St Chalet Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 If Arsenal really were going to spend 10m this window I suggest they buy a goalkeeper..... Can we offer them Tommy Forecast as part of any deal?
dubai_phil Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 still no offer then? All rumour and talk at mo. Only clear reports are Arsene saying not spoken to us, Saints saying no offers and not for sale Window is open untill NEXT Monday, lots of time yet
EBS1980 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I don't care who he goes to if AOC wants to leave. There are enough clubs interested, whoever offers the best deal to us should get him. If arsenal won't meet our demands for him I'm sure someone else will. Like the holloway approach with Adam. Telling Liverpool to put up or shut up and stop trying to unrest Adam.
Dazza82 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Been reading some arsenal sites and they dont seem to think they need him and would rather have the money spent on a defender. I think that NC needs to stand firm on this and hold onto him for at least the summer, otherwise what does it say about the great southampton plan that has been told to people, players like Lallana and Fonte will wonder if what they may have been told is wide of the mark and may want out too
Tac-tics Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 The usual bum bandits don't shoot the messenger, shouldn't really post this but bored as **** at work. This really isn't surprising and he won't tell me direct details for obvious reasons but there has been official dialogue between Arsenal and Saints regarding Oxo. As to whether or not its a bid or enquiry, remains to be seen.
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 TBF what do fans know !! Look at us!
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 If he is going and isn't returning on loan, then I can't stress enough how disappointed I'll be if a few players don't arrive within a few days. The speculation is rife and the club must know bids are imminent. Even if they don't want him to leave there is always the chance he will ask to go. We should be succession planning right now and making enquiries accordingly. Oxlade-Chamberlain leaving is disappointing but understandable. To not have replacements lined up is criminal from the club.
NickG Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Window is open untill NEXT Monday, lots of time yet true but think all reports that it is a done deal and definitely off are premature
buctootim Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 (edited) there has been official dialogue between Arsenal and Saints regarding Oxo. As to whether or not its a bid or enquiry, remains to be seen. Arse - "£5m". Saints "£10m". Arse - "we'll call you back". Edited 24 January, 2011 by buctootim
jimmysaint7 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 That's daft! So you would jeopardise promotion? The best deal for us to sell him for as much as possible and keep him on loan for as long as possible! no i would rather just replace him. he will not be the difference between promotion or not i can guarentee that.if the deal goes ahead lets replace him and move on. gone are the days i worry about 17 year old footballers being sold.
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 If bigger teams want to rape the lower leagues for talent then they should be made to pay ott prices.....after all they don't invest in their own academies but rely on clubs like ours to spend millions nurturing talented players,so they should pay through the nose for being lazy. IMO if the arse pay £10m upfront then a) I would be very very surprised and b) I would rip their arms off.
derry Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 no i would rather just replace him. he will not be the difference between promotion or not i can guarentee that.if the deal goes ahead lets replace him and move on. gone are the days i worry about 17 year old footballers being sold. As far as I am concerned If Arsenal or anyone else including his advisers want to force a sale that's fine, but from there on, we play hardball and who cares about his future, that is down to others, certainly not Saints. Put him up for auction, best price up front plus sell on fee, If he doesn't like it, tough. Forget any loan just replace him, he is a long way from the finished product and provided we buy a good replacement he won't be missed. If he wants to stay and play, that's great, but if he wants to go, bye.
BLINK Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 if he goes, then personally I dont want him back on loan. 6 months of 1st team football then leaving for the big time is a disgusting attitude. Bale had to go because we needed the money but at least he stayed for a whole season and for that I can respect him. If oxo goes then I hope he rots in the reserves.
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 if he goes, then personally I dont want him back on loan. 6 months of 1st team football then leaving for the big time is a disgusting attitude. Bale had to go because we needed the money but at least he stayed for a whole season and for that I can respect him. If oxo goes then I hope he rots in the reserves. Careful, that almost sounds like the indignant text I received from Phil this morning.
up and away Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Tonight's London Evening Standard (back page): "Saints chairman Nicola Cortese is demanding £10million up front with the Gunners targeting a deal closer to £5m plus add-ons" Stand your ground Mr Cortese... When you go through all the comments that have been made by Adkins, Cortese, Wenger and Chamberlain, only one thing makes any sense. That being there are conditions in the contract that if met, gives the Chamberlains the option of taking up the deal. The only way any club can guarantee signing the lad is to accept those terms, there is nothing else left open for discussion. What does have merit and further thought, is how important is a player like Oxo to Arsenal? From all the talent they have in this area they seem to have a surplus of riches and I am not completely sure this area is a priority at top dollar. If Arsene wants to negotiate it's then back in Saints hands with no cards to play but that of a disgruntled player. I would bet Cortese not even considering anything unless Arsene came up with a package that would be in Saints best interest. That may be a reduced price with the correct loan players, who knows. I am sure Cortese won't be giving anything away.
jimmysaint7 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 As far as I am concerned If Arsenal or anyone else including his advisers want to force a sale that's fine, but from there on, we play hardball and who cares about his future, that is down to others, certainly not Saints. Put him up for auction, best price up front plus sell on fee, If he doesn't like it, tough. Forget any loan just replace him, he is a long way from the finished product and provided we buy a good replacement he won't be missed. If he wants to stay and play, that's great, but if he wants to go, bye. spot on!
trousers Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Is the Standard still a free rag that you pick up at the tube entrance and leave on the seat when you get off?? Yes, it's been free for a year or so now. But it makes excellent cat litter tray lining so I take mine with me rather than leave it on t' train.
Massimo Osti Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 He has a meeting with Arsenal on Weds, A friends Mrs works with AOC's Mother and she has requested the day off to attend. Goodby AOC . For the sake of the national side I would have prefered to see him go to Manchested Utd seeing what a mess the Gunners have made of TW's development.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 He has a meeting with Arsenal on Weds, A friends Mrs works with AOC's Mother and she has requested the day off to attend. Goodby AOC . For the sake of the national side I would have prefered to see him go to Manchested Utd seeing what a mess the Gunners have made of TW's development. what a joke
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Been reading some arsenal sites and they dont seem to think they need him and would rather have the money spent on a defender. I think that NC needs to stand firm on this and hold onto him for at least the summer, otherwise what does it say about the great southampton plan that has been told to people, players like Lallana and Fonte will wonder if what they may have been told is wide of the mark and may want out too More or less how I see it too, quite a few fans will want out as well. This season really is beginning to shape up like "make or break", If Adkins can't get us up it's quite possible that Cortese will up sticks as well, then he'd sell all his quality players to get the books looking really good for a sale.
capitalsaint Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 More or less how I see it too, quite a few fans will want out as well. This season really is beginning to shape up like "make or break", If Adkins can't get us up it's quite possible that Cortese will up sticks as well, then he'd sell all his quality players to get the books looking really good for a sale. i think the complete opposite. are you suggesting that we are on a par with arsenal? we are a THIRD DIVISION team, they are in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.
derry Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 what a joke If Walcott had gone to Utd he would have joined a club tailormade for his pace as a wide man initially. Arsenal have made little use of his pace as they mostly push on the full back or the midfielders, strikers run wide into the space he would use whilst he drifts inside to take part in the passing movement. This is why he is struggling to get into the international starting team who want him to use his pace down the touchline. At Utd he would have been allowed to use his pace on the break without being blocked off by his own players. I also think he went to the wrong club. I think at Utd he would have become a better player and a shoe in for England.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 but walcott is not a winger though..so why use him as one..? this season he has played more central for arsenal than every before (wenger said this would be the case) and he has been excellent
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 For the sake of the national side I would have prefered to see him go to Manchested Utd seeing what a mess the Gunners have made of TW's development. I agree, Walcott would be a far better player under Ferguson at Man U, learning winning football not Arsenal's tippy tappy ****.
S-Clarke Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I must admit I always saw Theo as a central striker and was frustrated at Arsenal's use of him as a wide man at the beginning, as it think his strengths are playing on the shoulder of the CB through the middle. He's got 10 goals this season from playing in that position, not too bad really. He's developed a bit slower than you'd have thought, but you can't say arsenal have ruined him.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I agree, Walcott would be a far better player under Ferguson at Man U, learning winning football not Arsenal's tippy tappy ****. I could see theo getting loads of game time ahead of ronaldo and nani..!!!
Massimo Osti Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 what a joke If Walcott had gone to Utd he would have joined a club tailormade for his pace as a wide man initially. Arsenal have made little use of his pace as they mostly push on the full back or the midfielders, strikers run wide into the space he would use whilst he drifts inside to take part in the passing movement. This is why he is struggling to get into the international starting team who want him to use his pace down the touchline. At Utd he would have been allowed to use his pace on the break without being blocked off by his own players. I also think he went to the wrong club. I think at Utd he would have become a better player and a shoe in for England. What a Joke ??? What a Cracking World Cup he had DellDays??? sat on a sun lounger thinking of what could have been, The same will happen to AOC if or when he ends up at the new library
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 If Walcott had gone to Utd he would have joined a club tailormade for his pace as a wide man initially. Arsenal have made little use of his pace as they mostly push on the full back or the midfielders, strikers run wide into the space he would use whilst he drifts inside to take part in the passing movement. This is why he is struggling to get into the international starting team who want him to use his pace down the touchline. At Utd he would have been allowed to use his pace on the break without being blocked off by his own players. I also think he went to the wrong club. I think at Utd he would have become a better player and a shoe in for England. I would give it another 2 or 3 years before making such a judgement towards Walcott. Wenger sees him as a like for like replacement for Henry and is pretty much bringing him up in a similar fashion to that of Henry's movement into a striker by playing him out wide and gradually making use of him as a striker. This way Walcott will learn wing play as well as striking, he clearly knows where the goal is and IMO will end up as a striker down the middle (or as close to it as arsenal play) but then arsenal have a very fluid front line and what Wenger is teaching him will compliment this. My only problem with Walcott is that he is very very lightweight and is probably not 100% suited to the hussle and bussle of the prem TBH. His strength has never really improved and he picks up more injuries then 606 picks up bad rumours.
derry Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 but walcott is not a winger though..so why use him as one..? this season he has played more central for arsenal than every before (wenger said this would be the case) and he has been excellent I think you are confusing drifting inside for playing as a striker. He plays as one of the wide midfielders in the Arsenal style which reduces his ability to use his pace which could destroy teams as he did against Croatia and Barcelona when Arsenal were being hammered.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I think you are confusing drifting inside for playing as a striker. He plays as one of the wide midfielders in the Arsenal style which reduces his ability to use his pace which could destroy teams as he did against Croatia and Barcelona when Arsenal were being hammered. he plays the right side of a front line...?? im not confusing anything..theo is not a winger...aaron lennon is a winger..theo plays as a right forward and has played/come in more central this season and has been excellent
ericb Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 earning winning football not Arsenal's tippy tappy ****. Yup cause no team has ever won a world cup and a european championship from passing football or "tippy tappy". Nope i could never imagine the opposition calling what's happened to their national side in the final of a major tournament Death by a thousand passes. Nor could i imagine a team trying to nullify this game by kicking the opposition off the park. Still good thing we'd never go for that in this country, since we've got a winning attitude here that doesn't involve stupid things like passing the opposition to death and learning to control the game.......
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 he plays the right side of a front line...?? im not confusing anything..theo is not a winger...aaron lennon is a winger..theo plays as a right forward and has played/come in more central this season and has been excellent Not really, he plays as more of a winger than a forward TBF, Arsenal line up with a 4-3-3 of sorts formation but the front 3 are very very fluid with Nasri/Fabregas mulling around behind them and then a holding midfielder infront of the back two, they also like to overload the front line by chucking their full backs forwards at any oppurtunity.
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Yup cause no team has ever won a world cup and a european championship from passing football or "tippy tappy". Nope i could never imagine the opposition calling what's happened to their national side in the final of a major tournament Death by a thousand passes. Nor could i imagine a team trying to nullify this game by kicking the opposition off the park. Still good thing we'd never go for that in this country, since we've got a winning attitude here that doesn't involve stupid things like passing the opposition to death and learning to control the game....... What have Arsenal won in the last 5 years???
NickG Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 What a Joke ??? What a Cracking World Cup he had DellDays??? sat on a sun lounger thinking of what could have been, The same will happen to AOC if or when he ends up at the new library TW had been to a world cup by the time he was Ox-C's age.
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Yup cause no team has ever won a world cup and a european championship from passing football or "tippy tappy". Nope i could never imagine the opposition calling what's happened to their national side in the final of a major tournament Death by a thousand passes. Nor could i imagine a team trying to nullify this game by kicking the opposition off the park. Still good thing we'd never go for that in this country, since we've got a winning attitude here that doesn't involve stupid things like passing the opposition to death and learning to control the game....... Man U's brand of football is way way more successful, they pass it around too you know. Arsenal always come unstuck, much to over elaborate. The stats speak for themselves, they have won **** all for years despite having a huge array of talent.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 What have Arsenal won in the last 5 years??? is the history of success only years long..? I hate barcelonas tippy tappy shyt
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Man U's brand of football is way way more successful, they pass it around too you know. Arsenal always come unstuck, much to over elaborate. The stats speak for themselves, they have won **** all for years despite having a huge array of talent. and spent the fraction of what man u have done..
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 TW had been to a world cup by the time he was Ox-C's age. Then four years later regressed to the point where he couldn't even make the squad.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Then four years later regressed to the point where he couldn't even make the squad. he was no worse than most of the ****s that went...infact, he probably should have gone given the state of rooney and co
ericb Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 What have Arsenal won in the last 5 years??? True, but then Barcelona and Spain play that style and have looked immense. I personally have an issue with so many people thinking that passing the ball around is a bad thing. If you listen to the people who have masterminded what Spain have achieved in the last eight years with their football they say the most important thing was to teach simple ball control, and to have every player comfortable on the ball and patient to move it. That's not to say it's the only way to win - Greece have showed that on the international stage, as have Chelsea on the league stage - but surely it's better to not slate the method for being too "tippy tappy". Or maybe that's just me? Since i think it's something that the England team, and English players, seriously lack.
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 he was no worse than most of the ****s that went...infact, he probably should have gone given the state of rooney and co I would have taken him, but fact was four years after being good enough, the manager thought he was too sh!t to go. How can that be good development?!
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 is the history of success only years long..? I hate barcelonas tippy tappy shyt Yeah Barca have won nothing for 5 years....
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 TW had been to a world cup by the time he was Ox-C's age. There hasn't been a World Cup held during the 18th year of Alex's life. Nor is Sven still picking who is on the plane.
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 True, but then Barcelona and Spain play that style and have looked immense. I personally have an issue with so many people thinking that passing the ball around is a bad thing. If you listen to the people who have masterminded what Spain have achieved in the last eight years with their football they say the most important thing was to teach simple ball control, and to have every player comfortable on the ball and patient to move it. That's not to say it's the only way to win - Greece have showed that on the international stage, as have Chelsea on the league stage - but surely it's better to not slate the method for being too "tippy tappy". Or maybe that's just me? Since i think it's something that the England team, and English players, seriously lack. Put Messi in any of the Prems top 5 and they would probably win the Champions league.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Yeah Barca have won nothing for 5 years.... barcelonas tippy tappy shyt has seen them score 50 goals in the last 12 games...
dubai_phil Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Careful, that almost sounds like the indignant text I received from Phil this morning. Oi... Good luck to the lad. IF he goes then Arsenil then it is the best place for a youngster OTHER than with us. They at least TRY to develop talent, unlike Man C who buy any one or Liverpool who (bought) rubbish. Nothing is as simple as it seems though and there is only ONE truth in Football. Only us fans are stuck with the same club for life in these modern days. IMHO this will run for a few more days yet, sure to be more stories twists and gossip. I think this is all a far bigger distraction than the Manc game though. How lucky we are that Lalllana is out for a few months so nobody thinks he is worth a punt this month...................................................... etc etc yeah right nudge nudge wink wink of course he is for sure honest guv
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 True, but then Barcelona and Spain play that style and have looked immense. I personally have an issue with so many people thinking that passing the ball around is a bad thing. If you listen to the people who have masterminded what Spain have achieved in the last eight years with their football they say the most important thing was to teach simple ball control, and to have every player comfortable on the ball and patient to move it. That's not to say it's the only way to win - Greece have showed that on the international stage, as have Chelsea on the league stage - but surely it's better to not slate the method for being too "tippy tappy". Or maybe that's just me? Since i think it's something that the England team, and English players, seriously lack. Barca play a different way as well - they have a couple of real hard men that can mix it up as well. Thats what make them so succesful as well as United. Arsenal can only play one way.
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 barcelonas tippy tappy shyt has seen them score 50 goals in the last 12 games... Are you being thick on purpose?
Papa Shango Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 what a joke Agreed. He's scored a hatrick for England, a goal in a cup final and has been one of Arsenal's better players in recent times. Can't understand why people think Walcott has underachieved or would have been better off staying here/going to another club. He's still only 21 as well so it's not like he can't continue to improve. He's an important player for one of Europe's top teams, can't ask for much more than that.
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