landford.saint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 From The Independent. Simply Aresenal will be forced to sell to buy AOC from SFC as they want £10 million with half up front. Please close if old news. Personally just think paper filling couple of lines. But just reporting it.
richardc Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 i have just spoken to a mate of Mark Chamberlains - he does nt think he will go and he parents know he is better off at SFC but said that some of money being offered to AOC is ridiculous so you never know
Toomer Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 If and its a big if, there is any truth in this IMO the OXO kid should take note of AL loyalty to the club and buy into the big picture.
dune Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 £10 million is a lot of money. If I was Cortese i'd sell.
Chez Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 hopefully the Lallana deal will make Alex think twice about moving (not confident of that) as he may see a club going places. Wther that is at the speed he needs I don't know. Certainly can't of done any harm. We have momentum.
landford.saint Posted 8 January, 2011 Author Posted 8 January, 2011 £10 million is a lot of money. If I was Cortese i'd sell. To me £10mill is a huge unthinkable account. To SFC it may be a huge amount, however to NC. In his budgeting for future it may just be a large amount, and in the area where he can not depend on it. We just don't know the budget NC is dealing with.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 If I were AOC and Cortese, if we got £10m I'd sell. For AOC, especially with the type of player he is, he is one injury from no career. For Southampton, £10m is a lot that can help to improve our squad. Would you say, for instance, that AOC is £8m better than Pilkington?
Thedelldays Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 £10m for a team outside of the premier league is a massive amount of money
um pahars Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Personally, I would take that. Don't like to lose players, but as long as that money is to go back in to strengthening the squad, then I'd accept it.
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 If I were AOC and Cortese, if we got £10m I'd sell. For AOC, especially with the type of player he is, he is one injury from no career. For Southampton, £10m is a lot that can help to improve our squad. Would you say, for instance, that AOC is £8m better than Pilkington? Potentially yes
dubai_phil Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Nah. We've seen how time and circumstances can change unexpectedly and we could get some idiot deciding Arsenal's version of Tommy Forecast is worth the remaining 5mil.. 10 mil cash and 25 % sell on clause. (OK as it is Arsenal they can pay in installments over 12 months.) BUT, it is still 6 months too early for AoC career wise. He could get injured he could take the money. What he won't get is any first team football for another 6 months or so, he is NOT ready for PL football yet, he's only just becoming a consistent 60 minute performer for us.
SNSUN Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 We should be keeping our youngsters and our better players but if it were a choice between losing Alex or one of Lallana, Fonte, Morgan or even Rickie, then I'd have to say, for that money I could accept Alex leaving. I respect what Alex has done for us this season, and I don't want to see him go, but money is a key factor and Alex IS replaceable.
bpsaint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 I have to be honest,even if we were to reach the Premiership we're always going to be the sort of club that will sell players if the right offer comes in. Unless Cortese really does want to turn us into a Champions Legue team like he claims then I can't imagine us keeping hold of players once the big teams come sniffing. In the grand scheme of things £10 million is an obscene amount of money for a League 1/Championship player, and we'd be able to buy an incredibly able replacement for a 1/5th of the transfer fee, then potentially make a fortune with a sell-on clause. Snap their hand off I say.
aintforever Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Didn't Marcus buy the whole club for £15mill? If they get £10mill back for one 17 year old they will be laughing all the way to the Swiss bank. Personally I wouldn't want him sold but even if we do it would probably be re-invested anyway so I wouldn't cry over it.
ericofarabia Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 As Phil said ... 10 million up front or forget it. How is the other 5 mill factored in .... Arsenal winning The League/ every 50 games played / International Honours etc etc It could take years, if ever to get the remaining 5 million, by which time he could be worth double or treble his current value. Show me the money .... or do a hike. Oh and we'lll do you a favour and keep him on loan for match experience etc for the next 1 and a half seasons ... can't say fairer than that!!
BadgerBadger Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Great, 10 mill and we can buy 2 Rory Delaps and still have change. Keep him, he's worth more to us than warming the Arsenal bench. It won't be our decision anyway, he'll dictate whether he stays or goes.
saintsub Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Great, 10 mill and we can buy 2 Rory Delaps and still have change. Keep him, he's worth more to us than warming the Arsenal bench. It won't be our decision anyway, he'll dictate whether he stays or goes. Spot on. Let's think.....SFC or Arsenal on Prem wages.....no brainer. Loyalty does not come in to it - this is a buisness and 10Mil would be an amazing amount for a very talented young player with England potential.
Dellman Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 we're building from the roots, AL and OXO are the models, sell OXO even for£20m and the vision goes..hold him please, he's our future style
dune Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Unless Cortese really does want to turn us into a Champions Legue team like he claims..... With us fans paying champions league prices to attend games. I know this is another thread but if and when the 5 year plan materialises a lot of fans will come out of the woodwork and a lot of glory hunters would start following us. £50 a ticket is just around the corner.
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 If true then I would rip arsenals arm off....he's a young lad who isn't worth £10m....he could well go onto to be a great player but he could also get a career ending injury.....if he's worth £10m then how much is lallana worth?,I know which one I'd rather keep.
paulwantsapint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 saints will always have to look at offers of stupid money BUT manure, barca , real also sell if stupid money offers come in
Genk Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Look at what happened to Fabian Delph, left Leeds for the big stage in the Prem, and hardly gets a game for Villa. A talent wasted. Hopefully AOC follows Lallana and stays for his own good
buctootim Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Look at what happened to Fabian Delph, left Leeds for the big stage in the Prem, and hardly gets a game for Villa. A talent wasted. Hopefully AOC follows Lallana and stays for his own good Or: Look at Delph, promised a lot when young but didnt develop, Leeds cashed in at the right time.
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 If Arsenal want to offer 10m for him, it should be 10m up-front. Otherwise they can f**k right off. Sheer nerve of it after the Theo Walcott business.
70's Mike Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 just can not see Arse spending £10m at present, Wenger would have to convince his Board that it was worth spending £10m on a player who would struggle to get in their best 16 at a time when they are still in the title race.
Andy Durman Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 Chamberlain told me last week that he's going nowhere. Chamberlain is a Saint Close the thread!
Sussex Saint Posted 8 January, 2011 Posted 8 January, 2011 From a football viewpoint it would be madness to sell him. We need his pace and quality and there's no way we could replace him. If we had been able or willing to keep hold of some of the quality players in the past we would not be stumbling around in league 1. I'd hoped we'd learned somthing from the L**e era.
Huffton Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 If Arsenal want to offer 10m for him, it should be 10m up-front. Otherwise they can f**k right off. Sheer nerve of it after the Theo Walcott business. This. If they want him, write a cheque for the whole lot. Lets see how much they really want him!
Thedelldays Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 arsenal or any club would not pay £10m up front....very few deals are paid up front....deffo not for a division 3 player
Ricky Redstripe Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 As Phil said ... 10 million up front or forget it. How is the other 5 mill factored in .... Arsenal winning The League/ every 50 games played / International Honours etc etc It could take years, if ever to get the remaining 5 million, by which time he could be worth double or treble his current value. Show me the money .... or do a hike. Oh and we'lll do you a favour and keep him on loan for match experience etc for the next 1 and a half seasons ... can't say fairer than that!! Agree completely. No need to sell.
Huffton Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 arsenal or any club would not pay £10m up front....very few deals are paid up front....deffo not for a division 3 player I realise that, but we are no longer a 'selling club'. I hope Cortese plays hard ball with them and demands it all up front.
benjii Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 I realise that, but we are no longer a 'selling club'. I hope Cortese plays hard ball with them and demands it all up front. I think if there is one thing we can all be certain of it is that Nicola will play a tough game!
saints-cris Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 If for some reason we do sell.. id like, as others suggested, all up front and for us to have him back on loan for next season or 2.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 I like how the media word it in such a way, as to imply were skint!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!! WE DONT NEED THEY'RE MONEY !!! Tell those cheeky so call top teams, to stop taking the P-ISS and FERK OFF!!!
rick1976.4.38 Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 As Phil said ... 10 million up front or forget it. How is the other 5 mill factored in .... Arsenal winning The League/ every 50 games played / International Honours etc etc It could take years, if ever to get the remaining 5 million, by which time he could be worth double or treble his current value. Show me the money .... or do a hike. Oh and we'lll do you a favour and keep him on loan for match experience etc for the next 1 and a half seasons ... can't say fairer than that!! this.we should have done this with theo
Matthew Le God Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 £10 million is a lot of money. If I was Cortese i'd sell. £10m for a team outside of the premier league is a massive amount of money Personally, I would take that. Don't like to lose players, but as long as that money is to go back in to strengthening the squad, then I'd accept it. Why accept an offer so quickly? If Cortese has large funding behind him and will be spending money anyway then it makes no sense to cash in on Chamberlain. Bale ended up going in a similar deal and is now being talked about as a potential £30m - £40m player. In the past Saints have never been in a financial position where it didn't matter if bids were turned down. It would seem the club may well be in that position now for the first time in its history. Chamberlain still has 2 and a half years left on his deal, he shouldn't be going anywhere.
Doctoroncall Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 AOX maybe an important part of the footballing jigsaw of the right player at the right age to create the core of a team which will be together for a number of seasons. Players that have been together are more in tune with each other which is the philosophy and an important part of creating a team at Saints. There is no reason to sell, we are building a team, a winning team.
hypochondriac Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 His dad wants him to stay. I suggest that fame may have gone to his head somewhat though.
sambosa75 Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 arsenal or any club would not pay £10m up front....very few deals are paid up front....deffo not for a division 3 player There arent many division 3 clubs with our financial clout though. Quite simply, if Arsenal want him, they'll have to pay what Cortese is happy to accept. That said, if we are obligated to tell AOC that an offer is on the table and he wants to go, its academic.
St_Tel49 Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 I am disappointed about how many posters seem so anxious to sell the lad just because somebody quotes £10m. We are under no financial pressure whatsoever to sell and for the lad's own sake he is better off staying here for the time being. I doubt that sitting in a flat in London counting his money will make him any happier than playing football here. I have no doubt that NC will make him a good financial offer in due course though it would be unlikely to match a top 5 clubs offer.
Andy Durman Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 My point is why discuss something that's not going to happen. This a pointless thread. Go watch a Saints pay with Chamberlain and enjoy him!!! We are building a premier league team and Chamberlain and Lallana will grace our team. Enjoy the ride.
Gingeletiss Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 I am disappointed about how many posters seem so anxious to sell the lad just because somebody quotes £10m. We are under no financial pressure whatsoever to sell and for the lad's own sake he is better off staying here for the time being. I doubt that sitting in a flat in London counting his money will make him any happier than playing football here. I have no doubt that NC will make him a good financial offer in due course though it would be unlikely to match a top 5 clubs offer. This
CB Fry Posted 9 January, 2011 Posted 9 January, 2011 (edited) Why accept an offer so quickly? If Cortese has large funding behind him and will be spending money anyway then it makes no sense to cash in on Chamberlain. Bale ended up going in a similar deal and is now being talked about as a potential £30m - £40m player. In the past Saints have never been in a financial position where it didn't matter if bids were turned down. It would seem the club may well be in that position now for the first time in its history. Chamberlain still has 2 and a half years left on his deal, he shouldn't be going anywhere. Because he is established in a Premier League team and has Champions League experience. Gareth Bale wouldn't now be worth £30-40m if he was still at Saints. And A O-C is no way going to stay at Saints long enough to turn into someone with the experiences Bale has already had. We're at least 18 months from a Premier League game. At least. If A O-C continues his current career trajectory he wouldn't last even a single NPC season with us. We have, if current form is maintained, one more transfer window we can survive with him as a Saints player. I know you live in your little computer game world but if it is true that the big four/five are seriously looking at him, then he will very soon say he wants to go. I happen to think he will stay until the end of the season, but I doubt he will much longer than that. If he plays a role in getting us promoted then he will, in his head, have paid his dues to Southampton and be ready for the next challenge. Jon Jo Shelvy was bumming about in L1 last season and was turning out at Old Trafford today. Alex would be perfectly entitled to think - "that could be me next year. It could be me next month". Don't kid yourself that Cortese is some football goliath that every club in Britain can't take players from. Edited 9 January, 2011 by CB Fry
Big John Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Liverpool (and moreso King Kenny) need to make an impact signing atm and imho could nurture Alex perfectly. Arsena want him whereas teh Liverpool board feel that they need him. Also, Arsenal might consider a gentleman's agreement to let him go post-promotion which would suit Nicola's modus operandi but Liverpool love their super subs so my money is on him going after Oldham or perhaps Notts County, once the ink has dried.
beatlesaint Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 Liverpool (and moreso King Kenny) need to make an impact signing atm and imho could nurture Alex perfectly. Arsena want him whereas teh Liverpool board feel that they need him. Also, Arsenal might consider a gentleman's agreement to let him go post-promotion which would suit Nicola's modus operandi but Liverpool love their super subs so my money is on him going after Oldham or perhaps Notts County, once the ink has dried. I dont think Liverpool are in a position eiher financially or in league position to splash big money on a 17 year old boy who has played a handful of League One games and throw him straight into the pressure cooker of Premiership football. In an ideal world I'm sure they would love to get him but in the real world they have much bigger fish to fry in the transfer window IMHO.
Big John Posted 10 January, 2011 Posted 10 January, 2011 /\ imho Kenny knows a decent youngster worth a punt and he watched him from the Itchen twice over Christmas. I doubt he is really in the habit of watching Div 3 football just cos he is in the area visting friends as was reported. He certainly wasn't here to watch Puncheon or Adam.
Scudamore Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 /\ imho Kenny knows a decent youngster worth a punt and he watched him from the Itchen twice over Christmas. I doubt he is really in the habit of watching Div 3 football just cos he is in the area visting friends as was reported. He certainly wasn't here to watch Puncheon or Adam. He would have been disappointed if he was here to watch Puncheon...he was at Millwall at the time! Don't think he'll leave until the summer myself. If he has any sense and is being advised properly he'll see he can gain both a league winners medal and the move he wants.
labibs Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 I dont think Liverpool are in a position eiher financially or in league position to splash big money on a 17 year old boy who has played a handful of League One games and throw him straight into the pressure cooker of Premiership football. In an ideal world I'm sure they would love to get him but in the real world they have much bigger fish to fry in the transfer window IMHO. This. Liverpool's priorities in this transfer window are a left sided player and another striker, neither of which is AOC. They are not rolling in cash (particularly as they have no CL this season and barring a miracle next season as well), so I cannot see how they could justify spending enough to entice us into selling AOC, ths window. Put it this way, if you were a Liverpool fan, would you be happy with them spending the majority of their transfer budget on an unproven 17 year old with 20 odd L1 games to his name? It could be that Commoli thinks they can do what they did with Shelvey and pick up AOC for £2m. In that case he is in for a big surprise
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 11 January, 2011 Posted 11 January, 2011 His dad wants him to stay. I suggest that fame may have gone to his head somewhat though. where did you get that impression from has he told you he wants to leave?
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