SO16_Saint Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 At the beginning of the transfer window it was reported that we had made substantial bids on players but as yet no news. What's happening?
thorpie the sinner Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Negotiating I imagine!! saints won't be held to ransom
trousers Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Negotiating I imagine!! saints won't be held to ransom If we were seriously interested in acquiring new players, wouldn't it have made more sense to have done the "negotiations" part in Nov/Dec so that we could hit the ground running on the "acquiring" part as early as possible in January? Yours Devil's Advocately...
lambertsrightleg Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Nothing. We have no money. wouldn't suprise me
Brussels Saint Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 (edited) If we were seriously interested in acquiring new players, wouldn't it have made more sense to have done the "negotiations" part in Nov/Dec so that we could hit the ground running on the "acquiring" part as early as possible in January? Yours Devil's Advocately... It's funny, as everyone says this every year, but it rarely happens even with the big clubs. I'm sure all Chairman and managers would prefer this option, but as I understand its basically a chain (bit like selling a house). We will only sell you this player if we can buy that player. What we need is a first time buyer! Edited 13 January, 2011 by Brussels Saint Can't spell funny
Dellman Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Just at the moment we don't need to buy and don't want to sell, just consolidate. We're getting away from football's madness of thinking it can solve every problem by flashing money.
100%Red&White Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 By "substantial bids" could that have been referring to big new contract offers to Lallana, OXO and Guly?
doddisalegend Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 A couple of months ago it seemed like we needed loads of players so many of them seemed off the pace. In the last few weeks everyone has started hitting form and right now I'd be happy not to upset the apple cart so to speak. The only question mark is Puncheon if he wants to stay and play then no problem, if he really wants to leave then I think we need a replacement for him.
Chez Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Nothing. We have no money. With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Lebeirr family are bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may be covering the large wages.
SO16_Saint Posted 13 January, 2011 Author Posted 13 January, 2011 Just at the moment we don't need to buy and don't want to sell, just consolidate. We're getting away from football's madness of thinking it can solve every problem by flashing money. This i agree with tbh. It's just the lure of bids being made and speculation builds excitement!
saint_stevo Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 i am glad this is in a new thread and not part of the Transfer Window one.
niceandfriendly Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 If we also manage to keep hold of OXO/AOC/OC and Guly as well as Chapers and Lallana, then I'd be happy if we only brought in one player. That's assuming Puncheon is off.
Burnsie Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Lebeirr family are bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may be covering the large wages. seriously?
forever a red and white Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Wages can't be too big anyway as Football League rules state that wages cannot be more than 60% of turnover/revenue
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Wages can't be too big anyway as Football League rules state that wages cannot be more than 60% of turnover/revenue There are many ways around that rule. I would suspect we are well over 60%
S-Clarke Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 i'm honestly not bothered if we sign anyone or not. (just Guly) Our squad is already good enough. Next summer we'll need to add a few more though.
buctootim Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Lebeirr family are bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may be covering the large wages. If that is accurate, I'd be very happy. If the club can fund itself out of Lg1 through good attendances it says to the Liebherr family that we are a good club with real potential and more worthy of the serious financial support for three years or so we'd need to get into the prem and stay there.
eelpie Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 The worst shocks happen during the last minutes of January. Roll on February. I'm happy with the squad! And don't want to hear that Alex has been tempted away in the last few minutes.
Toomer Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 (edited) As long as we do not let any of our more influencial players go I will be happy, if Punch wants to get on the bus most of us would happy as long as he is 100% and in it for the long haul. We may find that there a couple signings towards the end of the window (JMO, I am not ITK). Edited 13 January, 2011 by Toomer
alpine_saint Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 If we were seriously interested in acquiring new players, wouldn't it have made more sense to have done the "negotiations" part in Nov/Dec so that we could hit the ground running on the "acquiring" part as early as possible in January?Yours Devil's Advocately... Lol. Deja Vu. Saints have never done that...
saintjay77 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 i'm honestly not bothered if we sign anyone or not. (just Guly) Our squad is already good enough. Next summer we'll need to add a few more though. I think I would be happy if we just signed Guly long term. But several times its been mentioned that we are building to not only get out of league 1, but to compete for a top 6 in the Championship. Would the current squad do that or is there anyone that would need replacing? RJ in defence is not going to go on forever and its his experience that gets him out of bother in League 1. Is he the answer in a league above or is that a position we should stregnthen?
trousers Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Wages can't be too big anyway as Football League rules state that wages cannot be more than 60% of turnover/revenue Problem easily solved if Cortese sells a blade of St mary's grass for £50million to one of his Swiss banker pals and then buys it back again for (coincidently) the same price sometime later..... ;-) That's assuming the rules are just based around turnover rather than profit margins?
SaintNeil90 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 At the beginning of the transfer window it was reported that we had made substantial bids on players but as yet no news. What's happening? It was not 'reported', it came from Adkins mouth. Those substantial bids have obviously not been completed yet so they are either ongoing or not happening. The only people who know what's happening are Adkins/Cortese. If anything happens it will be on the OS. 'Simple as that'
SaintNeil90 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 If we were seriously interested in acquiring new players, wouldn't it have made more sense to have done the "negotiations" part in Nov/Dec so that we could hit the ground running on the "acquiring" part as early as possible in January? Yours Devil's Advocately... How do you know they weren't doing this? Did we not sign Chaplow this way? Maybe other negotiations that could have started in Nov/Dec are ongoing or fell apart. Just because we have not signed anyone doesn't mean we weren't trying before Jan!
SaintNeil90 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Lebeirr family are bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may be covering the large wages. We are a privately owned club. We will probably never see the accounts as Cortese/Liebherr's are not obliged to release them. The fact is Cortese says there is money there and 'substantial' amounts, so does it really matter where it is coming from.
Under Weststand Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 The January window always seems to be last minute, plenty of brinkmanship this month. Especially when your dealing with clubs that maybe need the money & its just holding your nerve & seeing who blinks first over the transfer fee! We seem in a pretty strong position at the moment, we do look like we've a strong squad so would probably not be catastrophic if we didn't get anyone in. Hopefully we can sign Guly on a permanent deal would be more than happy with Lallana & Guly on 4 year deals by the end of Jan. So 1 done 1 to complete.
SaintNeil90 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Just at the moment we don't need to buy and don't want to sell, just consolidate. We're getting away from football's madness of thinking it can solve every problem by flashing money. We are doing well at the moment! Not long ago we didnt have Puncheon or Barnard and a few players were off-form. If something similar happens again we need to be prepared.
VectisSaint Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Lebeirr family are bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may be covering the large wages. With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Liebherr family are not bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may not be covering the large wages.
saintjay77 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 We are a privately owned club. We will probably never see the accounts as Cortese/Liebherr's are not obliged to release them. The fact is Cortese says there is money there and 'substantial' amounts, so does it really matter where it is coming from. That kind of thought process saw Poopy fall from grace pretty swiftly. I think we can trust that the money is there and also trust that its there in a way that them down the road could only dream about. As long as its not there on dodgy grounds...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 We are a privately owned club. We will probably never see the accounts as Cortese/Liebherr's are not obliged to release them. The fact is Cortese says there is money there and 'substantial' amounts, so does it really matter where it is coming from. Also true. May become more relevant as we move up the football pyramid though.
eurosaint Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 If that is accurate, I'd be very happy. If the club can fund itself out of Lg1 through good attendances it says to the Liebherr family that we are a good club with real potential and more worthy of the serious financial support for three years or so we'd need to get into the prem and stay there. Surely the Liebherr family are feeling positive at the moment, even if only on a purely investment perspective ? Having bought the club for (allegedly) around 12-15 million, they could sell AOC for (maybe) 10 million ! That means that they are on the way to getting their money back in less than 2 years and still have the value of the stadium, training ground, players like Lallana etc, etc.... I would be amazed if they opted out even if they do not have the emotional ties that Markus clearly had !!
trousers Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 How do you know they weren't doing this? I don't. Was just throwing a possible scenario into the auditorium to promote healthy debate :-)
PokingFun Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 At the beginning of the transfer window it was reported that we had made substantial bids on players but as yet no news. What's happening? Maybe the clubs we have been bidding to don't want to sell their better players?
Saint_clark Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Surely the Liebherr family are feeling positive at the moment, even if only on a purely investment perspective ? Having bought the club for (allegedly) around 12-15 million, they could sell AOC for (maybe) 10 million ! That means that they are on the way to getting their money back in less than 2 years and still have the value of the stadium, training ground, players like Lallana etc, etc.... I would be amazed if they opted out even if they do not have the emotional ties that Markus clearly had !! Alternatively if we hold onto him he could be worth double that once we reach the Prem.
Chez Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 We are a privately owned club. We will probably never see the accounts as Cortese/Liebherr's are not obliged to release them. The fact is Cortese says there is money there and 'substantial' amounts, so does it really matter where it is coming from. of course it does. IF, and it's a big if, we are self sufficient, then the Lebheirr family have less reason to sell. Also relying on the owner to settle all debts at the end of year leaves the club exposed to the sorts of problems the skates face when that owner decides to up sticks and call in any loans the club may have taken out with that owner. I don't know if we are anywhere near self sufficient, it all depends on the wages being earned. I hope so.
saintjay77 Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Do we need more players? Will the current team get us into the top 6 of the championship next year? (as long as we get promoted this year of course)
Chez Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Liebherr family are not bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may not be covering the large wages. certainly a possibility. We can only do back of a fag packet maths that rely heavily on guesswork when it comes to players earnings.
Chez Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Do we need more players? If you rate what we have, then you need to think, if any single player gets injured is there top class cover for that player and if push comes to shove someone after that to cover? If someone leaves then that changes things a little too.
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Will the current team get us into the top 6 of the championship next year? (as long as we get promoted this year of course) Probably yes.Leeds and Norwich seem to be doing OK, can't remember what their recruitment was like last summer though. There's a lot of crap in the NPC,a lot of very financially unstable clubs who blow hot and cold depending on what's in the kitty at transfer time. We have several players who'd not be disgraced at the highest level,certainly no worse than a lot of the crap that I see on show at Newcastle,Wigan or even Liverpool.
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Hopefully we can sign Guly on a permanent deal would be more than happy with Lallana & Guly on 4 year deals by the end of Jan. So 1 done 1 to complete. Guly on a 4 year deal ? Would he cut it in the premiership? I doubt it. He's already 29.
Viking Warrior Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 I don't think we need anymore players. we have a brilliant squad and NA has varying playing options. As for strikers we have also connolly who is yet to play I know he his injury prone but he is getting fitter and stronger by the day My real reason for not requiring any new players is simply down to the the togetherness of the whole squad. if we bring some one in now it could well destabalise the playing ethos aand togetherness we currently have amongst the current players.
Andy Durman Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Lets not forgot what happened when we bought in the previous January transfer window. Our form dipped. It took time for the team to gel. We lost ground and eventually played catch up before missng out on the play offs. Why sign Guly now when he is on a season long loan. Don't commit until you have to. We have already agreed a fee should we wish to purchase. Ow and one other thing. Its a good job Guly doesn't read this site (Taxi For Guly) Thank god some of you don't run this club.
Give it to Ron Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 Lets not forgot what happened when we bought in the previous January transfer window. Our form dipped. It took time for the team to gel. We lost ground and eventually played catch up before missng out on the play offs. Why sign Guly now when he is on a season long loan. Don't commit until you have to. We have already agreed a fee should we wish to purchase. Ow and one other thing. Its a good job Guly doesn't read this site (Taxi For Guly) Thank god some of you don't run this club. Guly is not on a season long loan - its expires on the 23rd?? It was a 5 month loan deal.
SO16_Saint Posted 13 January, 2011 Author Posted 13 January, 2011 Lets not forgot what happened when we bought in the previous January transfer window. Our form dipped. It took time for the team to gel. We lost ground and eventually played catch up before missng out on the play offs. Why sign Guly now when he is on a season long loan. Don't commit until you have to. We have already agreed a fee should we wish to purchase. Ow and one other thing. Its a good job Guly doesn't read this site (Taxi For Guly) Thank god some of you don't run this club. Perhaps our recent good form and team spirit has put paid to any transfers in January and any team strengthening will be in the summer when we are looking forward to a promotion push - to the Prem.
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 With no accounts available there is still nothing to suggest that the Lebeirr family are bankrolling the club in any way. The large crowds may be covering the large wages. large crowds also paying NPC wages to some of our players and paying for the training ground improvements..? I suspect not
SnailOB Posted 13 January, 2011 Posted 13 January, 2011 My real reason for not requiring any new players is simply down to the the togetherness of the whole squad. if we bring some one in now it could well destabalise the playing ethos aand togetherness we currently have amongst the current players. Agree with this. The recent run of results, since the shambles that was the Brentford game, have been remarkable. We seem to have pretty good cover across the squad. Only concern I have is if either AOC or Punch go then we would need replacements for right midfield. Surely that should be adequate for now.
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