallywag is still able to read the forum, just cannot post. He is on most days.
stevegrant Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 The scallywag is still able to read the forum, just cannot post. He is on most days. If he's logged in, he won't be able to read anything (as he's in the "Banned" usergroup). Also, at the moment, the main board is registered users and subscribers only, so he wouldn't be able to read the main board as a guest either.
hypochondriac Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 If he's logged in, he won't be able to read anything (as he's in the "Banned" usergroup). Also, at the moment, the main board is registered users and subscribers only, so he wouldn't be able to read the main board as a guest either. Real shame he got banned. It made the forum so much more interesting.
Weston Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 If he's logged in, he won't be able to read anything (as he's in the "Banned" usergroup). Also, at the moment, the main board is registered users and subscribers only, so he wouldn't be able to read the main board as a guest either.Thanks Steve, wonder why he logs on so often then?
Weston Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Real shame he got banned. It made the forum so much more interesting.No, TSW was right to ban him.
Sour Mash Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 seems a bit far fetched..but we do have some real utter tosspots as fans those who feel the club owe them...the real supa dupa variety of fan who like to think they are important.. they are always having a dig at Cortese/the club... they know who they are...we know who some of them are...... its seems they are dying for cortese to fail/sell a star player/move the away fans/not sign a player to get their teeth into.. we have had a real sad vocal element to our support for some time.... What the f**k are you on about?
saintscottofthenortham Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 Offshooting from the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain thread where a curious message was posted on the Echo website. Who the hell would this be? Rumours like this have been persisting now for a while in various guises. Do they seriously expect there to be a welcoming embracing fanbase if they were ever in a position to take over? Or is this just a complete load of hogwash? This has come about because of what Cortese said in his last interview. He mentioned that there was a group who were intent on disrupting things and he heavily hinted at it being those that were driven out of the club that previous had access that were there only to line there pockets and leak bits to the media. I dont think any of which would have been there in August when Oxo signed his contract.
up and away Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 I would have thought it was really obvious who is behind it.The same people Cortese hinted at in the BBC interview.Certain people who were affiliated with the club in the past who lost out financially when the Liebherr family took over. It has always been in thier interest for the Liebherr era to fail so the can come in and take over on the cheap and set themselves up as heroes to the more gullible fans. These people exist, but not the master planners made out to be. If you look at the Walter Mittys popping up when the club is for sale, this happens to a similar degree at different levels. Someone providing insurance cover for example may also have his ears open and looking for any little bit of information that can give him an edge. If he then approaches someone with with details of what's in the players contract, some may feel this could be useful and can result in a pay out of some kind. Some just seem to do it for convoluted personal reasons, often taking a couple of random bits, putting them together and coming up with what ever suits them. I can understand Cortese believing there is some sort of master conspiracy here, especially with the possible damage the recent rumour regarding selling the club could have with possible sponsorship. But they are just small time chancers who tend to flock together and associate with a well known figure that has been attached to the club in the past. I don't expect Cortese has come across the like of these before and assumes there is something more sinister and planned behind it all. It would not surprise me if some of these things are started deliberately as a wind up.
saintscottofthenortham Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 seems a bit far fetched..but we do have some real utter tosspots as fans those who feel the club owe them...the real supa dupa variety of fan who like to think they are important.. they are always having a dig at Cortese/the club... they know who they are...we know who some of them are...... its seems they are dying for cortese to fail/sell a star player/move the away fans/not sign a player to get their teeth into.. we have had a real sad vocal element to our support for some time.... LOL'age. At it's best.
Dalek2003 Posted 17 January, 2011 Posted 17 January, 2011 seems a bit far fetched..but we do have some real utter tosspots as fans those who feel the club owe them...the real supa dupa variety of fan who like to think they are important.. they are always having a dig at Cortese/the club... they know who they are...we know who some of them are...... Probably the same ones that blocked the re-appointment of Glenn Hoddle in 2004 its seems they are dying for cortese to fail/sell a star player/move the away fans/not sign a player to get their teeth into..
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