once_bitterne Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Lol...lol...He was never asked, that was a direct quote from the man himself! Do you mean there is a quote from O'Neill that he was never approached about the saints job? Do you have a link to that as there are some on the Ugly forum who insist that O'Neill would have taken the job here had it not been for NC insisting Les Reed stayed in his role.
once_bitterne Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Do you mean there is a quote from O'Neill that he was never approached about the saints job? Do you have a link to that as there are some on the Ugly forum who insist that O'Neill would have taken the job here had it not been for NC insisting Les Reed stayed in his role. P.s. I never for a second believed that MoN would take a job at a third tier club!!!!
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Lol...lol...He was never asked, that was a direct quote from the man himself! Someone within the West Ham setup obviously believed he was going to be and told the media so. The media didn't create it out of thin air.
miserableoldgit Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Someone within the West Ham setup obviously believed he was going to be and told the media so. The media didn't create it out of thin air. Karen Brady confirmed on Radio 5 yesterday that the board at WHU had never discussed getting MoN in. His name was never mentioned. Maybe b*llocks but I think that she is quite honest.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 (edited) Someone within the West Ham setup obviously believed he was going to be and told the media so. The media didn't create it out of thin air. There was an interview on Radio 5 with Karen Brady yesterday, she was asked the question, and she agreed, that he hadn't been approached. Our media is getting to good at mischif making, and too many fans believe every word. Edited 24 January, 2011 by Gingeletiss Wrong Bl00dy radio station
Verbal Kint Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Ten million is a ridiculous amount of money for a 17 year old. We should take it without doubt. Alex is not that important to us as a team (Lallana and Fonte are much more so.) How much do people think oxo will be worth in say, five years time?
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 How much do people think oxo will be worth in say, five years time? not as much as people think...football will have changed alot (in the financial terms) by 2015
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 not as much as people think...football will have changed alot (in the financial terms) by 2015 I agree. That and Oxo is overrated and not as good as Bale or Walcott.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I agree. That and Oxo is overrated and not as good as Bale or Walcott. theo was better at this age in a higher league... OxO will go on to be avery good player though....just like aaron lennon I reckon
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 not as much as people think...imo football will have changed alot (in the financial terms) by 2015 There DD, I've edited it for you, changing 'fact' into opinion, happy to oblige;)
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 There was an interview on Radio 5 with Karen Brady yesterday, she was asked the question, and she agreed, that he hadn't been approached. Our media is getting to good at mischif making, and too many fans believe every word. Course she would. Hardly likely to say yes we did but he made mugs of us and turned it down. Clearly it came from somewhere. It's not often that BBC say 'BBC Sport understands' unless they get a pretty decent source. Added to that the amount of factions within West Ham and I am more inclined to believe in the journalistic quality of the BBC than those bunch of Cockney shysters.
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 theo was better at this age in a higher league... OxO will go on to be avery good player though....just like aaron lennon I reckon Yes. Ten million still absolutely brilliant for us, especially if it is all up front.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Course she would. Hardly likely to say yes we did but he made mugs of us and turned it down. Clearly it came from somewhere. It's not often that BBC say 'BBC Sport understands' unless they get a pretty decent source. Added to that the amount of factions within West Ham and I am more inclined to believe in the journalistic quality of the BBC than those bunch of Cockney shysters. Struth!! so her saying it, and himself also saying he wasn't asked, is not good enough for you, yet you believe media speculation!
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 There DD, I've edited it for you, changing 'fact' into opinion, happy to oblige;) no IMO about it you are aware of the financial rules that have to be in place by 2015 for clubs to participate in european competitions etc etc..? UEFA are cracking the whip
saintjay77 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I think the fact his Dad is on SSN talking about Arsenal are his son's preferred destination and Arsenal have confirmed on their O\S they are negotiating for the player as well as Wenger's comment's after Arsenal's game at the weekend we can pretty much conclude that it is not a matter of IF but WHEN. DD is spot on (for once) and the WHEN is looking pretty close! To be honest I haven't seen the SSN bit with his dad so take this with a pinch of salt but..... There is a way of asking questions that Sky Sports like to use to get certain answers that they can use later on. For instance if they said, "The rumour of Man City, Newcastle and Arsenal trying to buy your son, where would you prefer him to go?" His prefered choice may well be Arsenal in that choice and in saying it SSN can repeat it as fact for the rest of the week. From whats been said on here it doesnt sound like he was asked if a bid had actually gone in or if his son has actually asked for a move. He even added to his own comments that no talks had gone on between the clubs as yet but SSN will forget to mention that every time they say Chambo prefers a move to Arsenal. Arsenals own website have just quoted what Arsene said in the interview. Which is the same story that is everywhere else and is being made more of than it actually is. Arsene was told by a reporter who claims he has more info than anyone else in that he has been told by "someone close to Chambo" that he wants a move to Arsenal. Wenger responds with "If thats true then its a good decision" he then goes on to say nothing has been done yet with the clubs. So its all based on what 1 reporter has said which sounds to me like he was clever in how he asked a question to get a response he could then print. Effectivly Wenger has been tricked into publicly tapping up a player from another club. No talks between the clubs about said player yet Wenger has publicly said he wants to try and sign said player. If Chambo puts in a transfer request now we could have Arsenal by the short and curlys for tapping up. (well probably not but it could be an option) If Arsenal come up with an offer that is too good to turn down then it will no doubt happen. But what offer is too good? We dont need money but we do need our best players. Blackpool are in the same boat with Adam. He may be worth say 10 mil (thats what I think teams should be offering and 4 mil is taking the P) but if blackpool sell him and lose there key player that effectivly earns them all there points, then they could get relegated losing out on 45 mil. So then 10 mil doesnt seem as good an offer as you would think. So how must is Chambo worth to our promotion push? 5 mil now and 5 later if he makes it at arsenal is not that great an offer when promotion will be worth at least 5 mil next year and puts us in the hat for getting back to the prem which is worth far more. We wont get in the prem if we cant get out of league 1!
saint1977 Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Looks like a deal is about to happen with Arsenal but I disagree with those that don't want a loan back - AOC will continue to improve and his pace will feature in a lot of games between now and the end of the season. I think we have to put our trust in NC to get the best deal which I'm sure he will. I also think Craig McKail-Smith won't be the last major player on the bus before the end of January, especially with Puncheon off as well. If those happen to be a pacy winger and perhaps a tougher CM, and we got AOC on a loan back, I'd have to say we'd be looking strong favourites to win the league and be a real force in the NPC next year as well.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 no IMO about it you are aware of the financial rules that have to be in place by 2015 for clubs to participate in european competitions etc etc..? UEFA are cracking the whip Yes, but do you really believe that will make an impact (image rights etc), football clubs will always find a way round things, look at Poopey.
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Struth!! so her saying it, and himself also saying he wasn't asked, is not good enough for you, yet you believe media speculation! No I believe that someone high up within the west ham camp leaked their intentions to the media. I don't think the media made it up.
saintbletch Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Is it not time that we started a "Good Luck at your new club Alex" thread? It's quite obvious that someone has found the Emergency Exit lever on the bus. Or was it more of an Escape to Victory plot? Nope. It's not Escape to Victory, it's another "on the bus" tale called "The Swiss-ITALIAN JOB." Here's the plot. A bus has crashed leaving the arse-end hanging precariously over a precipice on a winding road in the leafy hills above The Avenue. At the bottom of the drop, is a grinning Arsene Wenger looking skyward with his arms outstretched waiting to catch anything that falls from the bus. On the bus, and standing at the safe end is a very pensive Nicola Cortese who is looking down the bus to the dangerous end where he can see a very relaxed Alex Oxlade-Chamberlaine (and his Dad) apparently unaware that is presence there may cause the bus to crash to the ground below. In the middle of the bus, between Cortese and AOC is a huge pile of gold, I'd estimate there to be between £5M and £10M worth. The way it's filmed makes it unclear if Cortese is waiting for AOC to run towards him so they can both get off the bus leaving the the pile of gold to fall, or if Cortese wants AOC to fall from the bus leaving a huge pile of gold behind. This is a re-make and as I've seen the original starring Theo Walcott, I won't spoil the ending for you.
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Yes, but do you really believe that will make an impact (image rights etc), football clubs will always find a way round things, look at Poopey. yes I do...unless they are man city or another super dupa rich owner then the clubs will have to comply...
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 No I believe that someone high up within the west ham camp leaked their intentions to the media. I don't think the media made it up. I'll try again:rolleyes: Martin O'Neill came on the radio after the story broke, and after West Ham gave Grant a vote of confidence, to say that he had never been approached, what part of that do you not understand!
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 yes I do...unless they are man city or another super dupa rich owner then the clubs will have to comply... Then DD, you live in a different world to the rest of football. All, and I mean all clubs, will seek a way round this rule.
Verbal Kint Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Yes. Ten million still absolutely brilliant for us, especially if it is all up front. It won't be all up front, that's not the way that club does things. They pick off future superstars for a few million quid up front with the promise of add ons, knowing full well if they ever have to pay them they won't care as they'll have a player worth multiple times what they paid originally... Disgusting to continually see our club produce players with world class potential only for them to be sold off after five minutes of first team football. Not blaming anyone because i don't see what anyone can do to stop it but it's a very sad day every time we sell another one off. And, in my opinion, Theo was all pace when he was with us whereas oxo has shown so much more than pace already. I think he'll be a better player than Theo and will undoubtedly play for England. When all that happens i don't think people will look back and think we got a good deal. I guess time will tell. And Wenger's comments today are the equivalent of tapping up. No agreement with club or player but stating clearly in public that he wants to sign him. And he has the cheek to slag off Barcelona over Fabregas...
Dr Who? Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 AOC is off, Arsenal would be a to bigger chance for him to turn down, we cannot compete. If we lose him and Lalana is out for much longer we will struggle to stay in touch with the top 2. We can say all we like that he will stay, but if I was him this is a career move that not many would turn down!
buctootim Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 (edited) "He's a player that I have followed for some time, but I do not want to unsettle Lille now," explained Wenger. "When he is available for transfer, we will see if there is the possibility to sign him." That's Wenger on Eden Hazzard. Now why the fck can't he pay us the same respect? Behave! Hes doing exactly the same thing to Lille. Sending out a message to the player and the French press that Arsenal want Hazzard whilst pretending to be doing things properly. Edited 24 January, 2011 by buctootim
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Then DD, you live in a different world to the rest of football. All, and I mean all clubs, will seek a way round this rule. unless the owners of said clubs are rich enough to pay them the difference outside of football then the clubs will only have 70% of their income allowed to be spent...... im sure some will get round this but in now way will all.......arsenal wont..but they are sensible...man u are in serious debt...chelsea have aready curbed their spending... 5live were talking about this the other night and we will see players contracts slowly come in line with this in the next few years.... now, if the sheikh at city wants to make tevez a director in an abu dhabi "company" that pays him an extra £50k a week..then so be it...but not many clubs these days have owners able to do this
Dr Who? Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 "He's a player that I have followed for some time, but I do not want to unsettle Lille now," explained Wenger. "When he is available for transfer, we will see if there is the possibility to sign him." That's Wenger on Eden Hazzard. Now why the fck can't he pay us the same respect? Because he may never get this chance again!
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Why? How is that different to Hazard? If Chamberlain isn't available, he should wait. Unless Saints have said 'yeah you can buy him that's fine'. maybe OxO has asked to speak to arsenal to see what they will offer...maybe hazard has not
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 unless the owners of said clubs are rich enough to pay them the difference outside of football then the clubs will only have 70% of their income allowed to be spent...... im sure some will get round this but in now way will all.......arsenal wont..but they are sensible...man u are in serious debt...chelsea have aready curbed their spending... 5live were talking about this the other night and we will see players contracts slowly come in line with this in the next few years.... now, if the sheikh at city wants to make tevez a director in an abu dhabi "company" that pays him an extra £50k a week..then so be it...but not many clubs these days have owners able to do this I say again, 'Image rights'! They found one way round the wages/tax thing, they will find a way round this new proposal. Can you see the likes of Barcelona, Real, Inter, Man U, Chelsea, complying with that?
Barry the Badger Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 "He's a player that I have followed for some time, but I do not want to unsettle Lille now," explained Wenger. "When he is available for transfer, we will see if there is the possibility to sign him." That's Wenger on Eden Hazzard. Now why the fck can't he pay us the same respect? To be honest that just sounds like tapping up, whilst pretending not to.
dubai_phil Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Nope. It's not Escape to Victory, it's another "on the bus" tale called "The Swiss-ITALIAN JOB." Here's the plot. A bus has crashed leaving the arse-end hanging precariously over a precipice on a winding road in the leafy hills above The Avenue. At the bottom of the drop, is a grinning Arsene Wenger looking skyward with his arms outstretched waiting to catch anything that falls from the bus. On the bus, and standing at the safe end is a very pensive Nicola Cortese who is looking down the bus to the dangerous end where he can see a very relaxed Alex Oxlade-Chamberlaine (and his Dad) apparently unaware that is presence there may cause the bus to crash to the ground below. In the middle of the bus, between Cortese and AOC is a huge pile of gold, I'd estimate there to be between £5M and £10M worth. The way it's filmed makes it unclear if Cortese is waiting for AOC to run towards him so they can both get off the bus leaving the the pile of gold to fall, or if Cortese wants AOC to fall from the bus leaving a huge pile of gold behind. This is a re-make and as I've seen the original starring Theo Walcott, I won't spoil the ending for you. All that is missing is the genial and aged mastermind orchestrating everything from his cell block...
Thedelldays Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I say again, 'Image rights'! They found one way round the wages/tax thing, they will find a way round this new proposal. Can you see the likes of Barcelona, Real, Inter, Man U, Chelsea, complying with that? how do you pay imagine rights that does not come from your income..?
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I'll try again:rolleyes: Martin O'Neill came on the radio after the story broke, and after West Ham gave Grant a vote of confidence, to say that he had never been approached, what part of that do you not understand! I'm not disputing that. What I am contesting is that the media simply made up these stories. What is much more likely is that a source within the west ham camp leaked their intention to appoint MON.
up and away Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 you just know that the minute OxO leaves..be it, now or the summer..the usual mongs will slate cortese for it... I believe when all this finally comes out in the open that we will find Saints could do nothing. From when this has all started some one has leaked the details of Oxo's contract and have been pushing for a move, bearing in mind that nothing can happen without the Chamberlains, it has to go back to them. Bearing in mind how circumspect Wenger has been in the past over transfer dealings, it is a surprise to see him quoted "We will try now. We need an agreement with Southampton. We need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." I believe there are set conditions in Oxo's contract (the £5M + £5M), that if met, Saints have no influence over the move. With the only negotiations required with Saints from Arsenal, being to get better terms than those existing in the contract. For Wenger to make this statement it looks tied up from the Chamberlain end and just a matter of time from ourselves. From the very beginning of this transfer window there has been a very open publicity drive to get Oxo to Arsenal from the player, something that now appears to be going to happen.
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Besides the fact it'll be about 4 or 5m up front, why is it brilliant for us? 10m right now, what will it do? We're only hampered by L1 status and players not being available anyway. The only change will be the loss of a good player, depression amongst fans at seeing yet another great young player leave, and other clubs bumping up their asking prices as they think we have even more money than before. It was reported today in one of the papers to be ten million up front now. I would take the money and buy a cracking winger and striker. AOC is not the difference between promotion and not.
Gingeletiss Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 how do you pay imagine rights that does not come from your income..? I'm saying, that where restrictions are put on clubs, they will seek to find a way round them, just look at Poopey, they farmed out all their youngsters, so as to be able to bring in loans, as they were below the legal squad allocation for L1. They will find ways, sure as night follows day.
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I would take the money and buy a cracking winger and striker. Alternatively... keep Chamberlain as the winger and buy a striker with money you had and were going to spend anyway.
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 how do you pay imagine rights that does not come from your income..? Teams like Man City will just have one of their owner's companies sponsor the club for 'X' millions to bring their income up in line of what they spend.
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 "He's a player that I have followed for some time, but I do not want to unsettle Lille now," explained Wenger. "When he is available for transfer, we will see if there is the possibility to sign him." That's Wenger on Eden Hazzard. Now why the fck can't he pay us the same respect? Difference is Hazard is going to be playing champions league football next season whether he's at Arsenal,Man U or Lille. He's also going to be playing for Belgium wherever he is as well. He's probably on 30K euros a week at Lille.Hazard may desire to play for a big name club but even at Lille he's at the top of some sort of tree already. AOC on the other hand is in the 3rd division, I don't think many of you make enough of what playing in the 3rd division means to a player with ambition.
ottery st mary Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I believe when all this finally comes out in the open that we will find Saints could do nothing. From when this has all started some one has leaked the details of Oxo's contract and have been pushing for a move, bearing in mind that nothing can happen without the Chamberlains, it has to go back to them. Bearing in mind how circumspect Wenger has been in the past over transfer dealings, it is a surprise to see him quoted "We will try now. We need an agreement with Southampton. We need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." I believe there are set conditions in Oxo's contract (the £5M + £5M), that if met, Saints have no influence over the move. With the only negotiations required with Saints from Arsenal, being to get better terms than those existing in the contract. For Wenger to make this statement it looks tied up from the Chamberlain end and just a matter of time from ourselves. From the very beginning of this transfer window there has been a very open publicity drive to get Oxo to Arsenal from the player, something that now appears to be going to happen. Sums it up for me... Looks like he will be on a different bus to our set of wheels..... Unless loaned back..if that is allowed by AW..
John B Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Sums it up for me... Looks like he will be on a different bus to our set of wheels..... Unless loaned back..if that is allowed by AW.. Yes I think he will be away not a bad thing if his transfer fee is spent well unlike when we sold Alan Shearer
ottery st mary Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 (edited) Yes I think he will be away not a bad thing if his transfer fee is spent well unlike when we sold Alan Shearer Agree....Hopefully we don't allow the Arsenal/Spurs (Bale, Walcott) type deals fleece us again.. As proved Shearer went far too cheaply...Not knowing what is in these player contracts/clauses can be what we are not made aware of..You know what I mean , hopefully. Whatever happens we come out of this January transfer period in good condition...So far so good... More points after a good showing against United please. WIFM Edited 24 January, 2011 by ottery st mary
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Alternatively... keep Chamberlain as the winger and buy a striker with money you had and were going to spend anyway. Yes but if Chamberlin wants to leave we should cash in, giving us MORE money than we have previously in order to get even better players than we were planning to.
Alanh Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I'm not disputing that. What I am contesting is that the media simply made up these stories. What is much more likely is that a source within the west ham camp leaked their intention to appoint MON. I think the point here is that all of the media ran with a story that they were convinced was true, however events panned out in such a way as to make them look foolish when it didn't happen. There may be an element of face saving going on now, but the point is the story said one thing while the events were different. It is quite plausible for the same thing to happen with this story and while the press are currently stating that he's going to Arsenal, something may happen - like NC refusing to sell, or NA convincing him that his interests would be best served by staying, or the player deciding that he likes playing competitive matches, or Arsenal refusing to meet our valuation, or any one of a hundred other things - and as a result he doesn't move.
saintbletch Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 All that is missing is the genial and aged mastermind orchestrating everything from his cell block... Ah yes Mr. Bridger. I've checked on IMDB and it says that Noel Coward played that role in the original, Rupert Lowe played that role in the Theo Walcott version but it gives a credit to "Dark forces working behind the scenes to destabilise the club" in the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlaine version. I must say I'm not familiar with his body of work.
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Yes but if Chamberlin wants to leave we should cash in, giving us MORE money than we have previously in order to get even better players than we were planning to. More money doesn't necessarily mean we'll attract better players, we could bid 20 million for a player but he'd probably not want to play at our current level. Money means nothing if the sporting project isn't convincing.We have to find the best players available who are willing to drop to our level or who are at the same level already and see us as a sure way forward for the future. This is extremely difficulty when plenty of EPL clubs are willing to pay 5/6 million and 20K a week for reserve team players who just might get a run out in the League Cup.
Gemmel Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 It will be interesting to see how Nicola gets on with the negociations, although the likelyhood is we won't get to find out all of the details, may be just the headline fee. For his many many faults, I was always confident that lowe got or would get the highest price possible for the players we sold. This is essentially Nicolas first big "Sell" and with North london yobbos as well
MarkSFC Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 The only thing that matters is that our team and our squad keeps improving. If selling one kid - however good he is, or more accurately has the potential to be - the so be it. You can't blame the kid or his family for moving if indeed he does because no one can predict the future and his career could end at anytime, but it would be nice to see an element of loyalt now and again! Mind you Lallana showed it so one out of two would be ok! Although we all love individual players and some become heroes for me I don't really care who plays for us as long as the team is successful! So if he wants to go and NC is happy with the deal do it and move on.
Pancake Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 Agree....Hopefully we don't allow the Arsenal/Spurs (Bale, Walcott) type deals fleece us again.. How did Spurs and Arsenal "fleece" us in the Bale and Walcott deals?
mancsaint Posted 24 January, 2011 Posted 24 January, 2011 I am always amazed how players with a " if offer by a prem club of £451,352.00 is received" then the player is able to go AND strangely a bid of £451,352.00 is received from MU etc. How does this clause get leaked? Mancsaint
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