derry Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Barcelona are also just about the best in your face closing down team around, enables them to win the ball back if not in possession.
dubai_phil Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Ox has got a funny looking face & his tongue is very large
NickG Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 There hasn't been a World Cup held during the 18th year of Alex's life. Nor is Sven still picking who is on the plane. ok, Alex was older when he first played for England U18s than Theo was when he went to a world cup. When Theo was picked he was 17y 2 months, at last world cup Alex was 2 months short of 17. Means nothing!!!
benjii Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Theo used to be good but now Neil Heaney is better.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 The difference between Theo and Oxo is that, at 17, Theo was on the plane but Oxo is only on the bus.
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 (edited) Players develop at different rates, just because theo was better at 17 doesn't mean Chamberlain won't end up a better player. It's hard to judge but Theo obviously showed more potential skill wise but Chamberlain looks like he might have a better footballing brain and a more agressive attitude. Edited 24 January, 2011 by aintforever
shurlock Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Oxo is less quick than theo but has better awareness than him - wheras theo seems suited to the wing, oxo has the potential to play in the middle of the park as a proper no.10.
Saint_clark Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Then four years later regressed to the point where he couldn't even make the squad. Are you saying that Walcott now is worse than when he was 17?
St Chalet Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 TW had been to a world cup by the time he was Ox-C's age. AOC has played as many World Cup Final games as Theo.
NickG Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 this needs sorting out as only one of them can make it as a footballer!
saint_bert Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I dont get the constant need to compare them anyway.
davefizzy14 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I remember four years ago in 2007 with Bale, the whole month was all speculation from all the newspapers, skysports e.t.c about him being on the verge of leaving but he never did, he stayed until the end of the season which I am forever grateful for. Hopefully Alex will stay with us for a long time yet. COYR
buctootim Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Interesting article here arguing AOC might develop quicker by staying at Saints. http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/01/football-blogs/why-wenger-would-be-wise-to-learn-from-his-mistakes
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 We need him for the promotion push. We do not need to lose such an important player near the end of the transfer window (can we get a replacement in?) especially with our squad looking thin with injuries. £10m is all well and good but our one concern MUST be promotion. What good that money if we are still in League One? Hopefully the indecision over Oxo can work both ways: It seems we all take it for granted that the sustained interests of higher clubs is prising him away. Well, if those clubs can't agree a contract then hopefully the club can push this as a sign that the transfer is going to fail NOW so he should just get his head down. He can then leave all these rumours until the end of season when hopefully we are promoted and therefore a different, more attractive proposition...
NickG Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 I remember four years ago in 2007 with Bale, the whole month was all speculation from all the newspapers, skysports e.t.c about him being on the verge of leaving but he never did, he stayed until the end of the season which I am forever grateful for. Hopefully Alex will stay with us for a long time yet. COYR seem to remember him not playing well in that second half of the season!
Surman4no7shirt Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Are Wenger's comments not considered "tapping up"? Agree with the comments that the rules should change to ban players moving before they are 21. We should also instigate a national youth training program based on the German model.
itchen Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Are Wenger's comments not considered "tapping up"? Agree with the comments that the rules should change to ban players moving before they are 21. We should also instigate a national youth training program based on the German model. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGnzNyNP7ov0dHjewiQ8TiW2PU-vdwyOAjxj0gRQ31vQyBHvOg&t=1
saintscottofthenortham Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 The Sun has changed their mind. He's going to Manure now...
alpine_saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Oh, well. Only another 7 days of this b*ll*cks to tolerate...
trousers Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Are Wenger's comments not considered "tapping up"? Agree with the comments that the rules should change to ban players moving before they are 21. We should also instigate a national youth training program based on the German model. Couldn't agree more...
Saint Charlie Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 His Dad/Agent doing a fully arranged interview to SSN while he is still under contract for 2 years etc surely won't have pleased Saints. It also puts loads of pressure on Alex as if he wasn't hyped enough!
Viking Warrior Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Blackpool looking to replace adams with our own Rickie Lambert now. So looks like we will still be in Division1 next season with so many players wanting to jump ship this news will be please all the negative wrist slitters on this forum I think i will join them as I am getting very depressed about the the negativity so of my fellow fans spout well done toblerone and co you are starting to affect my mind yours ****ed off of Orkney
sfc4prem Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 I GUARANTEE that none of our players will leave in this January window.
saints-cris Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3369085/Manchester-United-bid-to-nab-Alex-Chamberlain-from-under-Arsenals-noses.html Reliable source say Utd are going to bid. The plot thickens.
saintjay77 Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Blackpool looking to replace adams with our own Rickie Lambert now. So looks like we will still be in Division1 next season with so many players wanting to jump ship this news will be please all the negative wrist slitters on this forum I think i will join them as I am getting very depressed about the the negativity so of my fellow fans spout well done toblerone and co you are starting to affect my mind yours ****ed off of Orkney This woindow is proving to be tricky for Cortese. What ever happens we need to come out of it with the same focus and drive to get where we want to as before. If players jump ship it suggests not everyone had bought into the plan that he had of building a team that will be competing with englands best within a couple of years. He needed to convince the players that its worth there while sticking with us. Telling the players we are going places then letting one of our brightest tallents go must have an effect on the rest of the players. None of them want to be in league one when they believe they can play at a higher level. But if they dont see us making strong moves then there mood will change. As soon as one player has his head turned and looks to pastures greener it can have a chain reaction on the other players. The house of cards can quickly fall. If Chambo goes then we need to be strong and replace him straight away. I dont think the loan back option will happen and I dont think he would get the same support or be the same player if it did. Why play someone elses player ahead of a player that wants to be with us? Getting a loan in to cover a position is one thing but getting a loan player in that wants to be somewhere else cant be good for the team. So if he goes and a decent replacement comes in then the team unit will still be confident we are in with a good chance. If no-one comes in then there is a good chance Lambert or Fonte will be interested to hear of possible transfers to higher clubs to make sure they maximise there own future. I personally still think Cortese wont be screwed about and will only accept a deal if it wont effect his plan of getting us promoted this year and challenging next year. I dont think he has a plan for us not getting us promoted and he wont want to start planning for that now.
skintsaint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Just get 7m with add ons and a sell on fee. Buy 3 good CCC players to replace/add to team. I wont complain if it gets us up and out of this league. Maybe I've been playing too much FM.
ottery st mary Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3369085/Manchester-United-bid-to-nab-Alex-Chamberlain-from-under-Arsenals-noses.html Reliable source say Utd are going to bid. The plot thickens. The old ploy of stirring it before the game and putting off the player who was just going to score a hatrick against Utd.
Weston Saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Chamberlain has got to believe in himself. It he wants to play football he should stay at Southampton. He will get regular games, he will develop both physically and mentally and if he has the ability the world will be his oyster in a few years. If he had doubts about his ability or hunger for regular football then we are better off cashing in now as it will hint at a lack of character.
NickG Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 of course he would choose a top 4 side. the issue is how readily will he accept it if Nicola rejects all advances for next few months
Bucks Saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 I GUARANTEE that none of our players will leave in this January window. Phew! can relax now, thanks sfc4p
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Players develop at different rates, just because theo was better at 17 doesn't mean Chamberlain won't end up a better player. It's hard to judge but Theo obviously showed more potential skill wise but Chamberlain looks like he might have a better footballing brain and a more agressive attitude. Theo was no better at 17 IMO then chamberlain was. Theo was picked for a world cup as a wild card and IMO just to aid his progression and open his eyes. It was one of the strangest inclusions in a WC squad i have ever seen. I would hazard a guess that Sven had no intention whatsoever of picking him in any of his squads. AOC is a better footballer than Walcott was at this age, of course, it is hard to make a proper judgement as we are playing essentially a level below that of which we watched Walcott play but nevertheless i think footballing and technically speaking AOC is a better player. Walcott is primarily a sprinter, but has developed into a very very good player indeed in fact it is puzzling just why Wenger uses him so sparingly as he would probably be a starter for every other premiership side.
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Are Wenger's comments not considered "tapping up"? Agree with the comments that the rules should change to ban players moving before they are 21. We should also instigate a national youth training program based on the German model. I have always said we need a youth training facility and programme used by the majority of european clubs, look how many of the older players have been culled from the international squads of the likes of Italy, France and Holland and then look at us, still plodding along with the failures from before. However, banning any youth movement below the age of 21 may very well stifle development. At the end of the day top clubs have top training facilities. No matter how you look at it we are in a position to demand top money for AOC and we will do to an extent. We don't have as much to worry about as say crewe or luton or something if AOC came through their ranks they would be fleeced. FIFA/FA or whatever need to make sure that if a player moves under the age of 21 then the compensation rule must still apply within which the training club recieves add ons or sell on fees IMO this will then help those clubs improve.
dubai_phil Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Are we nearly there yet Dad? No wonder it's all taking so long. His Dad has to keep pulling over and reprogramming the GPS system. He just gets to the M1 Junction on the M25 and has to turn around to Fulham, he gets to Fulham he has to reprogramme to Emirates. He just gets onto the North Circular and has to re-programme it to Manchester. All that after spending 3 weeks getting it all running for the M6 up to Liverpool. Must be doing Dad's head in. Please Turn Around you are going the worng way....
Red and White Army Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 If players jump ship it suggests not everyone had bought into the plan that he had of building a team that will be competing with englands best within a couple of years. Seriously, I doubt any of the players brought into that plan. A few gullible fans may have, but the players know the chances of is getting to the Premier League in two years is very low. Team spirit is all fine and well, but if a Premier club offers to double your wages then it isn't a hard decision to make. As soon as one player has his head turned and looks to pastures greener it can have a chain reaction on the other players. The house of cards can quickly fall. I personally still think Cortese wont be screwed about and will only accept a deal if it wont effect his plan of getting us promoted this year and challenging next year. I dont think he has a plan for us not getting us promoted and he wont want to start planning for that now. He doesn't have a great choice. Either he sells one of our best players and gets x million in the bank or he risks having a sulky stroppy teenager playing poorly and infecting the rest of the team with negativity. Chamberlain has got to believe in himself. It he wants to play football he should stay at Southampton. He will get regular games, he will develop both physically and mentally and if he has the ability the world will be his oyster in a few years. If he had doubts about his ability or hunger for regular football then we are better off cashing in now as it will hint at a lack of character. This is complete ******** Ron. If Chamberlain believes in himself he will want to play at the highest level and learn from the best players. Some make the jump just fine - Walcott and Bale - others like Surman fade. However a player who really believed in themselves wouldn't need to worry about building up in League 1 - they would believe they are ready to go and play against better teams right now. How many people here would seriously turn down a job offer that doubled or tripled their salary with a chance to make it ten times higher in a few years? Anyone? I know I would jump at it.
NickG Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 He doesn't have a great choice. Either he sells one of our best players and gets x million in the bank or he risks having a sulky stroppy teenager playing poorly and infecting the rest of the team with negativity.. This is only a small risk. He is young lad who has played in handful of games. The next tranfer window is only few months away - a time when he can hopefully be scoring goals and winning promotion with us. I don't think its a given that Nicola won't turn down approaches.
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 I think it will be a if you want him come back in the summer situation. We are much more likely to talk to other teams when we know where we are going to be playing our football and when our promotion push isn't going to be prematurely dented. All IMO anyways.
eelpie Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 To me £10mill is a huge unthinkable account. To SFC it may be a huge amount, however to NC. In his budgeting for future it may just be a large amount, and in the area where he can not depend on it. We just don't know the budget NC is dealing with. But how much do we depend on Chambo to get us into an automatic promotion place? (playoffs are a lottery) A heck of a lot. In fact with our present weakened squad we wouldn't imo. How much is promotion worth to the club? More than ten million. Chambo's price will never get decrease, unless his career is cut short by injury. Walcott has repaid Arsenal their investment, so has Bale. So ten mill is peanuts in the big picture. Nothing less.
Weston Saint Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 This is complete ******** Ron. If Chamberlain believes in himself he will want to play at the highest level and learn from the best players. Some make the jump just fine - Walcott and Bale - others like Surman fade. However a player who really believed in themselves wouldn't need to worry about building up in League 1 - they would believe they are ready to go and play against better teams right now. How many people here would seriously turn down a job offer that doubled or tripled their salary with a chance to make it ten times higher in a few years? Anyone? I know I would jump at it.Do not agree Surman has faded. His problem was that he was asked to play with a team containing a number of no hopers in his last season with us. Wolves signed him and as told him he would be a regular. They struggled and McCarthy needed a different sort of player for the relegation battle but continually told Drew he had a future. In the end it was Drew who went to McCarthy and said he wanted a move as he wanted to play football. Norwich heard about it, Drew took a drop in Salary, started the season well but got injured. When he was fit he went straight back into the side but suffered a bad injury again and is out. Just back in training now and hopes to feature when Norwich play Palace. Lallana could have moved on for big wages but he is another who wants to play football. He trusts in the set up to get that promotion. If it does not happen, who knows! Chaimberlain is only 17. If he goes for the money, fine but he will not likely feature in Premier football for a few years. If he has the hunger for football he can earn those wages in a few years. In fact if he develops like expected he might even be able to demand more money in a good contract and make up what he might lose by signing now. Just my opinion
ottery st mary Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Surman was doing more than alright at Norwich prior to injury.......From the Horse and his mouth at Carrow Road.. Tis..true..been told by big supporters of the Canaries.. Hope he gets back soon..A very good footballer.
up and away Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 This is only a small risk. He is young lad who has played in handful of games. The next tranfer window is only few months away - a time when he can hopefully be scoring goals and winning promotion with us. I don't think its a given that Nicola won't turn down approaches. I am not sure what Cortese can do. If Oxo's contract states he is allowed to talk to any one that offers £5M upfront, +£5M on appearances, then Chamberlain can accept any of those offers which meet those conditions. Cortese only comes into play if they are offering less and I don't expect him to accept anything that is not considered a better deal for Saints.
trousers Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 I GUARANTEE that none of our players will leave in this January window. Here's my bank details: 33-16-27 00893173 A deposit of £10k to underwrite your guarantee will suffice. Thanks. :-)
saintscottofthenortham Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 is this likely to be in his contract? I very much doubt there would be a clause in his contract for £5 Million up front and £5 on appearances. Many a club can meet that without a hesitation and Cortese and Adkins have gone on record with their eagerness to keep him here. I think £10 Million up front would be what it would take. However, even with his old man going on Sky Sports F*****g News yesterday, I don't think anyone in the prem, with the current lack of money floating around, will be willing to spaff £10 Million on a 17 year old nipper who has played a handful of League One games and 45 minutes for England U19's.
saintjay77 Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Do not agree Surman has faded. His problem was that he was asked to play with a team containing a number of no hopers in his last season with us. Wolves signed him and as told him he would be a regular. They struggled and McCarthy needed a different sort of player for the relegation battle but continually told Drew he had a future. In the end it was Drew who went to McCarthy and said he wanted a move as he wanted to play football. Norwich heard about it, Drew took a drop in Salary, started the season well but got injured. When he was fit he went straight back into the side but suffered a bad injury again and is out. Just back in training now and hopes to feature when Norwich play Palace. Lallana could have moved on for big wages but he is another who wants to play football. He trusts in the set up to get that promotion. If it does not happen, who knows! Chaimberlain is only 17. If he goes for the money, fine but he will not likely feature in Premier football for a few years. If he has the hunger for football he can earn those wages in a few years. In fact if he develops like expected he might even be able to demand more money in a good contract and make up what he might lose by signing now. Just my opinion Agree with that. It would do him no harm at all to hold out till the end if the season and then assess his options. If we get promoted his has a choice of a 1st team spot in a championship team that is aiming for top 6 or a reserve/academy spot for arsenal, or any number of other prem clubs who would be interested by then. If we don't get promoted then he will have the same choices for other clubs or another year in league 1 with us. At that point he would be gone for sure. If he goes now I would be amazed if he see's any 1st team prem football for the 1st year and the 2nd year would prob only get him cup football. By that time we could be back in the prem playing our kids who have come up through the ranks taking up the spot he could of had in our 1st team. We have the money behind us to be able to reward the players according to the level we reach so the riches that players are after are there if they all push the same way as the club.
The9 Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Theo was no better at 17 IMO then chamberlain was. Theo was picked for a world cup as a wild card and IMO just to aid his progression and open his eyes. It was one of the strangest inclusions in a WC squad i have ever seen. I would hazard a guess that Sven had no intention whatsoever of picking him in any of his squads. AOC is a better footballer than Walcott was at this age, of course, it is hard to make a proper judgement as we are playing essentially a level below that of which we watched Walcott play but nevertheless i think footballing and technically speaking AOC is a better player. Walcott is primarily a sprinter, but has developed into a very very good player indeed in fact it is puzzling just why Wenger uses him so sparingly as he would probably be a starter for every other premiership side. And neither of them are any better than Jake Thomson was, amazing the difference playing in a winning team and not getting injured makes.
Gingeletiss Posted 25 January, 2011 Posted 25 January, 2011 Agree with that. It would do him no harm at all to hold out till the end if the season and then assess his options. If we get promoted his has a choice of a 1st team spot in a championship team that is aiming for top 6 or a reserve/academy spot for arsenal, or any number of other prem clubs who would be interested by then. If we don't get promoted then he will have the same choices for other clubs or another year in league 1 with us. At that point he would be gone for sure. If he goes now I would be amazed if he see's any 1st team prem football for the 1st year and the 2nd year would prob only get him cup football. By that time we could be back in the prem playing our kids who have come up through the ranks taking up the spot he could of had in our 1st team. We have the money behind us to be able to reward the players according to the level we reach so the riches that players are after are there if they all push the same way as the club. This.
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