Give it to Ron Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 FootballAgent46 Football Agent #TransferWindowTip. Alex Chamberlain going from Saints to Arsenal with a loan back. Suits all I would imagine. http://twitter.com/mattlawexpress Seems a done deal then.
Saint_clark Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 FootballAgent46 Football Agent #TransferWindowTip. Alex Chamberlain going from Saints to Arsenal with a loan back. Suits all I would imagine. http://twitter.com/mattlawexpress Seems a done deal then. "Ain't nothing over till it's over".
simonsaints1 Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Dont like the prospect of becoming some kind of feeder club for arsenal. Develop your own players you feckers!
beatlesaint Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 It's getting a bit silly if the big clubs can just sign all the young players for huge fees. They don't need academies themselves. Players shouldn't be allowed to move under 18 or 21. Wish arsenal would fck off. Quite agree. Whats the point of promoting academies to bring through your own players if the big boys can just cherry pick the decent stuff coming through. A player bought through any academy from the age of 12 or 13 should not be allowed to move until they are 19 or 20. In the long term it would be better for the player too. Dont care what anyone says, Walcott left far too early and would be a better player than he is today if he had had another season of regular first team football behind him.
Saint_clark Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Quite agree. Whats the point of promoting academies to bring through your own players if the big boys can just cherry pick the decent stuff coming through. A player bought through any academy from the age of 12 or 13 should not be allowed to move until they are 19 or 20. In the long term it would be better for the player too. Dont care what anyone says, Walcott left far too early and would be a better player than he is today if he had had another season of regular first team football behind him. And he could have made all the difference in our play-off season as well...
derry Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 So Adkins and Cortese are lying and The Express, Mirror and Sky are the font of all knowledge. Journalists desperate to fill space so fact never an issue. It's run out of steam in the papers at the moment even the Echo is sidelining it. Twitter just about sums it up.
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Quite agree. Whats the point of promoting academies to bring through your own players if the big boys can just cherry pick the decent stuff coming through. A player bought through any academy from the age of 12 or 13 should not be allowed to move until they are 19 or 20. In the long term it would be better for the player too. Dont care what anyone says, Walcott left far too early and would be a better player than he is today if he had had another season of regular first team football behind him. I completely disagree, the problem with this is it WILL stifle youth development at the same time as helping others. For example, i appreciate some youth players that move to big clubs would not get chances and will not develop as well etc etc However, smaller clubs have smaller acadamies etc and so would not get the same level of training IMO. There should be a compulsary sell on fee of 50% or so for ALL young players moving under the age of 21 to ensure that the smaller clubs get a cut of the profits
OldNick Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Quite agree. Whats the point of promoting academies to bring through your own players if the big boys can just cherry pick the decent stuff coming through. A player bought through any academy from the age of 12 or 13 should not be allowed to move until they are 19 or 20. In the long term it would be better for the player too. Dont care what anyone says, Walcott left far too early and would be a better player than he is today if he had had another season of regular first team football behind him.those who live in glass houses and all that...... Channon Walcot were taken from Swindon, Blackstock, mark Wright, Oxford and Im sure many other as young players were taken away from then Div 3 clubs. We are down the food chain and so we have to get on with it. Until we are top 10 of the PL this will continue to happen and even then we will lose our very top young players to bigger clubs and CL teams. Ox's father and agent will decide what they want to do. If they have decided Arsenal is best for his development then he will go there whatever the club want. it is best that we(club) understand that and still get a decent price. Listening to NA either the club or Ox's representatives want a bidding war only what they think is best for his development. We have to take it on the chin and hope the money is reinvested into the team to get us back up the leagues.
derry Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Tevez seems to be performing OK at Man City. Rooney at MU.
OldNick Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Quite agree. Whats the point of promoting academies to bring through your own players if the big boys can just cherry pick the decent stuff coming through. A player bought through any academy from the age of 12 or 13 should not be allowed to move until they are 19 or 20. In the long term it would be better for the player too. Dont care what anyone says, Walcott left far too early and would be a better player than he is today if he had had another season of regular first team football behind him. to a degree I am with you on that, but he has played top international / CL football. He has also become very wealthy. Whether staying with us would have improved him it is hard to say. Wenger obviously thought not
dune Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 So Adkins and Cortese are lying and The Express, Mirror and Sky are the font of all knowledge. I always find The Express to be spot on when it comes to poltics and immigration issues.
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 It is obviously not a done deal as he wouldn't be in our starting 11 today would he!!!?
dronskisaint Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 I always find The Express to be spot on when it comes to poltics and immigration issues. Spot on meaning innacurate and biased to suit an agenda as per your definition I imagine
simonsaints1 Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 These things are never done to suit us-always the player and the buying vulture club!
buctootim Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Says AOC's younger bro is good too. Have we got him at Saints also?
NickG Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 , Adkins insisted he was not aware of any such deal being struck. He said: “It’s news to me. “It’s speculation – does that effect how we performed today because there has been intense speculation? “There is transfer rumour mongering that goes on. “Alex Chamberlain has played for us today, it’s as simple as that.”
NickG Posted 22 January, 2011 Posted 22 January, 2011 Matt Lawson the journo who tweeted this has now said can't say any more yet cause of monday embargoes, sorry. Will update late sunday night
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 This is why we should ignore any newspaper reports... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349674/Boy-wonder-Alex-Chamberlain-sign-Arsenal-Arsene-Wenger-wins-10m-chase-teenager.html Article says Chamberlain was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday. Yet the idiot reporter fails to realise Chamberlain was on a coach to Merseyside on Friday to get ready for the Tranmere game.
Johnny Bognor Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 (edited) This is why we should ignore any newspaper reports... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349674/Boy-wonder-Alex-Chamberlain-sign-Arsenal-Arsene-Wenger-wins-10m-chase-teenager.html Article says Chamberlain was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday. Yet the idiot reporter fails to realise Chamberlain was on a coach to Merseyside on Friday to get ready for the Tranmere game. So what you are saying is that "he was on the bus" or are you saying "he was on a bus"? The difference between "a" and "the" is crucial. Edited 23 January, 2011 by Johnny Bognor
trousers Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 This is why we should ignore any newspaper reports... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349674/Boy-wonder-Alex-Chamberlain-sign-Arsenal-Arsene-Wenger-wins-10m-chase-teenager.html Article says Chamberlain was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday. Yet the idiot reporter fails to realise Chamberlain was on a coach to Merseyside on Friday to get ready for the Tranmere game. What time of day on Friday did the team bus leave Southampton?
astrasri Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 This is why we should ignore any newspaper reports... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1349674/Boy-wonder-Alex-Chamberlain-sign-Arsenal-Arsene-Wenger-wins-10m-chase-teenager.html Article says Chamberlain was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday. Yet the idiot reporter fails to realise Chamberlain was on a coach to Merseyside on Friday to get ready for the Tranmere game. That's the obvious reason why we played so s88t yesterday. The Team coach stopped at the Arsenal training ground on the way up and everyone had to sit around waiting for AOC to have his meeting, they were all hacked off at having to wait around so long for him!
Red and White Army Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 , Adkins insisted he was not aware of any such deal being struck. He said: “It’s news to me. “It’s speculation – does that effect how we performed today because there has been intense speculation? “There is transfer rumour mongering that goes on. “Alex Chamberlain has played for us today, it’s as simple as that.” Notice he didn't say "Alex is not being sold to Arsenal". Not a difficult phrase to come out with, and he walked all around the subject without actually denying it is going on.
InvictaSaint Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Ahhhh, the Daily Fail - you gotta love 'em. I think the journo covers pretty much every eventuality in that article; after definitively stating that Wenger "WILL end the race" for Oxo, we learn that the deal could be disrupted by a late Man City bid and that Oxo may even be loaned back to us for the season. Priceless.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 lets just face it...he's off...either now or in the summer just enjoy watching the lad play
jam Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Notice he didn't say "Alex is not being sold to Arsenal". Not a difficult phrase to come out with, and he walked all around the subject without actually denying it is going on. Because if he did so an Arse come in with an offer today that we can't turn down then he'll look like a liar or a fool.
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 lets just face it...he's off...either now or in the summer just enjoy watching the lad play agreed. it's the way to look at it tbh, just enjoy him whilst we can. Don't get hung up and depressed by the fact that he may go. We'd struggle to keep hold of him in the championship - We have no chance in L1 unfortunately.
saintjay77 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I think 1 thing we have in our favour is that none of the transfers we have been involved in so far have been done in the public eye. In fact, any supposed transfers that have been leaked have swiftly fallen through or not happened. The more the press talk about a transfer that is happening with us the less likely it will happen. IMO. If clubs and players want to deal with us they need to keep there mouths shut and do business in a business like manner. Try and hold us to ransom in the press and they get nothing. That's how it seems to have been so far anyway. I don't see Cortese changing the way he dies things too soon either.
saintjay77 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 SSN just had a bit about Ox. Said sources say newspaper reports are wide of the mark. Ox's advisers say they see Arsenal as the best place for Ox as they will nurture his talent. Nothing new other than SSN are either trying to sound like they are speaking to someone who has a real effect on Ox's future, or they really are and it's a matter if time before he is gone. If he does go I think the idea of building a team that will one day challenge for top honours will be out of the window and there will be a real shift throughout the club. Although I still stand by my previous post in that the more public it is the more Cortese will steer clear.
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 losing Ox-C will say nothing about saints. He would be on the move if he played for Everton, Bolton, Newcastle etc etc
saintjay77 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 losing Ox-C will say nothing about saints. He would be on the move if he played for Everton, Bolton, Newcastle etc etc I'm not so sure. It seems Cortese wants the club to be more than every other club in the league. The talk of Barcelona type model and building the club from the youth up suggests we are not aiming to be just like every other club outside the top 4 prem teams. Selling our youth because big clubs come knocking suggests we are just like every other club outside the top 4 prem teams and those on the bus may change their views on where the bus is due to stop. If we are going to be a club that breaks into the top levels then we need to have a bit of steel about us and follow through on the ideas that are being suggested IMO.
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I'm not so sure. It seems Cortese wants the club to be more than every other club in the league. The talk of Barcelona type model and building the club from the youth up suggests we are not aiming to be just like every other club outside the top 4 prem teams. Selling our youth because big clubs come knocking suggests we are just like every other club outside the top 4 prem teams and those on the bus may change their views on where the bus is due to stop. If we are going to be a club that breaks into the top levels then we need to have a bit of steel about us and follow through on the ideas that are being suggested IMO. I think if we were in the premiership, or at least top 2 in the championship, we would have a little bit more ability to keep players like Chambo. But the fact is that whilst we're at this level then these good young players will not stay. It doesn't matter how much steel we have (I'm sure Cortese has tried his hardest to convince chambo to stay) L1 clubs haven't got a chance of keeping top top young talents. That's something which needs to change in the game IMO. - an age restriction on being transferred.
NickG Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I'm not so sure. It seems Cortese wants the club to be more than every other club in the league. The talk of Barcelona type model and building the club from the youth up suggests we are not aiming to be just like every other club outside the top 4 prem teams. Selling our youth because big clubs come knocking suggests we are just like every other club outside the top 4 prem teams and those on the bus may change their views on where the bus is due to stop. If we are going to be a club that breaks into the top levels then we need to have a bit of steel about us and follow through on the ideas that are being suggested IMO. think those on the bus realise we are not in the top four and that players will try to play for a top four club if they can
saintjay77 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 think those on the bus realise we are not in the top four and that players will try to play for a top four club if they can Maybe your right. But if they have been convinced that the team is pushing for back to back promotions and they will be a part of the next Barcelona then selling the best players may test their conviction. If I were a player and I genuinely believed I was going to be part of something really great within a time frame that fitted well within my professional career, then I would be hard pushed to scrap it and change tact for any club. If I didn't fully believe however I would be off for a better offer as soon as it came along. Lallana looks to believe and be fully on the bus. That's a statement to the other players and fans which suggests we are building for some really good times. If chambo follows suit then the mood in the club will be much more positive. Now if 1 of our best players jumps ship, along with puncheon not buying into the direction we are trying to head. What mood will the other players have? If there is an offer for any of them, how many will think they want to get off the bus? I just think the impact could have much more of an effect than losing one player.
verlaine1979 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Maybe your right. But if they have been convinced that the team is pushing for back to back promotions and they will be a part of the next Barcelona then selling the best players may test their conviction. If I were a player and I genuinely believed I was going to be part of something really great within a time frame that fitted well within my professional career, then I would be hard pushed to scrap it and change tact for any club. So, hypothetically, you'd rather stick with a club with ambitions to become the next Barcelona, than actually join Barcelona? I wouldn't dream of knocking our ambitions, but I think we've got a long road before we become the next Bolton, let alone the next Barcelona - certainly that goal is a long way advanced beyond the careers of anyone currently in the first team, and more than likely anyone in the youth squad either (barring a sudden change in policy from the owners that sees us drop several hundred million on players in season or two). Any Saints player already 'convinced' that they are playing for the next Barcelona is, unfortunately, unlikely to be in full command of their faculties, surely?
saintjay77 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 So, hypothetically, you'd rather stick with a club with ambitions to become the next Barcelona, than actually join Barcelona? I wouldn't dream of knocking our ambitions, but I think we've got a long road before we become the next Bolton, let alone the next Barcelona - certainly that goal is a long way advanced beyond the careers of anyone currently in the first team, and more than likely anyone in the youth squad either (barring a sudden change in policy from the owners that sees us drop several hundred million on players in season or two). Any Saints player already 'convinced' that they are playing for the next Barcelona is, unfortunately, unlikely to be in full command of their faculties, surely? I see where your coming from and I'm not trying to suggest that we are some amazing club already. But imagine Cortese as a salesman. If he is talking of us as the next Barcelona he won't be talking like we maybe the next Barcelona in the next 10 years or so. He will be trying to get the while club thinking along the lines of being a world class outfit now. Success needs to follow for it to be of any real worth but the projection from the club to the outside world needs to be top notch from the beginning. IMO statements of the clubs intent needs to start as they mean to go on. We want to build the club with it's home grown talent and do business when we want to. Selling that home grown talent when the 1st big club comes knocking just damages the ethos that the club is trying to portray.
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I think if we were in the premiership, or at least top 2 in the championship, we would have a little bit more ability to keep players like Chambo. But the fact is that whilst we're at this level then these good young players will not stay. It doesn't matter how much steel we have (I'm sure Cortese has tried his hardest to convince chambo to stay) L1 clubs haven't got a chance of keeping top top young talents. That's something which needs to change in the game IMO. - an age restriction on being transferred. Totally agree. However I guess deals would just be set up fr players to leave as soon as they turn the required age. Maybe if a player is brought through the youth ranks, they cant be transfered for maybe 4 seasons. Cant see this happening, and more I think about it, its probably not even legal. Hmmm back to the drawing board.
verlaine1979 Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I see where your coming from and I'm not trying to suggest that we are some amazing club already. But imagine Cortese as a salesman. If he is talking of us as the next Barcelona he won't be talking like we maybe the next Barcelona in the next 10 years or so. He will be trying to get the while club thinking along the lines of being a world class outfit now. Success needs to follow for it to be of any real worth but the projection from the club to the outside world needs to be top notch from the beginning. IMO statements of the clubs intent needs to start as they mean to go on. We want to build the club with it's home grown talent and do business when we want to. Selling that home grown talent when the 1st big club comes knocking just damages the ethos that the club is trying to portray. Sure, but a club whose home-grown talent is visibly unsettled (even possibly going on strike in protest) at being refused a transfer to a club that is already arguably world class, would also portray us in a less than positive light.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Sure, but a club whose home-grown talent is visibly unsettled (even possibly going on strike in protest) at being refused a transfer to a club that is already arguably world class, would also portray us in a less than positive light. If he wanted to move he shouldn't have signed a 3 year contract in August 2010 with Saints.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 If he wanted to move he shouldn't have signed a 3 year contract in August 2010 with Saints. sorry, but that is crap.....his profile was nothing compared to now back then...... he signed to give himself a pay rise and some secure income......lets be real here..if he wants to move, he will I doubt he will be a saint next season
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 sorry, but that is crap.....his profile was nothing compared to now back then...... he signed to give himself a pay rise and some secure income......lets be real here..if he wants to move, he will n All the big clubs have been fully aware of him for the last 10 years. He has been playing against their various academy sides for many years having been with Saints since the age of 7! He is under contract until 2013 and Saints are under no obligation to sell. Cortese has already stated he won't be sold. He may well be a Premier League player with Saints at the age of 19. If Saints don't go up this season, then he will go, but if Saints are a Championship club next season and look like having a good chance of going up again I see little reason why he won't stay.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 All the big clubs have been fully aware of him for the last 10 years. He has been playing against their various academy sides for many years having been with Saints since the age of 7! He is under contract until 2013 and Saints are under no obligation to sell. Cortese has already stated he won't be sold. He may well be a Premier League player with Saints at the age of 19. If Saints don't go up this season, then he will go, but if Saints are a Championship club next season and look like having a good chance of going up again I see little reason why he won't stay. yes...be aware and then showing yourself off in real games is completely different... the fact he is playing very well in a very good team pushing for the top of the league has raised his profile so much more than being great at an academy
saint_bert Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 All the big clubs have been fully aware of him for the last 10 years. He has been playing against their various academy sides for many years having been with Saints since the age of 7! He is under contract until 2013 and Saints are under no obligation to sell. Cortese has already stated he won't be sold. He may well be a Premier League player with Saints at the age of 19. If Saints don't go up this season, then he will go, but if Saints are a Championship club next season and look like having a good chance of going up again I see little reason why he won't stay. Do you honestly think he will stay? I cant see 2 national rags leading with it as their sunday back page if there was not some degree of ITK. I appreciate that the papers make stuff up etc, but I cant see it being the case here, which is a shame.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 (edited) Do you honestly think he will stay? I cant see 2 national rags leading with it as their sunday back page if there was not some degree of ITK. I appreciate that the papers make stuff up etc, but I cant see it being the case here, which is a shame. Did you not notice the Daily Mail said he was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday. Despite the fact that he was on a coach to Merseyside with the rest of the squad from Southampton at Friday lunchtime, having trained with Saints at Staplewood on Friday morning. The papers don't have a clue, they make things up to increase circulation! Most journalists are unaware of the financial situation at Saints. Cortese said in December 2010 that Chamberlain and Lallana won't be sold despite what the papers claim. Lallana ended up signing a 4 and half year deal and 23 days into the transfer window Chamberlain is still here. So far, so good for Cortese... Cortese 1 - Fleet Street 0 Edited 23 January, 2011 by Matthew Le God
LostBoys Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 I see the report he was at the Arsenal training ground on Friday has now been rubbished - he was literally on the bus - to Tranmere. I am still concerned about the lure of a huge signing on fee and financial security at 17.
georgeweahscousin Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Wenger has now confirmed interest. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-transfer-news-Arsene-Wenger-closing-in-on-Southampton-starlet-Alex-Oxlade-Chamberlain-article680395.html
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 It's pretty much a done deal then. Just needs to be rubber stamped. At least we get him until the end of the season! and we get a nice pot of cash to play with.
Thedelldays Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 wenger quotes in that one its happening by the looks of it.....ah well, hope he gives us a big send off
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2011 Posted 23 January, 2011 Wenger - "We need an agreement with Southampton, we need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player."
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