Chez Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 I personally dont think Hammond and Schneiderling play well together as too much the same. When Chaplow plays with either the roles are clearly defined. When he doesn't neither seem to know exactly what they are bieng asked to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 FFS you can't voice a concern without the over optimists who don't seem to understand how the Man U game is a draw on our energies having a moan. It is great that we get a bit more column inches but NA said after saturdays games that we looked leggy after the Oldham game. I am putting myself out financially and timewise to get to Exeter to watch us, and so am right to wonder if the Man u game could take our focus. Our priority should be promotion, not worrying about the vanity of parading on tv in a game we have less than 5% chance of winning if United show up. We are here and so be it but it is right to question whether it may affect us. I know you don't mean to be so depressing but have you ever looked at the thousands and thousands of column inches that have appeared debunking this particular myth about the FA Cup being a distraction. It has been shown over and over again that having a good run in any Cup competition is associated with good league results not poor ones. Of course there have been occasional exceptions but it anyway hardly takes genius thinking to see that winning breeds confidence and losing doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 3 days later if the Exeter game is a Tuesday. I thought the Manyoo game is on a Sunday ? Besides, you are being a bit pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 I thought the Manyoo game is on a Sunday ? Besides, you are being a bit pedantic. Saturday 5.15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 FFS you can't voice a concern without the over optimists who don't seem to understand how the Man U game is a draw on our energies having a moan. It is great that we get a bit more column inches but NA said after saturdays games that we looked leggy after the Oldham game. I am putting myself out financially and timewise to get to Exeter to watch us, and so am right to wonder if the Man u game could take our focus. Our priority should be promotion, not worrying about the vanity of parading on tv in a game we have less than 5% chance of winning if United show up. We are here and so be it but it is right to question whether it may affect us. I think some people need to perhaps look at the broader picture. I support Southampton Football Club and spend my money on them because I hope they can repay me with great football matches and lasting memories. Whatever the result, I believe that this game falls into that category. If you spend all of your time stressing about potentially negative, but still insignificant and hypothetical consequences, I believe you are jeopardising your overall enjoyment of being a fan. Besides, if we do lose the next game, there are a potential 1001 reasons why because ultimately we are the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Weird thread. The answer is it's impossible to say. Who knows, we could beat Man Utd, lose to Exeter and still gain automatic promotion. If we weren't playing in the 4th round we'd be playing Charlton at home and might have lost. Maybe now we'll win the rearranged game in April? Who knows? There's still 22 league games to play. How supporters can be negative about the chance for us to play against the best team in the country at home in front if a sell out crowd is beyond me. Can't people just enjoy the fact we'll be playing in a high profile game on terrestrial tv and earning more money and exposure for the club? I'm quite excited that we're playing Man Utd, but then equally excited about going to Peterbrough the Saturday after because it will be a new ground for me and should be a cracking game of football. Why not just enjoy the ride without moaning about and over-analysing every small detail? sense at last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2011 I know you don't mean to be so depressing but have you ever looked at the thousands and thousands of column inches that have appeared debunking this particular myth about the FA Cup being a distraction. It has been shown over and over again that having a good run in any Cup competition is associated with good league results not poor ones. Of course there have been occasional exceptions but it anyway hardly takes genius thinking to see that winning breeds confidence and losing doesn't. it is not about losing or winning it is about the distraction as per the opening thread title. We are where we are and so have to get on with it, but had we drawn a L1 team or even a Championship team many of the posters on here would have a different view on how important the game was compared to winning the league games. The energy of the team leading up to and after the game will be drained more than if we had a normal league fixture.If that spills over into a bad result on the tuesday, i expect many of the critics against this thread will be up in arms and at the end of the season it could also be crucial. Please do not try and tell me that playing Man u will not spill over one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2008 Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 I think some people need to perhaps look at the broader picture. I support Southampton Football Club and spend my money on them because I hope they can repay me with great football matches and lasting memories. Whatever the result, I believe that this game falls into that category. If you spend all of your time stressing about potentially negative, but still insignificant and hypothetical consequences, I believe you are jeopardising your overall enjoyment of being a fan. Besides, if we do lose the next game, there are a potential 1001 reasons why because ultimately we are the Saints. Here here. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2011 I think some people need to perhaps look at the broader picture. I support Southampton Football Club and spend my money on them because I hope they can repay me with great football matches and lasting memories. Whatever the result, I believe that this game falls into that category. If you spend all of your time stressing about potentially negative, but still insignificant and hypothetical consequences, I believe you are jeopardising your overall enjoyment of being a fan. Besides, if we do lose the next game, there are a potential 1001 reasons why because ultimately we are the Saints. thats fine in your mindset. I thought that the thread may get some reasonable replies but it seems posters thoughts are just dismissed. I truly hope we do well against Man u and we win at Exeter and the games that follow. As for enjoyment of being a fan Lol, over 40 years of seeing the team do well one match and them disappoint has stopped my real optimism that a lot of the youngsters on here still have.The club will make money , great, the chances are that we will be totally outclassed (aka The last time we played them in the cup) and watch them have plenty of possession as they run the clock down. Perhaps I will be surprised and we outplay them and win but I just hope there is no cup hangover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Would Lallana now be injured if he had been rested for the Blackpool game? Or was his injury something that would have happened anyway rather than happening as a result of too many matches? Who knows.... Precisely. Players can be crippled in training. Que sera sera and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 thats fine in your mindset. I thought that the thread may get some reasonable replies but it seems posters thoughts are just dismissed. I truly hope we do well against Man u and we win at Exeter and the games that follow. As for enjoyment of being a fan Lol, over 40 years of seeing the team do well one match and them disappoint has stopped my real optimism that a lot of the youngsters on here still have.The club will make money , great, the chances are that we will be totally outclassed (aka The last time we played them in the cup) and watch them have plenty of possession as they run the clock down. Perhaps I will be surprised and we outplay them and win but I just hope there is no cup hangover. I can appreciate your view, and would probably also place myself in the 'youngster' category. However bear in mind that having only really been a fan since the later part of 2003, and haven't had much to cheer about at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 thats fine in your mindset. I thought that the thread may get some reasonable replies but it seems posters thoughts are just dismissed.I truly hope we do well against Man u and we win at Exeter and the games that follow. As for enjoyment of being a fan Lol, over 40 years of seeing the team do well one match and them disappoint has stopped my real optimism that a lot of the youngsters on here still have.The club will make money , great, the chances are that we will be totally outclassed (aka The last time we played them in the cup) and watch them have plenty of possession as they run the clock down. Perhaps I will be surprised and we outplay them and win but I just hope there is no cup hangover. Nick, you posted an opinion - as you are perfectly entitled to do - but now seem to be getting upset that people are disagreeing with you. I have not noticed anyone being particularly abusive in their responses so I am not sure what your problem is. You have expressed your thoughts - others have expressed their disagreement with those thoughts. It is what forums are about I had always supposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Nick, you posted an opinion - as you are perfectly entitled to do - but now seem to be getting upset that people are disagreeing with you. I have not noticed anyone being particularly abusive in their responses so I am not sure what your problem is. You have expressed your thoughts - others have expressed their disagreement with those thoughts. It is what forums are about I had always supposed. i'm always right and surprised anyone dare have another opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grammy Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Watching the FA Cup on telly as a kid was what got me into football. There were very few other live matches in those days. How people can feel it's a distraction I find unbelievable. It's part of football and all clubs have to deal with it. The idea of any Saints team going out to lose an fa cup match so they can concentrate on the league fills me with horror. The distraction arguement does'nt really come it to it. Its like saying the oldham game was a distraction for the Notts Co game. Different competition I know but still just another game. We may well end up with bookings/injuries yet we may not that's life. Dave Beasant once got injured dropping a tomato sauce bottle on his foot iirc, things happen. Its the 4th round of the cup, Its the Manc scum at home lets just enjoy the bus ride but expect a few punctures ahead. The Brighton bus left a bit earlier than ours but I reckon ours is best equipped for the long distance. FFS COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Nick, I really wish Hughie Fisher hadn't scored that last minute equaliser against Villa in 76. We would then have gone on to get promotion that year. F'sure. I seem to remember having that conversation with you in the Wembley car park after the ManUre final. It was just the rest of the idiots didn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Watching the FA Cup on telly as a kid was what got me into football. There were very few other live matches in those days. How people can feel it's a distraction I find unbelievable. It's part of football and all clubs have to deal with it. The idea of any Saints team going out to lose an fa cup match so they can concentrate on the league fills me with horror. The distraction arguement does'nt really come it to it. Its like saying the oldham game was a distraction for the Notts Co game. Different competition I know but still just another game. We may well end up with bookings/injuries yet we may not that's life. Dave Beasant once got injured dropping a tomato sauce bottle on his foot iirc, things happen. Its the 4th round of the cup, Its the Manc scum at home lets just enjoy the bus ride but expect a few punctures ahead. The Brighton bus left a bit earlier than ours but I reckon ours is best equipped for the long distance. FFS COYR spot on Grammy, just what i was trying to say earlier in the thread before Nick and his pal Alpine started the we know best lecture, implying if you disagree with them then you to are risking our promotion hopes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 I thought the Manyoo game is on a Sunday ? Besides, you are being a bit pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Roughly 15,000 home end tickets left for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Here here. Well said! Well, not that well said - it is "Hear, hear"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2011 Nick, I really wish Hughie Fisher hadn't scored that last minute equaliser against Villa in 76. We would then have gone on to get promotion that year. F'sure. I seem to remember having that conversation with you in the Wembley car park after the ManUre final. It was just the rest of the idiots didn't get it. lol I was there but that side was never in with a shout of going up. IMO it is a pertinent concern, but we are where we are, posters do not seem to understand the thread title as Man Utd an unwanted distraction? it was not a statement but a question to debate. I await the gnashing of teeth if the games pre and after effect our automatic chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 18 January, 2011 Share Posted 18 January, 2011 I watched brentford v exeter on sky last night in jpt area final both teams throwing everything at each other on a heavy pitch and have to do it all again in a couple of weeks for the 2nd leg. Bearing in mind exeters small squad if we lose there on Feb 1st we can not use "tiredness" as an excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 18 January, 2011 Share Posted 18 January, 2011 No team from our division has never won the FA cup. However impossible it may seem to win it, we have to try. With any luck, this will be our last chance ever to make this "First" in football history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 18 January, 2011 Share Posted 18 January, 2011 Nigel A said that we have lots of cup finals coming up, we could do with less of these distractions too perhaps. Anyway, we have a major payday coming our way and if nothing else that equals money for the team no doubt and people shouldn't say that we don't need the additional income, Nicola wants this club's books to balance does he not? That extra money will go a long way to paying Adam L's wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2011 after reading the back from the match reports I seem to have been incorrect, the distraction may well be before as well as post man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 Never understood the whole "cup distraction" theory. So V Tranmere, were the players wandering around the pitch imagining themselves scoring V United rather than concentrating on the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 Never understood the whole "cup distraction" theory. So V Tranmere, were the players wandering around the pitch imagining themselves scoring V United rather than concentrating on the game? They were non commital because they didn't want to pick up an injury. Tranmere were up for a scrap, we weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 They were non commital because they didn't want to pick up an injury. Tranmere were up for a scrap, we weren't. Ah, of course. It must be the dream of all our players to get d*cked by Man United on national television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 Ah, of course. It must be the dream of all our players to get d*cked by Man United on national television. There's no need to get all jumped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 There's no need to get all jumped up. I just can't understand why, if true, the players would prefer being humiliated in front of the footballing nation to increasing our chances of league success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 I just can't understand why, if true, the players would prefer being humiliated in front of the footballing nation to increasing our chances of league success. Nor can I, because that has got absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2011 I just can't understand why, if true, the players would prefer being humiliated in front of the footballing nation to increasing our chances of league success. I assume that they just might like the thought of playing in thqt game, afterall they want to look good in front of the millions watching. Reading the back from the game thread, i noticed a few had mentioned the players minds looked like they were elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 I assume that they just might like the thought of playing in thqt game, afterall they want to look good in front of the millions watching. Reading the back from the game thread, i noticed a few had mentioned the players minds looked like they were elsewhere Surely the Man U game would have the opposite effect. If the players are desperate to play against Man U they would have used the Tranmere game to show NA that they were really up for it and deserved a place in the first 11 against Man U. None of them did so that means they either don't want to play against Man U so went out of the way to be really bad or the players were having another one of those off days they seem to have every six matches or so for the last two seasons whether there is a cup game or not...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 I assume that they just might like the thought of playing in thqt game, afterall they want to look good in front of the millions watching. Reading the back from the game thread, i noticed a few had mentioned the players minds looked like they were elsewhere If we had Lallana and we should happen to turn it on then we have a reasonable chance of not getting too badly mauled.Doubt if we'll have Adam available though and with no-one wide left and perhaps not even Oxo we're going to look dire.If I was one of our better players I might even feign injury so as not to get ridiculed by the stand in hacks around me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 I really wish we was out of the cup...this whole thing has turned into a circus for us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 This is the right time now I reckon, take our mind away from the league for a bit, ease the pressure and the players can have a bit of fun. If we lose it's not going to be heart breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 24 January, 2011 Share Posted 24 January, 2011 It doesnt matter what team Man Utd put out. Their second team is good enough to beat our first team. So why bother playing our best team and risk injuires and suspensions? I think most sensible Saints fans would say play the fringe players, give them some valuable first team experience against premier league oppostion, hopefully they play better than expected and only lolse 1 or 2 nil maybe even a spirited 2-1 defeat. Then have our first team ready and fully fit and raring to go against Exeter on Tuesday. Problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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