darren2 Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 To be fair, I think AOC has handled himself pretty well during this period. How many of some of our past players would have got all giddy, made it clear they wanted to go and thrown the odd dummy out of the pram. But like Crouch and Theo did has taken the "I'm here, I like it here and am happy to be here, so crack on giving best and if the club get an offer benafitial to them from a club good for me..." type attitude. I dont want to see him go, think we could get more for him as we move up the league and if he had a season in the Championship he would make the transition better. But if he does go I has seen enough from NC and NA to know it would be the best for US as well as the player. I'm gonna teach most of you on here to suck eggs (Most of you will know more about the game than me). But if he goes then we seem to be in a position to use the money earnt (Instead of it being swallowed up) to invest in say 2 or 3 £4 million players and give the team more depth
saint_bert Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 Couldn't face going through 23 pages to see if my question has already been asked and/or answered. Is it not true that potential buying clubs must ask permission of a player's current club before speaking to him? AOC is on a 3-yr contract. Has SFC said that any club has been given permission to approach the player? If there has been no approach under FA rules, doesn't that mean that all the quotes in the press amount to illegal approaches? If this is true, what action could you expect the FA to take in response to our player having been 'tapped up'. I can answer that. Absolutely nothing. Of course. But the big clubs can do as they please. Wenger was crying all summer about Barca's public courting of Fabregas but is more than willing to talk about AOC. I hate it.
saintjay77 Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 Couldn't face going through 23 pages to see if my question has already been asked and/or answered. Is it not true that potential buying clubs must ask permission of a player's current club before speaking to him? AOC is on a 3-yr contract. Has SFC said that any club has been given permission to approach the player? If there has been no approach under FA rules, doesn't that mean that all the quotes in the press amount to illegal approaches? If this is true, what action could you expect the FA to take in response to our player having been 'tapped up'. I can answer that. Absolutely nothing. I think Wenger got duped in the interview last week and let his guard down. His comments then IMO are no more than public tapping up and I reckon SFC would have got in contact with Arsenal to let them know they are prepared to take it further if it were to continue. Not wanting to bite the hand that could end up feeding them I think that would be a fair approach. The interview yesterday was really cagey and spoke about our player like he was our player and Wenger didn't have a right to be speaking about him. Some serious back tracking if you ask me. The gumf in the press won't get brought up cause its all worded like it's fact but usually says allegedly or "a source" so we just have to put up with it IMO.
dubai_phil Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 Couldn't face going through 23 pages to see if my question has already been asked and/or answered. Is it not true that potential buying clubs must ask permission of a player's current club before speaking to him? AOC is on a 3-yr contract. Has SFC said that any club has been given permission to approach the player? If there has been no approach under FA rules, doesn't that mean that all the quotes in the press amount to illegal approaches? If this is true, what action could you expect the FA to take in response to our player having been 'tapped up'. I can answer that. Absolutely nothing. The problem is, as we see in MLG's post regarding the sun interview with NA, what the Papers print may actually NOT be what was said. Is there actually a direct quote where Wenger actually says We will buy AoC? There seem to be a lot of quotes saying he is the sort of player he/they like, in much the same way our HCDAJFU threads examine the merits of different players. Most of the "Tapping Up" accusations in the past have come from a direct contact with a player, seen such as having dinner with XYZ, think it would be very hard to go to court or the FL with a Newspaper article as evidence with words cut & pasted to change the context. eg re hashing the words I typed and leaving out a question mark you get Wenger actually says We will buy AoC - a direct quote - there actually - Is He has said those words, in my example but he didn't mean that and is that tapping up?
redkeith Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 The tapping up is very anoying. I know that it is hard to stop agents talking to other clubs behnd the scenes, but managers really should comment about other teams players, and wether they want to sign them. The LMA should drill into there members that when they are pressed about other clubs players, the response should be " He is under contract to another club, so it would not be proper to speculate about him" . Problem soved, although there would be lots of empty pages in newspapers.
up and away Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 Couldn't face going through 23 pages to see if my question has already been asked and/or answered. Is it not true that potential buying clubs must ask permission of a player's current club before speaking to him? AOC is on a 3-yr contract. Has SFC said that any club has been given permission to approach the player? If there has been no approach under FA rules, doesn't that mean that all the quotes in the press amount to illegal approaches? If this is true, what action could you expect the FA to take in response to our player having been 'tapped up'. I can answer that. Absolutely nothing. You only have to go back to the Ashley Cole case, where he was caught with his agent talking to Mourinho and Kenyon, that resulted in a hefty fine so I am a sure Arsenal are aware. When asked a couple of weeks back, Wenger said "We will try now. We need an agreement with Southampton. We need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." But the biggest clue in all of this was made by Adkins on saintsplayer, that he would only go to "a club who will nurture his talent and help him to develop as a player". The only sense this all makes is if there is a set figure in Oxo's contract, that if met the lad has the right to accept that offer. No negotiations needed from Saints, unless you wanted to pay less than that contracted figure. If you already had the terms required for the player leaving, Saints can no longer stop the player talking to another club because it has already been agreed by the terms of the contract, now solely up to the player. Since the window opened contract details were leaked and Mark Chamberlain has been very quick to comment on what a lot of money and how good a move to Arsenal would be. No one else has the power to ensure a move or gain financially without the Chamberlains wishes, apart from the selling club. Cortese and Adkins have made it clear they do not want the player to go, Only Mark has talked about how good the move would be and something he could stop with just a few words.
Weston Saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 I think it unlikely there is a £5m plus £5min add on clause. It is more likely to be a £10m minimum fee. I suspect Cortese, on behalf of the owners, will stick to that ie £10m up front or he stays.
teamsaint Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 I think it unlikely there is a £5m plus £5min add on clause. It is more likely to be a £10m minimum fee. I suspect Cortese, on behalf of the owners, will stick to that ie £10m up front or he stays. why do you suspect that? I would have thought that at the time he signed his contract, that sort of deal might have seemed an acceptable one to NC .(if that was what was demanded by ACs agent in order for him to sign). But I hope you are right, and maybe you know something........................
Saint_clark Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 why do you suspect that? I would have thought that at the time he signed his contract, that sort of deal might have seemed an acceptable one to NC .(if that was what was demanded by ACs agent in order for him to sign). But I hope you are right, and maybe you know something........................ It's complete speculation that he has a minimum fee release clause of any kind.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 Cortese said Chamberlain won't be sold. It is hard for Cortese to say and mean that if there is a minimum fee release clause which takes it out of his hands. Thus it is unlikely that one exists.
Handyman Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 Of course Sir Alex, we rate him even more than Bale. Pay us £15m now and he'll be worth £50m in a couple of years, promise. Well then, keep him till he is!
Tom & Gerry Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 As Southampton conduct all their transfer dealings in secret I would like to know where the £10m has come from. Is it just tabloid rumour speculation that has now been touted round as gospel? In the current financial situation I wouldn't think a Premier league club would pay a first division club anything like that for a 17 year old who has played only half a season, even though he has shown occasional flashes of brilliance. A couple of million maybe with a bit more for appearances, hence no deal.
NickG Posted 29 January, 2011 Posted 29 January, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/9379065.stm Phelan's comments on him - complimenting the coaching he is getting here (does that mean not in hurry to take him off us?)
St_Tel49 Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 The tapping up is very anoying. I know that it is hard to stop agents talking to other clubs behnd the scenes, but managers really should comment about other teams players, and wether they want to sign them. The LMA should drill into there members that when they are pressed about other clubs players, the response should be " He is under contract to another club, so it would not be proper to speculate about him" . Problem soved, although there would be lots of empty pages in newspapers. Frankly that would improve most of them.
St Matty Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 For the 1st time yesterday I thought he looked quality. I would like him to stay and sod the money. Fed up with missing out on watching our best players play here- apart from Le tiss of course - what a legend.
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 For the 1st time yesterday I thought he looked quality. I would like him to stay and sod the money. Fed up with missing out on watching our best players play here- apart from Le tiss of course - what a legend. He was quality, alot of people didn't think so though - but that's because he played a different role. He was asked to be tactically disciplined which restricted his attacking play a little, but he didn't do a thing wrong and demonstrated that he reads the game very well.
farawaysaint Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 Well then, keep him till he is! None of our players will ever be worth that kind of money because we are Southampton
Matthew Le God Posted 30 January, 2011 Posted 30 January, 2011 None of our players will ever be worth that kind of money because we are Southampton Absolute nonsense.
NickG Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Arsenal are continuing their pursuit of Southampton whizkid Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. The 17 year-old winger is also wanted by Manchester United. But the Daily Mail says Arsenal held further talks last night over their proposed £10m move for Oxlade-Chamberlain. Gunners chairman Peter Hill-Wood has expressed concerns over the fee for the midfielder given that his contract will not kick in until he's 18.
Ken Tone Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Sunday times had a piece quoting Adkins clearly saying 'we don't want to sell' etc, then the article ended with, 'but he did not confirm that Chamberlain was staying'. What does the bloke have to say? Elsewhere on the same page it said that Chambo was expected to move to Arsenal or Man U by the end of today. Either the papers are all together making this up, or someone has really been feeding them a line. Why? Who? ...His Dad to boost Chambo's wages. Saints to boost a transfer fee? Deliberate tapping up by the big clubs? Dark forces undermining the club?
Faz Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 He was quality, alot of people didn't think so though - but that's because he played a different role. He was asked to be tactically disciplined which restricted his attacking play a little, but he didn't do a thing wrong and demonstrated that he reads the game very well. He demonstrated touch, pace, movement, awareness and responsibility. Awesome for a 17yo, and anyone watching should have been able to see it. As you say, disciplined, and no flashiness, which others nmay have been tempted to do on such a stage.
Secret Site Agent Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 I heard a rumour, from Leftback/DBP/SRS that on Saturday, Alex Ferguson was at the game to watch Alex Chambo::
buctootim Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 The Gunners have offered £5million up front with £5m to follow in *instalments, and are willing to loan Oxlade-Chamberlain back to the Saints for the rest of the season. Wenger fears it could be now or never for a deal as Inter Milan, Real Madrid and Barcelona all circle. If thats true we should hang on till the Summer. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Arsenal-trying-to-rush-through-10m-Alex-Oxlade-Chamberlain-before-window-closes-article686377.html
buctootim Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 @SkysportsPeteO: Skysports.com understands Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain will not be leaving Southampton this month. Follow me on Twitter @skysportspeteo
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 At least we actually seem to have some strength in the transfer window these days.
jawillwill Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 We should sell him to Pompey. It'll cripple them financially, and we'll have him back by the end of the season.
trousers Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 @SkysportsPeteO: Skysports.com understands Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain will not be leaving Southampton this month. Follow me on Twitter @skysportspeteo Something we knew in December....
Secret Site Agent Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 As Southampton conduct all their transfer dealings in secret I would like to know where the £10m has come from. Is it just tabloid rumour speculation that has now been touted round as gospel? In the current financial situation I wouldn't think a Premier league club would pay a first division club anything like that for a 17 year old who has played only half a season, even though he has shown occasional flashes of brilliance. A couple of million maybe with a bit more for appearances, hence no deal. The trouble is is that they are all lazy Journalists. We MUST be desperate to sell him because we are so poor and Arsenal MUST be the ones to sign him................ Because............................................... We MUST have been desperate to sell Walcott because we were so poor and he went to Arsenal. Where as in truth Arsehol rings up Nicola and says he Want AOC and this is what we will get. NC tells him he needs to sell someone to afford AOC. Whilst they are talking, NC wants to know how much he wants for Fabrigas. Arshol laughs and says, 'You couldn't afford him.' To which NC points out we could, we don't have to sell AOC to survive, and please '**** off, you pauper.' Great stuff.
Turkish Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 so the two biggest threads of the season so far were for a player who isn't leaving and another who isn't joining. Neither thread based on any fact, just pure speculation and ITKness.
Matthew Le God Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 so the two biggest threads of the season so far were for a player who isn't leaving and another who isn't joining. Neither thread based on any fact, just pure speculation and ITKness. It was based on some facts. Arsene Wenger, Damian Comoli and Alex Ferguson have all been shown publicly to be interested with Chamberlain. However all the written press completely ignored the interview in December when Nicola Cortese (backed with the financial security of the club being owned by the estate of a billionaire) said that Chamberlain won't be sold. None the less the media continued with the story and are now shown to be wrong. Many newspaper reports also contained significant factual errors and inaccuracies.
Turkish Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 It was based on some facts. Arsene Wenger, Damian Comoli and Alex Ferguson have all been shown publicly to be interested with Chamberlain. However all the written press completely ignored the interview in December when Nicola Cortese (backed with the financial security of the club being owned by the estate of a billionaire) said that Chamberlain won't be sold. None the less the media continued with the story and are now shown to be wrong. Many newspaper reports also contained significant factual errors and inaccuracies. and 95% of our fans ignored it as well.
trousers Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 and 95% of our fans ignored it as well. Indeed
up and away Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 so the two biggest threads of the season so far were for a player who isn't leaving and another who isn't joining. Neither thread based on any fact, just pure speculation and ITKness. There is no ITK, but there are plenty of statements by all that you cannot help to fall over them. If you looked closer it was also evident that Arsenal were baulking at the price and the lad remaining at Saints for the rest of the season looked probable, something predicted by many. There has been a concerted effort in the press to promote the view Oxo would be moving on. Something not driven by the club and something Chamberlain could have immediately put a stop to, instead of saying how good it would be!
Matthew Le God Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 BBC Radio Solent Twitter... #saintsfc Nigel Adkins has just told solentsport that Alex Chamberlin trained today and will be on the coach tomorrow for Exeter. 53 seconds ago
Tom & Gerry Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 The trouble is is that they are all lazy Journalists. We MUST be desperate to sell him because we are so poor and Arsenal MUST be the ones to sign him................ Because............................................... We MUST have been desperate to sell Walcott because we were so poor and he went to Arsenal. Where as in truth Arsehol rings up Nicola and says he Want AOC and this is what we will get. NC tells him he needs to sell someone to afford AOC. Whilst they are talking, NC wants to know how much he wants for Fabrigas. Arshol laughs and says, 'You couldn't afford him.' To which NC points out we could, we don't have to sell AOC to survive, and please '**** off, you pauper.' Great stuff. Well less than 10hours to find out. I'll settle for Nasri (if he passes the medical)
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 BBC Radio Solent Twitter... #saintsfc Nigel Adkins has just told solentsport that Alex Chamberlin trained today and will be on the coach tomorrow for Exeter. 53 seconds ago Could be back on loan Either way, not long before I get to lock this hysterical piece of crap.
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Maybe there was never anything very real in any of all this but even if there was AOC didn't do anywhere near enough on Saturday to persuade any top club to part with 8/10 million on the nail. He was far from being our best player and showed a lot of naivety when faced with superior quality players. He'll learn to be sure but he'll still be available to be snapped up when he's got a bit more savvy to compliment his obvious talent.
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Maybe there was never anything very real in any of all this but even if there was AOC didn't do anywhere near enough on Saturday to persuade any top club to part with 8/10 million on the nail. He was far from being our best player and showed a lot of naivety when faced with superior quality players. He'll learn to be sure but he'll still be available to be snapped up when he's got a bit more savvy to compliment his obvious talent. Tactically Saturday was his best game for us, he showed alot of maturity and composure as a 17 year old to do the disciplined job he did. He may not have done any wonder stuff but it was more of a team performance from the lad.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 BBC Radio Solent Twitter... #saintsfc Nigel Adkins has just told solentsport that Alex Chamberlin trained today and will be on the coach tomorrow for Exeter. 53 seconds ago What the hell is NA doing talking to the media when he should be completing multi million pound transfers?!?!
ericofarabia Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 BBC Radio Solent Twitter... #saintsfc Nigel Adkins has just told solentsport that Alex Chamberlin trained today and will be on the coach tomorrow for Exeter. 53 seconds ago Should we read anything into NA saying that Oxo will be on the coach - not the BUS?
up and away Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/01/31/2331392/arsenal-beat-manchester-city-to-secure-10m-deal-for Well someone has gone into print and actually say there is an agreement between Oxo and Arsenal? strange why we would agree on a part of the fee conditional upon appearances:uhoh:
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/01/31/2331392/arsenal-beat-manchester-city-to-secure-10m-deal-for Well someone has gone into print and actually say there is an agreement between Oxo and Arsenal? strange why we would agree on a part of the fee conditional upon appearances:uhoh: That sounds like a "covering all our bases" article - if he goes in the summer they can say "oh look, we were right" and if he doesn't then it is just forgotten.
AK Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 From BBC Sport's David Ornstein on Twitter: "Unless big late offer for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, he's staying at Southampton. He trained today & senior source tells me club NOT in any talks."
Jimmy_D Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Huge result if we have managed to hold on to him. How many times were the papers reporting all but a done deal?
shurlock Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 (edited) It was based on some facts. Arsene Wenger, Damian Comoli and Alex Ferguson have all been shown publicly to be interested with Chamberlain. However all the written press completely ignored the interview in December when Nicola Cortese (backed with the financial security of the club being owned by the estate of a billionaire) said that Chamberlain won't be sold. None the less the media continued with the story and are now shown to be wrong. Many newspaper reports also contained significant factual errors and inaccuracies. Youre missing the point - its not about what the club says. if a player wants to leave, there's not much you can do - just look at andy carroll. Newcastle seemingly stood firm and rejected two offers only to have a transfer request thrown in their face. Keeping an unhappy player is untenable - better to cash in. Edited 31 January, 2011 by shurlock
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Youre missing the point - its not about what the club says. if a player wants to leave, there's not much you can do - just look at andy carroll. Yes, but you're also missing the point. The player obviously DOESN'T want to leave.
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Yes, but you're also missing the point. The player obviously DOESN'T want to leave. Or the buyers won't put up the money.
shurlock Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Yes, but you're also missing the point. The player obviously DOESN'T want to leave. Yes but thats not the point. MLG wan't discussing whether AOC wanted to be here- only the position/wishes of the club, that if NC said AOC was staying, that was the end of the matter. It totally misunderstands the balance of power between club and player.
Matthew Le God Posted 31 January, 2011 Posted 31 January, 2011 Yes but thats not the point. MLG wan't discussing whether AOC wanted to be here- only the position/wishes of the club, that if NC said AOC was staying, that was the end of the matter. It totally misunderstands the balance of power between club and player. I think you will actually find in this thread I have said that Cortese only said those things in December because he knew the player wouldn't leave even when the inevitable bids came in. He would have been foolish to make such a claim without knowing the players intentions and it "looks" like Cortese and I will be showed to be correct.
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