saintscottofthenortham Posted 11 January, 2011 Share Posted 11 January, 2011 All the singers to one end - thats what is most effective by far. As we get further up the leagues and further in cups we will meet bigger teams who will fill the Northam and out sing us. Best strategy to help the team is all together in one big Kop. I'm against the current set up. +1. Petition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 January, 2011 Share Posted 11 January, 2011 All the singers to one end - thats what is most effective by far. As we get further up the leagues and further in cups we will meet bigger teams who will fill the Northam and out sing us. Best strategy to help the team is all together in one big Kop. I'm against the current set up. I thought all the singers were at one end. We are generally quite a quite bunch at St Marys, just like we were at the Dell really, compared to other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 January, 2011 Share Posted 11 January, 2011 I thought all the singers were at one end. We are generally quite a quite bunch at St Marys, just like we were at the Dell really, compared to other clubs. what other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 11 January, 2011 Share Posted 11 January, 2011 I thought all the singers were at one end. We are generally quite a quite bunch at St Marys, just like we were at the Dell really, compared to other clubs. You didn't go to the JPT Semi then? I think anyone who did is 110% behind the idea of a "Kop". Including NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 11 January, 2011 Share Posted 11 January, 2011 Even the Dell had some equivocation as to where the singers went: Of course the "Milton Road Choir" and the Chocolate boxes were our end and our Kop, but the Archers also had a real rough-house atmosphere next to the away cages in the early 80's, a seething mass of skinheads spitting and hurling abuse and missiles at each other. But because the Dell was small and compact the singing was unified between both ends and drowned out the away lot, unlike at St Mary's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 11 January, 2011 Share Posted 11 January, 2011 Agree that the Chapel should become our KOP! but think the only way this will happen is if we are encouraged/forced into that stand. The club would have to upset a fair number of fans in doing so but i am sure it would be worth it in the long term. A few ideas: 1. Dont sell any season tickets for the Northam stand. 2. Allow ex Northam stand season ticket holders 1st choice of seats in the chapel and maybe some other incentives, discount maybe. 3. Relocate the wheelchair sections (halfway up the chapel)and utilise the areas to encourage singing (drums,flags,horns,etc etc). 4. Get large banners fixed to the clear plastic at the back of the stand. 5. Get whole stadium to sing 'OWTS' slowly as the team come on to the pitch, utilising the tannoy to get it started. I know these ideas will upset many supporters, but these are all just ideas/suggestions! Wot ya reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Agree that the Chapel should become our KOP! but think the only way this will happen is if we are encouraged/forced into that stand. The club would have to upset a fair number of fans in doing so but i am sure it would be worth it in the long term. A few ideas: 1. Dont sell any season tickets for the Northam stand. 2. Allow ex Northam stand season ticket holders 1st choice of seats in the chapel and maybe some other incentives, discount maybe. 3. Relocate the wheelchair sections (halfway up the chapel)and utilise the areas to encourage singing (drums,flags,horns,etc etc). 4. Get large banners fixed to the clear plastic at the back of the stand. 5. Get whole stadium to sing 'OWTS' slowly as the team come on to the pitch, utilising the tannoy to get it started. I know these ideas will upset many supporters, but these are all just ideas/suggestions! Wot ya reckon? People in wheelchairs don't sing harvey? Let's not forget also that they take up more room than a normal fan so the club should charge them double and add an elevator tax just to see if they are swinging the lead, film them when they celebarte a goal and send the cctv to the benefits people thus saving the taxpayer from subsidinsing them any more, it's a win win situation and I can't see a flaw in your suggestion. fwiw, the club will already be making changes to the northam season ticket allocation, they are moving all front row, Row B (Row A are the marked out yellow areas) people to Row C, thus enabling more spaces free for wheelchair st holders. I think there's been a couple of occasions already this season when they've ran out of spaces for wheelchair supporters but still had empty seats higher up. Maybe it's the wheelchair users who are leading the way by maintaining a much higher percentage attendance than the ambulant ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 People in wheelchairs don't sing harvey? Let's not forget also that they take up more room than a normal fan so the club should charge them double and add an elevator tax just to see if they are swinging the lead, film them when they celebarte a goal and send the cctv to the benefits people thus saving the taxpayer from subsidinsing them any more, it's a win win situation and I can't see a flaw in your suggestion. fwiw, the club will already be making changes to the northam season ticket allocation, they are moving all front row, Row B (Row A are the marked out yellow areas) people to Row C, thus enabling more spaces free for wheelchair st holders. I think there's been a couple of occasions already this season when they've ran out of spaces for wheelchair supporters but still had empty seats higher up. Maybe it's the wheelchair users who are leading the way by maintaining a much higher percentage attendance than the ambulant ones. As i said "i know these ideas will upset many supporters, but these are all just ideas/suggestions!" Many fans would be moved able bodied & wheelchair users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 fwiw, the club will already be making changes to the northam season ticket allocation, they are moving all front row, Row B (Row A are the marked out yellow areas) people to Row C, thus enabling more spaces free for wheelchair st holders. I think there's been a couple of occasions already this season when they've ran out of spaces for wheelchair supporters but still had empty seats higher up. Maybe it's the wheelchair users who are leading the way by maintaining a much higher percentage attendance than the ambulant ones. Please dont take this wrong Hammy, but if the club have 2 rows of wheelchairs behind the goal, is that not a safety issue, as some of those fans may not be able to defend themselves from some of the shots that are made? Surely the extra spaces should be made at the sides? The pre match kick in has balls flying into the stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I believe away fans should be in the Itchen Corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Drums and Horns? We're not MK Dons ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 As i said "i know these ideas will upset many supporters, but these are all just ideas/suggestions!" have a guess where you can stick your suggestions about encouraging drums, flags and horns mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 why don't we (as a forum) vote for somebody to orchestrate the songs from each stand, maybe with a megaphone, in the same way that the italians do. there's no harm in giving it a go for the rest of this season, to see how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Personally - I'd love to see this type of support in the Chapel end - lets make this part of the ground "just for us" - to have this level of support flags ect for away teams and fans could demonstrate just how much we are on the rise and how well supported this great club is - we need to be more passionate about our club & team and let the opposition know they are in for a tough intimidating game at St Marys - bring it on I say - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Personally - I'd love to see this type of support in the Chapel end - lets make this part of the ground "just for us" - to have this level of support flags ect for away teams and fans could demonstrate just how much we are on the rise and how well supported this great club is - we need to be more passionate about our club & team and let the opposition know they are in for a tough intimidating game at St Marys - bring it on I say - agree with all this .. there may be some that say oh we would never have that at St Marys .. B*ll*cks .. we can and have had great displays as Saints fans and you have others that say Im not going to be told where to sit .. its not about telling anybody to do anything .. this is something we should WANT to do .. its about noise .. about colour .. about passion .. about pride in our club .. facing the away fans and showing them all how much this club means to us.. its about maximum impact rather than having these smaller pockets of singers dotted around the stadium that although they do a great job will never ever be a substitute for a proper end please lets get this rolling!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 have a guess where you can stick your suggestions about encouraging drums, flags and horns mate? Only reason i like the ideas of drums/horns/similar is to help prevent the idiots from speeding up chants just as they get going! Also have no probs with flags, as long as there not waved all game long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Drums and Horns? We're not MK Dons ffs. No, we are the saints. And that means we can do whatever we want/need to do to get right behind the team creating the best possible atmosphere for them to play in! Just because another set of supporters do it doesn't mean we cant if it helps the team/atmosphere. Sing, oh no we cant, united do that. Celebrate, oh no we cant, city do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Let's not bother. We'll only have to go through all this rigmarole again when we move to our super duper new Champion's League stadium in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Let's not bother. We'll only have to go through all this rigmarole again when we move to our super duper new Champion's League stadium in a few years time. Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Surely what we need is a fat, half naked bloke, covered in tats, with a big bell and a funny hat on. Then we could be the greatest fans in the world............ Any takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew40 Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 People in wheelchairs don't sing harvey? Let's not forget also that they take up more room than a normal fan so the club should charge them double and add an elevator tax just to see if they are swinging the lead, film them when they celebarte a goal and send the cctv to the benefits people thus saving the taxpayer from subsidinsing them any more, it's a win win situation and I can't see a flaw in your suggestion. I'm glad you see it as a win win situation, but as a parent of Sophie who was in coma for 9 months, and still in hospital after some runt decided to play catchy catchy with an 18 tonne truck, I take your view of disabled wheelchair users to heart and hope that one of them seeks you out and decides to insert a urinary catheter the wrong way and backfills your bladder, screaming OWTS!! Sophie used to sing at the top of her voice, because she's in a wheelchair does that negate her from ever trying again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 The whole idea of turning the Chapel into the Kop is bizarre. What's Cortese going to do, write to every fan and say that from now on the singing fans all have to sit in the Chapel? Then I suppose all the old codgers who like to watch the game in silence with their blankets and thurmos flasks will have to shuffle round to the Kingsland and all the Northamers will have to up sticks and sit next to the family centre?! What planet do you guys live on? There is maybe a case for extending the amount of home fans in the Northam but even that's not practical if there is a large away following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 As i said "i know these ideas will upset many supporters, but these are all just ideas/suggestions!" Many fans would be moved able bodied & wheelchair users. As i said "i know these ideas will upset many supporters, but these are all just ideas/suggestions!" Many fans would be moved able bodied & wheelchair users. Long reply: Didnt read it that way, sounded more like the idea that a wheelchair user might want to be in the thick of this new choir was secondary. I for one wholeheartedly support the idea of the Chapel (one day) being the 'home end', one reason is the increased total capacity. Bearing in mind that increased capacity why would the club feel that the current wheelchair areas (DU's) should move as their would in fact be more and ample room. I accept that I have a vested interest in this subject and make no apology for that. As I have mentioned elsewhere on the thread the club have acknowledged NEED to increase the capacity for wheelchairs, I hasten to add that this has not come about through pressure to comply with any rules I understand that it viewd as a commercially important aspect of running the club as a business. Anyway, I would be most upset if the only solution considered was to move 'them' to the sides. The club are absolutely excellent with their approach to people with disabilies, I would go as far as to say they are the best that I have ever come across in the footballing World. Anyone with experience of better please let me know, seriously I need to know what people's experiences have been, good and bad. I have in recent years worked with the club in this specific area on behalf of others, when they relinquished the post of 'Disabilty Co-Ordinator' I was a little worried tbh bit I needn't have, I won't embarrass him by naming him but there is one person in particular at the club who I cannot praise highly enough for the help and support that he has given to me and more importantly the people I work with/for. If I am being brutally honest I would ask that if and when the club either develop or move that they INCREASE the higher level wheelchair spaces available. It is by far the most polpular request that I get when booking tickets, for view, facilities and atmosphere. they need more lifts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 Please dont take this wrong Hammy, ............if the club have 2 rows of wheelchairs behind the goal, is that not a safety issue, as some of those fans may not be able to defend themselves from some of the shots that are made? Surely the extra spaces should be made at the sides? The pre match kick in has balls flying into the stands As if I would do that my friend. Of course i would challenge something that I have a different viewpoint on but I make a conscience effort not to take offence. Nice of you to say that though all the same. xx's Nick 1 - There wonlt be two rows of wheelchairs, the current Row B will be for support workers/enablers, family and friends, thus enabling more people to attend just like you and I might curently. Quite often groups of mates who I take, disabled and otherwise, have to sit away from each other as the available spaces are taken. Nick you are correct re. the safety aspect though for some people being behind the goals at low level. I know of a few people who i support who specifically ask to sit away from the goals for that very reason. I do though, know more who prefer to be able to see the whites of the attacking players eyes, but currently that is the only way of increasing the capacity for wc users on a semi permanent basis. I maybe should have clarified about the moving back of ambulent STH's in the Northam, I think that it is going to happen around the whole perimeter or at the very least that is the contingency. I'm going on a bit now so shall stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 January, 2011 Share Posted 12 January, 2011 I'm glad you see it as a win win situation, but as a parent of Sophie who was in coma for 9 months, and still in hospital after some runt decided to play catchy catchy with an 18 tonne truck, I take your view of disabled wheelchair users to heart and hope that one of them seeks you out and decides to insert a urinary catheter the wrong way and backfills your bladder, screaming OWTS!! Sophie used to sing at the top of her voice, because she's in a wheelchair does that negate her from ever trying again? Andrew I wish I could PM you re this but it's proababy as well I say this publicly. I apologise for any offence taken by you. It was written 100% NOT as you have taken it. Please re-read my post (and subsequent ones). btw, you quoted it as from harvey, you need to edit that as he may not realise who you are and why you might be quite so upset, I do and I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 The whole idea of turning the Chapel into the Kop is bizarre. What's Cortese going to do, write to every fan and say that from now on the singing fans all have to sit in the Chapel? Then I suppose all the old codgers who like to watch the game in silence with their blankets and thurmos flasks will have to shuffle round to the Kingsland and all the Northamers will have to up sticks and sit next to the family centre?! What planet do you guys live on? There is maybe a case for extending the amount of home fans in the Northam but even that's not practical if there is a large away following. Hi aintforever .. why is the idea bizzare? .. to me it makes perfect logical sense to have the vast majority of the clubs singers in the one end rather than spread all over the place .. what makes the proposal more difficult (although by no means impossible) is that this wasn't done when we moved to St Marys .. as you say the Northam allocation cannot be extended as for bigger games the away team is more likely to fill their allocation and if operationally it was easier to move the away fans the Northam would already be our end rather than the current spectacle of a half filled end - it just doesnt look that good and as noisy as the Northam usually are I believe the noise level could be increased considerably If you told fans of clubs that already have a "kop" that you're going to half the fans in their end and spread the rest around the ground they would call the medics for you - but that is the scenario we have at St Marys - it doesn't work - its time for a change but its got to come from us who want St Marys to have the best atmosphere possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 I'm in the Northam at present but would be perfectly happy to relocate if that's what the majority was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 what do people that sit in the Chapel think of this? will they be happy to stay & join in or will they move to another area? I can't see the majority of them being happy to move next to the away support in the Northam or into the vacant blocks 1-3, so where do you locate the family area then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 what do people that sit in the Chapel think of this? will they be happy to stay & join in or will they move to another area? I can't see the majority of them being happy to move next to the away support in the Northam or into the vacant blocks 1-3, so where do you locate the family area then? ^^^^ this While I have no problem with the Northam boys having a good time, some of what is a good time for them isn't really compatible with what the family supporters want. You can't really put the Northam crowd in with those who (for whatever reason) want to use the family area. So you have to move the family area from the Chapel to somewhere else. I can't see that being a straight swap though as I'm not sure little kids and mums being abused by beered up away fans is exactly what you want in a family area either. So to me that leaves putting the family area either in the middle of the Kingsland or Itchen so they're equal distance from both the new Kop end and the away end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 ^^^^ this While I have no problem with the Northam boys having a good time, some of what is a good time for them isn't really compatible with what the family supporters want. You can't really put the Northam crowd in with those who (for whatever reason) want to use the family area. So you have to move the family area from the Chapel to somewhere else. I can't see that being a straight swap though as I'm not sure little kids and mums being abused by beered up away fans is exactly what you want in a family area either. So to me that leaves putting the family area either in the middle of the Kingsland or Itchen so they're equal distance from both the new Kop end and the away end. I was assuming this would be the solution. I for one was going with that if this was to happen, the family stand would be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 Speaking on behalf of the entire stand (!) I would say the idea of forcibly 'ethnicaly cleansing' we inferior types out of the Chapel so that proper Superfans can move in en masse probably won't go down to well. As for the all too predictable sterotyping (we're not all exactly the same you know & I promise you disabled supporters do sing !) that has inevitably raised its ugly head yet again on this forum, I can only recommend those reponsible change the habits of a lifetime and try to engage their brain before posting for once. Presuming they have one in the first place that is ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 Hi aintforever .. why is the idea bizzare? .. to me it makes perfect logical sense to have the vast majority of the clubs singers in the one end rather than spread all over the place .. what makes the proposal more difficult (although by no means impossible) is that this wasn't done when we moved to St Marys .. as you say the Northam allocation cannot be extended as for bigger games the away team is more likely to fill their allocation and if operationally it was easier to move the away fans the Northam would already be our end rather than the current spectacle of a half filled end - it just doesnt look that good and as noisy as the Northam usually are I believe the noise level could be increased considerably If you told fans of clubs that already have a "kop" that you're going to half the fans in their end and spread the rest around the ground they would call the medics for you - but that is the scenario we have at St Marys - it doesn't work - its time for a change but its got to come from us who want St Marys to have the best atmosphere possible I don't disagree that having all the singers in one stand helps the atmosphere, it's just the idea of trying to engineer the Chapel into a Kop that is bizarre. These things happen naturally, people sit where they want, people sing if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 I don't disagree that having all the singers in one stand helps the atmosphere, it's just the idea of trying to engineer the Chapel into a Kop that is bizarre. These things happen naturally, people sit where they want, people sing if they want. I wouldn't say it was that bizarre. NC has made no secret he'd like to see one entire end given over to our more vocal supporters, only the Police stood in his way last year. If he decides to try again with the Chapel it wouldn't take much to throw in a few incentives to encourage a certain type of fan to migrate. Advertise the stand that it's likely to experience more standing than other parts of the stadium (most would understand what that meant), provide more beer outlets, a smoking area outside the Chapel end. And if they want to make it more colourful with big supporters flags like European grounds they could set something up at the back for them to be hung in front of the perspex, as someone said, would also help stop the youngsters ruining every chant with 100mph banging. Lockers could be provided in the concourse so fans don't have to lug heavy flags to every game and could be allowed in early to hang them up. I'm sure there's plenty of better ways to make it work if they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 How about doing things the european way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 I thought all the singers were at one end. We are generally quite a quite bunch at St Marys, just like we were at the Dell really, compared to other clubs. Which clubs have regularly louder home support than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 I wouldn't say it was that bizarre. NC has made no secret he'd like to see one entire end given over to our more vocal supporters, only the Police stood in his way last year. If he decides to try again with the Chapel it wouldn't take much to throw in a few incentives to encourage a certain type of fan to migrate. Advertise the stand that it's likely to experience more standing than other parts of the stadium (most would understand what that meant), provide more beer outlets, a smoking area outside the Chapel end. And if they want to make it more colourful with big supporters flags like European grounds they could set something up at the back for them to be hung in front of the perspex, as someone said, would also help stop the youngsters ruining every chant with 100mph banging. Lockers could be provided in the concourse so fans don't have to lug heavy flags to every game and could be allowed in early to hang them up. I'm sure there's plenty of better ways to make it work if they wanted. As Aintforever says, these things happen naturally and very rarely work if orchestrated by the club. The support has naturally allocated itself to various parts of the ground for a reason. Also, it is very unlikely that you will get the club suggesting that in certain areas standing will be tolerated, or particularly encouraging big banners etc, but who knows. Also, you'll have to move people who may have had the same seat in the Chapel for the last 10 years. I don't disagree with the idea in principle, I just can't see it working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 13 January, 2011 Share Posted 13 January, 2011 As Aintforever says, these things happen naturally and very rarely work if orchestrated by the club. The support has naturally allocated itself to various parts of the ground for a reason. Also, it is very unlikely that you will get the club suggesting that in certain areas standing will be tolerated, or particularly encouraging big banners etc, but who knows. Also, you'll have to move people who may have had the same seat in the Chapel for the last 10 years. I don't disagree with the idea in principle, I just can't see it working. If they don't want to get involved, then f*** em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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