Barnard charged with ABH!

[mack rill]

FFS! this Fred is meant to be about one of your little OTT Heads getting his just rewards,(or getting away with it) Not you foals meryannin in the paddock.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

IF he as no previous, reckon he should get off with a fine and community service. Would be fairly harsh to send someone down if it was their first offence. However the CPS may look to make an example of him as he is a role model etc. If he did a lot of damage to the guy, surprised he is not being done for GBH.

That would be a very good reason for letting him off would n't it..... the fact that he has n't done it before!!!! I'm just off down the post office with an imitation firearm..... I've never robbed one before but I'll only be looking at a fine.....ffs!!!! Saints Footballing Legend or no Saints Footballing Legend you can't go round bottling people if that is allegedly what happened - That said none of us knows the facts - LB is going before the court and if found guilty must serve an appropriate sentence - you can't just say 'oh well,he'snever done that before - let him off picking up litter'. No one the country is ****ed

[Toadhall Saint]

If its gone to a Crown Court, and he's found guilty, he's going to be eating some porridge

 

Rubbish

[s0108787]

Rubbish

 

But he might like porridge.

[Window Cleaner]

Doesn't matter anyway, we'll have signed the Nookie Monster from Malta by then.Should see us through the pre-season and the first few games until Barnard gets out .

[shurlock]

Worth remembering that etuhu got 8 months for ABH (albeit he broke someone's jaw).

[sfc4prem]

Worth remembering that etuhu got 8 months for ABH (albeit he broke someone's jaw).

 

He kicked his victim repeatedly in the head whilst they were lying on the floor after he knocked him down, didn't he?

[Toadhall Saint]

But he might like porridge.

 

Tis true - I quite like Ronnie Barker myself.

[itchen]

Also he isn't wanted by Scotland Yard, Scotland Yard is often used as a metonym for the Metropolitan Police Service of London, UK, as the incident happened in Southampton he is wanted by Hampshire police, nothing to do with Scotland yard at all, although isn't actually on their wanted list as he has been arrested and charged and is awaiting trial. this song is factually incorrect in all areas and should be scrapped.

 

I already did this! Find your own nit-pick.

[LGTL]

B*llocks, I think us ex-Hardley lot would have something to say about that!

 

+1!

[DECROMAX]

Not a patch on the school I went to. People only know of Noadswood in Dibden Purlieu cos of our rep as the hardest school in Hampshire. Or it certainly was in the mid to late 90s.

Are you having a laugh mush? Noadswood was full of grungey little toffs back then (not saying you were). Hardley or even Applemoor would of shat all over the lot of ya.

[scotty]

I love how this thread has gone from slagging lee barnard for bottling someone to bragging about how hard our schools were

[s0108787]

my school in basingstoke was full of ****s pretending to be hard. If you need to tell people how hard you are, you clearly aren't!

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

B*llocks, I think us ex-Hardley lot would have something to say about that!

 

Hardley educated...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Are you having a laugh mush? Noadswood was full of grungey little toffs back then (not saying you were). Hardley or even Applemoor would of shat all over the lot of ya.

 

Grungey toffs!

 

Sounds like me to be fair...

[John Boy Saint]

Jumping on the thread deviation band wagon, when I was at School there was a notorious School in Basingstoke full of mental cases, my school was out in the country. One day this school played our School at Rugby ( sorry to swear) they turned up all we are hard and you are country half wits, they left at full time on the bus quick smart with their rugby kit still on.

 

Strangely when you met that schools pupils in town afterwards and they tried to intimidate you, when they found out what school you went to strangely they would become very wary................ Thankfully.

[stu0x]

That would be a very good reason for letting him off would n't it..... the fact that he has n't done it before!!!! I'm just off down the post office with an imitation firearm..... I've never robbed one before but I'll only be looking at a fine.....ffs!!!!

 

Well of course it would... Offending history has a pretty major impact on the sentencing guidelines, as well it should.

 

Having said that, if he *has* used an improvised weapon to cause injury, he's looking at a custodial unless exceptional circumstances apply...

 

Of course, his best chance out of a custodial would be to plead guilty, but I guess it depends how strong the case is.

 

(incidentally I'm pretty sure there's no non-custody option for armed robbery with a firearm, so your ridiculous straw man example doesn't really hold weight, but then you knew that didn't you...)

[Jez]

Not a patch on the school I went to. People only know of Noadswood in Dibden Purlieu cos of our rep as the hardest school in Hampshire. Or it certainly was in the mid to late 90s.

 

I went to Noadswood in the early 90's and can completely disagree with this statement!

[Jez]

Are you having a laugh mush? Noadswood was full of grungey little toffs back then (not saying you were). Hardley or even Applemoor would of shat all over the lot of ya.

 

This post is more appropriate (not that either of them schools were tough either!)

[jasonb]

I remember Noadswood having this massive rep when I was at Applemore ('85 - '90) but all mouth and no trousers as I recall.

[COMEONYOUREDS]

Noadswood, hardest school in Hampshire? same one that noone out of Southampton has ever heard of?

 

How does a school become 'harder' than another one, is there some sort of league table?

[alehouseboys]

Noadswood, hardest school in Hampshire? same one that noone out of Southampton has ever heard of?

 

How does a school become 'harder' than another one, is there some sort of league table?

 

TBF as Noadswood is on the Waterside and a good few miles outside of Southampton I doubt many from the city would be aware of any reputation.

 

I'm from the west side of Southampton and Shirley Warren and Millbrook were always top dogs around there in my days but there were plenty of others over east that had equally rough reputations.

 

Anyway back to Barney...if he didn't do it I hope gets off but if he did what's been suggested then he certainly wont and wouldn't deserve to tbf.

[Armitage Shanks]

If he is found guilty then he will almost certainly receive a custodial sentence. If he does, then do the club sack him? Can't personally see that they have a lot of choice but to do so. I know we shouldn't speculate on such things but I just have a bad feeling about this one.

[Verbal]

If he is found guilty then he will almost certainly receive a custodial sentence. If he does, then do the club sack him? Can't personally see that they have a lot of choice but to do so. I know we shouldn't speculate on such things but I just have a bad feeling about this one.

 

They do have a choice. Gross misconduct is usually the only get-out clause for clubs wanting to sack players who going off the rails. But there'd be an arguable case from his lawyer that he wasn't on club duties when this happened.

 

I'm always a little nervous about joining the clamour the cast out the bad boys. We did it with Ranger, Dyer and BWP (who I could care considerably less about) and I'm not sure, as a club, we've always been the winners with that.

[Armitage Shanks]

They do have a choice. Gross misconduct is usually the only get-out clause for clubs wanting to sack players who going off the rails. But there'd be an arguable case from his lawyer that he wasn't on club duties when this happened.

 

I'm always a little nervous about joining the clamour the cast out the bad boys. We did it with Ranger, Dyer and BWP (who I could care considerably less about) and I'm not sure, as a club, we've always been the winners with that.

 

I'm a lawyer - not an employment lawyer - but if he is found guilty then I cannot see how he has not also brought the club into disrepute. Does bringing the club into disrepute translate into gross misconduct? Hard to argue against that I think. Will be a very tough decision for the club if this happens. We all know however that if we did sack him then another club would snap him up immediately which would slightly make a mockery of sacking him!

[aintforever]

Not a tough call at all, he's a good player keep him.

[Gemmel]

If he is found guilty then he will almost certainly receive a custodial sentence. If he does, then do the club sack him? Can't personally see that they have a lot of choice but to do so. I know we shouldn't speculate on such things but I just have a bad feeling about this one.

 

Its ABH - He wont get a custoidial sentance

[Thedelldays]

if he is found guilty....do we booo him till he leaves the club...?

[Colbury]

I went to Noadswood and will vouch for DPS that we were infact the hardest school around by a mile.

[Matthew Le God]

If found guilty, what would he be looking at?

 

[Spudders]

If he is found guilty then he will almost certainly receive a custodial sentence. If he does, then do the club sack him? Can't personally see that they have a lot of choice but to do so.

 

They do have a choice. Gross misconduct is usually the only get-out clause for clubs wanting to sack players who going off the rails. But there'd be an arguable case from his lawyer that he wasn't on club duties when this happened.

 

I think you have highlighted two key points there Verbal, (1) around the club wanting to get rid of him and (2) re players going off the rails.

 

 

Lee is regarded as one of the most sensible and well behaved players at the club, Nicola Cortese told me this himself when I asked him about the situation towards the end of last year. He said that Lee was very apologetic and couldn’t have been more sorry about what had happened, he said the ‘event’ was very much out of character. Other than that, he quite rightly couldn’t go into detail, but he certainly gave me the impression that whatever happened, it certainly wasn’t the actions of someone up to their old tricks again, or going off the rails, but it was a freak event that happened due to him being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

That’s not to say he didn’t himself make an error of judgement, but if the worst comes to the worst and Lee should get any kind of sentence, I would be very confident that the Club will stick behind him and he’ll be part of the squad again at some point.

[Verbal]

I think you have highlighted two key points there Verbal, (1) around the club wanting to get rid of him and (2) re players going off the rails.

 

 

Lee is regarded as one of the most sensible and well behaved players at the club, Nicola Cortese told me this himself when I asked him about the situation towards the end of last year. He said that Lee was very apologetic and couldn’t have been more sorry about what had happened, he said the ‘event’ was very much out of character. Other than that, he quite rightly couldn’t go into detail, but he certainly gave me the impression that whatever happened, it certainly wasn’t the actions of someone up to their old tricks again, or going off the rails, but it was a freak event that happened due to him being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

That’s not to say he didn’t himself make an error of judgement, but if the worst comes to the worst and Lee should get any kind of sentence, I would be very confident that the Club will stick behind him and he’ll be part of the squad again at some point.

 

Yep. I'm willing to bet the club don't sack him if he's found guilty.

[sfc4prem]

I don't reckon he'll get sent down if he's found guilty. Just a hunch.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I went to Noadswood in the early 90's and can completely disagree with this statement!

 

To be fair, it was a joke. 64% 5 GCSE's A-C in my year

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I went to Noadswood and will vouch for DPS that we were infact the hardest school around by a mile.

 

YEAH! **** you all you bunch of pussies.

[Turkish]

They do have a choice. Gross misconduct is usually the only get-out clause for clubs wanting to sack players who going off the rails. But there'd be an arguable case from his lawyer that he wasn't on club duties when this happened.

 

I'm always a little nervous about joining the clamour the cast out the bad boys. We did it with Ranger, Dyer and BWP (who I could care considerably less about) and I'm not sure, as a club, we've always been the winners with that.

 

A lot of companies have it written into contracts that if you are found guilty of a criminal offence whilst employed by them the company, either whilst on company business or not, then this can considered gross misconduct and lead to instant dismissal, my company have it in our contracts and i'm pretty sure the last one did as well.

[Spudders]

A lot of companies have it written into contracts that if you are found guilty of a criminal offence whilst employed by them the company, either whilst on company business or not, then this can considered gross misconduct and lead to instant dismissal, my company have it in our contracts and i'm pretty sure the last one did as well.

Let's hope no-one ever discovers your sex dungeon then

[Verbal]

A lot of companies have it written into contracts that if you are found guilty of a criminal offence whilst employed by them the company, either whilst on company business or not, then this can considered gross misconduct and lead to instant dismissal, my company have it in our contracts and i'm pretty sure the last one did as well.

 

True, but gross misconduct is a civil issue, not a criminal one. There's no one, like a public prosecutor, standing over the club saying 'you must sack him - you have no choice'. The club would only invoke the clause if they wanted to.

[benjii]

Verbal is correct. The club will almost certainly have the right to terminate his employment, if he is found guilty, but whether they exercise that right or not is a matter of discretion.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Hardley educated...

 

That's coz we woz two bizzee fitghtin mush!

[Pedro]

Don't think Barney will go down, will probably get a community order and it will end up getting good publicity as he does something worthwhile for the Foundation,a kids charity or similar and turns it into a positive. I don't think he would have been playing so soon with his hand bandaged if the club weren't supporting him. Just a hunch.

[Kaiser Soze]

Heard on the grapevine that the club have been advised by their legal team that they should expect Barney to get two months.

 

Personally think they should retain him otherwise it's our loss and someone elses gain, regardless of what he may or may not have done, he's a top player easily capable of playing at Championship level.

[Nexstar]

Heard on the grapevine that the club have been advised by their legal team that they should expect Barney to get two months.

 

Personally think they should retain him otherwise it's our loss and someone elses gain, regardless of what he may or may not have done, he's a top player easily capable of playing at Championship level.

 

Can't see why we wouldn't retain him, he'll be out in a month at most. Club knows what happened and have dealt with it themselves.

[Gemmel]

Heard on the grapevine that the club have been advised by their legal team that they should expect Barney to get two months.

 

Personally think they should retain him otherwise it's our loss and someone elses gain, regardless of what he may or may not have done, he's a top player easily capable of playing at Championship level.

 

30% of all ABH charges result in community service.

He is pleading not guility, which will go against him if it proved against him, but as long as he hasnt got any previous he should be fine in avoiding prison.

[Deano6]

30% of all ABH charges result in community service.

He is pleading not guility, which will go against him if it proved against him, but as long as he hasnt got any previous he should be fine in avoiding prison.

 

What about the other 70%??

[Gemmel]

What about the other 70%??

 

That is total cases, so some get not guilty, some get fines and some go to nick, but if it is his first offence, he should be fine.

[NickG]

not worth guessing until trial starts, who knows strength of evidence, extent of injuries, defence he will put forward, mitigation or aggravating factors, role he played, whether someone else played more significant role.

 

information available to the public, and rumours on here would make anything from a late guilty plea to walking away cleared verdict and if guilty an appropriate punishment being non-custodial through to a years on first offence.

[Saint_John]

Court 6 tomorrow for PLEA & CASE Management before Judge BURRELL Q.C at 10:00

http://www.courtserve.net/courtlists/current/crown/sthon_T110608.02.htm

Plea and Case Management

T20110167 BARNARD Lee

44SP0857110

[scotty]

Court 6 tomorrow for PLEA & CASE Management before Judge BURRELL Q.C at 10:00

http://www.courtserve.net/courtlists/current/crown/sthon_T110608.02.htm

 

I hope the judge isnt related to paul burrell, if he is we're f*cked.

[Turkish]

Heard on the grapevine that the club have been advised by their legal team that they should expect Barney to get two months.

 

Personally think they should retain him otherwise it's our loss and someone elses gain, regardless of what he may or may not have done, he's a top player easily capable of playing at Championship level.

 

Is this the same grapevine that told you we were signing Charlie Austin??