Good to see Labour are as good at this sleaze malarkey as the Tories

[trousers]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jan/07/david-chaytor-jailed-mps-expenses

 

David Chaytor, the first former MP to be convicted over the expenses scandal, was today sentenced to 18 months in prison.

The former Labour MP for Bury North last month pleaded guilty at the Old Baileyto three charges of false accounting, days before he had been due to stand trial. He faced a maximum sentence of seven years.

Chaytor had admitted false accounting involving a total of £18,350. He had agreed to pay back the sum before today's hearing at Southwark crown court.

[dune]

On the news it said he could get sent down for a term between 18 months and 7 years.

 

Personally i think it's worse for a Socialist to be caught out than a Tory. Afterall Socialists are supposed to be all about the redistribution of wealth. Hypocrites of the highest order. At least with a Tory you know where you stand.

[Seaford Saint]

On the news it said he could get sent down for a term between 18 months and 7 years.

 

Personally i think it's worse for a Socialist to be caught out than a Tory. Afterall Socialists are supposed to be all about the redistribution of wealth. Hypocrites of the highest order. At least with a Tory you know where you stand.

 

SO tories are dishonest then....all of them? And that's who you vote for.

[Joensuu]

At least with a Tory you know where you stand.

 

[dune]

SO tories are dishonest then....all of them? And that's who you vote for.

 

Tories will always look after their own interests, which is private commerce. Successful private commerce is my interest and in the interest of everyone employed in the private sector. The only people who benefit from Labour are those in made up public sector jobs (Socialists love a bloated public sector) and the bone idle slobs who love to sit on their arses and claim benefits.

 

If you're want work and you want private sector jobs you vote Conservative. It's unreal how many thick working people think Labour are their party.

[badgerx16]

At least with a Tory you know where you stand.

 

Exhibit #2 = Jonathan Aitken

[dune]

Very good bodger, but it's still more hypocritical for a Socialist to feather his own nest.

[Joensuu]

it's still more hypocritical for a Socialist to feather his own nest.

 

Strange.

 

So it doesn't matter how much of a c*** you are, so long as you tell people that you are a c*** first?

 

Is this your way of excusing Adolf? "At least he wasn't a hypocrite..."

[Verbal]

Tories will always look after their own interests, which is private commerce. Successful private commerce is my interest and in the interest of everyone employed in the private sector. The only people who benefit from Labour are those in made up public sector jobs (Socialists love a bloated public sector) and the bone idle slobs who love to sit on their arses and claim benefits.

 

If you're want work and you want private sector jobs you vote Conservative. It's unreal how many thick working people think Labour are their party.

 

I work in the private sector and have done since 1982, and as an employer since 1995. I wouldn't dream of voting for such utter, sponging trash as the Tory party. While you slag off the public sector, you might consider how it is that you're able to go on to the www to write your nonsensical twaddle. The reason is that a British public sector physicist working at Cern, called Tim Berners-Lee, invented it. I imagine he's have second thoughts with the above drivel. There are of course countless examples like this, but I'm sure in your tiny hermetically sealed world, in which Hitler won the war and Apartheid still ruled supreme, this is all beside some imaginary point.

 

In sheer hard cash terms, the worst spongers off the state are the drug companies overcharging the NHS, the PFI companies gouging the contract-bidding system, the defence contractors inflating production costs by several billions, the ongoing scandal of IT companies installing systems that mysteriously double or treble original estimates and then STILL don't work, etc, ad nauseum. The majority of these, of course, do so with the help of directorships lavished on sponging, I'll-do-anything-for-money Tory MPs and corrupt civil servants jumping ship from departments that had just awarded multi-million pound contracts.

[dune]

I work in the private sector and have done since 1982, and as an employer since 1995. I wouldn't dream of voting for such utter, sponging trash as the Tory party. While you slag off the public sector, you might consider how it is that you're able to go on to the www to write your nonsensical twaddle. The reason is that a British public sector physicist working at Cern, called Tim Berners-Lee, invented it. I imagine he's have second thoughts with the above drivel. There are of course countless examples like this, but I'm sure in your tiny hermetically sealed world, in which Hitler won the war and Apartheid still ruled supreme, this is all beside some imaginary point.

 

In sheer hard cash terms, the worst spongers off the state are the drug companies overcharging the NHS, the PFI companies gouging the contract-bidding system, the defence contractors inflating production costs by several billions, the ongoing scandal of IT companies installing systems that mysteriously double or treble original estimates and then STILL don't work, etc, ad nauseum. The majority of these, of course, do so with the help of directorships lavished on sponging, I'll-do-anything-for-money Tory MPs and corrupt civil servants jumping ship from departments that had just awarded multi-million pound contracts.

 

If only we were a one party communist state eh Verbal.

[dune]

Is this your way of excusing Adolf? "At least he wasn't a hypocrite..."

 

Don't bring Hitler into this.

[trousers]

And there was me thinking I'd trigger a rational discussion on a Friday afternoon.... :-)

[Verbal]

And there was me thinking I'd trigger a rational discussion on a Friday afternoon.... :-)

 

Listen trousers: you're either a football fan or you're a Tory. It's your choice.

[dune]

And there was me thinking I'd trigger a rational discussion on a Friday afternoon.... :-)

 

Ha Ha, no chance. Labour types cannot converse without throwing about insults because their arguments and the whole Socialist ideology is flawed and history has taught us that Socialism doesn't work. Yet they have this weird superiority complex towards anyone that tells it like is. I tell it like it is. They really hate that.

[trousers]

Listen trousers: you're either a football fan or you're a Tory. It's your choice.

 

Ok if I consult successful banker Nicola Cortese on that one first...? ;-)

[Verbal]

Ok if I consult successful banker Nicola Cortese on that one first...? ;-)

 

Yes. Tell me what he says.

[dune]

Ok if I consult successful banker Nicola Cortese on that one first...? ;-)

 

Trousers don't you think it's hypocritical how these hardline Socialists attend football matches when players recieve such huge wages?

 

Then again I bet Bob Crow shops at Top Shop.

[Thedelldays]

he said..

 

"tell supa dupa verbal..the next time he goes for a shyt, to remember to wipe his chin"

[Seaford Saint]

Ha Ha, no chance. Labour types cannot converse without throwing about insults because their arguments and the whole Socialist ideology is flawed and history has taught us that Socialism doesn't work. Yet they have this weird superiority complex towards anyone that tells it like is. I tell it like it is. They really hate that.

 

I am a labour type and I think you do the tories down...not all tories are as you describe them. Neither is socialist ideology any more flawed than tory capitalism. You tell it as it appears to you Dune, no more and no less.

[dune]

he said..

 

"tell supa dupa verbal..the next time he goes for a shyt, to remember to wipe his chin"

 

[Joensuu]

Trousers don't you think it's hypocritical how these hardline Socialists attend football matches when players recieve such huge wages?

 

Then again I bet Bob Crow shops at Top Shop.

 

Bob Crow plays five a side in his work team.

[dune]

I am a labour type and I think you do the tories down...not all tories are as you describe them. Neither is socialist ideology any more flawed than tory capitalism. You tell it as it appears to you Dune, no more and no less.

 

[trousers]

Trousers don't you think it's hypocritical how these hardline Socialists attend football matches when players recieve such huge wages

 

Given all human beings are inherently hypocritical, yes.

[solentstars]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jan/07/david-chaytor-jailed-mps-expenses

 

David Chaytor, the first former MP to be convicted over the expenses scandal, was today sentenced to 18 months in prison.

The former Labour MP for Bury North last month pleaded guilty at the Old Baileyto three charges of false accounting, days before he had been due to stand trial. He faced a maximum sentence of seven years.

Chaytor had admitted false accounting involving a total of £18,350. He had agreed to pay back the sum before today's hearing at Southwark crown court.

 

agree reminds me of the more and more of the sleezey thatcher years,

[solentstars]

Ha Ha, no chance. Labour types cannot converse without throwing about insults because their arguments and the whole Socialist ideology is flawed and history has taught us that Socialism doesn't work. Yet they have this weird superiority complex towards anyone that tells it like is. I tell it like it is. They really hate that.

 

if you were a real tory you would have voted for blairs torys,its bad when the left in this country find cameron more leftwing than the present labour party.

[Wilko]

Seems harsh to me. Many people get away with community sentences for beating the crap out of somebody in the street.

[rocknrollman no2]

It shouldnt matter what party an MP represents.They should remember that it is a privilige to be able to serve the public and therefore they are only there to serve our interests,not their own.

Any MP found to be breaking the law should rightly be punished and hopefully banned from ever standing again as a public servant.

[trousers]

Another one today.....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12157768

 

Former Labour MP Eric Illsley has admitted he fraudulently claimed more than £14,000 in parliamentary expenses.

He pleaded guilty to three false accounting charges over claims for council tax, maintenance, repairs and utility bills for his second home.

Illsley, appearing at Southwark Crown Court, previously denied all charges.

[GenevaSaint]

IF they're getting relatively long sentences for admitting the crime anyone who pleased not guilty will be looking at a much longer term (hopefully)

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Tories will always look after their own interests, which is private commerce. Successful private commerce is my interest and in the interest of everyone employed in the private sector. The only people who benefit from Labour are those in made up public sector jobs (Socialists love a bloated public sector) and the bone idle slobs who love to sit on their arses and claim benefits.

 

If you're want work and you want private sector jobs you vote Conservative. It's unreal how many thick working people think Labour are their party.

 

FFS give it a rest. The chance of you persuading anyone who thinks differently to you is next to zero. Anyone who's been in "The Lounge" for longer than a few days knows where you coming from already.

[Special K]

In sheer hard cash terms, the worst spongers off the state are the drug companies overcharging the NHS, the PFI companies gouging the contract-bidding system, the defence contractors inflating production costs by several billions, the ongoing scandal of IT companies installing systems that mysteriously double or treble original estimates and then STILL don't work, etc, ad nauseum. The majority of these, of course, do so with the help of directorships lavished on sponging, I'll-do-anything-for-money Tory MPs and corrupt civil servants jumping ship from departments that had just awarded multi-million pound contracts.

 

Most of whom made hay during the New Labour era of old school favours and supressed competition. Crapita are a prime example, of course there are others, but it seems that irrespective of the colours up their political mast, most politicians are unable to supervise departments capable of administering efficiency in procurement and delivery and are more than open to lining themselves up for a non-exec payday, post-election loss/stand down (e.g. Patsy Hewitt).

[Saintandy666]

On the news it said he could get sent down for a term between 18 months and 7 years.

 

Personally i think it's worse for a Socialist to be caught out than a Tory. Afterall Socialists are supposed to be all about the redistribution of wealth. Hypocrites of the highest order. At least with a Tory you know where you stand.

 

New Labour aren't socialist.

[bridge too far]

Capita was formed about 25 years ago at a time that the then government decided to outsource back-office functions in local government and the NHS.

 

No doubt there will be similar success stories when the NHS in its current form is decentralised (against the wishes of most GPs and Royal Colleges and with virtually no consultation).

 

There will be an avalanche of such companies, charging more for delivering less.

[trousers]

charging more for delivering less.

 

Something the public sector is just as adept at as the private sector.... ;-)

[Verbal]

Something the public sector is just as adept at as the private sector.... ;-)

 

So you haven't travelled by train recently.

[Joensuu]

So you haven't travelled by train recently.

 

Why would a Tory lower himself to using public transport, surely that's the domain of the proles?

[Deppo]

You tell it as it appears to you Dune, no more and no less.

 

That's unfair and totally unfounded. He tells it how he sees it on YouTube.

[trousers]

So you haven't travelled by train recently.

 

I wish!

 

As it happens, I'm on my 'usual' train home from London as we speak. Have been doing the same commute for 25 years now.

 

You are indeed correct in alluding to a difference between the train service when I first started (1986) and now.

 

Up until privatisation of the South Western division of 'Network SouthEast' in 1996 the service was very unreliable. Since taken over by Stagecoach it has got progressively better.

 

So, in summary for my train line:

 

Public sector: cost less, deliver less

Private sector: cost more, deliver more

 

I know which one I prefer

[Verbal]

I wish!

 

As it happens, I'm on my 'usual' train home from London as we speak. Have been doing the same commute for 25 years now.

 

You are indeed correct in alluding to a difference between the train service when I first started (1986) and now.

 

Up until privatisation of the South Western division of 'Network SouthEast' in 1996 the service was very unreliable. Since taken over by Stagecoach it has got progressively better.

 

So, in summary for my train line:

 

Public sector: cost less, deliver less

Private sector: cost more, deliver more

 

I know which one I prefer

 

Me too. Much better to pay less and travel on those lovely comfortable slam-doors rather than the nasty new plastic carriages with no seats.

[Joensuu]

Me too. Much better to pay less and travel on those lovely comfortable slam-doors rather than the nasty new plastic carriages with no seats.

 

+1

 

Nothing worse than electric doors which jam to slow down boarding. And computerised voices repeating station names to annoy all the travellers. Bring back affordability.

[trousers]

Me too. Much better to pay less and travel on those lovely comfortable slam-doors rather than the nasty new plastic carriages with no seats.

 

Ah yes....the halcyon days of springs up your arse and an arctic draft coming through the slam doors. And as for the sauna like carriages in the summer...I do miss that musky smell...

[pap]

No further investigations, your honour.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/11204405/MPs-to-escape-expenses-investigations-after-paperwork-destroyed-by-Parliament.html

[JackFrost]

No further investigations, your honour.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/11204405/MPs-to-escape-expenses-investigations-after-paperwork-destroyed-by-Parliament.html

 

It just gives you an indication of the sheer scale of it doesn't it.