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Its strange how so many people still want the club to put out a statement every 5 mins about every rumour that hits the papers.

 

Before the window it was said there will be rumours about our pllayers because they are doing well. It was also said how we are building a team that wants to not only get promoted but also to aim for top 6 Championship next season. The ethos at the club has changed, the way we do business has changed, the direction we are moving has changed. It seems that the whole club can see things are improving and there is a long way to go. Want away Puncheon is back and looking like he is going no-where so I cant see there being any negative changes for a while. If we were still not improving and looking like a mid table team we wouldnt see AOC in the dust of the mas exodus.

 

But we are a team going somewhere and as long as we are getting there quick I cant see any reason for us to bow down to prem rumours every 5 mins.

 

As long as the players buy into what the club are trying to do then I cant see it changing.

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The newspapers just can't comprehend that a League One club might be able to keep hold of a player, that a player might want to stay here despite all the media pressure, they're used to creating their own transfer stories by getting players to move through media pressure.

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The press don't make players move, that is ridiculous. Cortese, Adkins or AOC could instantly quash these January rumours by saying "AOC is not moving/I am not moving". The fact that none of them have made a categorical statement is very telling.

No it's not. NC has, on numerous occasions, said that he does not respond to media tittle tattle.

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Mr Claridge asesses the Chamberlain situation in his video blog today:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/steveclaridge/2011/01/claridge_kicks_off_10.html

 

"Absolutely no way should that lad be moving"

 

"He's not Theo Walcott. Theo was way ahead of him at that age. And we've seen how long it's taken Theo to settle at Arsenal"

 

"He's at a very, very good club that will probably get promoted"

 

Nothing earth shattering there then

 

Claridge is absolutely spot on in everything he's said there - still a 'orrible skate **** though!

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Its strange how so many people still want the club to put out a statement every 5 mins about every rumour that hits the papers.

 

Can't see anywhere that anyone has suggested that?

 

All I've seen is the observation that there has been no categorical statement from Chamberlain's 'camp' that he is staying at Saints.

 

Granted. the club (Cortese) made a categorical statement in December that he wasn't going anywhere but some people are taking that with a pinch of salt, the media in particular.

 

People have simply made this observation in reaction to people suggesting that all the speculation may be unsettling to Chamberlain and/or the club.

 

A one-off, one line statement from Chamerlain's representative (his dad) at the beginning of January would have nipped all the speculation in the bud.

 

So, no, no-one is asking for the club to "deny all rumours every five minutes".

 

For whatever reason, Chamberlain's people (in conjunction with the club perhaps) have chosen to let the speculation continue. As I've suggested before, I suspect there could be an element of the club and/or Chamberlain's people wanting the speculation to continue as it's a win-win for both Saints and the player if/when we keep hold of him -> kudos for Cortese/Saints and Chamberlain improves his future earning potential one way or the other.

 

That is all.

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im saying that no player in division 3 will leave and walk into the first 11 of the clubs linked with OxO...not a chance in hell

 

you said "by the end of the season" which is slightly different from "walking into the first 11 immediately". Its hard to know how a player will fair when promoted a divison never mind two, but Liverpool are so weak on the right wing I honestly think KK would have no qualms about chucking him into the deep end after only a few sub appearances. I certainly wouldn't say that of the other sides linked to him.

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Can't see anywhere that anyone has suggested that?

 

All I've seen is the observation that there has been no categorical statement from Chamberlain's 'camp' that he is staying at Saints.

 

Granted. the club (Cortese) made a categorical statement in December that he wasn't going anywhere but some people are taking that with a pinch of salt, the media in particular.

 

People have simply made this observation in reaction to people suggesting that all the speculation may be unsettling to Chamberlain and/or the club.

 

A one-off, one line statement from Chamerlain's representative (his dad) at the beginning of January would have nipped all the speculation in the bud.

 

So, no, no-one is asking for the club to "deny all rumours every five minutes".

 

For whatever reason, Chamberlain's people (in conjunction with the club perhaps) have chosen to let the speculation continue. As I've suggested before, I suspect there could be an element of the club and/or Chamberlain's people wanting the speculation to continue as it's a win-win for both Saints and the player if/when we keep hold of him -> kudos for Cortese/Saints and Chamberlain improves his future earning potential one way or the other.

 

That is all.

 

So if they release a statement saying he is not going anywhere..on the last day of the window Arsenal/Man City/Chelsea have a change of heart and bid £10M and he decides to leave what would you say then?

Footballers careers are short...this gives him and his family financial security for life, why would he turn that down??

Loyalty is for fans not footballers.

Would you not be upset they lied to you??

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Can't see anywhere that anyone has suggested that?

 

All I've seen is the observation that there has been no categorical statement from Chamberlain's 'camp' that he is staying at Saints.

 

Granted. the club (Cortese) made a categorical statement in December that he wasn't going anywhere but some people are taking that with a pinch of salt, the media in particular.

 

People have simply made this observation in reaction to people suggesting that all the speculation may be unsettling to Chamberlain and/or the club.

 

A one-off, one line statement from Chamerlain's representative (his dad) at the beginning of January would have nipped all the speculation in the bud.

 

So, no, no-one is asking for the club to "deny all rumours every five minutes".

 

For whatever reason, Chamberlain's people (in conjunction with the club perhaps) have chosen to let the speculation continue. As I've suggested before, I suspect there could be an element of the club and/or Chamberlain's people wanting the speculation to continue as it's a win-win for both Saints and the player if/when we keep hold of him -> kudos for Cortese/Saints and Chamberlain improves his future earning potential one way or the other.

 

That is all.

 

what can they say?

 

Never leaving? Unlikely

 

If they then set a timescale they will be questioned on that and their commitment.

 

What if he is perfectly happy but next week Cortesse receives a (taking to extreme to make the point) a £20m bid from Real Madrid?

 

Best not commmenting too many players/clubs have looked silly when circumstances change.

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Can't see anywhere that anyone has suggested that?

 

All I've seen is the observation that there has been no categorical statement from Chamberlain's 'camp' that he is staying at Saints.

 

Granted. the club (Cortese) made a categorical statement in December that he wasn't going anywhere but some people are taking that with a pinch of salt, the media in particular.

 

People have simply made this observation in reaction to people suggesting that all the speculation may be unsettling to Chamberlain and/or the club.

 

A one-off, one line statement from Chamerlain's representative (his dad) at the beginning of January would have nipped all the speculation in the bud.

 

So, no, no-one is asking for the club to "deny all rumours every five minutes".

 

For whatever reason, Chamberlain's people (in conjunction with the club perhaps) have chosen to let the speculation continue. As I've suggested before, I suspect there could be an element of the club and/or Chamberlain's people wanting the speculation to continue as it's a win-win for both Saints and the player if/when we keep hold of him -> kudos for Cortese/Saints and Chamberlain improves his future earning potential one way or the other.

 

That is all.

 

There is always pressure from us lot when ever there is a hint of anything in the press.

 

Cortese and there for, the club, do business in a private way. So they don't release statements all the time about everything. When he does speak, even with flat out answers in our favour, it still raises more questions from us lot. He says the money is there yet we question it. He says we a building the team to breed it's own top class talent and not sell out best kids and we question it.

 

At some point the penny will drop and despite our lowly league position, our club will be treated like a big club and us lot might start having some faith in how we move forward.

 

AOC and his family may have been told to keep quiet and not to respond to speculation as AOC is very much in the plans of this club now and also in the championship next season. If him or his family think they can do better elsewhere then let them speak up. Otherwise head down and get in with the job he has. Seems to me that's what he is doing so I see no need for a statement from anyone IMO.

 

All could fall apart for us if it appears we have gone stale and don't look to be moving forward. That's IMO where cortese decided to get rid of pards. He couldn't see us achieving the future he wants with pards at the club.

 

Hasn't let us down so far?

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And the reasons Adkins, AOC and AOC's dad have been silent?

WOuld you be happier if they were yapping to the papers every day? - and if they did, would it make any difference to what you post? ie would you be constantly trying to read between the lines of what they said?

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There is always pressure from us lot when ever there is a hint of anything in the press.

 

Cortese and there for, the club, do business in a private way. So they don't release statements all the time about everything. When he does speak, even with flat out answers in our favour, it still raises more questions from us lot. He says the money is there yet we question it. He says we a building the team to breed it's own top class talent and not sell out best kids and we question it.

 

At some point the penny will drop and despite our lowly league position, our club will be treated like a big club and us lot might start having some faith in how we move forward.

 

AOC and his family may have been told to keep quiet and not to respond to speculation as AOC is very much in the plans of this club now and also in the championship next season. If him or his family think they can do better elsewhere then let them speak up. Otherwise head down and get in with the job he has. Seems to me that's what he is doing so I see no need for a statement from anyone IMO.

 

All could fall apart for us if it appears we have gone stale and don't look to be moving forward. That's IMO where cortese decided to get rid of pards. He couldn't see us achieving the future he wants with pards at the club.

 

Hasn't let us down so far?

 

Sure. Agree. All I was doing was highlightling an observation.

Posted
WOuld you be happier if they were yapping to the papers every day?

 

Again, I can't see where anyone is advocating "yapping to the papers every day"...

Posted

The press don't make players move, that is ridiculous. Cortese, Adkins or AOC could instantly quash these January rumours by saying "AOC is not moving/I am not moving". The fact that none of them have made a categorical statement is very telling.

 

Of course they do. Transfers sell newspapers, and speculation about transfers can turn both players' and teams' heads. It's no different to what an agent does to get commission.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2266521,00.html

 

There's this article which basically says ignore what the papers are saying. They're never going to issue an outright denial because it's never absolutely certain, look at Eddie Howe for example, but I think we can take from that that The OC is not 'for sale' as such.

 

I'm not sure what more people want?

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The press don't make players move, that is ridiculous. Cortese, Adkins or AOC could instantly quash these January rumours by saying "AOC is not moving/I am not moving". The fact that none of them have made a categorical statement is very telling.

 

So you missed the interview with the BBC on 8th December where Nicola Cortese ruled out Chamberlain or Lallana leaving?

 

Or the numerous interviews with Adkins where he rules out selling Chamberlain in January?

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Remeber how stupid the ole Bournemouth Chariman has recently looked - should make the point about keeping quiet and not responding every hour to more ...and more speculation.

 

We all know that players like Chamberlain, if nutured correctly will want to and be at a club that plays Champions league football and is challenging for the title eventually. Chances are that even if we achieve the 4 year plan to the prem, the investment needed to challenge for top honours and the time needed, even if realised will mean that until we get there (if not excluded by finance) players of exceptional quality like this will be sold at some point as they will WANT to go... sad but true... its highly unlikely that the very best youngsters will stay with Saints UNLESS we were already at that top table.

 

But hopefully his advisors and his dad recognise the value in him staying with us, especially if promoted to the Championship for at least another 18 months or so - its simply the best possible education. Those that think we shoudl just be mercenary and get teh best deal possible, forget the value and reputation of the clus and its academy - teh fact we are not mercenary is one of the reasons why parents will view Saints as the best place in teh south for their kids footballing education - and why hopefully ...eventually we will one day be in a position to keep hold of most of them as we will hopefully be in a position where success with Saints is a real possibilty.

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For the peeps thinking Aoc should speak out anyone remember Lallana say anything about re-signing ? I think its club policy under Nc to only talk when there is something HE has to say rather than when every other Thomas Richard and Harold do !

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quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Red and White Army The press don't make players move, that is ridiculous. Cortese, Adkins or AOC could instantly quash these January rumours by saying "AOC is not moving/I am not moving". The fact that none of them have made a categorical statement is very telling.

 

So you missed the interview with the BBC on 8th December where Nicola Cortese ruled out Chamberlain or Lallana leaving?

 

Or the numerous interviews with Adkins where he rules out selling Chamberlain in January?

 

I am pretty sure Saints are not interested in selling Oxo, but I am beginning to wonder what power we have over any decision.

 

From Adkins comments that he would only go to "a club who will nurture his talent and help him to develop", makes it perfectly clear that we will not be in total control of that decision. The other point would be if the reports of what is in the lads contract are correct. If there are stipulations of £5M upfront and a further £5M on appearances, that can only mean one thing. That being the Chamberlains would have total control over any move should those conditions be met, unless you can think of an alternative reason why those figures should be in such a contract.

 

Mark Chamberlain has consistently said in the past that Saints are the best for his development and the last comment I heard from him was just about the staggering amount of money being mentioned. Now whether this has brought about a change in his view, I do not know. There seems to be a massive push from the press for Oxo to go to Arsenal, yet I can see nothing from their end to justify that. There can be several reasons why all this speculation is happening, but one person who can put a stop to it.

 

My guess would be that if the right money was offered, he would go to Arsenal. But I don't believe that has happened and why I feel he will be staying with us for at least the rest of this season.

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Why should Chambo or Adkins speak out in a statement when nothing of the sort was done when Bolton, Chelsea, Fulham and Wolves were all after Lallana (rumours spouted once again). Lallana didn't speak out when those clubs were supposedly close to signing him, and then he goes and signs a 4 and a half year deal with us.

 

The silence from AOC and his dad is nothing to worry about.

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So you missed the interview with the BBC on 8th December where Nicola Cortese ruled out Chamberlain or Lallana leaving?

 

Or the numerous interviews with Adkins where he rules out selling Chamberlain in January?

 

Those Cortese comments were before all this speculation blew up.

 

Adkins has not ruled out selling AOC.

 

Hope this helps.

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Those Cortese comments were before all this speculation blew up.

 

Adkins has not ruled out selling AOC.

 

Hope this helps.

 

I'd have to listen back to the Cortese / BBC interview to be certain, but I'm pretty sure the interviewer (Dan Roan) was asking Cortese about Chamberlain in anticipation of the inevitable speculation that was likely to arise in January.

 

So, yes, Cortese was giving a guarantee BEFORE the speculation went into overdrive but it was still a pre-emptive response to the predictable scenario that exists today.

 

Cortese would have to be highly naive to make that statement without thinking there would be any speculation to change his stance.

 

IMHO of course

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Those Cortese comments were before all this speculation blew up.

 

Adkins has not ruled out selling AOC.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cortese was asked in December 2010 if Chamberlain or Lallana would be sold in January 2011 and he said "No". Since then, Lallana signed a 4 and half year deal and Chamberlain has not been sold 19 days into the window. Little reason not to believe Cortese so far as he has pretty much delivered on all fronts so far.

 

"Alex is not going to go anywhere - we're talking about a very young player in the first year of a professional contract. We'll have to cope with the rumours and we have to help the kid cope with the rumours. We've got a great prospect for the future, but not the transfer market."

 

The full 30 minute interview available to watch at the bottom of this report...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9269293.stm

 

Adkins also has said in numerous interviews on Saints Player that Chamberlain won't be sold in January.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hope this helps...

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Sure. Agree. All I was doing was highlightling an observation.

 

Yeah fair enough. I was just doing the same really. I think we were so used to how things "were done" and the change to how things are done now is not easy to accept.

 

I get the feeling that cortese is treating us like a big club. In it's ground, facility's, staff and the way it does business. He is setting out a model of creating our own superstars that can go on and challenge for titles and silverware for us. To sell the best kids as soon as they make the break through would just undermine his plans IMO.

 

I was telling a villa supporting mate that AOC was going nowhere and that if the plans for our club are reached then we would see champions league football before he would. He made a comment of how us being a league 1 club, we couldn't afford to turn down even half of the money talked about for AOC! We are still testing the waters asking questions of Cortese and Markus's family so it should be no surprise to hear other fans have no idea either.

 

I'm looking forward to Cortese delivering though.

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what can they say?

 

Never leaving? Unlikely

 

If they then set a timescale they will be questioned on that and their commitment.

 

What if he is perfectly happy but next week Cortesse receives a (taking to extreme to make the point) a £20m bid from Real Madrid?

 

Best not commmenting too many players/clubs have looked silly when circumstances change.

 

Indeed - Eddy Howe was left looking very silly last week. He'd have done better just keeping his mouth shut.

Posted
A letter will be collected tomorrow morning from there camp and delivered to our camp. that said, it does not mean arsenal will be signing him, it just means that a letter with an offer will be in. Personal i think he should leave for the good money thrown about but be loaned back to us.(. I Know the driver whose first job in the morning is to go to collect from there solicitors and take to ours.)

 

Was it delivered OK?

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Cortese was asked in December 2010 if Chamberlain or Lallana would be sold in January 2011 and he said "No". Since then, Lallana signed a 4 and half year deal and Chamberlain has not been sold 19 days into the window. Little reason not to believe Cortese so far as he has pretty much delivered on all fronts so far.

 

"Alex is not going to go anywhere - we're talking about a very young player in the first year of a professional contract. We'll have to cope with the rumours and we have to help the kid cope with the rumours. We've got a great prospect for the future, but not the transfer market."

 

The full 30 minute interview available to watch at the bottom of this report...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9269293.stm

 

Adkins also has said in numerous interviews on Saints Player that Chamberlain won't be sold in January.

 

 

 

Hope this helps...

 

Shows how ridiculous football is when someone of Cortese's position can be so definite about things, and yet there is still massive speculation everywhere about Oxo leaving. I've not seen Cortese's quotes in any of the papers when they are speculating about him leaving for Arsenal or wherever.

 

If it was another industry, people would take Cortese at his word but as its football, it is almost deemed as worthless. Still, people will start believing Cortese eventually when he is not sold.

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Was it delivered OK?

 

For all those taking the **** out of shane d, I can confirm that he is 100% correct. However I can also confirm that there was a slight hiccup. When the courier got out of his car at st mary's he accidently dropped the contract in a puddle. When the contract was placed in NC's hands, he was digusted to recieve a soggy and stained contract which he could barely read as the ink was running everywhere! NC (being Italian and all) saw this as a deliberate insult and is refusing to deal with Arsenal.

 

Man City are now aware of this and as we speak, Carlos Tevez and Yaya Toure are now on their way to st mary's with their perfectly white parchment paper offer. Watch this space.

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For all those taking the **** out of shane d, I can confirm that he is 100% correct. However I can also confirm that there was a slight hiccup. When the courier got out of his car at st mary's he accidently dropped the contract in a puddle. When the contract was placed in NC's hands, he was digusted to recieve a soggy and stained contract which he could barely read as the ink was running everywhere! NC (being Italian and all) saw this as a deliberate insult and is refusing to deal with Arsenal.

 

Man City are now aware of this and as we speak, Carlos Tevez and Yaya Toure are now on their way to st mary's with their perfectly white parchment paper offer. Watch this space.

 

Why would the ink run then?? Do not Arsenal's solicitors have a laser printer

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Why would the ink run then?? Do not Arsenal's solicitors have a laser printer

 

No it was written with a ball point bic...blue of all colours! Amatuers

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If Cortese says he is going nowhere and sticks to it, it doesn't matter what the player etc, other clubs want he is going nowhere. That said he may never play for us again if there is a bust up, but if Cortese took a screw you attitude, his next game wouldn't be until the 2013/14 season. We would then not get a big transfer fee. I suspect the player would have to knuckle down and co-operate so that eventually when the club were willing he would be allowed to go. It is in his interests to co-operate with the club. Cortese doesn't strike me as someone who is going to be dictated to.

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If Cortese says he is going nowhere and sticks to it, it doesn't matter what the player etc, other clubs want he is going nowhere. That said he may never play for us again if there is a bust up, but if Cortese took a screw you attitude, his next game wouldn't be until the 2013/14 season. We would then not get a big transfer fee. I suspect the player would have to knuckle down and co-operate so that eventually when the club were willing he would be allowed to go. It is in his interests to co-operate with the club. Cortese doesn't strike me as someone who is going to be dictated to.

 

Yea because that happens all the time!

 

NC is also a business man and by effectively managing it in the way you have suggested, there is ultimately no benefit to Saints. 1, if OX forced to stay against his will then his performances will drop and is likely to get nowhere near the team and 2, we lose a potential multi million pound investment at the end of it.

 

If his head has been turned, there is no point in us forcing him to stay. We are lucky that he has a decent length contract, not because it means he will stay for the duration of it but because we can command a good fee.

 

If he wants to stay then great because he a very important member of the team this season

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Yea because that happens all the time!

 

NC is also a business man and by effectively managing it in the way you have suggested, there is ultimately no benefit to Saints. 1, if OX forced to stay against his will then his performances will drop and is likely to get nowhere near the team and 2, we lose a potential multi million pound investment at the end of it.

 

If his head has been turned, there is no point in us forcing him to stay. We are lucky that he has a decent length contract, not because it means he will stay for the duration of it but because we can command a good fee.

 

If he wants to stay then great because he a very important member of the team this season

 

Tevez seems to be performing OK at Man City.

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Tevez seems to be performing OK at Man City.

 

probably because he didn't really want to leave, he just wanted more money for staying there.Rooney showed him the way, say you want to leave,then say you don't, kiss the badge and wheel your extra 20£K a week down to the bank.No-one in Argentina could afford Tevez, he's a ----, so is Rooney.

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Chambo's facebook status reads "can everyone stop asking me if Im leaving....its boring me now"

 

Dear Chambo,

 

Here dude, look what I found on the Internet (below)

 

Love Tac-tics

 

no 1 (nomacr.gif)

adv. 1. Used to express refusal, denial, disbelief, emphasis, or disagreement: No, I'm not going. No, you're wrong.

2. Not at all; not by any degree. Often used with the comparative: no better; no more.

3. Not: whether or no.

 

n. pl. noes (nomacr.gifz) 1. A negative response; a denial or refusal: The proposal produced only noes.

2. A negative vote or voter.

 

interj. Used to express strong refusal, doubt, or disbelief

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/No

 

 

 

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Chambo's facebook status reads "can everyone stop asking me if Im leaving....its boring me now"

 

Why doesn't he just shut down his social networking pages then.Plenty of people get by very well without them.

By the by how's Brian Stock doing these days.

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