Saint in Paradise Posted 15 January, 2011 Share Posted 15 January, 2011 Well done you Tories with your defence cuts. Mr Goon, co-founder of the Air Power Australia think tank, said the US and its allies had been ''caught flat-footed'' by the J-20's maiden appearance. The J-20 has been described by some analysts overseas as ''unimpressive'' and a ''mish-mash of Soviet and American design features''. But Mr Goon said he believed it was clear from the images of the plane and other material that it was far superior to the JSF, and even to the US's top-of-the-range F-22 ''Raptor'' jet. ''It is basically a lot more stealthy than the JSF, will fly faster and higher, be more agile, and because it's a much bigger aircraft it can carry more weapons,'' Mr Goon said. ''This thing has been designed to compete with and defeat the F-22. They haven't even bothered with the JSF, and why would you?'' http://www.theage.com.au/national/chinese-fighter-has-changed-power-balance-20110114-19rcw.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 15 January, 2011 Share Posted 15 January, 2011 Short term memory function I take it! so I'll refresh it for you......... IT WASN'T THE TORIES WHO PUT US IN THIS MESS! There. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 15 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2011 But everyone said that those two nice men, Mr Blair and Mr Brown were more like Tories than proper Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 January, 2011 Share Posted 15 January, 2011 Labour left us with the largest budget deficit in the EU. If tough decisions had not been made Britain would have been spoken of in the same breath as Spain and Portugal. We are now out of that danger zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 15 January, 2011 Share Posted 15 January, 2011 (edited) Truth is, no one knows anything about this plane's capabilities. It suits some people's agendas to talk up a threat. 2 comparisons annual US military spend in the Times 700 million dollars, Chinese annual military spend 50 million dollars. Enough said. "it was clear from the images of the plane and other material " What other material? Edited 15 January, 2011 by Seaford Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 January, 2011 Share Posted 15 January, 2011 Truth is, no one knows anything about this plane's capabilities. It suits some people's agendas to talk up a threat. 2 comparisons annual US military spend in the Times 700 million dollars, Chinese annual military spend 50 million dollars. Enough said. "it was clear from the images of the plane and other material " What other material? those figures seem a tad small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 15 January, 2011 Share Posted 15 January, 2011 Firstly, it looks like they have ripped off the design from the F-22. Secondly, just because they've developed a supposedly good fighter, it doesn't mean they are going to start attacking other countries left, right and centre, so I don't see what difference it really makes. It is designed for air-to-air combat, meaning its primary purpose is for defense rather than attack. If they had suddenly started building lots of stealth bombers with nuclear capability, then I would be a teeny bit more concerned. But then, the US already has that capability and has never actually used it in anger, so there is no reason to believe the chinese would either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 January, 2011 Share Posted 16 January, 2011 Different outlook: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/11/development-china-stealth-fighter-jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 16 January, 2011 Share Posted 16 January, 2011 To be fair, up until the crash, our debt and deficit were lower than when Labour came to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 January, 2011 Share Posted 16 January, 2011 (edited) Truth is, no one knows anything about this plane's capabilities. It suits some people's agendas to talk up a threat. 2 comparisons annual US military spend in the Times 700 million dollars, Chinese annual military spend 50 million dollars. Enough said. "it was clear from the images of the plane and other material " What other material? im sure you meant billion dollars what you dont take into account is the vast amount of money the US spend over seas..on bases, personnel, operations etc...where as China dont as for other material....maybe it is Radar absorbing rubber on parts of the plane..?..maybe tiles..? also, as for no one knowing..well, again you would be wrong on that one also Edited 16 January, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 im sure you meant billion dollars what you dont take into account is the vast amount of money the US spend over seas..on bases, personnel, operations etc...where as China dont as for other material....maybe it is Radar absorbing rubber on parts of the plane..?..maybe tiles..? also, as for no one knowing..well, again you would be wrong on that one also Yep I did, should have read billions, I was on my way out and rushed the reply. I wanted to get the message across that the US spends more money on "defence" than the rest of the world combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 the rush by the West to re modernise the Chinese economy with our expertise was always a short term folly. For 10years of cheap imports we have awoken the dragon.Its dominance will have everlasting effects and we will not be able to get it to sleep again. 20 years on and we will be the lap dog of both Russia(we are going to be so reliant on their gas supplies they have got europe over a barrel) and China. Typical shortermism by the west for small time gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Yep I did, should have read billions, I was on my way out and rushed the reply. I wanted to get the message across that the US spends more money on "defence" than the rest of the world combined. The US is obviously still by far the strongest but can you judge China's military capability but the amount of money spent? I doubt it's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 You can't spend on the military or hospitals, schools etc without having a capital manufacturing base that creates wealth. There in lies the issue for the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 To be fair, up until the crash, our debt and deficit were lower than when Labour came to power. comments Dune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 Can't see what all the fuss is about, China is a very powerful country so they might have out Americaned the Americans with a new bit of military hardware. The Chinese don't need military supremacy, they could bring America and most of the world to it's knees within a week or so just by unloading the billions of US Dollars that they hold devaluing the currency. Many folks see China as a bit of a dim witted Hicksville country, the truth is that it is a very sophisticated intelligent rapidly modernising country. The rest of the world can't get it's head round that is that the majority of Chinese are quite happy living in a single party state: anywhere else this would be viewed as a disagreeable dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 comments Dune? Dune doesn't respond to fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 January, 2011 Share Posted 17 January, 2011 the rush by the West to re modernise the Chinese economy with our expertise was always a short term folly. For 10years of cheap imports we have awoken the dragon.Its dominance will have everlasting effects and we will not be able to get it to sleep again. 20 years on and we will be the lap dog of both Russia(we are going to be so reliant on their gas supplies they have got europe over a barrel) and China. Typical shortermism by the west for small time gain. The Russians won't bend us too far over a barrell in regards to gas IMO. We will as a country however suffer for not getting our fingers out and building more Nuclear power as quickly as we have needed, our over reliance on a very messy and unreliable wind network is stupid IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Hahahahahahaha..... Chinese TV showed pictures of their new fighter in action. And it was from Top Gun! China red-faced after footage of new fighter 'was from Top Gun' Bet the Producer's enjoying his new home in the local Nick http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8291729/China-red-faced-after-footage-of-new-fighter-was-from-Top-Gun.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Hahahahahahaha..... Chinese TV showed pictures of their new fighter in action. And it was from Top Gun! Bet the Producer's enjoying his new home in the local Nick http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8291729/China-red-faced-after-footage-of-new-fighter-was-from-Top-Gun.html Nice comment at the end. "I look forward to their moon landings, it'll be nice to see The Clangers again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Short term memory function I take it! so I'll refresh it for you......... IT WASN'T THE TORIES WHO PUT US IN THIS MESS! There. No it wasn't the Tory party but it was their Tory boy public school boy friends the bankers who did put us in this mess. Now those same bankers helped vote their favourite party back to power to help keep their bonus safe. Defence might well have fallen behind but I'm more worried that we will soon have to kiss goodbye to the NHS. Unless you are rich enough for that not bother you, that concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 You can't spend on the military or hospitals, schools etc without having a capital manufacturing base that creates wealth. There in lies the issue for the UK. Yes you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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