Leon Best

[Window Cleaner]

Idiotkez would probably have missed, one of our worst signings ever. No-one should have let Best take a pen under such pressure, at least he had the guts to step up when all of our experienced players bottled it. As usual we put all the effort into making Best into a good player and then let him go when he is finally coming good.

 

I don't think it was a case of us "letting him go". I seem to remember he was desperate to leave.Just signed for Coventry anyway and let the tribunal sort the fee out.

[Thedelldays]

. Maybe that mean us fans really don't have a ****ing clue...........

not really..some players just dont get it at certain clubs..

 

fuller for us was generally poor....why..? god knows..but for Stoke at this time, he is very good

Beattie was farking excellent for saints...why..? god knows..but for everton, they could not wait to ship him out.

 

 

some players are just very good no matter what or where they go...and many more players just click at certain clubs...

 

fans can only comment on how these players perform at their clubs...delap, was generally shyt with a few good spells.....yet is a kep player at stoke...

 

just happens like that

[Wade Garrett]

Idiotkez would probably have missed, one of our worst signings ever. No-one should have let Best take a pen under such pressure, at least he had the guts to step up when all of our experienced players bottled it. As usual we put all the effort into making Best into a good player and then let him go when he is finally coming good.

 

I agree, the thought of a centre-forward taking a penalty is ridiculous.

[doddisalegend]

not really..some players just dont get it at certain clubs..

 

fuller for us was generally poor....why..? god knows..but for Stoke at this time, he is very good

Beattie was farking excellent for saints...why..? god knows..but for everton, they could not wait to ship him out.

 

some players are just very good no matter what or where they go...and many more players just click at certain clubs...

 

fans can only comment on how these players perform at their clubs...delap, was generally shyt with a few good spells.....yet is a kep player at stoke...

 

just happens like that

 

That begs the question why are we incapable of getting the best out of certain players? Maybe the fanbase have something to do with it, Puncheon seems like a new player now he is away from the SMS boo boys, Fuller was another that was never given much of a chance by the fans.

[Wade Garrett]

If none of that had happened we'd probably still have Mr Lowe at the helm....

 

Perhaps we should be thanking Leon Best rather than struggling to forgive him...?

 

;-)

 

Do you think. If we had got promoted that season, there is no chance that Wilde would have sloped into the background and plotted with Lowe.

[Thedelldays]

That begs the question why are we incapable of getting the best out of certain players? Maybe the fanbase have something to do with it, Puncheon seems like a new player now he is away from the SMS boo boys, Fuller was another that was never given much of a chance by the fans.

of course the fans dont help at times...for years we have had a negative vocal minority that have been proved wrong time and time again...but also, it just happens...it happens at every club

 

fracis jeffers.....banging them in at everton, could not score in a brothel at the might arsenal...

kerry dixon...great chelsea striker...pure shyt for saints..

[Turkish]

of course the fans dont help at times...for years we have had a negative vocal minority that have been proved wrong time and time again...but also, it just happens...it happens at every club

 

fracis jeffers.....banging them in at everton, could not score in a brothel at the might arsenal...

kerry dixon...great chelsea striker...pure shyt for saints..

 

Best wasn't good enough for us, just like Delap, Blackstock, puncheon, Higgingbotham, Jones, Fuller the list goes on. Yet all these players are playing in leagues above the one we are in. It cant just be conincidence that so many players fail to perform for Saints and then go onto better things. Every player we have has been slagged off this season on here and inside SMS, even when we were winning 4-1 against Huddersfield dinlows were shouting "come on, get a grip" Honestly, some of our fans are complete divs.

[thesaint sfc]

There seriously is not a footballer I hate more than Leon Best.

[SaintNeil90]

Best wasn't good enough for us, just like Delap, Blackstock, puncheon, Higgingbotham, Jones, Fuller the list goes on. Yet all these players are playing in leagues above the one we are in. It cant just be conincidence that so many players fail to perform for Saints and then go onto better things. Every player we have has been slagged off this season on here and inside SMS, even when we were winning 4-1 against Huddersfield dinlows were shouting "come on, get a grip" Honestly, some of our fans are complete divs.

 

Jones? When did anyone say he wasn't good enough. I remember him scoring loads, being a real handful and us not wanting him to leave!

[Lighthouse]

Best wasn't good enough for us, just like Delap, Blackstock, puncheon, Higgingbotham, Jones, Fuller the list goes on. Yet all these players are playing in leagues above the one we are in. It cant just be conincidence that so many players fail to perform for Saints and then go onto better things. Every player we have has been slagged off this season on here and inside SMS, even when we were winning 4-1 against Huddersfield dinlows were shouting "come on, get a grip" Honestly, some of our fans are complete divs.

 

What about all the players who played well for Saints, then flopped when they went somewhere else? Kevin Davies, James Beattie, Fabrice Fernandes, Dean Richards, Stern John, Gregorz Rasiak, Antti Niemi. Even in recent times Dan Harding and Jon Otsemobor were unwanted by their previous clubs, then came here and did a decent job.

 

If you trawl through all the clubs in Europe you could find thousands of players who've done it for one team but not another. Clearly some people are desperate to believe it's just us and that are fans are all c**ts, but that isn't the case. Some of the examples you've named are bogus anyway. Jones was good enough, he just went on strike when a big money premiership move came up. Higgy I believe wanted to live further North, Puncheon was good enough, but clearly there is an attitude problem there. Delap was sh*te for about 2 years before he left and needed a fresh start. Blackstock moved on. He was nothing special and still isn't.

Edited 6 January, 2011 by Lighthouse

[Turkish]

What about all the players who played well for Saints, then flopped when they went somewhere else? Kevin Davies, James Beattie, Fabrice Fernandes, Dean Richards, Stern John, Gregorz Rasiak, Antti Niemi. Even in recent times Dan Harding and Jon Otsemobor were unwanted by their previous clubs, then came here and did a decent job.

 

If you trawl through all the clubs in Europe you could find thousands of players who've done it for one team but not another. Clearly some people are desperate to believe it's just us and that are fans are all c**ts, but that isn't the case. Some of the examples you've named are bogus anyway. Jones was good enough, he just went on strike when a big money premiership move came up. Higgy I believe wanted to live further North, Puncheon was good enough, but clearly there is an attitude problem there. Delap was sh*te for about 2 years before he left and needed a fresh start. Blackstock moved on. He was nothing special and still isn't.

 

lol, Kevin davies has really flopped hasn't he! I guess you missed the fact he recently played for England and has played top flight football ever since he first signed for us in 1997, not bad for a flop that. Beattie hardly flopped at Stoke & Sheff Utd and was recently playing in the champions league for Rangers. Again Niemi was hardly a flop at Fulham was he where he finished his career due to injury.

It amuses me all these players that our fans think are sh*t and have left would probably have the makings of at least a midtable championship side and are playing at a higher level and as for your comment about Blackstock i wouldn't mind having a "nothing special" Dexter Blackstock playing up front for us right now.

Edited 6 January, 2011 by Turkish

[Turkish]

Jones? When did anyone say he wasn't good enough. I remember him scoring loads, being a real handful and us not wanting him to leave!

 

Leave it out, the fans used to slag Jones off all the time when he was here! Another one whose stock has risen dramatically since he left when fans said he was sh*t when he was here.

[Lighthouse]

lol, Kevin davies has really flopped hasn't he! I guess you missed the fact he recently played for England and has played top flight football ever since he first signed for us in 1997, not bad for a flop that. Beattie hardly flopped at Stoke & Sheff Utd and was recently playing in the champions league for Rangers. Again Niemi was hardly a flop at Fulham was he. It amuses me all these players that our fans think are sh*t and have left would probably have the makings of a midtable championship side and are playing at a higher level and as for your comment about Blackstock i wouldn't mind having a "nothing special" Dexter Blackstock playing up front for us.

 

When KD left the first time he was a top player, but after a year at Blackburn they sold him back for a tenth of what they sold him for. Then he came back here and couldn't recapture his form from the first spell, left, then found his feet after a couple of seasons at Bolton.

 

Beattie got in the England team with us, but has never been close since leaving. His first season at Everton was a nightmare, he improved after that but never set the League alight. He had a good season after dropping to the Championship, but when he went back to the Prem with Stoke he was pretty average. Now he can't get a game for love or money at Rangers.

 

Niemi did alright for Fulham, but I'd say he was the best 'keeper in the Premier League for us in '03/'04.

 

Why can't you accept that certain players do it at one club and not another? Why does the solution have to be, "the fans are all c**ts"?

[Thedelldays]

it happens to all clubs..

 

forlan was turd at man u...yet frikkin awesome else where....

 

this could go round in circles...

[Turkish]

When KD left the first time he was a top player, but after a year at Blackburn they sold him back for a tenth of what they sold him for. Then he came back here and couldn't recapture his form from the first spell, left, then found his feet after a couple of seasons at Bolton.

 

Beattie got in the England team with us, but has never been close since leaving. His first season at Everton was a nightmare, he improved after that but never set the League alight. He had a good season after dropping to the Championship, but when he went back to the Prem with Stoke he was pretty average. Now he can't get a game for love or money at Rangers.

 

Niemi did alright for Fulham, but I'd say he was the best 'keeper in the Premier League for us in '03/'04.

 

Why can't you accept that certain players do it at one club and not another? Why does the solution have to be, "the fans are all c**ts"?

 

Of course you are totally unbiased about Niemi aren't you, what about Fridel, Van Der Saar,Jens Lehman, Paul Robinson? Not bad that season, but we didn't see them every week so difficult to make the bold statement he was the best goalkeeper in the country.

 

Kevin Davies wasn't a "top player" when we signed him the first time, he was a young striker with one years top flight exeperience when he went to Blackburn, second time round the fans were on his back all the time. I remember on here constant posts about how he had been seen out drinking and why was he doing this when he was so sh*t for us.

 

And as for Beattie, well he was never and England player in the first place and i am not saying that in hindsight, i said it at the time

 

I can fully except some players do well at some clubs and not at another, but it cant just be coincidence that so many players slated by the fans on here and on a match day leave and go onto better things and playing at a higher level when we have sunk like a stone. What other club have so many ex players, deemed not good enough by our fans playing in the championship and premier league? It was also under a succession of managers, chairman, coaches etc, they cant all have a Puncheon like attitude problem or all want to move back up north. The only common denominator is the fans.

[Thedelldays]

chris sutton...excellent at title winning blackbrun.

 

shyt at chelsea

[Lighthouse]

Of course you are totally unbiased about Niemi aren't you, what about Fridel, Van Der Saar,Jens Lehman, Paul Robinson? Not bad that season, but we didn't see them every week so difficult to make the bold statement he was the best goalkeeper in the country.

 

Kevin Davies wasn't a "top player" when we signed him the first time, he was a young striker with one years top flight exeperience when he went to Blackburn, second time round the fans were on his back all the time. I remember on here constant posts about how he had been seen out drinking and why was he doing this when he was so sh*t for us.

 

And as for Beattie, well he was never and England player in the first place and i am not saying that in hindsight, i said it at the time

 

I can fully except some players do well at some clubs and not at another, but it cant just be coincidence that so many players slated by the fans on here and on a match day leave and go onto better things and playing at a higher level when we have sunk like a stone. What other club have so many ex players, deemed not good enough by our fans playing in the championship and premier league? It was also under a succession of managers, chairman, coaches etc, they cant all have a Puncheon like attitude problem or all want to move back up north. The only common denominator is the fans.

 

Maybe some of us are biased in thinking Niemi was the best that season, although he did have the highest percentage of shots on target saved in the Premier League that season (about 80% I think it was).

 

I'm not going to go around in circles arguing about this. Yes there have been Saints players who have been crap and done it elsewhere. Conversely there have been a lot of players who have been unwanted elsewhere, then come good at Saints. The half dosen dubious examples you have given aren't enough to convince me St Mary's is a graveyard for promising football careers. Of the players you have named, only Fuller and Delap have been 'unwanted' and gone on to better things. We actually made a proffit on Fuller when we signed him, so it's hardly as if it all went wrong for him here. £90k shows just how highly Pompey rated him.

[Saint_clark]

Leave it out, the fans used to slag Jones off all the time when he was here! Another one whose stock has risen dramatically since he left when fans said he was sh*t when he was here.

 

He was sh*t in our first season in the CCC, went to the world cup and came back a much better player. The play-off season everyone rated him.

[Turkish]

Maybe some of us are biased in thinking Niemi was the best that season, although he did have the highest percentage of shots on target saved in the Premier League that season (about 80% I think it was).

 

I'm not going to go around in circles arguing about this. Yes there have been Saints players who have been crap and done it elsewhere. Conversely there have been a lot of players who have been unwanted elsewhere, then come good at Saints. The half dosen dubious examples you have given aren't enough to convince me St Mary's is a graveyard for promising football careers. Of the players you have named, only Fuller and Delap have been 'unwanted' and gone on to better things. We actually made a proffit on Fuller when we signed him, so it's hardly as if it all went wrong for him here. £90k shows just how highly Pompey rated him.

 

I am not saying he wasn't the best, but you cant judge one player you "support" and see every week with one you've only seen a handful of times, your view will always be biased. It was like the "Beattie for England" campaign, no way was Beattie an international player, but because he was one of ours many though he was, a biased view. And these people that say we should get shot of Hammond and sign xxxx player, who they may have seen play once and think based on that one game he is the answer to our supposed midfield problems. i am sure if you asked Peterborough fans who saw Hammonds performance again them if they'd sign him they'd bite your hand off.

 

The other point Is quite simple, St Marys obviously isn't the grave yard of promsing careers. In fact i recomend it for any young player with a bit of an ego as they'll all be torn apart and brought back down to earth. what have all the following players got in common? Delap, Blackstock, Higginbotham, Jones, Telfer, Fuller, Stephen Crainey, Ormerod, Kevin Davies, Euell, & Puncheon. Answer, they were all the whipping boys of the crowd and deemed by our fans not good enough for us yet are all playing or played at a higher level after leaving, in Telfers case the champions league. This cant be because all of these players are sh*t, they obviously aren't, but maybe our fans dont know as much as they like to think they do.

Edited 6 January, 2011 by Turkish

[Turkish]

He was sh*t in our first season in the CCC, went to the world cup and came back a much better player. The play-off season everyone rated him.

 

the blokes that sat round me didn't and the i would say this board wasn't his biggest fan either.

[Thedelldays]

equally..there is no way telfer was CL standard

[Turkish]

equally..there is no way telfer was CL standard

 

maybe not, but he still played at a higher level after leaving us and was the boo boy of the crowd for a while, underservedly IMO, every team needs a Paul Telfer type player.

[Saints foreva]

Lol AP puts the final nail in Avram Grunts' coffin

 

Blackburn can turn Woy over without Ronaldinho, perhaps Comoli was looking at a new CB - Fonte

 

Shame he couldn't do that last season...

[Thedelldays]

maybe not, but he still played at a higher level after leaving us and was the boo boy of the crowd for a while, underservedly IMO, every team needs a Paul Telfer type player.

 

he played in the CL by default.....by the nature of the league he joined was turd....I would say that the league he joined was no way a higher level than the premiership..

 

colin kazim-richards plays CL football..yet I bet he would struggle to get into many PL teams...hence why he is there in the first place

[Turkish]

he played in the CL by default.....by the nature of the league he joined was turd....I would say that the league he joined was no way a higher level than the premiership..

 

colin kazim-richards plays CL football..yet I bet he would struggle to get into many PL teams...hence why he is there in the first place

 

Regardless of how he got there he still played at a higher level and Strachan deemed him good enough to sign him 3 times and play for one of the biggest clubs in Europe. Not good enough for us though.

[Thedelldays]

Regardless of how he got there he still played at a higher level and Strachan deemed him good enough to sign him 3 times and play for one of the biggest clubs in Europe. Not good enough for us though.

 

 

djimi traore was one of the worst premier league defenders I have ever seen....he was good enough for Liverpool and has a champions league winning medal..there is no way on god green earth I think he is a better player than what killer was..

[Turkish]

djimi traore was one of the worst premier league defenders I have ever seen....he was good enough for Liverpool and has a champions league winning medal..there is no way on god green earth I think he is a better player than what killer was..

 

what has that got to do with anything? The fans loved Killer, he wasn't slagged off in the stand and on here left and went onto prove everyone wrong and where is Traore now? Not playing for Man Utd or Barcelona, or Inter Milan,or another current champions league winner. He is playing for Monaco, so his career has quite rightly gone down hill.

[Thedelldays]

what has that got to do with anything? The fans loved Killer, he wasn't slagged off in the stand and on here left and went onto prove everyone wrong.

just shows that shyt players do OK when surrounded by very good ones...

just shows that some players some how, make it to higher levels than other very good ones..

 

telfer was not a very good player...steady at best.

[Turkish]

just shows that shyt players do OK when surrounded by very good ones...

just shows that some players some how, make it to higher levels than other very good ones..

 

telfer was not a very good player...steady at best.

 

So you are saying that all the players that left us and are now playing at a higher level are now surrounded by world beaters who made them look good? Okay then! Is the Blackpool side containing Crainey and Ormerod better than our cup final side? Or for that matter the current Stoke team which Delap plays in.

 

And your point about Telfer is exactly what i'd expect on here, he is a good player because he was steady. The sort of player every team needs to allow the players with skill to perform. A 6 out of 10 consistant rather than a 9 one week and a 4 the next.

[saintwarwick]

That begs the question why are we incapable of getting the best out of certain players? Maybe the fanbase have something to do with it, Puncheon seems like a new player now he is away from the SMS boo boys, Fuller was another that was never given much of a chance by the fans.

 

Fuller was ****e for the first 8 months of his time as SMS, it wasn't till the April that he actually started scoring more frequently, 6 goals in 6 games, before that only 3 goals in about 25 appearances. How long do you give a player before you decide when you realise this "paid" star doesn't actually give a ****.

[Thedelldays]

So you are saying that all the players that left us and are now playing at a higher level are now surrounded by world beaters who made them look good? O.

did I say that at all..? was saying Telfer was not very good...by saying he was because of his default CL games from his mate does not make him a good player..

 

I agree totally that many players leave here after gotten jip from our fans...but that happens all over football..the examples are everywhere...I guess that is part of football

[Turkish]

did I say that at all..? was saying Telfer was not very good...by saying he was because of his default CL games from his mate does not make him a good player..

 

I agree totally that many players leave here after gotten jip from our fans...but that happens all over football..the examples are everywhere...I guess that is part of football

 

err, yes you did. "just shows that shyt players do OK when surrounded by very good ones..."

 

Delap and co seem to be doing very nicely thank you in teams not as good as the ones they played in when they were apparantly so sh*t.

[saintwarwick]

Idiotkez would probably have missed, one of our worst signings ever. No-one should have let Best take a pen under such pressure, at least he had the guts to step up when all of our experienced players bottled it. As usual we put all the effort into making Best into a good player and then let him go when he is finally coming good.

 

Best wanted to take the penalty and nothing to do with others bottling it, it's what strikers like doing taking penalties apart from the fact he missed it. Not saying he was a good player just don't blame others for bottling it when in fact it was a striker wanting to take the spot kick, whatever next, a goalie wanting to make saves

[Thedelldays]

err, yes you did. "just shows that shyt players do OK when surrounded by very good ones..."

 

Delap and co seem to be doing very nicely thank you in teams not as good as the ones they played in when they were apparantly so sh*t.

did I say all shyt players..or all players...or the word ALL..?

 

it happens...nothing specific to saints...it happens..

delap was shyt for us in general...why that was, who knows...

[Turkish]

Best wanted to take the penalty and nothing to do with others bottling it, it's what strikers like doing taking penalties apart from the fact he missed it. Not saying he was a good player just don't blame others for bottling it when in fact it was a striker wanting to take the spot kick, whatever next, a goalie wanting to make saves

 

and for all the idiots who are critising on him for that own goal, that was an absolute freak that if he did that 1,000,000 other times would never happen, unfortunately the timing of it cost us promotion. Hardly his fault.

[Turkish]

did I say all shyt players..or all players...or the word ALL..?

 

it happens...nothing specific to saints...it happens..

delap was shyt for us in general...why that was, who knows...

 

Well they were all sh*t for us and all doing okay at a higher level so it must mean that all the other players around them must be amazing.

 

Was Delap really sh*t for us or is it more that fans didn't take to him because he wasn't Maradona. He was a hard working, industrious, energetic player in midfield, ironically what some were moaning about the other day that we need. I have to admit i didn't rate him as a right back but even so was he really as bad as everyone seems to think? Stoke dont think so. But considering you think him and Telfer, 2 of our 5 midfielders from our cup final season who played regularly were sh*t (i seem to remember people saying Oakley and Svenson were sh*t as well at the time so the only good one we had was Marsden) its a wonder we finished where we did.

[saintwarwick]

and for all the idiots who are critising on him for that own goal, that was an absolute freak that if he did that 1,000,000 other times would never happen, unfortunately the timing of it cost us promotion. Hardly his fault.

 

I agree it was a freak of a goal rather an own goal, some people see it as a means to batter Best when in fact it could of happened to anyone. Doesn't make Best any good though just unlucky on this occasion.

[Lighthouse]

what have all the following players got in common? Delap, Blackstock, Higginbotham, Jones, Telfer, Fuller, Stephen Crainey, Ormerod, Kevin Davies, Euell, & Puncheon. Answer, they were all the whipping boys of the crowd and deemed by our fans not good enough for us yet are all playing or played at a higher level after leaving, in Telfers case the champions league. This cant be because all of these players are sh*t, they obviously aren't, but maybe our fans dont know as much as they like to think they do.

 

1. They aren't whipping boys. There were probably only about 40-50 muppets out of an average crowd of 20,000 odd. Please stop taring our fan base with a brush that should only be used on less than 1% of Saints fans.

 

2. For ever player you name who has gone on to better things, there are probably 10 who've gone on to do absolutely bugger all. You've basically named about 10 players over the last decade or so. There are dosens of Jason Dodds, Jermaine Wrights and Neil McCanns who haven't left us to go and win the Champions League.

[saintwarwick]

did I say all shyt players..or all players...or the word ALL..?

 

it happens...nothing specific to saints...it happens..

delap was shyt for us in general...why that was, who knows...

 

Delap wasn't that bad and no worse than some others around him, he was always being swapped about going from midfield to right back so was never settled and we didn't utilise his long throw in as much as it's used these days for Stoke.

[Turkish]

1. They aren't whipping boys. There were probably only about 40-50 muppets out of an average crowd of 20,000 odd. Please stop taring our fan base with a brush that should only be used on less than 1% of Saints fans.

 

2. For ever player you name who has gone on to better things, there are probably 10 who've gone on to do absolutely bugger all. You've basically named about 10 players over the last decade or so. There are dosens of Jason Dodds, Jermaine Wrights and Neil McCanns who haven't left us to go and win the Champions League.

 

lol! Have a day off, you could hear the groans everytime Fuller got the ball from Basingstoke. Same with puncheon, he was slagged off after every game on here.

 

2. How you can compare Jason Dodd with those two is laughable. A club legend who played for us for most of his career or a couple of average players who lasted a season. I am not saying we haven't had our fair share of bad players, but its as equally funny and annoying at the amount of jip some of our players get who then go onto better things. And even you have to admit there are plenty of them.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Harry Redknapp was a crap Manager for us, that's a fact. It's also a fact that people like Fuller, Crainey, McCann and Euall were also crap, no matter what they went on to do later. It's not really the supporters fault is it?

[Thedelldays]

Well they were all sh*t for us and all doing okay at a higher level so it must mean that all the other players around them must be amazing.

 

Was Delap really sh*t for us or is it more that fans didn't take to him because he wasn't Maradona. He was a hard working, industrious, energetic player in midfield, ironically what some were moaning about the other day that we need. I have to admit i didn't rate him as a right back but even so was he really as bad as everyone seems to think? Stoke dont think so. But considering you think him and Telfer, 2 of our 5 midfielders from our cup final season who played regularly were sh*t (i seem to remember people saying Oakley and Svenson were sh*t as well at the time so the only good one we had was Marsden) its a wonder we finished where we did.

 

they are doing ok at a higher level as we have dropped quite a bit....like I said, for one reason or another delap was generally poor for us..

 

those reasons being

 

loads of managers

style of play not suited to him

poor form

moving around in different positions..

etc etc

 

but he was poor....when fans see that, they are hardly going to blame themselves (when some should) and just react to poorness of the pitch

 

arry redknapp..terrible manager for us but brilliant at pompey and now spurs...why is that..? just happens as people in football are not suited in certain situations...does not help when said club is on the way down with a chairman that had lost it

 

 

I agree that too many players get stick...morgan gets it when he is clearly talented..some games I think he played well, always wanting the ball and not often giving it away etc..only to come on here to look at so many posts slating him..

 

I dont think Guly is all that..yes he has done well but lets see if it is a purple patch...

 

just opinions

Edited 6 January, 2011 by Thedelldays

[saintwarwick]

lol! Have a day off, you could hear the groans everytime Fuller got the ball from Basingstoke. Same with puncheon, he was slagged off after every game on here.

 

2. How you can compare Jason Dodd with those two is laughable. A club legend who played for us for most of his career or a couple of average players who lasted a season. I am not saying we haven't had our fair share of bad players, but its as equally funny and annoying at the amount of jip some of our players get who then go onto better things. And even you have to admit there are plenty of them.

 

Fuller deserved all the flack he got for his wanton disregard over a very long period when pulling on a saints shirt. Puncheon on the other hand was not slagged off after every game as he had some good appearances but as with all players if they have a stinker then they deserve the flak they get as we pay their wages.

[Lighthouse]

lol! Have a day off, you could hear the groans everytime Fuller got the ball from Basingstoke. Same with puncheon, he was slagged off after every game on here.

 

2. How you can compare Jason Dodd with those two is laughable. A club legend who played for us for most of his career or a couple of average players who lasted a season. I am not saying we haven't had our fair share of bad players, but its as equally funny and annoying at the amount of jip some of our players get who then go onto better things. And even you have to admit there are plenty of them.

 

1. You will be surprised how much noise a handful of people can make. I can remember being at the back of the Northam earlier in the season and seeing and hearing people booing Puncheon. It was certainly noticeable to the fans and players, but when you look closer you notice it's actually half a dosen drunk muppets a few rows down, a couple more behind you and a couple more over there somewhere.

 

2. I'm not comparing there ability, that's not my point. I'm saying that we've released several dosen players over the last decade. You're implying that many of them go on to better things because we didn't appreciate them. In reality most of them either retired or went on to a club the same or lower level.

 

You name Crainey. He spent 3 years doing feck all at Leeds after we released him, he was hardly our fault. Same with Ormerod who had some very forgettable spells at Leeds, Wigan, Preston, Forest and Oldham before joining Blackpool.

[Turkish]

1. You will be surprised how much noise a handful of people can make. I can remember being at the back of the Northam earlier in the season and seeing and hearing people booing Puncheon. It was certainly noticeable to the fans and players, but when you look closer you notice it's actually half a dosen drunk muppets a few rows down, a couple more behind you and a couple more over there somewhere.

 

2. I'm not comparing there ability, that's not my point. I'm saying that we've released several dosen players over the last decade. You're implying that many of them go on to better things because we didn't appreciate them. In reality most of them either retired or went on to a club the same or lower level.

 

You name Crainey. He spent 3 years doing feck all at Leeds after we released him, he was hardly our fault. Same with Ormerod who had some very forgettable spells at Leeds, Wigan, Preston, Forest and Oldham before joining Blackpool.

 

I am not imply that, what i am saying is, if you read the earlier posts that all these players who our fans said were sh*t, the boo boys of the crowd, clearly aren't as they are now all playing at a higher level. And it isn't just a few drunken idiots who get on out players backs at the slightest thing. In the itchen against Hudderfield, depsite being 4-1 up against one of our main promotion rivals so bloke was screaming his head off at Gully to get it together. I sat in the Kingsland for Exeter and some dinlows were constantly on Seabournes back. At Daggenham some idiot in front of me was screaming at Jaidi for passing the ball back to Kevlin Davis when under pressure, he'd prefer humping it out for a throw in than possesion football. 3 games, 3 wins, 3 seperate parts of the ground, 3 seperate people getting on the players backs for no reason at all other than a lack of understanding of the game.

 

As for your posts about Gully not being all that, his last 3 games, 3 goals, two assists. If he averages that over the rest of the season i dont care if he is poor for 70 minutes. A certain Matthew Le Tissler wasn't brilliant for 90 minutes every game.

[Thedelldays]

 

As for your posts about Gully not being all that, his last 3 games, 3 goals, two assists. If he averages that over the rest of the season i dont care if he is poor for 70 minutes. A certain Matthew Le Tissler wasn't brilliant for 90 minutes every game.

 

but MLT earned that by being brilliant year upon year upon year...guly has done it for a few weeks...so will hold my judgement..

I still doubt whether he will be here long term anyway...

[Turkish]

but MLT earned that by being brilliant year upon year upon year...guly has done it for a few weeks...so will hold my judgement..

I still doubt whether he will be here long term anyway...

 

as i said Jamie, if he scores an average of a goal a game for the rest of the season, he can be sh*t for 89 minutes for all i care. Not that he has been mind, well at least not everyone thinks that.

[saintwarwick]

I am not imply that, what i am saying is, if you read the earlier posts that all these players who our fans said were sh*t, the boo boys of the crowd, clearly aren't as they are now all playing at a higher level. And it isn't just a few drunken idiots who get on out players backs at the slightest thing. In the itchen against Hudderfield, depsite being 4-1 up against one of our main promotion rivals so bloke was screaming his head off at Gully to get it together. I sat in the Kingsland for Exeter and some dinlows were constantly on Seabournes back. At Daggenham some idiot in front of me was screaming at Jaidi for passing the ball back to Kevlin Davis when under pressure, he'd prefer humping it out for a throw in than possesion football. 3 games, 3 wins, 3 seperate parts of the ground, 3 seperate people getting on the players backs for no reason at all other than a lack of understanding of the game.

 

As for your posts about Gully not being all that, his last 3 games, 3 goals, two assists. If he averages that over the rest of the season i dont care if he is poor for 70 minutes. A certain Matthew Le Tissler wasn't brilliant for 90 minutes every game.

 

Any player can pick 3 consecutive games where the stats look good but try averaging Gully over all his games this season and not just his last 3 games and it doesn't look quite so rosy. Also against Huddersfield he should of scored at least 3 goals and had Barnard been on I reckon he would of buried at least 2 of those chances. Please don't even mention him in the same breathe as MLT.

[Lighthouse]

I am not imply that, what i am saying is, if you read the earlier posts that all these players who our fans said were sh*t, the boo boys of the crowd, clearly aren't as they are now all playing at a higher level. And it isn't just a few drunken idiots who get on out players backs at the slightest thing. In the itchen against Hudderfield, depsite being 4-1 up against one of our main promotion rivals some bloke was screaming his head off at Gully to get it together. I sat in the Kingsland for Exeter and some dinlows were constantly on Seabournes back. At Daggenham some idiot in front of me was screaming at Jaidi for passing the ball back to Kevlin Davis when under pressure, he'd prefer humping it out for a throw in than possesion football. 3 games, 3 wins, 3 seperate parts of the ground, 3 seperate people getting on the players backs for no reason at all other than a lack of understanding of the game.

 

As for your posts about Gully not being all that, his last 3 games, 3 goals, two assists. If he averages that over the rest of the season i dont care if he is poor for 70 minutes. A certain Matthew Le Tissler wasn't brilliant for 90 minutes every game.

 

Your point is a bit of a cliche really. You are saying there are a handful of players who have been unpopular with a section of the crowd and gone on to play at a higher level. I doubt there is a club in the world you couldn't say that about. Everyone has unpopular players, or "boo boys" as you call them. Plus we didn't get from the Premier League to administration in League 1 without having a few bad players along the way. It's inevitable that a few of them get booed, even if I don't agree with it. Go to a game at Liverpool, Chelsea, Preston, Swindon etc. and you'll probably see a few of their players getting slated by a small minority.

 

You've contradicted yourself somewhat with the bits in bold. Saying it's not just a couple of isolated idiots, then going on to name "some bloke... some dinlows... some idiot" spread accross the ground. If you'd said, "The entire chapel was stood up, to a man, arms in the air, all singing 'Puncheon, you're a c**t we all hope you die'" Then you might have a point.

 

Not sure what you're getting at with Guly. He's had three excellent games recently. Good, but not good enough to alter the past.

[Jonnyboy]

not really..some players just dont get it at certain clubs..

 

fuller for us was generally poor....why..? god knows..but for Stoke at this time, he is very good

Beattie was farking excellent for saints...why..? god knows..but for everton, they could not wait to ship him out.

 

 

some players are just very good no matter what or where they go...and many more players just click at certain clubs...

 

fans can only comment on how these players perform at their clubs...delap, was generally shyt with a few good spells.....yet is a kep player at stoke...

 

just happens like that

 

in that case roughly 50% of these players we release should do shyte but the nearly all do better!