Barnard charged with ABH!

[scotty]

tbh, I hope none of the magistrates in attendance have been to the home games and heard the "he's short, hes f*cking hard" chants about him

[Toadhall Saint]

Court case adjourned until 13th April. Was due for committal at Southampton Magistrates Court tomorrow.

 

Interesting - so it'll be at the Crown Court. Probably due to the fact that the magistrates feel they do not have sufficient custodial powers or he is pleading not guilty.

[The Godfather]

tbh, I hope none of the magistrates in attendance have been to the home games and heard the "he's short, hes f*cking hard" chants about him

 

They're probaly joining in!! lol

[Matthew Le God]

tbh, I hope none of the magistrates in attendance have been to the home games and heard the "he's short, hes f*cking hard" chants about him

 

Isn't the the chant...?

 

"he sure is f*cking hard, he's wanted by Scotland Yard, Lee Barnard, Barnard"

[Thedelldays]

Isn't the the chant...?

 

"he sure is f*cking hard, he's wanted by Scotland Yard, Lee Barnard, Barnard"

scotty was right...you anal person

[Matthew Le God]

scotty was right...you anal person

 

I was just asking as I genuinely thought it was something else. That line doesn't come across very clear from the Northam when they sing it, to my seat in the Kingsland. Just seemed odd to me they would chant about him being short, when he isn't.

[niceandfriendly]

I was just asking as I genuinely thought it was something else. That line doesn't come across very clear from the Northam when they sing it, to my seat in the Kingsland. Just seemed odd to me they would chant about him being short, when he isn't.

 

are we talking about the same barnard here? he's a bloody midget. you really should get tomore games!!

[Matthew Le God]

are we talking about the same barnard here? he's a bloody midget.

 

Lee Barnard is 5 foot 10" or 178cm, which is hardly a midget! Certainly not short enough for a chant about being small.

 

I should be asking you - Are we talking about the same Lee Barnard here?

 

 

you really should get tomore games!!

 

I get to plenty of games as a season ticket holder. Do you?

[Thedelldays]

I was just asking as I genuinely thought it was something else. That line doesn't come across very clear from the Northam when they sing it, to my seat in the Kingsland. Just seemed odd to me they would chant about him being short, when he isn't.

 

because it is a football chant...saints are not the greatest team the world has ever seen, despite saying so....we dont have pompey fans nor never going to have pompey fans on a piece of string either..

[ericb]

because it is a football chant...saints are not the greatest team the world has ever seen, despite saying so....we dont have pompey fans nor never going to have pompey fans on a piece of string either..

 

I think mat le god might be a touch autistic to be fair, from what i can see of his posts he seems to job down everyone's throats about the smallest things in the world. Also his attention to basically irrelevant details and taking everything literally (in this case football chants) are classic signs of autism.

 

Also i don't think i've ever heard a more biased person saints fan and that takes some doing!

[The9]

He's "short" compared to Lambert, who according to many people in the Northam "stands at over 6 ft 3". He is in fact not over 6ft 3. But he still makes Barnard look short.

[NickG]

are we talking about the same barnard here? he's a bloody midget. you really should get tomore games!!

 

What's that make Lallana, Chaplow, Connolly who all must be shorter??!!

[scotty]

in all fairness to Matthew Le God, I still havent ever worked out the "we're the kingsland....."..."we're the northam...." chants. If anybody feels like enlightening me, feel free, I'm going on saturday so preferably before then.

[Red and White Army]

I think mat le god might be a touch autistic to be fair, from what i can see of his posts he seems to job down everyone's throats about the smallest things in the world. Also his attention to basically irrelevant details and taking everything literally (in this case football chants) are classic signs of autism.

 

Also i don't think i've ever heard a more biased person saints fan and that takes some doing!

 

i wish his parents would restrict his PC access time. He should get out in the fresh air more, kick a ball around instead of wasting his youth being an online pedant.

[JustMike]

Lee Barnard is 5 foot 10" or 178cm, which is hardly a midget! Certainly not short enough for a chant about being small.

 

I should be asking you - Are we talking about the same Lee Barnard here?

 

 

 

 

I get to plenty of games as a season ticket holder. Do you?

 

get out more!

[Kaiser Soze]

When is he in court?

[miserableoldgit]

When is he in court?

Never mind that, how f*cking tall is he!!!

[sammysaint]

I think mat le god might be a touch autistic to be fair, from what i can see of his posts he seems to job down everyone's throats about the smallest things in the world. Also his attention to basically irrelevant details and taking everything literally (in this case football chants) are classic signs of autism.

 

Also i don't think i've ever heard a more biased person saints fan and that takes some doing!

 

If that's the case everyone should take it easy with him, just to pre warn having a family member with that awful disability I find it very personal when insults are made about it or suggested about it, not saying you are doing that btw.

[hamster]

Never mind how tall he is, bottling someone is does not one 'hard' it is cowardly as is kicking someone in the head when they are on the floor.

 

Where I grew up being 'hard' means that in a one to one fight, with no weapons, one could beat more people up than could beat you up. Furthermore, if one had the skill and dexterity to be able kick someone in the head when both are standing then that was deemed 'acceptable'; although a very clever manoeuvre it is also very ring as it leaves one open to having it grabbed thus rendering one extremely vulnerable to a kick in the dusters, a grab and twist even.

 

I am not and never have been considered 'hard'. But I learnt Judo. I found it most useful as a short-arse (a midget if you like) in fending off bullies. I could not punch my way out of a damp paper bag But I am sure that armed with a bottle I would have won more fights at school, it would not have made me hard it would have got me a Proper beating from the real hard lads, that is how people using weapons were dealt with at my school.

 

NB

The school I went to was very very hard, harder than any school most people on here went to. FACT

[Seaford Saint]

Never mind how tall he is, bottling someone is does not one 'hard' it is cowardly as is kicking someone in the head when they are on the floor.

 

Where I grew up being 'hard' means that in a one to one fight, with no weapons, one could beat more people up than could beat you up. Furthermore, if one had the skill and dexterity to be able kick someone in the head when both are standing then that was deemed 'acceptable'; although a very clever manoeuvre it is also very ring as it leaves one open to having it grabbed thus rendering one extremely vulnerable to a kick in the dusters, a grab and twist even.

 

I am not and never have been considered 'hard'. But I learnt Judo. I found it most useful as a short-arse (a midget if you like) in fending off bullies. I could not punch my way out of a damp paper bag But I am sure that armed with a bottle I would have won more fights at school, it would not have made me hard it would have got me a Proper beating from the real hard lads, that is how people using weapons were dealt with at my school.

 

NB

The school I went to was very very hard, harder than any school most people on here went to. FACT

 

I think you should name the school you attended. FACT

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Never mind how tall he is, bottling someone is does not one 'hard' it is cowardly as is kicking someone in the head when they are on the floor.

 

Where I grew up being 'hard' means that in a one to one fight, with no weapons, one could beat more people up than could beat you up. Furthermore, if one had the skill and dexterity to be able kick someone in the head when both are standing then that was deemed 'acceptable'; although a very clever manoeuvre it is also very ring as it leaves one open to having it grabbed thus rendering one extremely vulnerable to a kick in the dusters, a grab and twist even.

 

I am not and never have been considered 'hard'. But I learnt Judo. I found it most useful as a short-arse (a midget if you like) in fending off bullies. I could not punch my way out of a damp paper bag But I am sure that armed with a bottle I would have won more fights at school, it would not have made me hard it would have got me a Proper beating from the real hard lads, that is how people using weapons were dealt with at my school.

 

NB

The school I went to was very very hard, harder than any school most people on here went to. FACT

 

So hard that it was approved?

[The9]

in all fairness to Matthew Le God, I still havent ever worked out the "we're the kingsland....."..."we're the northam...." chants. If anybody feels like enlightening me, feel free, I'm going on saturday so preferably before then.

 

What's there to work out ? It's a bunch of people singing which start they're in. They repeat the first bit as above and the end bit is "...over here". Mind you posting it on here can make you second-guess yourself.

[Deppo]

I think that anything below 5 foot 9 could be considered short for a footballer. If, as Matthew Le God says, Barnard is 5 foot 10, then the chant is unwarranted and should either be stopped immediately or altered to "he is reasonably short, for a footballer.....". Of course, the issue could be resolved quickly if Barnard just came out and said how tall he is, without boots on.

[Matthew Le God]

I agree ^

[hamster]

I think you should name the school you attended. FACT

 

two words that put the fear of god into the people of Kent:

Upbury Manor

or just 'Upbry' to the locals.

 

Renamed it since my day and sadly to be bulldozed later this year. Over two thousand pupils at it's peak.

[itchen]

I think that anything below 5 foot 9 could be considered short for a footballer. If, as Matthew Le God says, Barnard is 5 foot 10, then the chant is unwarranted and should either be stopped immediately or altered to "he is reasonably short, for a footballer.....". Of course, the issue could be resolved quickly if Barnard just came out and said how tall he is, without boots on.

 

And, technically, he's not "wanted by Scotland Yard" but is merely on unconditional bail while awaiting an appearance at Southampton Magistrates Court. Could we amend the lyric accordingly please because, frankly, it makes us a laughing stock the way it is?

[Jones91]

The reason why Barnard hasn't been charged with GBH is because the cuts on the victims face weren't deep enough for stitches and the nose was already broken.

[Professor]

After the Court hearing in February, it was reported by The Echo that no plea was entered by Barnard's solicitor following which the case was adjourned to 31 March. It's now reported that this hearing, now postponed to 13th April, is for a committal to Crown Court. Since there has been no hearing in the lower court, committal to the Crown Court cannot be because the Magistrates regard the case as too serious for them, as they haven't heard the evidence. It seems more likely that Barnard's lawyers have told the magistrates clerk that Barnard will plead Not Guilty and wishes to opt for trial by jury. We'll have to see if this is correct, but it could mean the matter not being resolved until after the season is over.

 

It's maybe jumping ahead somewhat, because if Barnard did not do the assault, or was provoked, or did not intend injury, he may get off or get a light sentence, but if he is guilty as charged, he will look like something of a thug, and despite his ability on the field may not be a player that SFC would want on its books.

[dan17]

Update - sorry couldn't see it anywhere else...... does this mean good or bad things???

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8970726.Saints_striker_in_court/

[Matthew Le God]

Well at least it means he is available for the rest of the season.

[richie]

For a trial at Crown court you are probably looking at late summer before it is heard.

[The9]

After the Court hearing in February, it was reported by The Echo that no plea was entered by Barnard's solicitor following which the case was adjourned to 31 March. It's now reported that this hearing, now postponed to 13th April, is for a committal to Crown Court. Since there has been no hearing in the lower court, committal to the Crown Court cannot be because the Magistrates regard the case as too serious for them, as they haven't heard the evidence. It seems more likely that Barnard's lawyers have told the magistrates clerk that Barnard will plead Not Guilty and wishes to opt for trial by jury. We'll have to see if this is correct, but it could mean the matter not being resolved until after the season is over.

 

It's maybe jumping ahead somewhat, because if Barnard did not do the assault, or was provoked, or did not intend injury, he may get off or get a light sentence, but if he is guilty as charged, he will look like something of a thug, and despite his ability on the field may not be a player that SFC would want on its books.

 

Sounds to me like the club has told him to stall for time to get the hearing into the close season, probably in exchange for representing him. This is of course purely speculation on my part.

[Jimmy_D]

Update - sorry couldn't see it anywhere else...... does this mean good or bad things???

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8970726.Saints_striker_in_court/

 

It means he'll be available for Saints until after the playoff final date, and we won't know if he's been found guilty until then.

[Turkish]

I think that anything below 5 foot 9 could be considered short for a footballer. If, as Matthew Le God says, Barnard is 5 foot 10, then the chant is unwarranted and should either be stopped immediately or altered to "he is reasonably short, for a footballer.....". Of course, the issue could be resolved quickly if Barnard just came out and said how tall he is, without boots on.

 

Also he isn't wanted by Scotland Yard, Scotland Yard is often used as a metonym for the Metropolitan Police Service of London, UK, as the incident happened in Southampton he is wanted by Hampshire police, nothing to do with Scotland yard at all, although isn't actually on their wanted list as he has been arrested and charged and is awaiting trial. this song is factually incorrect in all areas and should be scrapped.

[bunterboy99]

If its gone to a Crown Court, and he's found guilty, he's going to be eating some porridge

[Turkish]

Update - sorry couldn't see it anywhere else...... does this mean good or bad things???

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8970726.Saints_striker_in_court/

 

He'll see the season out with us then. Means he'll go to Crown Court for plea and directions in June. Trial might not be until next season now.

[Matthew Le God]

Also he isn't wanted by Scotland Yard, Scotland Yard is often used as a metonym for the Metropolitan Police Service of London, UK, as the incident happened in Southampton he is wanted by Hampshire police, nothing to do with Scotland yard at all, although isn't actually on their wanted list as he has been arrested and charged and is awaiting trial. this song is factually incorrect in all areas and should be scrapped.

 

I agree.

[Saint Charlie]

Seems crazy that a fairly run of the mill charge will end up being over his head for nearly a year!

[sambosa75]

NB

The school I went to was very very hard, harder than any school most people on here went to. FACT

 

Whatever mate, I went to Thornden. Come down here with that attitude and I'll show you how I roll... Hiltingbury style. You have been warned.

[Wade Garrett]

He'll get off easy if the jury are Saints fans.

[Wade Garrett]

The school I went to was very very hard, harder than any school most people on here went to. FACT

 

Was it made with special bricks?

[sambosa75]

Was it made with special bricks?

 

Solid granite.

[Hatch]

Whatever mate, I went to Thornden. Come down here with that attitude and I'll show you how I roll... Hiltingbury style. You have been warned.

 

Thornden RULZ! OK!

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Whatever mate, I went to Thornden. Come down here with that attitude and I'll show you how I roll... Hiltingbury style. You have been warned.

 

Ha Ha..... put down your tennis raquet and I'll meet you in the Arts theatre........

[keithd]

Wyvern turned over Thornden many times. Or was it Quilley? Or was it Tankerville?

[Matthew Le God]

This thread is now turning into a reenactment of the night in October last year...!

[hughieslastminutegoal]

After the Court hearing in February, it was reported by The Echo that no plea was entered by Barnard's solicitor following which the case was adjourned to 31 March. It's now reported that this hearing, now postponed to 13th April, is for a committal to Crown Court. Since there has been no hearing in the lower court, committal to the Crown Court cannot be because the Magistrates regard the case as too serious for them, as they haven't heard the evidence. It seems more likely that Barnard's lawyers have told the magistrates clerk that Barnard will plead Not Guilty and wishes to opt for trial by jury. We'll have to see if this is correct, but it could mean the matter not being resolved until after the season is over.

 

It's maybe jumping ahead somewhat, because if Barnard did not do the assault, or was provoked, or did not intend injury, he may get off or get a light sentence, but if he is guilty as charged, he will look like something of a thug, and despite his ability on the field may not be a player that SFC would want on its books.

 

He may well be lucky he hasn't been charged with violent disorder - the police's current favourite catch-all charge if three people even threaten aggro. The problem with the VD charge is that you could hit (or even threaten to hit) someone in self-defence, and if one other person joined in that could make up the three persons which is all the police need (apart fom a witness). You might not even know, have wanted or even expected a third to get involved, but get charged with VD rather than assualt (or affray) and face the much stiffer penalty. The choice of charge is becoming rather arbitrary, and arbitrariness is not justice.

Edited 13 April, 2011 by hughieslastminutegoal

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Shut up or I'll smash your stupid face in.

 

Ban him for being intelligencist.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Solid granite.

 

Not a patch on the school I went to. People only know of Noadswood in Dibden Purlieu cos of our rep as the hardest school in Hampshire. Or it certainly was in the mid to late 90s.

[Patrick Bateman]

Not a patch on the school I went to. People only know of Noadswood in Dibden Purlieu cos of our rep as the hardest school in Hampshire. Or it certainly was in the mid to late 90s.

 

B*llocks, I think us ex-Hardley lot would have something to say about that!