sir woody Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Jan/FA-Cup-fourth-round-draw.aspx Just read this from the man u website, he's being complimentary !!
warsash saint Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 The Reds have played Southampton 14 times in the Cup, winning eight, drawing five and losing just once. That one defeat, of course, came in the 1976 FA Cup final at Wembley.!! They seen to have erased Ryan Giggs penalty miss in a shootout in FA Cup replay about 20 years ago from their memories where Tim Flowers raced the length of the field to us Saints fans
John Boy Saint Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 You can't count that one: it was a draw............................. and we are Manchester United, don't you know!!??
angelman Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Well it is a nice pitch. Sir A probably has kittens before the draw in case he has to go to some ground which might injure his squad. And then there is also the fact that his team can continue to pass the ball along the ground in the style they are accustomed to.
100%Red&White Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 TBF I can remember hearing old Rosey Red Cheeks praising us over the Christmas period last season. He was doing a radio interview in which he mentioned that we were a top club and was very impressed that we'd just had over 30k at SMS in the third division. Funnily enough he never mentioned the 6-3, 3-1, etc. etc.........
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Kind words - easy when you've got a squad that will almost certainly walk all over us.
Dimond Geezer Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 He's Bricking it!! That's how I see it.
krissyboy31 Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 (edited) Losing just once??? Doesn't a penalty shoot out count then? Edit: Just saw Warsash's post! But the point still stands. Edited 10 January, 2011 by krissyboy31
Al de Man Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Well it is a nice pitch. Sir A probably has kittens before the draw in case he has to go to some ground which might injure his squad. And then there is also the fact that his team can continue to pass the ball along the ground in the style they are accustomed to. We should invite the NFL over for an exhibition match a few days beforehand.
Huffton Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 This latest meeting will be played over the weekend of 29 and 30 January. 11pm kick off? Great, loads of drinking time!
Simples Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Sir Alex has a soft spot for us I think. On the day we got the Dutch duo, he knew who they were, and all about them, this, before I even got a text from any of my Saints' fans friends. Took me by surprise of his knowledge of us and warmth he displayed. Or maybe he is just a lot more ITK and a lot nicer then many believe.
David Strover Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 His angry outbursts and the other various things he does seem to me to point to the fact he is sticking up for his club no matter what. Something that a lot of club's supporters don't always do. Personally I don't think he's as bad as he is painted - on the touchline and having to deal with him on match days he is probably odious but outside of this environment he is probably no worse than any other manager - and probably better than quite a few. To be fair he does like his teams to play good football (of course he has the resources but the way he plays is entertaining in general).
wightman35 Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Having been at Old Trafford for what seems like "ever" he must be doing something right. Just hope it all goes pear shaped for him on Jan 29/30th weekend!
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 no matter what you think of him...he is clearly one of the greatest of all time... respect to that...even if he is a manc/jock bastard
doddisalegend Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 no matter what you think of him...he is clearly one of the greatest of all time... respect to that...even if he is a manc/jock bastard I suppose although you have to wonder how well he would have done at a team that haven't had the huge resources of Man U for the last 20+ years. I bet if he'd been manager of Stockport or such like he would have had a far less impressive record.
latter day saint Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 I suppose although you have to wonder how well he would have done at a team that haven't had the huge resources of Man U for the last 20+ years. I bet if he'd been manager of Stockport or such like he would have had a far less impressive record. he did ok at Aberdeen with little resources.
Stud mark of doom Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Having been at Old Trafford for what seems like "ever" he must be doing something right. Just hope it all goes pear shaped for him on Jan 29/30th weekend! No doubt Fergie will be aware that his predecessor got the sack after being turned over by the Saints, with a couple of goals from an up and coming young winger.
Saintandy666 Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Sir Alex Ferguson is a top manager. When he took over at Man Utd, they weren't the force they are now. He has created top team after top team with them and deserves credit, especially as he has managed to stay on top despite the new challengers that come along every few years. Every team he has managed at has turned out well.
doddisalegend Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Sir Alex Ferguson is a top manager. When he took over at Man Utd, they weren't the force they are now. He has created top team after top team with them and deserves credit, especially as he has managed to stay on top despite the new challengers that come along every few years. Every team he has managed at has turned out well. I'm not saying he's a bad manager but it has to be a lot easier at a big club like Man U. He doesn't have to watch all his talent being nicked by clubs higher up the food chain (becuase how many clubs are bigger than Man U in europe other than Barca and Real), if he wants a player from another team he will most likely get him (becuase he has the the cash to buy them and not many players are going to turn down Man U). Of course he's a good manager but how well would he be doing if he were manager of a club with the resources of Bournemouth or Torquay?
CB Fry Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 I suppose although you have to wonder how well he would have done at a team that haven't had the huge resources of Man U for the last 20+ years. I bet if he'd been manager of Stockport or such like he would have had a far less impressive record. This is a moronic thing to say. He didn't become manager of Manchester United by winning a raffle. He got it by winning the league several times and a European trophy at Aberdeen. Aberdeen. And he got that job by being successful at smaller scottish clubs like St Mirren. He was proven to be a better class of manager than one only good enough to manage "stockport and suchlike". That's why he's won the frigging league eleven times.
CB Fry Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 I'm not saying he's a bad manager but it has to be a lot easier at a big club like Man U. He doesn't have to watch all his talent being nicked by clubs higher up the food chain (becuase how many clubs are bigger than Man U in europe other than Barca and Real), if he wants a player from another team he will most likely get him (becuase he has the the cash to buy them and not many players are going to turn down Man U). Of course he's a good manager but how well would he be doing if he were manager of a club with the resources of Bournemouth or Torquay? He'd win whatever league Bournemouth or Torquay were in at the time. That's your answer, and then he'd move on to a bigger club more suited to his ability. Like, say, Manchester United. And if managing huge, northern English clubs with huge resources, fanbase and history is so jolly easy, why is it that no one has managed to take Liverpool to the title in the last twenty years?
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 no matter what you think of him...he is clearly the greatest of all time... respect to that...even if he is a manc/jock bastard Corrected for you!
adrian lord Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 He'd win whatever league Bournemouth or Torquay were in at the time. That's your answer, and then he'd move on to a bigger club more suited to his ability. Like, say, Manchester United. And if managing huge, northern English clubs with huge resources, fanbase and history is so jolly easy, why is it that no one has managed to take Liverpool to the title in the last twenty years? Precisely.
CLOTH EARS Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 (edited) They seen to have erased Ryan Giggs penalty miss in a shootout in FA Cup replay about 20 years ago from their memories where Tim Flowers raced the length of the field to us Saints fans I was there that night, it was ****in brilliant!!! Although i did think we had ****ed it up after Jeff Kenna headed the ball straight across our penalty box for them to equalise in the 92nd minute, one of the most bizzare goals i've seen! Fortunately we held on in erxtra time.......just! Ryan Giggs was only 18 at the time and he missed the penalty that put the nail in their coffin! Edited 10 January, 2011 by CLOTH EARS
scotty Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 (edited) Back in the day when we were prem cannon fodder he was occasionally quite complimentary about us. I recall an interview where he said he always looked forward to playing Saints because we gave them a game and played to win. And quite often we did, but I've never forgiven the c*nt of a ref that ruled out Neil Shipperlys goal at old trafford, if that had been a munichs effort whats the betting it would have stood...... Edited 10 January, 2011 by scotty
bubblyone Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 I was there that night, it was ****in brilliant!!! Great night....was only few hundred saints fans on that big away terrace but they roped us all in to one area like sardines. Ended up being top atmosphere and was chaos when giggs missed the pen. Only noticed Flowers when he reached our end!!
steadyeddie Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 His angry outbursts and the other various things he does seem to me to point to the fact he is sticking up for his club no matter what. Something that a lot of club's supporters don't always do. Personally I don't think he's as bad as he is painted - on the touchline and having to deal with him on match days he is probably odious but outside of this environment he is probably no worse than any other manager - and probably better than quite a few. To be fair he does like his teams to play good football (of course he has the resources but the way he plays is entertaining in general). Dave, I'm worried mate. You be wanting them to win next.
doddisalegend Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 He'd win whatever league Bournemouth or Torquay were in at the time. That's your answer, and then he'd move on to a bigger club more suited to his ability. Like, say, Manchester United. And if managing huge, northern English clubs with huge resources, fanbase and history is so jolly easy, why is it that no one has managed to take Liverpool to the title in the last twenty years? No thats your answer. I merely posed a question one that is in fact pretty unaswerable unless Sir Alex decided to drop man U and become the next Bournemouth or Stockport manager. Sorry but I'm firmly of the opinion that it is easier to achieve success at big football club with bigger rescources, and while Liverpool might not have won the league in the last twenty they have won plenty of trophies ( 3 FA cups, 3 league cups, 2 FA charity shields, champions league and the uefa cup)so yes quite a bit easier to win things at one of the big clubs than say Stockport.
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 No thats your answer. I merely posed a question one that is in fact pretty unaswerable unless Sir Alex decided to drop man U and become the next Bournemouth or Stockport manager. Sorry but I'm firmly of the opinion that it is easier to achieve success at big football club with bigger rescources, and while Liverpool might not have won the league in the last twenty they have won plenty of trophies ( 3 FA cups, 3 league cups, 2 FA charity shields, champions league and the uefa cup)so yes quite a bit easier to win things at one of the big clubs than say Stockport. It's not really though is it? Stockport don't have to play Milan or Madrid or sell players like Ronaldo to balance the books. Isn't that like saying it's easier to run my local butcher well than it is to run Tesco?
CB Fry Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 (edited) No thats your answer. I merely posed a question one that is in fact pretty unaswerable unless Sir Alex decided to drop man U and become the next Bournemouth or Stockport manager. Sorry but I'm firmly of the opinion that it is easier to achieve success at big football club with bigger rescources, and while Liverpool might not have won the league in the last twenty they have won plenty of trophies ( 3 FA cups, 3 league cups, 2 FA charity shields, champions league and the uefa cup)so yes quite a bit easier to win things at one of the big clubs than say Stockport. I think Roy Hodgson has categorically proved that it is not "easy" to find success at big clubs. The Stockport manager doesn't have and never will have the kind of pressure that managers of big clubs have to endure, and never have to take decisions with multi-million pound consquences, and discussed and dissected by TV and radio programs with millions of viewers, or in newspapers with millions of readers. The Stockport manager doesn't have every decision, utterance, argument, feud, selection, sale, purchase, spat, falling out, and misquote ripped to shreds by millions of fans, "experts" and journalists every single day of his life. Oh, and then just the small matter of picking a winning team, keeping 25 egos happy, fending off countless agents with agendas who are briefing and counter briefing the press, rising above the grinding axes from local ex-pros happy to pick holes in every thing you do, remembering to wave to the frigging away fans at the end of a defeat to stop being slaughtered on a fans forum. And so on, and so on and so on. Yeah. Easy. Real easy. Just imagine the reaction not only in Britain but around the football world if Liverpool had called a press conference to unveil their new manager and in walked......Eddie Howe. Of course, in your world he'd probably win the treble next season as he's so much better than any manager at any current Champions League club and managing big clubs is such a piece of p * ss. I'd love to see your reaction if Adkins was sacked tomorrow and was replaced by the manager of the Tyro League U-13 champions from last season. After all, that bloke hasn't had the resources Adkins has so Adkins has it much easier than that bloke so that bloke is bound to do better. Edited 10 January, 2011 by CB Fry
doddisalegend Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 It's not really though is it? Stockport don't have to play Milan or Madrid or sell players like Ronaldo to balance the books. Isn't that like saying it's easier to run my local butcher well than it is to run Tesco? No its like saying who'd win a car race, a top class driver in a robin reliant or a an average driver in a porsche 911?
scotty Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 No its like saying who'd win a car race, a top class driver in a robin reliant or a an average driver in a porsche 911? doddsy, I have to say that dates you somewhat. You must be as ancient as me to remember the robin reliant
buctootim Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 doddsy, I have to say that dates you somewhat. You must be as ancient as me to remember the robin reliant Its a Reliant Robin
Saintandy666 Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 I'm not saying he's a bad manager but it has to be a lot easier at a big club like Man U. He doesn't have to watch all his talent being nicked by clubs higher up the food chain (becuase how many clubs are bigger than Man U in europe other than Barca and Real), if he wants a player from another team he will most likely get him (becuase he has the the cash to buy them and not many players are going to turn down Man U). Of course he's a good manager but how well would he be doing if he were manager of a club with the resources of Bournemouth or Torquay? He has done that already with other teams. And as I said when Ferguson arrived at Manchester United, they weren't the absolutely massive team they are now. Not just because the money and exposure wasn't there, but they were in the relegation zone. Ferguson turned this around and has consistently kept them there since. Also, managing the big clubs and keeping them big isn't easy either.
buctootim Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 No its like saying who'd win a car race, a top class driver in a robin reliant or a an average driver in a porsche 911? Not a realistic analogy though. Ferguson is a competing with the best drivers wortdwide in the finest fastest cars on the planet. The Stockport manager is racing his mildly tuned Ford Focus around Donnington at a weekend meet with other local enthusiasts. Just because the playing fields are even doesnt mean the abilities are.
doddisalegend Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 I think Roy Hodgson has categorically proved that it is not "easy" to find success at big clubs. The Stockport manager doesn't have and never will have the kind of pressure that managers of big clubs have to endure, and never have to take decisions with multi-million pound consquences, and discussed and dissected by TV and radio programs with millions of viewers, or in newspapers with millions of readers. The Stockport manager doesn't have every decision, utterance, argument, feud, selection, sale, purchase, spat, falling out, and misquote ripped to shreds by millions of fans, "experts" and journalists every single day of his life. Oh, and then just the small matter of picking a winning team, keeping 25 egos happy, fending off countless agents with agendas who are briefing and counter briefing the press, rising above the grinding axes from local ex-pros happy to pick holes in every thing you do, remembering to wave to the frigging away fans at the end of a defeat to stop being slaughtered on a fans forum. And so on, and so on and so on. Yeah. Easy. Real easy. Just imagine the reaction not only in Britain but around the football world if Liverpool had called a press conference to unveil their new manager and in walked......Eddie Howe. Of course, in your world he'd probably win the treble next season as he's so much better than any manager at any current Champions League club and managing big clubs is such a piece of p * ss. I'd love to see your reaction if Adkins was sacked tomorrow and was replaced by the manager of the Tyro League U-13 champions from last season. After all, that bloke hasn't had the resources Adkins has so Adkins has it much easier than that bloke so that bloke is bound to do better. Ok so lets turn your argument round and say how many times would sir Alex have won the PL, champions league or FA cup with the resources of a team like Stockport? he is undoubtly a good manager but are you telling me he could have achieved all he has achieved without being at a big club like Manachester united with all the extra resources that entails? are you really telling me you believe the extra resources of the big clubs do not help a manager to achieve more? fine if you are don't mean I have to agree with it.
Saintandy666 Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Ok so lets turn your argument round and say how many times would sir Alex have won the PL, champions league or FA cup with the resources of a team like Stockport? he is undoubtly a good manager but are you telling me he could have achieved all he has achieved without being at a big club like Manachester united with all the extra resources that entails? are you really telling me you believe the extra resources of the big clubs do not help a manager to achieve more? fine if you are don't mean I have to agree with it. He won everything including the European Cup with Aberdeen... ABERDEEN.
Badger Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 He won everything including the European Cup with Aberdeen... ABERDEEN. Cup Winners Cup at the time.
chocco boxo Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 he did ok at Aberdeen with little resources. Like Strachan!
The9 Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 Cup Winners Cup at the time. Which is not to be compared to the European Cup in any way shape or form - though of course he's won that twice with Man U as well. As for the main argument, Ferguson HAS been successful at small low-resourced clubs, and the argument that he couldn't make a small club win the Premier League or whatever is ridiculous, because nobody can nowadays - you need billions just to get into the top 4. But at a time when you could get success with a regional club compared to relative financial giants with huge fanbases who monopolised the League, he did.
eelpie Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 This latest meeting will be played over the weekend of 29 and 30 January. Quite a lengthy match then.
sunrise Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 Quite a lengthy match then. That'll be down to all the 'Fergie time' after the 90 minutes are up.....
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