Mr.Ferguson being Nice ??

[Cabrone]

no matter what you think of him...he is clearly one of the greatest of all time...

 

respect to that...even if he is a manc/jock bastard

 

He's firmly behind the genius that was Brian Clough and the perenially overlooked Bob Paisley IMO.

 

That's because his European record (considering the size of the club and how long he's been there) is very middling.

[CB Fry]

Ok so lets turn your argument round and say how many times would sir Alex have won the PL, champions league or FA cup with the resources of a team like Stockport? he is undoubtly a good manager but are you telling me he could have achieved all he has achieved without being at a big club like Manachester united with all the extra resources that entails? are you really telling me you believe the extra resources of the big clubs do not help a manager to achieve more? fine if you are don't mean I have to agree with it.

 

 

Sorry, this is just gibberish.

 

Stockport aren't going to win the Premier League with anyone as manager.

 

Good managers prove themselves at a lower level and then, if good enough, get appointed to bigger and bigger clubs until if they are really good enough they get appointed to clubs that could theoretically win the Premier League or the Champion's League.

 

That is what Ferguson has done. He has already managed his "stockport" and has proved he can succeed at that level. His success then took him to a bigger club. Why can't you understand that?

 

Lots of clubs have extra resources, but none of them have had the consistent success that Ferguson has had with his club.

 

You seem to be convinced that "lots of resources" = success regardless of manager. Tell that to Leeds, Newcastle, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and whoever. Everton were winning league titles when Ferguson pitched up at Man U. Both those clubs in the mid to late 80s had essentially identical resources. Only one of those two clubs went on to dominate English football for a generation.

 

This idea that Ferguson had a gigantic club with huge resources thrown into his lap and simply lucked out is just utter, utter nonsense.

[Greenridge]

He was at the Oldham game last night so that should give him some food for thought.

[doddisalegend]

Sorry, this is just gibberish.

 

Stockport aren't going to win the Premier League with anyone as manager.

 

Good managers prove themselves at a lower level and then, if good enough, get appointed to bigger and bigger clubs until if they are really good enough they get appointed to clubs that could theoretically win the Premier League or the Champion's League.

 

That is what Ferguson has done. He has already managed his "stockport" and has proved he can succeed at that level. His success then took him to a bigger club. Why can't you understand that?

 

Lots of clubs have extra resources, but none of them have had the consistent success that Ferguson has had with his club.

 

You seem to be convinced that "lots of resources" = success regardless of manager. Tell that to Leeds, Newcastle, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and whoever. Everton were winning league titles when Ferguson pitched up at Man U. Both those clubs in the mid to late 80s had essentially identical resources. Only one of those two clubs went on to dominate English football for a generation.

 

This idea that Ferguson had a gigantic club with huge resources thrown into his lap and simply lucked out is just utter, utter nonsense.

 

At no point have I said that (or a lot of the other words you've put in my mouth). I was merely pointing out that his success has to be taken in context that for the last twenty years he has had resources avaliable that most managers could only dream off. How can resources not make a difference? As you pointed out if he had spent the last twenty years at stockport he wouldn't have achieved a quarter of what he has done. A good manager alone is not enough for success (since the arrival of the PL and champions league) it requires the resources of a big club to do what he has done, yes he might of earned the right to be there but so what? that doesn't alter my point that without Man utds resources he wouldn't have achieved what he has.

[CB Fry]

At no point have I said that (or a lot of the other words you've put in my mouth). I was merely pointing out that his success has to be taken in context that for the last twenty years he has had resources avaliable that most managers could only dream off. How can resources not make a difference? As you pointed out if he had spent the last twenty years at stockport he wouldn't have achieved a quarter of what he has done. A good manager alone is not enough for success (since the arrival of the PL and champions league) it requires the resources of a big club to do what he has done, yes he might of earned the right to be there but so what? that doesn't alter my point that without Man utds resources he wouldn't have achieved what he has.

 

 

At the end of the day if he was only good enough to be at Stockport for twenty years he wouldn't have been good enough to manage Man United would he.

 

Your point is pointlessly facile and utterly lame.

 

Without Ferguson, Manchester United wouldn't have achieved what they have. Just have a quick look at every other club in English football, many of which had equal or more resources as Manchester United at various points in the last 20 odd years or during all of the last 20 years.

 

A big club with lots of resources isn't enough for success. It requires a skilled manager to turn resources into success on the pitch. And those managers tend to have worked up the ranks and justify their appointment.

 

Ferguson has and Ferguson did. Droning on about Stockport is childish nonsense because he has proved to be better than that. He is better than Stockport. He is better than Stockport. He is better than Stockport. Understand?

 

You can keep making out that Ferguson got the Man U job through luck but you're simply wrong.

Edited 12 January, 2011 by CB Fry

[doddisalegend]

Let me see I started with this

 

I suppose although you have to wonder how well he would have done at a team that haven't had the huge resources of Man U for the last 20+ years. I bet if he'd been manager of Stockport or such like he would have had a far less impressive record.

 

Then after spouting off in your usual style. you say this

 

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Stockport aren't going to win the Premier League with anyone as manager.

 

 

Right question answered thanks for your input