Billy Bragg

[dune]

Guess you are as thick as stanley/dunce. You looking at my pint Mr Internet hardman....

 

I'm shocked my name is once again mentioned in one of your posts Andrew. You're becoming a bit obsessed.

[Deppo]

I'm shocked my name is once again mentioned in one of your posts Andrew. You're becoming a bit obsessed.

 

I notice you noticed another of Andrew's posts. You're becoming obsessed.

[hamster]

I notice you noticed another of Andrew's posts. You're becoming obsessed.

 

Matty 7 1-5... back at ya deppo

[Deppo]

I am obsessed with dune. I admit it. I have found out where he lives and I rummage through his bins and lick out his empty yoghurt pots and I also masturbate into his herb garden.

[trousers]

I am obsessed with dune. I admit it. I have found out where he lives and I rummage through his bins and lick out his empty yoghurt pots and I also masturbate into his herb garden.

 

About thyme

[Deppo]

I then pull out a sprig and rub it in my eyes. I don't know whether it is my masturbating or the herbs that are making me parsley-sighted.

[Sarnia Saint]

I am obsessed with dune. I admit it. I have found out where he lives and I rummage through his bins and lick out his empty yoghurt pots and I also masturbate into his herb garden.

Must help the cumin no end

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I'm shocked my name is once again mentioned in one of your posts Andrew. You're becoming a bit obsessed.

 

Anti-Fascist Action.

[revolution saint]

I went to a Tolpuddle Martyr festival the year Saints got relegated and Billy joked about it and said on stage, "At least Southampton got relegated". Despite that he is a nice bloke and in case anyone is wondering my favourite album is, "Workers playtime" although Talking with the taxman about poetry is a close second.

 

I don't really understand the argument that socialists should all be poor or traitors to the beliefs though. Surely if they are rich then espousing socialist beliefs is even more of a sacrifice? It's a bit like saying you can't support the Tories unless you're rich.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I went to a Tolpuddle Martyr festival the year Saints got relegated and Billy joked about it and said on stage, "At least Southampton got relegated". Despite that he is a nice bloke and in case anyone is wondering my favourite album is, "Workers playtime" although Talking with the taxman about poetry is a close second.

 

I don't really understand the argument that socialists should all be poor or traitors to the beliefs though. Surely if they are rich then espousing socialist beliefs is even more of a sacrifice? It's a bit like saying you can't support the Tories unless you're rich.

 

Some might say it is hypocritical.

[revolution saint]

Some might say it is hypocritical.

 

Please explain why?

[Deppo]

Some might say it is hypocritical.

 

Only if they were idiots.

[dune]

I went to a Tolpuddle Martyr festival the year Saints got relegated and Billy joked about it and said on stage, "At least Southampton got relegated". Despite that he is a nice bloke and in case anyone is wondering my favourite album is, "Workers playtime" although Talking with the taxman about poetry is a close second.

 

I don't really understand the argument that socialists should all be poor or traitors to the beliefs though. Surely if they are rich then espousing socialist beliefs is even more of a sacrifice? It's a bit like saying you can't support the Tories unless you're rich.

 

It's easy being a Socialist when you're well off because you can afford for them to screw up the economy.

[revolution saint]

It's easy being a Socialist when you're well off because you can afford for them to screw up the economy.

 

Could you answer the question about why it's hypocritical to be rich and a socialist? Or do you agree it's not hypocritical?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Please explain why?

 

Because he lives the lifestyle of the people that you preach or in his case sing against. You cannot be a muslim and eat pork.

[dune]

Could you answer the question about why it's hypocritical to be rich and a socialist? Or do you agree it's not hypocritical?

 

I wouldn't say they're hypocritical - just very very thick.

[Deppo]

Because he lives the lifestyle of the people that you preach or in his case sing against. You cannot be a muslim and eat pork.

 

There is just little point discussing these things with you because you clearly don't really understand very much.

[revolution saint]

Because he lives the lifestyle of the people that you preach or in his case sing against. You cannot be a muslim and eat pork.

 

But they advocate the redistribution of wealth which would actually harm them more so I would say they are actually more true to their beliefs than a "poor" socialist.

 

I wouldn't say they're hypocritical - just very very thick.

 

Of course that's subjective. I would say you're very very thick and so would many others - it doesn't mean you are but it might be more likely.

[View From The Top]

Because he lives the lifestyle of the people that you preach or in his case sing against. You cannot be a muslim and eat pork.

 

That's a rather dumb argument if I may say so.

 

You are assuming that socialist ideals are based solely on wealth, which is the mistake most often made.

 

My socialist principles are aligned to providing equality of opportunity for all to succeed regardless of their wealth.

 

I live a comfortable middle class life but I choose to work in one of the most deprived areas on England helping others improve their life chances and those of their children so they have to opportunity for such a life themselves.

 

My wife chooses to work in a tough secondary school for the same reasons. We feel duty bound to give back to society, that is being a socialist.

 

The wealthiest bloke I know, who posts on here, works for a bank, lives in a big house in the country, owns property overseas and is socialist to the core.

 

Now I appreciate that some hard of thinking don't get that but you've always struck me as a level headed sort of chap so I hope you can appreciate where I'm coming from with this.

[Big John]

It's easy being a Socialist when you're well off because you can afford for them to screw up the economy.

 

Don't agree. the more wealthy the socialist the harder they get hit when the economy takes a dip, they don't have the benefit of the benefit system that they herald to fall back on.

[Big John]

There is just little point discussing these things with you because you clearly don't really understand very much.

 

what have you got againts musilms? rich muslims need money too.

 

tfic

[Big John]

billy bragg imo found a niche matket and made money from it, the fact that he actually has socialist values and wrote songs with themn in mind makes him a decent perosn.

 

if we were talking about phil collins and his touching drivel, another day in paradise you need to know the sond that i am referring to to appreciate how vile it is that HE sings is, then we would be barking up the right tree.

 

leave bb alone unless of course you have a massive chip on your shoulder about socialism actually working.....then carry on talking out of your collective arses.

[dune]

That's a rather dumb argument if I may say so.

 

You are assuming that socialist ideals are based solely on wealth, which is the mistake most often made.

 

My socialist principles are aligned to providing equality of opportunity for all to succeed regardless of their wealth.

 

I live a comfortable middle class life but I choose to work in one of the most deprived areas on England helping others improve their life chances and those of their children so they have to opportunity for such a life themselves.

 

My wife chooses to work in a tough secondary school for the same reasons. We feel duty bound to give back to society, that is being a socialist.

 

The wealthiest bloke I know, who posts on here, works for a bank, lives in a big house in the country, owns property overseas and is socialist to the core.

 

Now I appreciate that some hard of thinking don't get that but you've always struck me as a level headed sort of chap so I hope you can appreciate where I'm coming from with this.

 

That's all very noble, but it's misguided to vote Labour because Labour always ruin the economy. They mean well, but they always end up indebting the nation trying to achieve their objectives. Voting Labour is like giving money to an African aid charity - it provides a momentary respite but it doesn't fix the problem and after a while the money runs out. The way to raise the poorest people out of poverty is through free market capitalism. Be it in the UK or Africa charity isn't the answer, the answer is encouraging entrepreneurs and investors to create jobs through tax breaks etc. If the rich get richer that means the poor get richer, but under Socialism if the rich are less rich and the poor are poorer it's mission achieved so long as the gap is smaller. I don't have a chip on my shoulder and i'd rather see the rich richer and the poor less poor.

 

Margaret Thatcher sums it up perfectly.

 

[dune]

Don't agree. the more wealthy the socialist the harder they get hit when the economy takes a dip, they don't have the benefit of the benefit system that they herald to fall back on.

 

But they still don't have to scrimp like working class people do when Labour ruin the economy. Therefore they can afford to support their misguided ideologies because they'll never have to suffer the pain of repairing an economy post a Socialist government. Yes they'll lose money, but they'll still be able to put petrol in their jag.

[dune]

I was watching an arctic documentary on bbc 2 last night, you may have seen it, it was about Greenland and how the inuits lives have changed rapidly over the past decade or so because of mineral exploration. One of the inuits was employed by Cairn Energy (who I have chosen to invest in) and when asked whether he prefer his old hunter gather life or his life working for Cairn Energy he said he prefers his life now because he can pay his rent, his phone bill, feed his family. That is capitalism at work. That is what poor people in third world countries want. I am doing far more for these people by investing in companys operating in their country than any left winger will do rattling a tin.

Edited 10 January, 2011 by dune

[Jonnyboy]

I was watching an arctic documentary on bbc 2 last night, you may have seen it, it was about Greenland and how the inuits lives have changed rapidly over the past decade or so because of mineral exploration. One of the inuits was employed by Cairn Energy (who I have chosen to invest in) and when asked whether he prefer his old hunter gather life or his life working for Cairn Energy he said he prefers his life now because he can pay his rent, his phone bill, feed his family. That is capitalism at work. That is what poor people in third world countries want. I am doing far more for these people by investing in companys operating in their country than any left winger will do rattling a tin.

 

cos hunter gatherers are always worrying about paying their bills.

[Big John]

But they still don't have to scrimp like working class people do when Labour ruin the economy. Therefore they can afford to support their misguided ideologies because they'll never have to suffer the pain of repairing an economy post a Socialist government. Yes they'll lose money, but they'll still be able to put petrol in their jag.

 

It'll be a lot easier with Cameron's new employment laws to make it legal to sack your footman after 24 months rather than the current 12.

 

On one of your other points; no-one in their right mnd would take a backward step so it's a moot point, what we are talking about is how a socialist prefers to move forward ie not at the cost of your peers but with them at your side (sort of).

[Deppo]

Socialists = hunter/gatherers.

 

The b*stards.

[Big John]

that capital 'S' makes a world of difference though.

[Special K]

Fair play to him if he's earned a few bob. Doesn't matter what his political views are and in any case, these shouldn't stop him operating in a capitalist system, he's just enjoying the fruits of his labours. What i fail to understand is that he's managed to earn a few quid when he's ****ing crap, but hey ho.

[Fowllyd]

I was watching an arctic documentary on bbc 2 last night, you may have seen it, it was about Greenland and how the inuits lives have changed rapidly over the past decade or so because of mineral exploration. One of the inuits was employed by Cairn Energy (who I have chosen to invest in) and when asked whether he prefer his old hunter gather life or his life working for Cairn Energy he said he prefers his life now because he can pay his rent, his phone bill, feed his family. That is capitalism at work. That is what poor people in third world countries want. I am doing far more for these people by investing in companys operating in their country than any left winger will do rattling a tin.

 

No you aren't. Buying shares in a company is not the same as investing in that company, unless the shares in question are part of a new issue (debenture), which in this case I assume they are not. All you are doing is buying some shares from a third party; no money goes to the company whose shares you own. The only thing you're investing in is your own bank balance, assuming of course that you sell those shares at a profit.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I was watching an arctic documentary on bbc 2 last night, you may have seen it, it was about Greenland and how the inuits lives have changed rapidly over the past decade or so because of mineral exploration. One of the inuits was employed by Cairn Energy (who I have chosen to invest in) and when asked whether he prefer his old hunter gather life or his life working for Cairn Energy he said he prefers his life now because he can pay his rent, his phone bill, feed his family. That is capitalism at work. That is what poor people in third world countries want. I am doing far more for these people by investing in companys operating in their country than any left winger will do rattling a tin.

 

Ha, trust you to miss out what Bruce Parry (the documentary maker) was really getting at. The reason the Greenlanders needed jobs rather that hunting was because climate change and drastically reduced quotas (resulting from concerns around conservation) meant that making a good living from hunting was no longer possible. It was also noted that Greenland now had the highest suicide rate in the world (whereas a few decades ago it was one of the lowest) and real social problems caused by alcoholism. Also capitalism at work? Also what poor people in the third world want?

[Deppo]

I was watching an arctic documentary on bbc 2 last night, you may have seen it, it was about Greenland and how the inuits lives have changed rapidly over the past decade or so because of mineral exploration. One of the inuits was employed by Cairn Energy (who I have chosen to invest in) and when asked whether he prefer his old hunter gather life or his life working for Cairn Energy he said he prefers his life now because he can pay his rent, his phone bill, feed his family. That is capitalism at work. That is what poor people in third world countries want. I am doing far more for these people by investing in companys operating in their country than any left winger will do rattling a tin.

 

Whooosh!

[Jonnyboy]

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[scotty]

billy bragg imo found a niche matket and made money from it, the fact that he actually has socialist values and wrote songs with themn in mind makes him a decent perosn.

 

if we were talking about phil collins and his touching drivel, another day in paradise you need to know the sond that i am referring to to appreciate how vile it is that HE sings is, then we would be barking up the right tree.

 

leave bb alone unless of course you have a massive chip on your shoulder about socialism actually working.....then carry on talking out of your collective arses.

 

fair comment, but billy bragg is imho unlistenably cr*p. If that sort of thing is your particular bag may I recommend the railway inn in winchester at the end of march, when the mighty john cooper clarke is appearing.

[hamster]

'don't steal cars', was that jcc?

 

the only decent line in the otherwise disgusting crap that is Shirley Valentine.