The Cat Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Now we know Blackpool aren't that fussed about the game it makes it even more imperative that we put out a strong team. Win and we're in the hat for the 4th round and all the players are confident and can take their 4 game winning streak up to an average Oldham team on Tuesday. Cortese is happy because we have the chance to make extra revenue which is probably not budgeted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Now we know Blackpool aren't that fussed about the game it makes it even more imperative that we put out a strong team. Win and we're in the hat for the 4th round and all the players are confident and can take their 4 game winning streak up to an average Oldham team on Tuesday. Cortese is happy because we have the chance to make extra revenue which is probably not budgeted for. What and risk that the players might be left feeling a bit tired............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Last year I never truly believed we would go up, and was more than happy to put everything in to our cup runs....this year is different. If we don't go up, I feel sure the team will break up as some of the players are too good for this league. That being the case, as long as we don't get humiliated, I really don't care what team we put out for the FA Cup this year. Stuff the extra revenue - we'd make that and more through increased gates (and prices...), tv revenue and sponsorship next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 A premier League second team shouldn't have much of a problem with a League 1 side. It has all the makings to be a cracking game though, both teams play good football, there is no pressure on either side and neither want a replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Now we know Blackpool aren't that fussed about the game it makes it even more imperative that we put out a strong team. Win and we're in the hat for the 4th round and all the players are confident and can take their 4 game winning streak up to an average Oldham team on Tuesday. Cortese is happy because we have the chance to make extra revenue which is probably not budgeted for. I wonder if the cup run money last year enabled us to buy Richardson and Dickson in the summer, both helping us with our promotion push this? As far as anyone knows the club is being run totally within its means, so a cup run and the income it brings may actually be very useful indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 So if you think you can't win something don't bother trying? did you grasp the risk/reward concept....im guessing that so many team apply given the many changes that will happen around the country this weekend.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 did you grasp the risk/reward concept....im guessing that so many team apply given the many changes that will happen around the country this weekend.. I'm of the opinion football teams should try and win every competition they are in I want saints to win stuff be it cups or leagues. We constantly go on about making Southampoton a big club well big clubs manage to compete in both cups and leagues how many times have the likes of Man U or Arsenal done the double (or even triple) thats what we should be aiming for, being winners no matter what the competition success breeds success. As far as I'm concerened in shouldn't be an a one or the other situation we should be out to win everything. The idea we should try and get ourselves knocked out becuase "we won't win it" doesn't sit well with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Stupid to suggest any team fielded by Blackpool will not be able to compete against a L1 side, however I paid good money to see a Prem team play a full strength Saints side. If I thought I was getting anything less than that I might have thought twice about paying for the ticket - I think it is totally disrespectful of Blackpool to us and their own fans to not play a good proportion of their 1st team. We will need to put our 1st choice team out there to stand a chance of competing atall and that's what we should do to retain the winning mentality Adkins has put back into the squad. The last thing the squad needs is to stand humiliated at home in THE cup competition in this country. I am looking forward to us winning this one now...it will be an intruiging match to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disintegration87 Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 an FA Cup run would be great practise for the playoffs if we fail getting automatic promotion this season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 From the pics on the OS it looks like Lallana will be rested/on the bench for this one. (That's if you are a believer of the bibs being the starting 11 theory.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Same starting 11 for the Daggers to play against Oldham mid week. Bring in Schneiderlin for Hammond. Seabourne for Jaidi. Harding and Richardson for Dickson and Butterfield Puncheon for Chamberlain Barnard for Guly. I should be a manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 (edited) Now we know Blackpool aren't that fussed about the game it makes it even more imperative that we put out a strong team. Win and we're in the hat for the 4th round and all the players are confident and can take their 4 game winning streak up to an average Oldham team on Tuesday. Cortese is happy because we have the chance to make extra revenue which is probably not budgeted for. Average? If Oldham win their games in hand they will be 2 points behind us. Lost one at home all season (which was on New Years day). Like I have posted elsewhere I am sure the club are taking the next league game more seriously than some posters on here seem to be Edited 7 January, 2011 by Bucks Saint still asleep after the Ashes...zzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 From the pics on the OS it looks like Lallana will be rested/on the bench for this one. (That's if you are a believer of the bibs being the starting 11 theory.) Ahhh BBT , now when I first noticed this the bibs were the non-starters, since the plan has been exposed it's usually the other way round so it is now Inverted Bib Theory instead of Basic Bib Theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 From the pics on the OS it looks like Lallana will be rested/on the bench for this one. (That's if you are a believer of the bibs being the starting 11 theory.) The bib theory says the line up will be: Davis ? Jaidi Fonte Dickson AOC Morgan Hammond Puncheon Lambert Guly Can't see either Butterfield or Richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Didn't Leeds win at Old Trafford take Spurs to a reply and still win promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Didn't Leeds win at Old Trafford take Spurs to a reply and still win promotion. Their league performance went into freefall after winning at OT. I dont remember the exact stats but I am sure they were top with a decent lead and after OT they failed to win any of the next 7 or 8. OK so yes they did go up but it was tight. I am sat next to an avid Leeds fan and he is in two minds about whether he wants them to win at Arsenal tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 I paid good money to see a Prem team play a full strength Saints side. If I thought I was getting anything less than that I might have thought twice about paying for the ticket - I think it is totally disrespectful of Blackpool to us and their own fans to not play a good proportion of their 1st team. You genuinely believed that Blackpool wouldn't field a second string team before buying your ticket? 'Twas the most likely scenario IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man-of-raisin Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 On the issue of the team, this will be a weaker team than was played versus Villa, and at Villa there were first choices on the bench. On the issue of Cup versus league, you have to remember the situation. The premiership money delivered a new stand to make the ground four-sided. It will also deliver a decent training ground. At the moment the training ground is no different to that which Matthews trained on ... during the recent cold weather, the players had to try the beach as there is no indoor facility. The whole infrstructure is lower league. The stakes for staying in the prem are too high to risk for the outside chance of a trophy. My view is that the team selection for Villa was a mistake as there was a real chance of getting something from a weak Villa side, but almost no-one is arguing against Ollie's approach for this. The team will try to play in the same style as the first team, but it relies on the accuracy of passing from the likes of Adam and Vaughan, and the energy of those upfront (e.g. Varney, Campbell) to pull the defence out of position, which you just aren't going to see tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 The idea we should try and get ourselves knocked out becuase "we won't win it" doesn't sit well with me. Most people who are suggesting that we'd be better off being knocked out are saying it from a strategic point of view, not because they don't think we can win it. I believe we can win this game but my gut feel is that we'd be better off not congesting our league fixtures anymore than we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 holloway just on sky sports news saying massive changes for his team Saturday, a couple of players he'd like to have brought in for this game (from his youngsters) he can't as he's loaned them out as they need to get as many games as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Their league performance went into freefall after winning at OT. I dont remember the exact stats but I am sure they were top with a decent lead and after OT they failed to win any of the next 7 or 8. OK so yes they did go up but it was tight. I am sat next to an avid Leeds fan and he is in two minds about whether he wants them to win at Arsenal tomorrow well then he is a moron of the highest order. ask him if he is going? or how many games he plans on going to this season. The Leeds fans i've come across who actually go to games all see that win at Old Trafford as THE HIGHLIGHT of last season, considering United are one of their major rivals, and the fans were buzzing from that result for weeks afterwards. There is no set formula in football where wins in the cup = drop in performance in the league, for most teams the cup can lift the fan base and create a buzz around the place, for the sake of 2 or 3 extra games it's hardly asking that much of the team. f*ck sake just enjoy the game tomorrow and stop bloody panicing about what might happen if we happen to do well in the competition!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 (edited) ---- ignore Edited 7 January, 2011 by Spudders I am dim sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 well then he is a moron of the highest order. ask him if he is going? or how many games he plans on going to this season. The Leeds fans i've come across who actually go to games all see that win at Old Trafford as THE HIGHLIGHT of last season, considering United are one of their major rivals, and the fans were buzzing from that result for weeks afterwards. There is no set formula in football where wins in the cup = drop in performance in the league, for most teams the cup can lift the fan base and create a buzz around the place, for the sake of 2 or 3 extra games it's hardly asking that much of the team. f*ck sake just enjoy the game tomorrow and stop bloody panicing about what might happen if we happen to do well in the competition!! He is going, he attends regularly, has done so for years both while they were doing well and while in L1 so I respect his opinion. Leeds fans would have a different view about that OT match had they not gone up I suggest. I happen to think Oldham on tuesday will be tough and I am going (are you?) so allow me to have a view about how we might do and what might happen. I hope we win both but would take Tues every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 He is going, he attends regularly, has done so for years both while they were doing well and while in L1 so I respect his opinion. Leeds fans would have a different view about that OT match had they not gone up I suggest. I happen to think Oldham on tuesday will be tough and I am going (are you?) so allow me to have a view about how we might do and what might happen. I hope we win both but would take Tues every time Yep will be at Oldham. and at the Blackpool game tomorrow. IF it was a choice between winning on saturday or tuesday of course the 3 points would be more valuable. but people have to get this idea out of their heads that the FA Cup is some kind of evil temptation trap set by the football devil that is going to lead us down the path of promotion failure. I'm sure we've both been following saints long enough to know we're more than capable of messing things up with or without a cup run. I'm a traditionalist, love the FA Cup, there is evidence in the past of worse teams than us getting to the semi finals (with the luck of the draw) so i say go for it and enjoy it. ca sera sera what will be will be............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 You'd really think our league standings would be the other way round based on the stats on the BBC page! We sound by far the better team... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/9341954.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Blackpool drifted right out to 9/4, Saints best priced 5/4 favs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Blackpool drifted right out to 9/4, Saints best priced 5/4 favs now. lol. I hope we smash them now. I want them humiliated for the lack of respect they've shown us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Same starting 11 for the Daggers to play against Oldham mid week. Bring in Schneiderlin for Hammond. Seabourne for Jaidi. Harding and Richardson for Dickson and Butterfield Puncheon for Chamberlain Barnard for Guly. I should be a manager why play Richardson, he is first choice. Why not play Gobern? Do we want to cup tie Puncheon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Average? Haven't won in 4. Last win was about 6 weeks ago. Couldn't even hold on to a 3 goal lead at home to Exeter with 15 minutes left - the same Exeter we took apart with ease. So yes, I'd say average is about right. They might beat us, but then that's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Leeds fans would have a different view about that OT match had they not gone up I suggest. but they did go up. They had the glory of the cup win and then went on to get automatic promotion. Lets do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 but people have to get this idea out of their heads that the FA Cup is some kind of evil temptation trap set by the football devil that is going to lead us down the path of promotion failure. Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Ormerod set to start game: http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/articles/20110107/video-ormerod-to-return_2264437_2260661 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 lol. I hope we smash them now. I want them humiliated for the lack of respect they've shown us I don't think it is a lack of respect for us, its just a total lack of respect for the competition. Holloway talks of staying up and in time being strong enough to win the cup, but they could do that this year. Why not? The skates made the final and they were woeful last season. By the time they are `strong enough', the competition may be so devalued by the likes of him, that no one will bother with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 but people have to get this idea out of their heads that the FA Cup is some kind of evil temptation trap set by the football devil that is going to lead us down the path of promotion failure. Who's got that idea in their head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Ormerod set to start game: http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/articles/20110107/video-ormerod-to-return_2264437_2260661 Will be great to give him the warm reception he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 officialsaints Saints FC RT @nataliekitcher @officialsaints how many tickets sold so far for tomorrow? #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Funny old thread. What would the players do if they were not playing Blackpool? They would probably have a behind closed doors practice game where the risk of burnout / injury is marginally but not significantly lower. If I were a first team regular, I would be feeling pretty good about myself right now and would be royally disappointed if I could not gauge my progress against some PL players. I expect Blackpool to win but I'm hoping that we can put up a good show and it should be close. Last week I watched Fulham play WBA and concluded that we could have taken either side with a bit of luck and a fair wind. A good team thrives on winning games whatever the competition. When you are winning you just want to keep playing so I suspect the whole squad can't wait to get out on the pitch tomorrow. I can see the argument around the fixture backlog but hey, if we are going to play Champions League in a few years - we'd better get used to it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Funny old thread. What would the players do if they were not playing Blackpool? They would probably have a behind closed doors practice game where the risk of burnout / injury is marginally but not significantly lower. No, we'd be playing Oldham in the Football League Division 1 (8th January being the original date for this fixture). Would much rather we were playing Oldham away on a Saturday, as planned, than as a re-arranged fixture shoe-horned into mid-week..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Funny old thread. What would the players do if they were not playing Blackpool? They would probably have a behind closed doors practice game where the risk of burnout / injury is marginally but not significantly lower. If I were a first team regular, I would be feeling pretty good about myself right now and would be royally disappointed if I could not gauge my progress against some PL players. I expect Blackpool to win but I'm hoping that we can put up a good show and it should be close. Last week I watched Fulham play WBA and concluded that we could have taken either side with a bit of luck and a fair wind. A good team thrives on winning games whatever the competition. When you are winning you just want to keep playing so I suspect the whole squad can't wait to get out on the pitch tomorrow. I can see the argument around the fixture backlog but hey, if we are going to play Champions League in a few years - we'd better get used to it!! good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Funny old thread. What would the players do if they were not playing Blackpool? They would probably have a behind closed doors practice game where the risk of burnout / injury is marginally but not significantly lower. If I were a first team regular, I would be feeling pretty good about myself right now and would be royally disappointed if I could not gauge my progress against some PL players. I expect Blackpool to win but I'm hoping that we can put up a good show and it should be close. Last week I watched Fulham play WBA and concluded that we could have taken either side with a bit of luck and a fair wind. A good team thrives on winning games whatever the competition. When you are winning you just want to keep playing so I suspect the whole squad can't wait to get out on the pitch tomorrow. I can see the argument around the fixture backlog but hey, if we are going to play Champions League in a few years - we'd better get used to it!! Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 why play Richardson, he is first choice. Why not play Gobern? Do we want to cup tie Puncheon? IMHO, I doubt that whether Punch is cup-tied or not will have any influence on who wants to buy him or his potential value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 I don't think it is a lack of respect for us, its just a total lack of respect for the competition. Holloway talks of staying up and in time being strong enough to win the cup, but they could do that this year. Why not? The skates made the final and they were woeful last season. By the time they are `strong enough', the competition may be so devalued by the likes of him, that no one will bother with it. very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Who's got that idea in their head? anyone of the number of posters presenting the idea that a win tomorrow will somehow cause our squad great distress having to play more regularly in the 2nd half of the season. and as for those like "dr who" well he just sounds strange to me. I'd love to get to the later rounds just to hear him tell us all about not being remotely interested in the cup this season. Great news that the ticket sales are over 19k, hopefully good walk up get it up to 22-23k, just a shame saints didn't agree with Blackpool on lowering the prices further as we could have been looking at 26-27k. The fact we are £5 more expensive than Leicester v Man City says alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Found this on the BBC Sport site. Seems Blackpool don't have a great Cup pedigree! (Sorry if already posted) BLACKPOOL FA Cup form • Lost 99 FA Cup matches. • Third round victims in each of the last three years. • The fourth round appearance in 2007 is their best performance in 20 years. • Lost the last four ties, and not won a match in the competition since then Conference club Aldershot Town were beaten 4-2 in the third round at Bloomfield Road in January 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 (edited) anyone of the number of posters presenting the idea that a win tomorrow will somehow cause our squad great distress having to play more regularly in the 2nd half of the season. My view isn't as categoric as that - i.e. I've no statistical or tangible evidence to offer by way of conclusion that a cup run will de-rail our run in - I simply have a pragmatic gut feel that we'd be better off concentrating on the league 100% after tomorrow. That's all. I acknowledge that a cup run can sometimes have the effect of galvanising performance in the league but this isn't always a side product of a cup run (a la Portsmouth and Middlesborough in recent memory). So, I don't believe anyone is citing any exact science in coming to their conclusion one way or the other. My view on this particular matter is based on instinct not logic (which is counter-intuitive for me as I usually go for the logical side in most debates). Besides, it's not an argument that anyone can win as we'll never know one way or the other if the cup run (or lack of one) had an influence on our final league position. Edited 7 January, 2011 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Am I alone in finding it hugely disappointing that a once great competition is now regarded by so many as a distraction to be avoided? It seems ludicrous that so many clubs are playing weakened teams in the hope of losing. In fact, it makes me wonder how many ties will be played between teams both trying fairly hard not to win? Football, but not as we know it, Scottie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 My view isn't as categoric as that - i.e. I've no statistical or tangible evidence to offer by way of conclusion that a cup run will de-rail our run in - I simply have a pragmatic gut feel that we'd be better off 100% concentrating on the league after tomorrow. That's all. I acknowledge that a cup run can sometimes have the effect of galvanising performance in the league but the opposite can also be true (a la Portsmouth and Middlesborough in recent memory). So, I don't believe anyone is citing any exact science in coming to their conclusion one way or the other. My view on this particular matter is based on instinct not logic (which is counter-intuitive for me as I usually go for the logical side in most debates). Besides, it's not an argument that anyone can win as we'll never know one way or the other if the cup run (or lack of one) had an influence on our final league position. very true. we never will know, and i accept your arguement that it "could" have a negative effect but that is only a possibility. Blackpool could go out tomorrow and still slide down the table, being relegated and losing their chance of some cup glory. i'd rather go with the instinct, you only live once, stop worrying about what might happen and let's f*cking go for it and see what happens. Carpe Diem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 very true. we never will know, and i accept your arguement that it "could" have a negative effect but that is only a possibility. Blackpool could go out tomorrow and still slide down the table, being relegated and losing their chance of some cup glory. i'd rather go with the instinct, you only live once, stop worrying about what might happen and let's f*cking go for it and see what happens. Carpe Diem. Indeed. A judgement on this one can only really be based on personal instinct. Which means that one man's instinct is just as valid as another's. Phew. Agreement to disagree. Harmony is restored in SaintsWeb land :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 Funny old thread. What would the players do if they were not playing Blackpool? They'd be playing Oldham in the league as originally scheduled. And then they'd be able to have a rest on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 January, 2011 Share Posted 7 January, 2011 You genuinely believed that Blackpool wouldn't field a second string team before buying your ticket? 'Twas the most likely scenario IMHO. Indeed, I was posting stuff on here about ticketing knowing full well that we'd be almost certainly playing Blackpool's reserves : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26699-At-home-to-BLACKPOOL&p=903063#post903063 For the lazy of clicking it said : I'll be going provided its no more than £25, but it'll be a weird world in which Blackpool are regarded as an attraction for plastic floating fans. I think we'll get about 19,000 if it's £25 and 25,000 if it's £18-ish. I wouldn't be surprised if the prices are ridiculous though, the justification being that they're a Prem side. We'll get fewer than for Cheltenham if tickets are £35, especially as I expect them to field nigh-on a reserve side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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