saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I dont like the 5 million up front plus add on stuff. You want him Arsenal, you pay the price.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I dont like the 5 million up front plus add on stuff. You want him Arsenal, you pay the price. no one is going to pay £10m up front....very few transfers are done all up front
ChrisPY Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Think it'll go down to the wire. Wenger wouldn't have needed to make any comment if it was a going to go through next week. Think we may have rejected an offer and they weren't allowed to talk to him...
jam Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Did you not notice the Daily Mail said he was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday. Despite the fact that he was on a coach to Merseyside with the rest of the squad from Southampton at Friday lunchtime, having trained with Saints at Staplewood on Friday morning. The papers don't have a clue, they make things up to increase circulation! Most journalists are unaware of the financial situation at Saints. Cortese said in December 2010 that Chamberlain and Lallana won't be sold despite what the papers claim. Lallana ended up signing a 4 and half year deal and 23 days into the transfer window Chamberlain is still here. So far, so good for Cortese... Cortese 1 - Fleet Street 0 Just for the record, how do you know he was on the coach and training in the morning?
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 no one is going to pay £10m up front....very few transfers are done all up front I understand that, doesnt mean I like it.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Cortese said Lallana and Chamberlain won't be sold, he would have been aware bids would come in when he made that statement, yet still was confident enough to say it. Chamberlain won't be sold and Lallana signed a 4 and half year deal rather than being sold. The press have shown they don't have a clue by saying things like Chamberlain was at Arsenal on Friday, when he was on a coach to Tranmere.
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Explain the wenger quotes though MLG. That's straight from the horses mouth. It'll happen next week.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Explain the wenger quotes though MLG. That's straight from the horses mouth. It'll happen next week. Explain what about them? Wenger - "We need an agreement with Southampton, we need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." He just says he will try as hard as he can to get the player. He doesn't say he is anywhere near a deal. If Cortese says "No" like he said he would in the BBC interview, then there is nothing Wenger can do until June 2013.
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Explain what about them? Wenger - "We need an agreement with Southampton, we need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." He just says he will try as hard as he can to get the player. He doesn't say he is anywhere near a deal. If Cortese says "No" like he said he would in the BBC interview, then there is nothing Wenger can do until June 2013. ???
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Im failing to see the point in selling then having him back on loan? Might aswell just sell in the summer?
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 http://twitter.com/mattlawexpress That guy doesn't have a clue. He thinks the Daily Mail story supports his, yet the Daily Mail story has fundamental errors in it concerning where CHamberlain was on Friday.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Im failing to see the point in selling then having him back on loan? Might aswell just sell in the summer? are your really failing to see the point..?
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 ??? Well with Cortese saying he isn't for sale, I can't see Wenger doing that.
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Anyone who thinks Chambo will be here next season isn't living in reality. We may have money, but we're in L1. If Arsenal - a premiership title contending and champions league team - want one of our players, they get them. It's a simple as that, as Adkins would say. We have no real power to stop them until we're back competing in the prem.
beatlesaint Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 So they have NO agreement with Southampton. That could be a bit of a sticking point then !!!! £10 million, none of this £5 mil up front ********, and a loan back for this season. If you want him Arsene then stump up and dance to Cortese's tune.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Anyone who thinks Chambo will be here next season isn't living in reality. We may have money, but we're in L1. If Arsenal - a premiership title contending and champions league team - want one of our players, they get them. It's a simple as that, as Adkins would say. We have no real power to stop them until we're back competing in the prem. We have plenty of power. He is contracted with Saints until June 2013. Without Saints agreement he isn't going anywhere. Cortese said he isn't going anywhere. There is a very good chance Saints will be promoted this season, and Chamberlain could feasibly be a Premier League player with Saints at the age of 19.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 So they have NO agreement with Southampton. That could be a bit of a sticking point then !!!! £10 million, none of this £5 mil up front ********, and a loan back for this season. If you want him Arsene then stump up and dance to Cortese's tune. sorry but you are also living in cloud cukoo land.. we are not in a position of strength no matter what you think.. very very few deals are done with all money up front...especially not for a 17 year old league 1 hot prospect
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 are your really failing to see the point..? Yes. So we sell him in the window. The deal is maybe done by Wednsday-Thursday. That leaves us 4 days to get a replacement in. Sure 5 million sat in the bank is nice but what differne does it make if we have 5 million now or in July?
beatlesaint Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 sorry but you are also living in cloud cukoo land.. we are not in a position of strength no matter what you think.. very very few deals are done with all money up front...especially not for a 17 year old league 1 hot prospect We have the player contracted until June 2013 We do not need the money therefore we are not desperate as we have been in the past. I dispute your view, I think we do have an element of power.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 sorry but you are also living in cloud cukoo land.. we are not in a position of strength no matter what you think.. very very few deals are done with all money up front...especially not for a 17 year old league 1 hot prospect So the fact he is under contract until June 2013 and Cortese said he won't be sold isn't a position of strength?
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Yes. So we sell him in the window. The deal is maybe done by Wednsday-Thursday. That leaves us 4 days to get a replacement in. Sure 5 million sat in the bank is nice but what differne does it make if we have 5 million now or in July? sell him now and loan back means that team has secured his services long term and loan him back to continue his development.. come on....ffs OxO would get a large pay rise I should imagine and still do his bit to help us out of league 1
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 So the fact he is under contract until June 2013 and Cortese said he won't be sold isn't a position of strength? care to enlighten us to his contract clauses..? league 1 club v arsenal ffs, why do you have to be so black/white all the time
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 sell him now and loan back means that team has secured his services long term and loan him back to continue his development.. come on....ffs OxO would get a large pay rise I should imagine and still do his bit to help us out of league 1 I understand that. It just doesnt sit right with me. FFS.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 care to enlighten us to his contract clauses..? league 1 club v arsenal ffs, why do you have to be so black/white all the time For Cortese to say he won't be sold, it clearly shows that he knows there are no clauses in his contract which mean he can be sold.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 And which contract clauses are you suggesting he has? Because for Cortese to say he won't be sold, it clearly shows that he knows there are no clauses in his contract which mean he can be sold. what if the club agreed with chambo that should a high offer from a top 4 team, they would not stand in his way.. all players have their price ffs
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 what if the club agreed with chambo that should a high offer from a top 4 team, they would not stand in his way.. all players have their price ffs I'll say it again..for Cortese to say he won't be sold, it clearly shows that he knows there are no clauses in his contract which mean he can be sold. In a mere 18 months time Chamberlain could be a Premier League player on a very large wage...with Saints.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I'll say it again..for Cortese to say he won't be sold, it clearly shows that he knows there are no clauses in his contract which mean he can be sold. In a mere 18 months time Chamberlain could be a Premier League player on a very large wage...with Saints. so, you 100% certain he will be contracted to saints come feb 1st...?
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 so, you 100% certain he will be contracted to saints come feb 1st...? The main reason I believe he will is because Cortese said he would. Cortese so far has done nothing in the last 18 months at Saints which makes me doubt his word. However, if Chamberlain is sold I will find it hard to trust Cortese in the future. For the first time in Saints 125 year history it seems we have people in charge with both the ambition and the resources to back those ambitions.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 The main reason I believe he will is because Cortese said he would. Cortese so far has done nothing in the last 18 months at Saints which make me doubt him. However, if Chamberlain is sold I will find it hard to trust Cortese's word in the future. what if OxO has asked to go...? ALL players are not for sale till the right price comes along
shirleysfc Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Wenger's a c*ck. He throws his toys out of the pram when Barca publicly court Fabregas but it's exactlly what he does when he's after a player. It ****es me off when all clubs do it, our new approach to signing players has been a revelation.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 what if OxO has asked to go...? Cortese wouldn't have said those things 3 weeks before the window opened unless he knew the view of Alex and his father. Cortese would have been fully aware in December there was a very good chance a very large team would place a bid. Cortese would be foolish to say he won't be sold without knowing beforehand through discussions with the Chamberlains that Alex would stay even if someone like Arsenal came in for him in January. In any case £5m with £5m at a later date is not a good deal for someone that has over 15 years as a top player left and plays for a team which is funded by the estate of a billionaire. If Saints are spending money whether or not they sell players, why sell their best players who still are under contract for the next 2 and a half years?
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 you seem so sure what cortese thinks...... how do you know that in the last few days, OxO family have not or have decided that a move now would be beneficial..? you need to open your mind to other possibilities mate and not be so stiff down the line....football tends to to follow the rules and normal thinking
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 MLG, I hope your right. I really do. To think Cortese is the man who says enough is enough we wont be bullied into selling would be fantastic. However, I dont think this will be the case.
paris Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Watching Arsenal play on Saturday for me the reality is we are unable to match their footballing potential right now in the future maybe who knows . I'd fully understand if he goes to Arsenal.... I'd love him to stay of course don't get me wrong ....
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Seeing as Wenger has no eye for a goalie, maybe we can get them to pay £8m for Oxo and Forecast?
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Very different situation to Walcott in length of contract, how recently Ox-C got into the side, his stated happiness here, club winning more than losing, chance to win something this year, not needing the money etc
Weston Saint Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Oxlade-Chamberlain has been targeted by Manchester City, Newcastle and Liverpool but the England under-18 starlet has decided to join Arsenal. "I think, if that is right, that is a very good decision," said Wenger. "We will try now. "We need an agreement with Southampton, we need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." Now let's look at tht quote. What moves Wenger to say I think IF THAT IS RIGHT it is a very good decision. Did the reporter say "my sources are that Chamberlain would prefer Arsenal over other Premier sides" and that prompted Wengers comment. Don't take papers at face value.
buctootim Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 (edited) Cortese wouldn't have said those things 3 weeks before the window opened unless he knew the view of Alex and his father. Cortese would have been fully aware in December there was a very good chance a very large team would place a bid. Cortese would be foolish to say he won't be sold without knowing beforehand through discussions with the Chamberlains that Alex would stay even if someone like Arsenal came in for him in January. Im sure Cortese did have those discussions with AOC and his dad in December and they assured him AOC had no intention of moving anytime soon - hence the denial that he would be sold. Seems to me though that the top clubs have waged a concerted campaign through the media, and no doubt behind the scenes, to unsettle him - and its worked. My gut feeling is that AOC has just decided to go to Arsenal and that the club are now moving to spend some of that money on Austin and probably at least one other (to replace Holmes / Puncheon). Wouldnt surprise me if they were all announced together. Edited 23 January, 2011 by buctootim
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Oxlade-Chamberlain has been targeted by Manchester City, Newcastle and Liverpool but the England under-18 starlet has decided to join Arsenal. "I think, if that is right, that is a very good decision," said Wenger. "We will try now. "We need an agreement with Southampton, we need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." Now let's look at tht quote. What moves Wenger to say I think IF THAT IS RIGHT it is a very good decision. Did the reporter say "my sources are that Chamberlain would prefer Arsenal over other Premier sides" and that prompted Wengers comment. Don't take papers at face value. yes journo told him what he heard and its his response
Red and White Army Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Matthew Le God still swimming in the river of denial I see. It takes a special kind of person to continually deny something in the face of mounting evidence. It also takes a special kind of person to be unable to read the very clear between the lines messages Adkins has come out with. MLG is a very special kind of person! Real life doesn't work the same way as Championship Manager. We are not the first club to have been unable to hang on to our talent. Sunderland (much bigger than us) couldn't even hang on to Bent (and Villa are smaller than Arsenal). MLG, want a 50 quid bet that says Alex will have signed for Arsenal by the end of this transfer window? Settled by Paypal. If you're really so sure of yourself (and we've read through dozens of your posts saying exactly the same thing) you should be delighted at the chance to supplement your income.
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 wouldn't be surprised either way. A lot of good reasons why no deal will be done before the summer
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 (edited) Matthew Le God still swimming in the river of denial I see. It takes a special kind of person to continually deny something in the face of mounting evidence. It also takes a special kind of person to be unable to read the very clear between the lines messages Adkins has come out with. MLG is a very special kind of person! Real life doesn't work the same way as Championship Manager. We are not the first club to have been unable to hang on to our talent. Sunderland (much bigger than us) couldn't even hang on to Bent (and Villa are smaller than Arsenal). MLG, want a 50 quid bet that says Alex will have signed for Arsenal by the end of this transfer window? Settled by Paypal. If you're really so sure of yourself (and we've read through dozens of your posts saying exactly the same thing) you should be delighted at the chance to supplement your income. Well you clearly didn't read post #586 and that is the reason I won't take you up on your bet. We have had no reason so far to doubt Cortese's word, and he has said Chamberlain and Lallana won't be sold in January. If he is sold then we maybe can start to doubt him. However we still have 8 days left to test that and at the moment with Lallana given a new 4 and a half year deal and CHamberlain still here 23 days into the window things look promising... You also say "in the face of mounting evidence", however some of this evidence can and has been easily shown to be ********. i.e. that Chamberlain was at Arsenal's training ground on Friday - when he wasn't and he was actually with the Saints squad on the way to the Tranmere game. So please cut out the petty insults about me and a football management game I happen to research for. It is completely irrelvant and it is pathetic to even bring that up in a debate like this. At least I'm not the one that seems to go by the philosophy that if Fleet Street say enough **** some of it is true. Edited 23 January, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 so, you 100% certain he will be contracted to saints come feb 1st...? To be fair to MLG, it's a bit hypocritical to accuse him of seeing everything in black and white and then ask him for a black and white answer. Is it not enough for him to be confident of Chamberlain staying without that being a 100% certainty?
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Just out of interest, what is the difference (if any) between the attitude of fans/players who say that we are going to lose some games in a season so losing to Tranmere was not such a great disaster and the attitude on here which says that because a Premier League manager mentions an interest, the result is equally unavoidable? Even when the player has said nothing. It seems it's ok to be fatalistic/realistic on this thread but it's a crime to adopt the same view on the post-match thread.
cellone Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 To me selling to and then continuing to develop a player FOR another team is business not football. It might be good for his development but he will go from saints prodagee to loanee doing a stint at a lesser club. Takes the glory out of it for me.
B Rabbit Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 To me selling to and then continuing to develop a player FOR another team is business not football. It might be good for his development but he will go from saints prodagee to loanee doing a stint at a lesser club. Takes the glory out of it for me. Prodagee...lolololololololol
aintforever Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 It is inevitable he will leave to a big club if they want him. It is completely up to Saints WHEN he leaves though. We could get just as much, if not more, in the summer so I don't see why we would sell him now when promotion is such a vital target.
Red and White Army Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 So please cut out the petty insults about me and a football management game I happen to research for. It is completely irrelvant and it is pathetic to even bring that up in a debate like this. At least I'm not the one that seems to go by the philosophy that if Fleet Street say enough **** some of it is true. It was obvious that AOC was off straight after the first interview from Adkins, where he failed to state that Alex was going to be staying. So what if Cortese stated he wouldn't be sold in December? Cortese has no effective power to keep any want away player at the club. To do so would be completely counter-productive. The player would get narky, his performances would drop and his negativity would infect the other players. This is why Man Utd couldn't keep hold of Ronaldo, why Sunderland couldn't keep Bent and why dozens and dozens of clubs are forced to sell players their managers would prefer to retain. Why is any of this a surprise to you?
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 (edited) It was obvious that AOC was off straight after the first interview from Adkins, where he failed to state that Alex was going to be staying. So what if Cortese stated he wouldn't be sold in December? Cortese has no effective power to keep any want away player at the club. To do so would be completely counter-productive. The player would get narky, his performances would drop and his negativity would infect the other players. This is why Man Utd couldn't keep hold of Ronaldo, why Sunderland couldn't keep Bent and why dozens and dozens of clubs are forced to sell players their managers would prefer to retain. Why is any of this a surprise to you? I've answered all of this already. You said you read my posts, it seems you haven't. When Cortese made that statement 3 weeks before start of transfer window and 4 months after Alex signed a deal until 2013 with Saints, Cortese would have been fully aware of Chamberlain's intentions for at the very least the short term. btw I've seen you mention a few times that Adkins refused to say Chamberlain is staying. You clearly haven't watched the full interviews on Saints Player as he does exactly that. You have just read the edited down versions. Edited 23 January, 2011 by Matthew Le God
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