pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 As much as I enjoy my digital sojourns in the wilds of SaintsWeb, there is one thing about the site that irks me. The swear filter. Personally, swearing has never really bothered me. I have a fifteen-year old daughter who frequently drops the F-Bomb in the house. Whatever. There are worse things that she could be doing at that age. So, back to swearing on SaintsWeb. Why is it banned? What's the point? I mean, you don't have to be able to do the Times crossword to ascertain what f**k means. There have been cases, particularly during our protracted wrangle to get Nige down here, when the swear filter actually degraded the user experience. Anyone posting a link to anything Scunny-related soon found that out. So, in the immortal words of a Master Eric Cartman, "What's the big ****ing deal, *****?". It's not like this site is ToddlersWeb. We're footy fans, and anyone who's been in a ground will have heard it all before. I'd be particularly interested in the views of those who set the policy, but it'd be equally interesting to determine attitudes to swearing across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I have two words to say to you and the second one is 'off'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Just use a substitute word if you want to express your feelings. E.g. Frak, Frell or Budgie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I have a fifteen-year old daughter who frequently drops the F-Bomb in the house. Whatever. There are worse things that she could be doing at that age. I can't believe you'd think that's acceptable behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Frak - the swear word of the future. Will be banned by SaintsWeb in 2049. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Frak - the swear word of the future. Or the very, very distant past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I can't believe you'd think that's acceptable behaviour. Feel free to believe something else, then. From your colourful and entertaining posts, I don't see that as being a stretch. Don't get me wrong, I won't let her swear at people, and she knows better not to do it in front of company, but what's the harm? The fundamental character of desire is wanting what you can't have. There are far bigger battles to win as a parent than stopping a bit of blue language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I'm all in favour of removing the swear filter as well, I suspect it's a legal thing due to the 13+ nature of the site. That and Baj being a fudging kent. I have at least 13 and three quarter years to wait before I'd have to worry about teenagers swearing, so I'm staying out of that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 'F**k you and f**k this f**king place'. Marvellous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 'F**k you and f**k this f**king place'. Marvellous. Frak the frakking thing, the frakking thing is frakked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Personally, I don`t see either the need or the purpose in swearing all of the time. I work on building sites so I use (and am used to) every swear word that you could mention but I think that bad language has a time and place. When I was growing up swearing was shocking because you didn`t hear it all the time, but nowadays the continual and casual use of foul langauge is just annoying and has lost the shock value that it is meant to have. I also find it a bit depressing that people nowadays only seem to be able to express themselves by using swearing and ingnoring most of the thousands of other words in the English language, but hey - that`s me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 They are just words. Nothing more or less. It's the connotation that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 They are just words. Nothing more or less. It's the connotation that matters. Indeed, and on the flip side, it's not impossible to be extremely offensive without cussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Indeed, and on the flip side, it's not impossible to be extremely offensive without cussing. Indeed. That's why the red card offence was changed from 'foul and abusive language' to 'offensive, abusive, or insulting language or gestures'. It is quite possible for one player to swear at another, but if no offence is taken then an offence may not have been committed. On the other hand, you can insult an opponent without swearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 So if, as a couple of people have mentioned, it's all about context - why the blanket ban on swearing? SaintsWeb rightly has a policy in place for racism and has moderators. Why must we make S****horpe a four star location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Sclungethorpe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Scarpetburgerthorpe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Scarpetburgerthorpe Completely proved my point. I'm sure that carpetburger is perfectly offensive. (do they come with buns?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 My daughter is 9, and has been a quite a few Saints games, at which many Saints fans and myself swear my head off and get very angry. I have told her that in the football ground it is fine for adults, but she must not repeat any of it outside the ground, and she does not say any of it at all. Now she is 9, but when she gets a little older, I will not be to bothered about her swearing at all, but if she ever swears at school, at a teacher, or in front of any of the family then I would not allow it. I think people get to worked up about the wrong things. Swearing, drinking and drugs seem to be top of the agenda when it comes to children. Now I have done all of these things and still do. The main reason in my early teens from 14 onwards I used to drink until I passed out, smoked enough puff until I ate the whole of the biscuit section of Safeway or the local garage and sweared as much as I could (mostly at football) was because my dad used to go on and on in a very serious way that I should not do these things. My dad was an ex copper (rest his soul) and I was scared of him, but used to rebel against him too. I would go as far as encouraging my daughter to drink with us, and to even try drugs when she is a little older 15/16 but at the house. Come on most kids are going to do it anyway at some point so I would be prefer to be the one to tell her about it than a spotty 14/15 year old guy at a party!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 At what age will you let her do sex? Will this be at the house too, under your supervision and with a lover of your choosing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I would go as far as encouraging my daughter to drink with us, and to even try drugs when she is a little older 15/16 but at the house. Come on most kids are going to do it anyway at some point so I would be prefer to be the one to tell her about it than a spotty 14/15 year old guy at a party!! Crack Cocaine or Heroin first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 last week i asked my grandson to turn his x-box down as his nan was in bed, without even looking up said 'f off'. my jaw dropped but his mum went mental, when i eventually came round his mum was still steaming into him which i (maybe wrongly) found mildly amusing and could not contain a giggle, she the proceded to stare at me, eventually to break the dead-lock she too told me to 'f off' which resulted in all three of us laughing. true story which i feel demonstrates that although we may all have different opinions on kids (and adults) swearing it can be both offensive and amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Crack Cocaine or Heroin first? Oh yes start her on the hard stuff lol. When I talk about drugs I am talking weed mainly.... I would not encourage the hard stuff, but I will talk to her and explain all drugs to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 At what age will you let her do sex? Will this be at the house too, under your supervision and with a lover of your choosing? Sex is never going to happen, but when she is older and if she has a relationship I will let them sleep together under my roof, but again better than her sneaking behind my back with something she is going to want to do, no matter how much I do not want my little girl to grow up, she is going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 last week i asked my grandson to turn his x-box down as his nan was in bed, without even looking up said 'f off'. my jaw dropped but his mum went mental, when i eventually came round his mum was still steaming into him which i (maybe wrongly) found mildly amusing and could not contain a giggle, she the proceded to stare at me, eventually to break the dead-lock she too told me to 'f off' which resulted in all three of us laughing. true story which i feel demonstrates that although we may all have different opinions on kids (and adults) swearing it can be both offensive and amusing. How old is he? You can swear in a joking way and I do all the time as it is all in the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 How old is he? You can swear in a joking way and I do all the time as it is all in the tone. Exactly. As my old man once said, 'There are two types of people in this world - them as can, and them as can't, and you, son, are a cant'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 How old is he? You can swear in a joking way and I do all the time as it is all in the tone. 8, ****ing 8! as i said, i was so shocked that i did not know how to react. the only time that he ever hears me swear is when i am speaking to mrs h. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 btw, he did not say **** off , he said 'f off' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 (edited) I sat in the itchen corner with one of my 6 year old twin daughters last week, which is probably not the best place to take young kids, especially at the back of block 4. After a rendition of "you skate bastard", she said, "Dad, what's a skate?". I presume she knows the meaning of bastard. Edited 6 January, 2011 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Frak the frakking thing, the frakking thing is frakked. Been out with Starbuck again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Anyway, perhaps one of the most interesting and colorful words in the English language is the word "****". It is the one magical word, which, just by its sound, can describe pain, pleasure, love, and hate. In language, "****" falls into many grammatical catagories. It can be used as a verb, both transitive (John ****ed Mary) and intransitive (Mary was ****ed by John). It can be an active verb (John really gives a ****) or passive verb ( Mary really doesn't give a ****) ; or an adverb (Mary is ****ing interested in John), and as a noun (Mary is a terrific ****). It can be used as an adjective (Mary is ****ing beautiful). As you can see, there are very few words with versitility of "****" .Besides its sexual connotations this incredible word can be used to describe many situations: Greetings----------------------How the **** are you? Fraud--------------------------I got ****ed by the car dealer. Dismay-------------------------Oh, **** it! Trouble------------------------Well, I guess I'm ****ed now. Aggression---------------------**** You! Disgust------------------------**** Me! Confusion----------------------What the ****-------? Difficulty-----------------------I don't understand this ****ing question. Dispair------------------------****ed again. Incompetence-------------------He ****s up everthing. Displeasure--------------------What the **** is going on here? Lost---------------------------Where the **** are we? Disbelief----------------------Un****ingbelievable! Retaliation--------------------Up your ****ing ass! It can be used to tell time---------------------It's five ****ing thirty! It can be used in an anatomical description-----He's a ****ing ****! It can be used in bussiness--------------------How the **** did I wind up with this job? It can be maternal---------------------------- as in "Mother****er" It can be politcal------------------------------ "**** Clegg" And never forget General Custer's last words -------------------------------------------- "Where did all them ****ing indians come from?" Also, the famous last words of the mayor of Hiroshima ----------------------------------- "What the **** was that?" And, last, but not least, the immortal words of the captain of the Titanic, who said, ------- "Where is all this ****ing water coming from?" The mind fairly boggles at the many creative uses of the word. How can anyone be offended when you say "****"? Use it frequently in your speech and it will add to your fame and prestige. Today say to someone- "**** YOU" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 De Puta Madre. Cabron. Cono. Those are three highly offensive Spanish words, mostly corresponding to "son of a b-t-h", b--t--d, and c--t'. If these phrases pass through undisturbed, does that mean that it's okay for Spaniards to come on here and insult us uncensored, while we fire back with our neutered blanks? What happens if we suddenly develop a beef with a Spanish team? Or worse still, a group of Spaniards become deranged and become Spanish Pompey fans? And it's not just Spain either. At the very least, anyone with a Western-based character set can come on here and call us c--ts, and there's nothing we can do about it. Yet another compelling argument for the removal of the swear ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 And brilliant! 知 道 The Chinese can insult us too! (although that's not a swearword - I copied and pasted the text from Baidu's homepage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 'F**k you and f**k this f**king place'. Marvellous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Sex is never going to happen, but when she is older and if she has a relationship I will let them sleep together under my roof, but again better than her sneaking behind my back with something she is going to want to do, no matter how much I do not want my little girl to grow up, she is going to. What if she is in a relationship when she's older and you can hear her boyfriend saying to her, through the bedroom wall in your house, "come on darling, let's do it up the sh*tter"? Would you be alright with that? (and to clarify, in this sceanrio he is asking her to f*ck him up the ass with a strap-on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 What if she is in a relationship when she's older and you can hear her boyfriend saying to her, through the bedroom wall in your house, "come on darling, let's do it up the sh*tter"? Would you be alright with that? (and to clarify, in this sceanrio he is asking her to f*ck him up the ass with a strap-on) Your mum must be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I had a whinge about this on that stuwall house of fun thread. Not only is their swear filter conspicuous by its absence, but when a mod deleted a couple of posts he immediately got slated for it and explained "it was just two members c*nting each other" hahahaa, I can just see Steve Grant or Baj taking that line. Mores the pity imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I'm sorry pap. I got carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Been out with Starbuck again? Yeah. Kara says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 What if she is in a relationship when she's older and you can hear her boyfriend saying to her, through the bedroom wall in your house, "come on darling, let's do it up the sh*tter"? Would you be alright with that? (and to clarify, in this sceanrio he is asking her to f*ck him up the ass with a strap-on) I will ignore this one and just hope that it never come up in my life!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 prior to my daughter getting wed the girls decided it would be fun to give then both a 'Mr & Mrs' style questionairre to see if how well they knew each other. Nipper was a bit coy and unbeknown to me the fool typed his answers on my computer. I found the document one day after the ceremony and curiosity got the better of me. All started quite innocently, where did you meet? what's her favourite drink? etc, then came the more in-depth stuff, I will spare you the detail, suffice to say i was mortified and in all honesty I was proper shocked by his answers...our little princess!!!! Took me quite some time to be able to look her in the eye after that but when I told mrs h, who was there at the hen night when they were read out, of my fatal discovery she just said 'well, hammy it's a blessing they didn't ask YOU the same questions' I blushed and we lolled. true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 My daughter is 9, and has been a quite a few Saints games, at which many Saints fans and myself swear my head off and get very angry. I have told her that in the football ground it is fine for adults, but she must not repeat any of it outside the ground, and she does not say any of it at all. Now she is 9, but when she gets a little older, I will not be to bothered about her swearing at all, but if she ever swears at school, at a teacher, or in front of any of the family then I would not allow it. I think people get to worked up about the wrong things. Swearing, drinking and drugs seem to be top of the agenda when it comes to children. Now I have done all of these things and still do. The main reason in my early teens from 14 onwards I used to drink until I passed out, smoked enough puff until I ate the whole of the biscuit section of Safeway or the local garage and sweared as much as I could (mostly at football) was because my dad used to go on and on in a very serious way that I should not do these things. My dad was an ex copper (rest his soul) and I was scared of him, but used to rebel against him too. I would go as far as encouraging my daughter to drink with us, and to even try drugs when she is a little older 15/16 but at the house. Come on most kids are going to do it anyway at some point so I would be prefer to be the one to tell her about it than a spotty 14/15 year old guy at a party!! Good to remember that it doesn't always turn out that way. My parents were strict but I rarely feel the need to swear and I don't take drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 Drink lots though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 De Puta Madre. Cabron. Cono. Those are three highly offensive Spanish words, mostly corresponding to "son of a b-t-h", b--t--d, and c--t'. If these phrases pass through undisturbed, does that mean that it's okay for Spaniards to come on here and insult us uncensored, while we fire back with our neutered blanks? What happens if we suddenly develop a beef with a Spanish team? Or worse still, a group of Spaniards become deranged and become Spanish Pompey fans? And it's not just Spain either. At the very least, anyone with a Western-based character set can come on here and call us c--ts, and there's nothing we can do about it. Yet another compelling argument for the removal of the swear ban I think you mean 'terrible argument', as those words may be signifiers, but they do not have signifieds attached to them for 99.9% of posters on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 (edited) I've really never understood why people get so offended by the F word. Really, what's so bad about it? It's just a word for f***'s sake! People don't get offended at hearing the word duck, or luck, or muck, so clearly it isn't the sound or cadence of the word that offends. Neither do the same people get offended by hearing ****, or make love to, or have sex with, so it isn't the connotation of it either. So what exactly is it about that one particular word that people get so uppity about? I guess it comes down to social conditioning or just plain snobbery. Edited 6 January, 2011 by Sheaf Saint The swear filter even edits the word S H A G? What's the world coming to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 you hear far worser words on the news. i was watching the news toady about someone who got murdered, i'd much rather be ****ed than murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 you hear far worser words on the news. i was watching the news toady about someone who got murdered, i'd much rather be ****ed than murdered. If you're talking to Stu, he's banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 6 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2011 I think you mean 'terrible argument', as those words may be signifiers, but they do not have signifieds attached to them for 99.9% of posters on here. How dismissive you are of our potential collective multilingual potential. I'm sure many of us know foreign swear words. Knowing how to tell a Frenchman to "f--k off" was an extra-curricular highlight of my secondary education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 6 January, 2011 Share Posted 6 January, 2011 my polish grandad used to swear at my nan in polish in front of us, at the time didn't know what he was saying but we knew it was not nice by his tone. 'ashty korva' or something like that iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Probably the most heroic example of the use of the F-word was when Bryony Shaw was interviewed live on the BBC after her bronze medal in the sailing at the Beijing Olympics. Mercifully the sound track has been uploaded to You Tube for all of us to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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