miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I voted No. Sounds like a very mean-spirited thing to do, but I think a lasting tribute should be decided in talks with the family, not the fans. From what I've read, Markus was a very private, modest and quiet man. I'd really like the decision to be taken by Cortese and the Liebherrs. It would be rather awkward if the fans were loudly demanding a particular tribute that wasn't considered appropriate by the family. Although his time with us was tragically limited, it was much more than a footnote! TBF no decision will be made by the fans. The results of any poll can be seen by NC and the family and any decision will be theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted ML bought us when he did. But it was a wise investment. To listen to some posters on here would be to believe ML had Red and White blood cursing through his veins from birth. He bought us as an investment (nothing wrong with that) and very sadly died a few months later. I don't want to belittle him or his memory at all, but in the history of SFC it's only a foot note. You are usually a spot, no nonsense sort of guy and i can see where you are coming from. ML probabaly hadnt even heard of us previously but he quite clearly grew to love us. Yes an investment initially, and yeah, if it wasnt him it definately would have been someone else, we would not have gone, no way, but who would it have been? We saw some of the candidates and frankly, if one of them had taken over, well the scorers last night wouldn'y have been playing let alone scoring! I think you footnote comment is a little in bad taste mate, specially since the old man died! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumuah Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I personally think the STADIUM should be named after him, not just a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I personally think the STADIUM should be named after him, not just a stand. I would go along with this the St Markus Stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I voted No. Sounds like a very mean-spirited thing to do, but I think a lasting tribute should be decided in talks with the family, not the fans. From what I've read, Markus was a very private, modest and quiet man. I'd really like the decision to be taken by Cortese and the Liebherrs. It would be rather awkward if the fans were loudly demanding a particular tribute that wasn't considered appropriate by the family. Although his time with us was tragically limited, it was much more than a footnote! Dont understand this, why would would he not have the stand named after him for private reasons when his company is called Liebherr? Personally I think we should name the ****ing stadium after him, The Marcus Leibherr St Marys Stadium, would have no problem with that. And, yeah, lets show the watching tv world that we can sing, and lets make a concereted effort to frequently sing his name during the game, this should roll on... and snowball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 This should tie in with making the Chapel the new 'Kop' and rename it after the great man. There would immediately be an emotional attachment to that stand. I think the Itchen Stand would be more appropriate. It's where he sat, and is opposite the camera gantry for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I am sure i read on here that following one of Cortese'es Season ticket dinners that the tribute would be to name the training ground after Markus. Training ground or Stand, i'm not fussed either way, but he must be remembered in some LASTING way. We came as close as anyone (Days) to having the plug pulled. ML and Cortese saved this club and that should never be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffin Blades Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Now that is a good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Wow, look at that. I suggested this a while ago and you all shot me down. Sorry. In future i'll just wait for the 6-0 win to suggest these thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I'd be in favour of naming a stand after him, so long as it got the approval of the Liebherr family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I really believe a stand should be named after him.. I would happily see the stadium named after him tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 This should tie in with making the Chapel the new 'Kop' and rename it after the great man. There would immediately be an emotional attachment to that stand. I completely agree with this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Dont understand this, why would would he not have the stand named after him for private reasons when his company is called Liebherr? Actually, it's called MALI? I would like to see his name immortalised in some fashion, but I feel that should be for his family to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Actually, it's called MALI? I would like to see his name immortalised in some fashion, but I feel that should be for his family to decide. okay, but he has his name on the cranes etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I hope our new sponsors are adding extra noughts to the contract they are going to offer us after last nights performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Yes we should. Markus loved Saints and he saved the club. He should always been remembered and naming a stand after him is a permanent memorial to a lovely man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 For people voting No because you think the family won't like it, well... should you not let them decide that?! I voted yes because I think it'd be a fitting tribute, if Nicola/The Family then decide that they'd prefer not to go ahead with it then so be it. I'm sure they'd be touched just hear we're even having this discussion, like they were when they saw the tributes outside the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 The photographs, my daughter and I have from our day at Wembley.. tells me everything I want to know about Markus.... He is stood up smiling and taking his own photographs..He grew to LOVE Saints and that day out cemented a fantastic bond between him and many of us. A picture is worth a thousand words..... The man is a God and should and will be remembered by Saints fans forever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Actually, it's called MALI? I would like to see his name immortalised in some fashion, but I feel that should be for his family to decide. Yes and MALI stands for MArkus LIebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I think all 4 stands should be renamed after legends with the decision going to the fans. It would be great for the club to put something really important into the hands of the fans with a voting system being the obvious way to do it. We could be given a choice of 6-8 legends with the most popular 4 given the nod. I'd guess we'd probably end up with Bates, Le Tissier, Channon and Liebherr but possibly Paine or McMenemy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I voted no also, as Markus' legacy is not in the stadium or the football side. He will be remembered as the saviour of the whole club, the man that kept a city's heartbeat alive. In years to come he will be known as the man who got Saints back where they belong, but who was taken from us so cruelly before he could see it. Leave the stadium for our great managers and players, a Channon, le Tissier, Paine, Davies, McMenemy, Adkins () stand is fine. Markus means more than that. He has become an integral part of Saints great history, and the fact that we will be singing his name all the way to the Champions League is tribute enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I don't disagree with a stand etc being named after him but that gift is the responsibility of the club. This thread seems to suggest a permanent memorial by the fans, in which case some sort of meaningful chant which is not the same as any others around the country might be a nice idea as would having his picture on the banner etc. I think it's something we as a group of supporters should make some kind of effort on. Did he have any particular charity he was keen on that we could organise collections/events annually for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I really feel we need a permanent dedication to Markus, who will forever be a hero to all Saints supporters. We were incredibly lucky and actually got the new owner that we would have most wanted but never dreamt would happen. A lovely, kindly, grandfatherly man who just loved Saints as much as any of us and who was a billionaire to boot! Love to have a stand named after Markus, or the whole stadium and/or a statue. We can't let Markus name slip away in a year or two, he's now a club legend for all time, in a different way but similar to Ted Bates standing. Both Ted and Markus were outstanding human beings and the city of Southampton was privileged to have them among us and guiding our great club. So, yes a lasting tribute is required please, it's clearly the wish of the people ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I think all 4 stands should be renamed after legends with the decision going to the fans. It would be great for the club to put something really important into the hands of the fans with a voting system being the obvious way to do it. We could be given a choice of 6-8 legends with the most popular 4 given the nod. I'd guess we'd probably end up with Bates, Le Tissier, Channon and Liebherr but possibly Paine or McMenemy? Thinks that is the way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Yes and MALI stands for MArkus LIebherr. Indeed, but Liebherr and Mali are different companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 If there is to be any sort of campaign it HAS to be for the stadium to be named after Markus not a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 NOt against a stand renaming at all - would welcome a decent tribute as it would thoroughly deserved... but my only point would be, would it not be best to look at what options of a suitable tribute there are and then let those who knew him personally decide or at leat help in the selction. The point made earlier is that ML was not one for the grand gesture, as that wonderful image of him taking pictures at Wembley shows - teh simple joy of seeing his team win, is something that should be indelibly marked on all Saints fans... simply wonderful and its that spirit we should be trying to capture I think ? Just a thought and would fully support a stand/stadium/stature/garden/training ground/or even rename the charity thing after him lots of options, but the best choice to ensure something would meet his approval is probably best left to those who knew him best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I don't think he would have wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I think ML was probably a really great guy. But was he our 'savior' ? No. Would we have gone bust if he hadn't bought us ? The evidence strongly suggests not. Because there were a lot of people willing to takeover had Markus not wasn't there? The club we know today would have folded, a new club may have been started but it wouldn't have been the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I voted No. Yes, I'm grateful and all , but surely we should wait until we have achieved something. ie back in the Premiership. Ask the question again then and I will vote yes. I think everyones getting a bit carried away. We only played Oldham FFS. What will people aski for if we beat Man utd, they will be wanting to rename hampshire to marcushire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 (edited) Statue FTW.... or maybe not. As brilliant as this / last season has been, and I do understand the significance of the Liebherrs investment, I do struggle to get carried away with the Marcus love in that happens everytime we win. God rest his sole, I do think the bloke is a hero but not to the level that a stand should be named after him. Edited 12 January, 2011 by Saint_Jonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Statue FTW.... or maybe not. As brilliant as this / last season has been, and I do understand the significance of the Liebherrs investment, I do struggle to get carried away with the Marcus love in that happens everytime we win. God rest his sole, I do think the bloke is a hero but not to the level that a stand should be named after him. Markus had a fish? No but seriously, I do know what you mean. Everyone is different but I guess I just feel less attachment to him than some because he wasn't here for long (hardly any time over my entire saints supporting life) and I didn't know him personally. Very grateful that he saved something I love but maybe not to the same degree that many are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Voted no - don't get me wrong the man's a legend but St Marys is way more Saints than Markus and reckon he'd want it that way. Rename the Itchen stand I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I think he deserves a stand named after him for sure. Without the guy we could of gone under. There would of been no club to support. Our long history really could of come to an end if this great man had not stepped in and saved us. And then on top of that he helped to re-build the infrastructure behind the scenes which will hopefully go on to keep us in good stability for many years to come. However i don't think the stadium should be named after him. It should remain St Marys as we all know the connection between that and our club. It was in our name for a period, it is where we are from. It should never be forgotten in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted ML bought us when he did. But it was a wise investment. To listen to some posters on here would be to believe ML had Red and White blood cursing through his veins from birth. He bought us as an investment (nothing wrong with that) and very sadly died a few months later. I don't want to belittle him or his memory at all, but in the history of SFC it's only a foot note. It was not a footnote. It was the beginning of a new chapter, perhaps, I hope the start of a great new era. The era between 2004 and 2010 was one of the most disastrous of the clubs history. Markus saved this club and therefore his place in the clubs history is immense ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Voted no - Rename the Itchen stand I say. so you voted 'no' in a poll on renaming a stand after him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I think ML was probably a really great guy. But was he our 'savior' ? No. Would we have gone bust if he hadn't bought us ? The evidence strongly suggests not. Not sure what evidence you're looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I voted No. Sounds like a very mean-spirited thing to do, but I think a lasting tribute should be decided in talks with the family, not the fans. From what I've read, Markus was a very private, modest and quiet man. I'd really like the decision to be taken by Cortese and the Liebherrs. It would be rather awkward if the fans were loudly demanding a particular tribute that wasn't considered appropriate by the family. Although his time with us was tragically limited, it was much more than a footnote! this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I voted no, I like how the stands are named geographically, linking them intrinsically with the stadium's location and its roots with the area, St Marys means more in the club's history than Marcus. I'm delighted he saved the club, but there have been a great number of individuals associated with us in the past. Either rename all the stands after people, or keep them the same, and I'd prefer to keep them same. Would rather a different tribute, paint a mural, name a suite, even a street or the training ground after him (since it would be something his money has directly built). To name a stand or the stadium would belittle the achievements of Ted Bates, MLT, T Paine, A Ball, C Miller and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 As another poster has said,how he would have enjoyed the recent results, perhaps the addition of a small Swiss flag in our crest or the initials M.L. on the end of the scarf would be appropriate for that modest man rather than a big statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Not sure what evidence you're looking at. It was pretty clear that Saints were an excellent investment opportunity, that's why we attracted someone like Leibherr - there is no way we would have gone under. I think naming a stand after Leibherr would be a fitting tribute though. Sure many people have made greater contributions (players, manager etc) but what Marcus did, and how tragically soon he died makes it a unique situation - he deserves a fitting tribute. Matt le Tiss, Channon, Bates, Paine etc will always have their names in the history books because of what they achieved, naming a stand is a good way of having Marcus' name live on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_barmy_saints_army Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 wouldn't it be epic if instead of us singing, chapel give us a song etc., it would be Liebherr give us a song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 As another poster has said,how he would have enjoyed the recent results, perhaps the addition of a small Swiss flag in our crest or the initials M.L. on the end of the scarf would be appropriate for that modest man rather than a big statement. God no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 so you voted 'no' in a poll on renaming a stand after him? I can see how amusing that is and you're right note to self - pay more attention to the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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