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He was ok today - nothing more.

 

His touch and build-up play is always pretty good, exquisite at times...but unfortunately it's that final pass or that final shot that he's lacking with us at the moment.

 

He's not going anywhere now that's for sure.

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Played in an excellent ball for Guly who shot when' date=' if he'd spotted Chambo, could've meant us going one up. Great vision and execution but needs to happen more often during the course of a game.[/quote']

 

But as others have asked, how is it he can give match winning performances at Millwall, yet be mediocre in front of goal for us ?

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Jason Puncheon put in what was for him a perfectly typical performance yesterday - occasional flashes of genuine talent nullified by a utter lack of composure at the critical moment - as evidence by his squandering of our best scoring opportunity against Notts County on 19 minutes. I know there are a few on here who still rate him as some kind of special player, it seems to me those who have come to hold a less generous view may well posses a more secure grip on what is the actual worth of this player to this team.

 

Frankly I'll be glad to see the back of him.

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Glad to see Puncehon got the bus today. Thought he did ok, still woeful finishing.

 

Glad to see he got a positive send off when substituted.

 

yes it was nice thought he played well but i can still see him being a scapegoat for a certain section of our fanbase when we do not win .pity about jaidi missing our best chance on the header yesterday but draw about right.

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He pinged a few 30+ yard passes which were inch perfect, but then couldn't carry out a 5/10 yd pass when it was needed...I rate Punch, but if he cant do it for Southampton there is no point us keeping him.

 

This comment hits the nail on the head for me; If we are to be without Adam for a while, can Punch fill those shoes? .....err....don't think he can, sadly.

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Jason Puncheon put in what was for him a perfectly typical performance yesterday - occasional flashes of genuine talent nullified by a utter lack of composure at the critical moment - as evidence by his squandering of our best scoring opportunity against Notts County on 19 minutes. I know there are a few on here who still rate him as some kind of special player, it seems to me those who have come to hold a less generous view may well posses a more secure grip on what is the actual worth of this player to this team.

 

Frankly I'll be glad to see the back of him.

 

Is that the one where he took a touch when should have put his laces through the ball and hit it first time.

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Is that the one where he took a touch when should have put his laces through the ball and hit it first time.

 

Very well, but it's not as if Lallana doesn't occasionally balls up the odd chance is it.Missed a couple on Tuesday if I remember correctly.AL is a good player but he's not a 100% chance converter as yet.Puncheon and Lallana are different players and it probably needs a system adapted to each's specific qualities rather than a one size fits all system.

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I got very angry when he blasted one over the bar. He can hit the target all the time for Millwall

 

How angry did you get? Can you give yourself an anger rating between 1 and 10, 1 being a veritable sea of tranquility and 10 being blood vessel-bursting ire and rage?

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Pucheon's performance yesterday is exactly what he has been producing for us for all the time he's been here. You might think it's OK or not, but it wasn't different. Personally I don't think it is contributing anything substantial enough to warrant him to stay at the club.
I agree. He had a decent game against Blackpool and tried hard yesterday but for whatever reason he fails to make a difference. Flatters to deceive.

 

Yesterday was a great chance to come out from the shadow of Lallana (assuming that was one of his confidence problems) but he failed for me.

 

Not being critical of his miss. Guly and Lallana miss similar chances almost every week. It is his positive contribution that is missing although he did put one pass through to Guly which may show why Millwall rate him

 

I think we need to keep him as a squad player but would not mind if he goes providing we can get a better player in

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Six or seven players far worse than Puncheon yesterday.......

 

Subs Puncheon when AOC had run out of idea, legs and will..

 

Poor team performance very poor Manager display..

 

Move on to the next game when hopefully everyone will pick up wher we left off against Blackpool, Exeter etc..

 

Dickson and Richardson ...Just not their day...

 

Our Nigel.. has got to be off loading Punch.. but should still think about the use of AOC

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My mate yesterday started to slate Puncheon when he made a mistake, then stopped immediately when he realised it was in fact Chamberlain. Sort of sums it up for me. So he missed a good chance - so ****ing what, who hasn't.

 

Puncheon is obviously good enough for League 1, it's up to our manager to get the best out of him.

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I agree. He had a decent game against Blackpool and tried hard yesterday but for whatever reason he fails to make a difference. Flatters to deceive.

 

Yesterday was a great chance to come out from the shadow of Lallana (assuming that was one of his confidence problems) but he failed for me.

 

Not being critical of his miss. Guly and Lallana miss similar chances almost every week. It is his positive contribution that is missing although he did put one pass through to Guly which may show why Millwall rate him

 

I think we need to keep him as a squad player but would not mind if he goes providing we can get a better player in

 

He is obviously doing something very useful at Millwall, although I don't know what. Yesterday was, I think, a typical Pucheon performance. As we know there are fans here who think that those performances are great, but it frustrates the hell out of me. I think there is some fundamental flaw in JP's make up where he finds it very difficult to cooperate naturally with his fellow players. There is an element of "look at me" about him which makes him run into dead ends. Whether that is a subject for coaching, management or psychoanalysis may be another discussion point, but I would rather he practiced it elsewhere. I don't think he could carry the role of squad player without repeated major sulks and poor or mediocre performances. He wants to go, so why not let him.

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My mate yesterday started to slate Puncheon when he made a mistake, then stopped immediately when he realised it was in fact Chamberlain. Sort of sums it up for me. So he missed a good chance - so ****ing what, who hasn't.

 

Puncheon is obviously good enough for League 1, it's up to our manager to get the best out of him.

 

That is what ****es me off. When Puncheon (or any other current wipping boy - Guly a few weeks back for example) misses a chance and fans are all over him, moaning and groaning and shouting abuse. Anyone else and their name is sung even when missing. Lallana has missed so many chances in the last month or two its not true, but he will nevefr have fans moaning and groaning at him.

 

Other than the slide rule pass to Guly in the first half their was also a delightful inside ball to Chamberlain in the second, from which he should have shot first time, however, he took and extra touch and the real chance was then lost before shooting wayward. Great vision from Puncheon and not a groan in sight for Chamberlain. If the roles had been reversed I don't doubt for a second that half the stadium would have jumped on hs back for taking the wrong choice. Its the same for Davis and Bart's kicking.

 

I too was extremely pleased with the reception given when he was subbed. He didn't have his best game for us by a long chalk, but he wasn't too bad either. I am glad there are fans out there willing to back him. Hopefully at some point in the near future the whole stadium will get behind him. It will be to our benefit.

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That is what ****es me off. When Puncheon (or any other current wipping boy - Guly a few weeks back for example) misses a chance and fans are all over him, moaning and groaning and shouting abuse. Anyone else and their name is sung even when missing. Lallana has missed so many chances in the last month or two its not true, but he will nevefr have fans moaning and groaning at him.

 

Other than the slide rule pass to Guly in the first half their was also a delightful inside ball to Chamberlain in the second, from which he should have shot first time, however, he took and extra touch and the real chance was then lost before shooting wayward. Great vision from Puncheon and not a groan in sight for Chamberlain. If the roles had been reversed I don't doubt for a second that half the stadium would have jumped on hs back for taking the wrong choice. Its the same for Davis and Bart's kicking.

 

I too was extremely pleased with the reception given when he was subbed. He didn't have his best game for us by a long chalk, but he wasn't too bad either. I am glad there are fans out there willing to back him. Hopefully at some point in the near future the whole stadium will get behind him. It will be to our benefit.

 

Agree with all of this.

 

Jaidi missed a sitter from a great cross from Puncheon (a corner) but looking at the bigger picture it would be unfair to say Jaidi had a bad game. Likewise, Puncheon.

 

The problem yesterday was that we were a bit impatient and should have played a much slower game as soon as it became obvious Lambert was going to get no joy at all.

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Starting to get some sensible comments about Puncheo now! I agree with the person who said his performances are about the same as earlier in the season. I still rate him and thought he did not do much wrong yesterday apart from the glaring miss which unfortunately arrived on his weaker right foot. He had time to take a touch maybe but not three :)) Shame he will be rmemebered by some for that miss rather than the hard work for the other 99% of his time on the pitch.

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Don't think Punch's chance was very easy - the cross wasn't good enough: Punch had to get it under control with a defender closing in before getting a shot off - being slightly to the side of the six-yard box, he also didn't have much to aim at - it would have taken a ridiculously good shot to have beaten the keeper at the near-post.

 

On the other hand, as Weston Saint puts it, Punch flattered to deceive. At no point did he beat his man and get behind County (it was similar under pardew where he cut in alot). At least, Guly and Chambo did, even if the end result petered out - usually as other defenders came in and hacked them down.

 

I don't think Punch's best position is as an out-and-out wide man where he gets too isolated and is asked to take people on - as he's tidy on the ball and links up well with others, he's probably better in the middle or just off the strikers.

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My mate yesterday started to slate Puncheon when he made a mistake, then stopped immediately when he realised it was in fact Chamberlain. Sort of sums it up for me. So he missed a good chance - so ****ing what, who hasn't.

 

Puncheon is obviously good enough for League 1, it's up to our manager to get the best out of him.

 

yes i noticed that to

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He is obviously doing something very useful at Millwall, although I don't know what. Yesterday was, I think, a typical Pucheon performance. As we know there are fans here who think that those performances are great, but it frustrates the hell out of me. I think there is some fundamental flaw in JP's make up where he finds it very difficult to cooperate naturally with his fellow players. There is an element of "look at me" about him which makes him run into dead ends. Whether that is a subject for coaching, management or psychoanalysis may be another discussion point, but I would rather he practiced it elsewhere. I don't think he could carry the role of squad player without repeated major sulks and poor or mediocre performances. He wants to go, so why not let him.

 

He does't hurt the opposition - ever! (playing for us) If JS is the answer, what is the question?

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That is what ****es me off. When Puncheon (or any other current wipping boy - Guly a few weeks back for example) misses a chance and fans are all over him, moaning and groaning and shouting abuse. Anyone else and their name is sung even when missing. Lallana has missed so many chances in the last month or two its not true, but he will nevefr have fans moaning and groaning at him.

 

Other than the slide rule pass to Guly in the first half their was also a delightful inside ball to Chamberlain in the second, from which he should have shot first time, however, he took and extra touch and the real chance was then lost before shooting wayward. Great vision from Puncheon and not a groan in sight for Chamberlain. If the roles had been reversed I don't doubt for a second that half the stadium would have jumped on hs back for taking the wrong choice. Its the same for Davis and Bart's kicking.

 

I too was extremely pleased with the reception given when he was subbed. He didn't have his best game for us by a long chalk, but he wasn't too bad either. I am glad there are fans out there willing to back him. Hopefully at some point in the near future the whole stadium will get behind him. It will be to our benefit.

I thought that he had a good game against Blackpool and again yesterday. As I said on another thread, some of his cross-field passes to AOC were superb. One missed chance, when he slipped and he`s a knob!! Give the guy a chance. It wasn`t too long ago when the know-it-alls said that Guly was on a par with Ali Dia! Now they all want him signed up! Football fans, eh??

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Pucheon's performance yesterday is exactly what he has been producing for us for all the time he's been here. You might think it's OK or not, but it wasn't different. Personally I don't think it is contributing anything substantial enough to warrant him to stay at the club.

 

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I thought that he had a good game against Blackpool and again yesterday. As I said on another thread, some of his cross-field passes to AOC were superb. One missed chance, when he slipped and he`s a knob!! Give the guy a chance. It wasn`t too long ago when the know-it-alls said that Guly was on a par with Ali Dia! Now they all want him signed up! Football fans, eh??

 

Ands it equally annoying how some players become rallying points for fans who think they know their football, dismissing others, the fickle herd as blind idiots who only see part of the game. Those fans aren't as insightful or knowledgeable as they think are. Others then cower and bow to their supposed wisdom.

 

Puncheon was OK but wasn't that good - there was no real penetration to his game - he never beat his man etc. Out of our attacking players yesterday, he was probably the least effective, with Lambert just behind. Most of the diagonal balls, if i remember, came from Morgan who was my MOTM.

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Ands it equally annoying how some players become rallying points for fans who think they know their football, dismissing others, the fickle herd as blind idiots who only see part of the game. Those fans aren't as insightful or knowledgeable as they think are. Others then defer to their supposed wisdom.

 

Puncheon was OK but wasn't that good - there was no real penetration to his game - he never beat his man etc. Out of our attacking players yesterday, he was probably the least effective, with Lambert just behind. Most of the diagonal balls, if i remember, came from Morgan who was my MOTM.

I was not suggesting that JP was Saints answer to Ronaldo, but he is a better player than some of the posters on here suggest. BTW, I sit right in the centre of the Kingsland, just afew rows back and I can assure you that twice he put virtually pin-point passes across the field to AOC on the other touch-line from just in front of us..

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Typical Puncheon yesterday. Some moments of class, showing why clubs from the Championship have shown interest. But in between them moments of class, he shows no composure on the ball, playing a pass or in front of goal, which is why he is still in League One and why Millwall only offered us £150,000 for him.

 

IMO, he will not be with us if we get promoted and are going for the Prem, because he just is not good/consistent enough.

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I was not suggesting that JP was Saints answer to Ronaldo, but he is a better player than some of the posters on here suggest. BTW, I sit right in the centre of the Kingsland, just afew rows back and I can assure you that twice he put virtually pin-point passes across the field to AOC on the other touch-line from just in front of us..

 

Not (unfairly) trying to compare him Ronaldo, just saying that he was our least effective attacking player yesterday (obviously, that's not saying much - others weren't a million miles better).

 

His performance against Blackpool was slightly better which might have something to do with him playing in a slightly different position. I don't think he has it in his locker to play wide midfield, beat men and get to the byline. He's much better in the middle.

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That is what ****es me off. When Puncheon (or any other current wipping boy - Guly a few weeks back for example) misses a chance and fans are all over him, moaning and groaning and shouting abuse. Anyone else and their name is sung even when missing. Lallana has missed so many chances in the last month or two its not true, but he will nevefr have fans moaning and groaning at him.

 

Other than the slide rule pass to Guly in the first half their was also a delightful inside ball to Chamberlain in the second, from which he should have shot first time, however, he took and extra touch and the real chance was then lost before shooting wayward. Great vision from Puncheon and not a groan in sight for Chamberlain. If the roles had been reversed I don't doubt for a second that half the stadium would have jumped on hs back for taking the wrong choice. Its the same for Davis and Bart's kicking.

 

I too was extremely pleased with the reception given when he was subbed. He didn't have his best game for us by a long chalk, but he wasn't too bad either. I am glad there are fans out there willing to back him. Hopefully at some point in the near future the whole stadium will get behind him. It will be to our benefit.

 

you are right, to an extent, but i expect the reason lallana, OC and now guly don't have groans for a miss is because they also score or get assists in addition.

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As with all players I think JP maybe has some inconsistency in his play due to a lack of confidence - It's a shame that he has often been the subject of some criticism as he has shown that he is a good player. Often players know when the crowd is on their back and I do believe this can have a knock on effect - maybe he feels unwanted here.

As a team pushing for promotion we should be giving our 100% support to those who cross the white line , it is a shame there always seems one player that gets a rough deal - lets get behind Jason and stop being negative - we have an excellent chance of winning this league and we will need every experienced player on board

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That is what ****es me off. When Puncheon (or any other current wipping boy - Guly a few weeks back for example) misses a chance and fans are all over him, moaning and groaning and shouting abuse. Anyone else and their name is sung even when missing. Lallana has missed so many chances in the last month or two its not true, but he will nevefr have fans moaning and groaning at him.

 

Other than the slide rule pass to Guly in the first half their was also a delightful inside ball to Chamberlain in the second, from which he should have shot first time, however, he took and extra touch and the real chance was then lost before shooting wayward. Great vision from Puncheon and not a groan in sight for Chamberlain. If the roles had been reversed I don't doubt for a second that half the stadium would have jumped on hs back for taking the wrong choice. Its the same for Davis and Bart's kicking.

 

I too was extremely pleased with the reception given when he was subbed. He didn't have his best game for us by a long chalk, but he wasn't too bad either. I am glad there are fans out there willing to back him. Hopefully at some point in the near future the whole stadium will get behind him. It will be to our benefit.

 

Spot on mate

 

Unfortunately many of our fans are far far too impatient when they set their sights on a new whipping boy, i have even sat next to someone perfectly happy to slag a player off and completely ignore any of the good they do.

 

Funny however that the golden boys, as you rightly say, can do no wrong. If we had replacements Lambert should have been dropped long long ago (ok he is beginning to find form now) but that would have resulted in uproar.

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JP is a skilled player, and it is puzzling how so many slag him off. Watching Nathan Dyer for Swansea the other day reminded me of the criticism and impatience he was subjected to - he was impressive in the Championship with his trickery and pace, and JP will be veryeffective at that level to if he stays and is given the chance.

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I was hoping that it was going to be Rickie subbed. At Millwall the forwards would draw defenders away when he moved towards the box with the ball but ours seemed to expect him to to let them finish the moves, they can let others score when they want but not Jason. As they clearly have a problem with letting him through I with regret now thin k that it's in all of our interests to let him go, I don;t however relish the thought of facing him in an opposition shirt at some point in the future. Nigel could of course instruct his team mates to get the f out of his way.

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I agree. He had a decent game against Blackpool and tried hard yesterday but for whatever reason he fails to make a difference. Flatters to deceive.

 

Yesterday was a great chance to come out from the shadow of Lallana (assuming that was one of his confidence problems) but he failed for me.

 

Not being critical of his miss. Guly and Lallana miss similar chances almost every week. It is his positive contribution that is missing although he did put one pass through to Guly which may show why Millwall rate him

 

I think we need to keep him as a squad player but would not mind if he goes providing we can get a better player in

 

Puncheon appears to be a problem for us but a solution to Millwall. Here he plays narrow, hangs on to the ball and seems to provide little or nothing. I reckon that he isn't really a wide player at all, but whilst that is an issue for us, it is less so for Millwall. Since I can't see him changing his entire way of playing I'd rather see him replaced by somebody else.

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His performance against Blackpool was slightly better which might have something to do with him playing in a slightly different position. I don't think he has it in his locker to play wide midfield, beat men and get to the byline. He's much better in the middle.

 

Very good point. He lacks pace so never really tries to go outside the fullback. He certainly looked more comfortable when that was not asked of him (playing as a three against Blackpool) but as much as I defend him on here he is never going to be able to play there all the time as he is a bit of a bottler.

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JP is a skilled player, and it is puzzling how so many slag him off. Watching Nathan Dyer for Swansea the other day reminded me of the criticism and impatience he was subjected to - he was impressive in the Championship with his trickery and pace, and JP will be veryeffective at that level to if he stays and is given the chance.

 

I agree, he obviously has ability. I do think that Puncheon is one of those players that settles down into his 'comfort zone' very quickly. Wherever he goes he tends to do very well for a few matches before settling at a lower level (it's not that surprising, it happens to 95% of people in their jobs, albeit not as quickly). What that means is that it's obviously a mental rather than physical thing and he needs to be constantly pushed and challenged to up his game. The vocal criticism he gets from the fans will achieve exactly the opposite.

 

With that in mind, the next few games could be absolutely critical for him. With 3 away games in a row, and with him likely to play all three, this may be the perfect opportunity for him to get his form back away from the home crowd. If he can up his game, play well and get a couple of goals or assists in that time, he'll come back to St Marys a far more confident and effective player. One thing is for sure, he's unlikely to rediscover his form at home with the prevailing atmosphere.

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I agree, he obviously has ability. I do think that Puncheon is one of those players that settles down into his 'comfort zone' very quickly. Wherever he goes he tends to do very well for a few matches before settling at a lower level (it's not that surprising, it happens to 95% of people in their jobs, albeit not as quickly). What that means is that it's obviously a mental rather than physical thing and he needs to be constantly pushed and challenged to up his game. The vocal criticism he gets from the fans will achieve exactly the opposite.

 

With that in mind, the next few games could be absolutely critical for him. With 3 away games in a row, and with him likely to play all three, this may be the perfect opportunity for him to get his form back away from the home crowd. If he can up his game, play well and get a couple of goals or assists in that time, he'll come back to St Marys a far more confident and effective player. One thing is for sure, he's unlikely to rediscover his form at home with the prevailing atmosphere.

 

It is no surprise that his best performances for us this and last season (apart from his first few games) came away from home. Isn't Adkins a psychology graduate or something? If anyone can sort out JP it is him.

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I agree, he obviously has ability. I do think that Puncheon is one of those players that settles down into his 'comfort zone' very quickly. Wherever he goes he tends to do very well for a few matches before settling at a lower level (it's not that surprising, it happens to 95% of people in their jobs, albeit not as quickly). What that means is that it's obviously a mental rather than physical thing and he needs to be constantly pushed and challenged to up his game. The vocal criticism he gets from the fans will achieve exactly the opposite.

 

With that in mind, the next few games could be absolutely critical for him. With 3 away games in a row, and with him likely to play all three, this may be the perfect opportunity for him to get his form back away from the home crowd. If he can up his game, play well and get a couple of goals or assists in that time, he'll come back to St Marys a far more confident and effective player. One thing is for sure, he's unlikely to rediscover his form at home with the prevailing atmosphere.

 

A very good analysis of the situation with JP. I really do not believe he is capable of changing up a gear though. It's not only a very simple psycological issue. It's personal performance asperation and knowing where he's at rather than thinking he has arrived there. Rather similar to Morgan in some ways, a decent skill level but there's lots of smoke and mirrors and never wan'ts to really be something very special and die for cause.

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