Thedelldays Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? Harding?? Are you mad ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? The other two maybe but Harding!? Not a chance he his deadwood. Dickson may be better in some areas but he is very much my prefered left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? those are not up to league 1??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 (edited) True, but were is the cut off point how much cover can we get in without bloating the squad? How many really good players are going to come in to sit on the bench knowing they're only there in case somone gets injuried? At some point we have to let our youth players come through the ranks and take a chance on them don't we? Players like Harding, Butterfield and Connolly would walk into most league one sides and are becoming mere fringe players for us. I doubt there is a team in the division that would have Barney starting on the bench most weeks. I see your point I really do, but at some point we have to say we have enough players don't we? Completely agree! We are still trying to get rid of some deadwood (Wotton, Pulis, Forecast, Holmes) and players like Reeves, McNish, Saville and Doble are at a point of "make-or-break" at Saints. We got talent waiting in the wings, as Dean, Ward-Prowse & Holdace-Spooner. We got young talent involved the first team in AOC, Gobern & Aaron Martin. We don't need cover at the moment, unless one of the first-teamers are sold - and apart from Puncheon, which may not happen anyway, that doens't seem to be the case. I'd rather give the opportunity to the kids, instead of signing an expensive back-up. Edited 14 January, 2011 by Danish Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? Harding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Its not me thats gone on record saying the club has tabled significant bids for players, its the squad. I am assuming NA and NC see something in the squad they are not yet comfortable with. Of course, it might be the squad has clicked and that this was prior to our 5 game winning streak. believe it was in the same interview you refer to that Adkins also said if those bids don't come off then he is not shopping aorund as this squad is good enough to win the league. My guess is they are either players who would do well in championship or young talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? Harding? Deadwood? The player second behind Lambert last season in Player of the Year, and still performing well this season. When did you last see a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 (edited) Holmes, Wotton, Forecast and Pulis are the last of the deadwood. TBH three of those I'd forgotten about Holmes - has had it I don't have problem getting rid. Forecast - get rid never going to play for us. Pulis - to be fair has at least gone out on loan (though I believe we're still playing his wages) don't think stockport can afford his wages but if they want him surely we'd give him away for free. Wotton - if we had a major midfield injury/suspension crisis I think he could be re-called from loan and do a job for a few games. Get rid in the summer though. Edited 14 January, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Possibly, if he was fit then no chance, but clearly he is a crock and probably should go. Harding ? Deary me. You must be joking. Mills ? Hardly 'deadwood'. The guys doing well in the Championship. But ultimately he is 3rd choice LB and should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I would be a bit concerned if Barnard were to be detained at 'her majesty's pleasure' ! If this were to happen I feel that a real pacy forward needs to be added to the mix ! Anyone know when he is next up before the beak ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Dont' need anymore new signings with one exception - Guly. If we lose him at the end of the loan period I think we'll be taking a step backwards - his workrate and ability to be in the right place at the right time has been key to turning the fortunes of the side around. He is doing the stuff Lambert did last season frankly and we need him to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Too many assumptions on here that everyone is going to stay, and stay fit. Lol, and that from you Alps. You are definitely, a glass half empty type of fella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizz Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? LOL! Harding... you've gotta be kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Alpine, are you seriously saying on the one hand we should get rid of "deadwood" like Harding, and on the other saying we should be signing up players who would be willing to come and be back-up in case of injury in a league one club? Can't you see the irony there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Too many assumptions on here that everyone is going to stay, and stay fit. But in this argument are you not assuming that it will only be Saints that have fixture back-logs, injuries and suspensions? Surely all teams will face the same problems. Every week, when we hear the opposing sides team news it is "ABC FC will be without player A who picked up a knock in Tuesday's game at BCD United. Player B is serving a one match ban and will not be available. We have a squad now of at least 18 very accomplished players. We saw, what was it - eight changes, for Blackpool? It made little difference to the performance and the outcome. I do not see the constant obsession with signing reserve/cover players. If we make a couple of bids for better players and we get them on the right terms then that is absolute bonus. How many cautions have we picked up in recent weeks and how many have suspension getting closer? I have not looked it up but our record in achieving good results, making lots of chances, scoring nearly four a game and conceding so few we have also picked up very few injuries and virtually no bookings. To me, the current squad looks more than capable of bridging any short term loss of one or two players, even if Adam Lallana is one. If a good Championship level player will join us now on realistic terms then fine, if not wait until the summer when there will be good business to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? Ugh? Harding deadwood? This some kind of typo or anagram or something, or just a evidence of your football judgement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 IF IF IF IF IF What is they all do? How on earth can you run a football club by signing players to cover incase all your best players get a long term injury? Do you honestly think we could sign anyone near as useful as Lallana? If he gets injured, our team is weaker. If we sign back up and he gets injured, our team is still weaker. It's tough enough for top Premiership clubs to cover for the loss of top players. No-one is saying Lallana won't get injured. Anyone could, with any severity, that's just a risk of football. We're lucky to have a few useful options and quite a good squad. Dickson has been a good L1 player and can cover Lallana, maybe Puncheon, maybe Gobern, maybe recall Mills. We've had some terrible managers who sign and sign and sign just leaving a bloated squad of average to poor players wasting money. It's unnecessary. The notion of 'sign more players' is ridiculous in itself. If there are people to improve the squad, brilliant, if we can't get our targets, then don't bother. Signing players who aren't as good as current backup got us in a world of financial, and footballing trouble, yet some fans seem to want any old players brought in. Like any other football club in the world, we have to hope our best players don't get long-term injuries. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Harding?? Are you mad ?? He doesn't watch the games any more, he has no idea about the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I'm not suprised, we don't need any ''major'' signings. We could well be better off waiting till the summer ''when'' we're promoted and see if we can attract real top top players. At the mo the squad is ok and should get us to the championship. but lol@alpine again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? Wow, its easy to tell you don't go to games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I go to games, and I think Harding is garbage. Can't pass, get's caught out badly position-wise, and has made his fair share of mistakes. I wouldn't be that upset if he went. Dickson and Mills are both very capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I go to games, and I think Harding is garbage. Can't pass, get's caught out badly position-wise, and has made his fair share of mistakes. I wouldn't be that upset if he went. Dickson and Mills are both very capable. But gong by the recent poll, at least half of the saints fans on here disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I go to games, and I think Harding is garbage. Can't pass, get's caught out badly position-wise, and has made his fair share of mistakes. I wouldn't be that upset if he went. Dickson and Mills are both very capable. Bit harsh, compared to what we've had there in recent seasons he's been a breath of fresh air. IMO anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I go to games, and I think Harding is garbage. Can't pass, get's caught out badly position-wise, and has made his fair share of mistakes. I wouldn't be that upset if he went. Dickson and Mills are both very capable. Garbage? DH is an excellent full back so sorry you're completely wrong in my view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Mills is a good player and Doncaster will have to stump up a decent fee if they want to buy him. I would say we had the best THREE left backs in L1 but Dickson offers something different in that he is also a quality LM. We MUST bring in one more striker though either perm or loan - Connolly is finished and that only leaves us Rickie, Barnie and Guly which with the fixture pile up and Barnie's injury record isn't enough. Whether we need one more wide player is purely contingent on whether Puncheon stays/goes/is motivated or not. Defensively and in midfield we look sound after Chaplow in, would like to see Gobern get a bit more game time in case Chaplow gets injured as we know what a poor combination Hammond/Morgan is. Put either of them alongside Chaplow's pace and energy though and they look far better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Harding ? LOLzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Harding?? Are you mad ?? He wouldn't know TDD, he has never seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 He wouldn't know TDD, he has never seen him play. for league 1...harding is pretty darn good...would not be out of place in a good NPC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I have - on relatively good authority - the view that Saints will NOT be signing any "marquee" players in this window. I still hate the term "marquee" (it's just French for "tent", right?). I understand that 3 quite substantial offers have been made - including to Crystal Palace and to Doncaster Rovers - but these are unlikely to lead to signings because either the club has not accepted the bid, or the player could not agree terms/was not interested. Saints also seem to be operating an "informal" pay ceiling of £10K per week. It's possible - but I'm not sure of this - that we have a few players tied to "top pay" contracts on this basis. So, for example, signing a new player on £12K a week, would possibly also involve giving a pay increase to c. 4 present players from £10K to £12k -meaning the real cost of signing such a player would actually be £20K a week. The salary issue is speculation. The substantial (and thus far rebuffed) NA bids are, I think, fact. The Doncaster bid is an interesting one. I guess most would assume that the bid would be for Brian Stock but a mate of mine from Sheffield tells me that it might have been for Billy Sharp, who was managed at S****horpe by a certain Nigel Adkins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 And now he's injured. Alpine, if Lallana gets injured for a length of time then there is not a player that can replace him and we already have some cover in the form of Ryan Dickson. You seem to fail to grasp that if we are getting injuries then other teams are also going to be in the same boat its just pot luck as to exactly who gets injured. At the moment we have 2 x good keepers, 8 x good defenders (cover for each position), 3 x good CM's plus Gobern, 2 x good midfielders for each wide position, 4 x quality strikers plus Doble. In addition there is also any youth prospects that may be under the radar at the moment. That all says to me we do not need to strengthen unless we sell someone, E.g. Punch. I also don't expect NA to sell Punch unless we get a stupid offer AND we can get someone in as well. The worst thing we can do is to buy / loan for the sake of it and lower the quality of the squad. We have stability and balance at the moment and that has contibuted massively to recent form. No need to bloat the squad with "cover" players who won't have a hope in hell of being the desired quality in the Championship as we can get loans in if we have a mini crisis (which would just be bad luck). I have said it before and will say it again, if we do not go up automatically, it will be absolutely nothing to do with cover in the squad as most of our players are good enough to get into the starting eleven of most L1 teams, even those teams in play-off positions now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 The lets get rid of some who simply arent needed any more. Thats the point though, our squad is now almost at an optimum level. They are all needed and there is not a player I can think of that does not come in and do a very good job when called upon right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 for league 1...harding is pretty darn good...would not be out of place in a good NPC team And indeed was part of the Reading team that got to the play-offs in their first season down from the premier league. Alpine has shot himself in the foot big time here.... and he wonders why a lot of people don't regard him as credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 IF IF IF IF IF What is they all do? How on earth can you run a football club by signing players to cover incase all your best players get a long term injury? Do you honestly think we could sign anyone near as useful as Lallana? If he gets injured, our team is weaker. If we sign back up and he gets injured, our team is still weaker. It's tough enough for top Premiership clubs to cover for the loss of top players. No-one is saying Lallana won't get injured. Anyone could, with any severity, that's just a risk of football. We're lucky to have a few useful options and quite a good squad. Dickson has been a good L1 player and can cover Lallana, maybe Puncheon, maybe Gobern, maybe recall Mills. We've had some terrible managers who sign and sign and sign just leaving a bloated squad of average to poor players wasting money. It's unnecessary. The notion of 'sign more players' is ridiculous in itself. If there are people to improve the squad, brilliant, if we can't get our targets, then don't bother. Signing players who aren't as good as current backup got us in a world of financial, and footballing trouble, yet some fans seem to want any old players brought in. Like any other football club in the world, we have to hope our best players don't get long-term injuries. This is absolutely bang on Bill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Mills is a good player and Doncaster will have to stump up a decent fee if they want to buy him. I would say we had the best THREE left backs in L1 but Dickson offers something different in that he is also a quality LM. We MUST bring in one more striker though either perm or loan - Connolly is finished and that only leaves us Rickie, Barnie and Guly which with the fixture pile up and Barnie's injury record isn't enough. Whether we need one more wide player is purely contingent on whether Puncheon stays/goes/is motivated or not. Defensively and in midfield we look sound after Chaplow in, would like to see Gobern get a bit more game time in case Chaplow gets injured as we know what a poor combination Hammond/Morgan is. Put either of them alongside Chaplow's pace and energy though and they look far better players. Disagree that Connolly is finished. He still looks like he can do the job when unleashed at this level, its just that we have better options in Lambo, Guly and Barney. Still useful to have him here until the end of the season as we won't get better "cover". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 We do need another winger as cover, but are probably better off getting in a loan than a stop gap signing who cant play in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 We do need another winger as cover, but are probably better off getting in a loan than a stop gap signing who cant play in the championship. Man city are looking to loan out SWP he do as cover........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 If someone like Lallana gets a long-term injury, we aint going to be able replace him in the loan market. we certainly aren't going to find it easy to buy a replacement, but we might loan someone of similar effectiveness - Lee Cook for example (sorry about being a broken record with that suggestion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Possibly, if he was fit then no chance, but clearly he is a crock and probably should go. Harding ? Deary me. You must be joking. Mills ? Hardly 'deadwood'. The guys doing well in the Championship. But ultimately he is 3rd choice LB and should go. Connelly has been fit for over two months now, he just isn't being selected (I have no problem with that). The same thing happened at the end of last season as well. Yes he is injury prone, but he's available far more than people give him credit for. He's a class act, and there still might be a time this season when we thank god we have him in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I'm guessing here, but IF Lallana (or any other player) sustains a long(ish) term injury, I expect we have insurance which would cover the cost of a loaned-in replacement. Buying more players for the squad "just in case" doesn't make good business sense. Mr.Cortese is running a sustainable business here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 If someone like Lallana gets a long-term injury, we aint going to be able replace him in the loan market. If Lallana gets and injury we ain't going to able to replace him at all. He's pretty good and we're L1. We'll have to hope that what we have can push on if that happens, but that's unlikely isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Whilst I agree that we will be unable to replace Lallana with a like for like replacement, there is no reason why we shouldn't bring in someone better than our current options to replace him while he's injured. It scares the c*ap out of me thinking that he may be out long term. Admittedly I haven't seen how Dickson has progressed recently, to know if he is an adequate replacement. Other than that, we are still lacking a front man with electric pace, which is an attribute we will need to break down teams if Lallana is out for a long length of time and we don't have his skill and the fear factor he creates in the oppo players. We also still need another pacy winger, as the Ox is the only one we have who is very fast, Puncheon can beat his man, but does not have the pace to then get away from him, in the way Chamberlain does. I would still love to see Papa brought back as he showed us last season that he can play both roles and therefore you are getting two players rolled into one with him. If Adkins does not take this opportunity to strengthen, then it will be akin to playing russian roulette, not just with his own job, but also with the squad, as you can be sure that we will lose the core of the team next summer if we don't get promoted, as Ox, Fonte, Morgan, Lambert and some of the others will be off to a higher level. I can't believe that Lallana hasn't had a promotion or bust clause written into his new contract either, so in all likelyhood next season we would have to buy a whole new team, that will not be as good as the one we have now. After all, as so many of you are saying which players of the calibre we want are going to be willing to come and play in this division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Just out of interest Alpine just what standard of player are you expecting to come to a 3rd tier club and hang around in the reserves waiting for someone to *maybe* get injured? Certainly no one better than Harding and probably no-one to the standard of Mills or Connolly. I know you haven't been to a game for a while but you do realise we're in League 1 don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 The replacement for Lallana (and we may see it happen this weekend) is Puncheon. This is the position he has been most effective for Millwall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 ... I still hate the term "marquee" (it's just French for "tent", right?). ... Well, the word marquee is applied to the sign above the entrance to a cinema or theatre. The name of the film (play, or musical) and one or two of the main actors in it, are usually posted on the marquee. The star names are thought to attract film-goers, regardless of the quality of the film. By analogy, therefore, marquee players are "stars" who can draw spectators to a game, regardless of the team's quality. David Beckham is a good example of a marquee player. People will often attend MLS games in North America just to see Beckham on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 Connolly ? Harding ? Mills ? Sorry there mate but Harding isnt deadwood still very good for us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 If this is the club's stance on transfers then I'm happy. Sure, a big signing will be great in the short term but financial stability is the most important thing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 If this is the club's stance on transfers then I'm happy. Sure, a big signing will be great in the short term but financial stability is the most important thing right now. ????? Has Lowe come back and we are on the stock exchange again ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 ????? Has Lowe come back and we are on the stock exchange again ?? I think what he's trying to get at is that it's pointless spalshing the cash when it's not urgent, as if we get stuck down here finincially we could end up in **** creek again. Even if you have lots of money it's always better to be prudent with it, rather than just spending it because it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 OK trying to explain over the cacophony of howls the two main points here : 1. Why did I refer to Harding as "Deadwood" ? Because he has fallen down the pecking order clearly, he may still be 2nd choice LB but he seems to have had some howlers this season. I know there is a contingent of fans who think criticism of any player is tantamount to selling your kids to a paedo, but Harding has been poor this season, I feel. OK, lets keep one of Mills and Harding and flog the other. 2. Lallana. Yes, in this form he is pretty much irreplaceable. And we were sh*te at the beginning of the season when he was injured. But he's injured again now. So, with question marks over the future of Puncheon and AOC, are some of you really advocating that we bury our head in the sand to the fact that we might be missing 3 or our first 6 midfielders and two of our most effective wingers in 2 weeks time ? And you still dont want to strengthen the squad ???? This thing about good players sitting in the ressies and not playing and therefore is a waste of money certainly isnt the case if we lose half our midfield by the end of the month, is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 January, 2011 Share Posted 14 January, 2011 I think what he's trying to get at is that it's pointless spalshing the cash when it's not urgent, as if we get stuck down here finincially we could end up in **** creek again. Even if you have lots of money it's always better to be prudent with it, rather than just spending it because it's there. Fine, but it isnt the most important thing right now, Promotion is. Hence I think NA and NC should de-riskthe chances of promotion as much as possible. If that means a couple more players, c'est la vie. And I agree with SFKA that no extra players is playing Russian Roulette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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