Politics and Brain Structures

[Saintandy666]

In all honesty, I wasn't being serious when I said left wingers were more intelligent.. I was trying to wind people up.

Edited 30 December, 2010 by Saintandy666

[Saintandy666]

Also, left right politics indicates economic policy and on economic policy Hitler was left wing. He certainly did not advocate free market economics and the 'invisible hand' and all that bull****. When you think of his job creation schemes and so on you realise in reality he was an authoritarian left wing politician.

[doddisalegend]

I read a study that said that right-wingers brains are made up of the milk that Thatcher stole and they are full up with the dozen of quotes that they've read that they don't have any room to understand complex ideas. Is this true?

 

One of the best things she ever did, I hate milk and being forced to drink luke warm milk every day at school was like fuking torture.

[doddisalegend]

Also, left right politics indicates economic policy and on economic policy Hitler was left wing. He certainly did not advocate free market economics and the 'invisible hand' and all that bull****. When you think of his job creation schemes and so on you realise in reality he was an authoritarian left wing politician.

 

I'm not sure slave labour counts as job creation, certainaly not very left wing. On the the other hand the RAD were quite a good idea, using the unemployed to provide public works is very in line with todays right wing thinking. Also unusally for a left winger he recived large amounts of cash from many industrialists in his early political life including (apparently) Shell the oil company. Also how many left wingers ban trade unions? and reduce unemployment by removing certain sectors of the population as eligiable to work (ie Jews)?

[Deppo]

One of the best things [Thatcher] ever did, I hate milk and being forced to drink luke warm milk every day at school was like fuking torture.

 

The report also said that right-wingers tended to be more focussed on issues relating directly to them, their family, locality and national issues; whereas left-leaning individuals were more likely to place emphasis on the needs of others, wider international concerns and the environment."

 

Your amygdala is looking fat, doddisalegend.

[Saintandy666]

I'm not sure slave labour counts as job creation, certainaly not very left wing. On the the other hand the RAD were quite a good idea, using the unemployed to provide public works is very in line with todays right wing thinking. Also unusally for a left winger he recived large amounts of cash from many industrialists in his early political life including (apparently) Shell the oil company. Also how many left wingers ban trade unions? and reduce unemployment by removing certain sectors of the population as eligiable to work (ie Jews)?

 

You are looking at the wrong things. Yes, a lot of his policies relied on the outcasting of minorities but that is a sign of authoritarian politics, not the left right wing scale. A good example here is the autobahn building. State sponsored, created jobs... Hitler was a left wing authoritarian politician.

[doddisalegend]

Your amygdala is looking fat, doddisalegend.

 

Good point. I should have drunk it with joy knowing that my sacrifice was allowing the children of the land to get all that full fat gold top, making all the chidren in the land fat and ripe for a heart attack later in life.

[doddisalegend]

You are looking at the wrong things. Yes, a lot of his policies relied on the outcasting of minorities but that is a sign of authoritarian politics, not the left right wing scale. A good example here is the autobahn building. State sponsored, created jobs... Hitler was a left wing authoritarian politician.

 

The autobahn much like the westwall was built with the upcoming war in mind that would allow the master race to prosper at the detriment of other lesser races, as Verbal pointed out left wing politics promote internationlism Hitlers rightwing politics did not. Hitler was brought to power on a promise of a better economic future he had to reduce unemployment early on until his postion was secure if those projects helped make Germany better equiped for war so much the better but there was no particular interest bin the 'Workers' as you would expect from a left winger. No left wing politican would ban trade unions as Hitler did, the soviets certainly didn't (though they did bring them under closer goverment control) and they were just as authoritarian as the Nazis.

[Saintandy666]

The autobahn much like the westwall was built with the upcoming war in mind that would allow the master race to prosper at the detriment of other lesser races, as Verbal pointed out left wing politics promote internationlism Hitlers rightwing politics did not. Hitler was brought to power on a promise of a better economic future he had to reduce unemployment early on until his postion was secure if those projects helped make Germany better equiped for war so much the better but there was no particular interest bin the 'Workers' as you would expect from a left winger. No left wing politican would ban trade unions as Hitler did, the soviets certainly didn't (though they did bring them under closer goverment control) and they were just as authoritarian as the Nazis.

 

I don't understand how you can say Hitler was a right wing politician. He didn't believe in a free market and effectively dictated economic policy himself. Private property wasn't even a guaranteed right and that is a cornerstone of right wing politics. He effectively nationalised anything which wasn't working to further the states goals. Hitler was not right wing... authoritarian yes, right wing no.

[SuperMikey]

I think killing 6m Jews, Gypsies and Disabled people is pretty right-wing..

Edited 30 December, 2010 by SuperMikey

[buctootim]

I think killing 6m Jews, Gypsies and Disabled people is pretty right-wing..

 

Stalin killed more

[SuperMikey]

Doesn't really make Hitler any less right-wing though...

[Saintandy666]

I think killing 6m Jews, Gypsies and Disabled people is pretty right-wing..

 

You are on the wrong scale. Left Right politics is nothing to do with killing Jews, Gypsies and Disabled people. That's more on the Authoritarian Libertarian scale. Political ideologies can't be simply placed on a 1 dimensional scale. Left Right politics is based upon economic policy. Right Wing politics is characterised by economic freedom and minimal state intervention. Think Adam Smith and the 'Invisible Hand' of the markets guiding society along the right path. I think it is all bull**** of course, but Hitler certainly did not believe in minimal state intervention in his countries economy and certainly did not let the markets dictate what went on.

[dune]

Doesn't really make Hitler any less right-wing though...

 

I don't think Mikey knows what right/left wing means.

[SuperMikey]

I don't think Mikey knows what right/left wing means.

 

Neither do I actually, got a bit confused about that. As Andy says, using the wrong scale.

[doddisalegend]

I don't understand how you can say Hitler was a right wing politician. He didn't believe in a free market and effectively dictated economic policy himself. Private property wasn't even a guaranteed right and that is a cornerstone of right wing politics. He effectively nationalised anything which wasn't working to further the states goals. Hitler was not right wing... authoritarian yes, right wing no.

 

Hitlers economic policies were those of the third postion which is supposedly neither right or left. Hitlers oppostion to capatlism was based on his belief that it was a front of international jewery not on the belief that he should make the life of the lower classes better. There is more to left and right though than economic policy. Ultranationalism is a far right policy and Hilter and Nazism is ultranationalistic and thus right wing regardless of his econmic policies which were there not to better the lives of workers but to put Germany on a war footing, again the waging of aggressive war to further your country at the expense of others being considered a right wing thing. Now if you were trying to convince me that Stalin wasn't really a socalist I'd be right on board

[trousers]

[Saintandy666]

Hitlers economic policies were those of the third postion which is supposedly neither right or left. Hitlers oppostion to capatlism was based on his belief that it was a front of international jewery not on the belief that he should make the life of the lower classes better. There is more to left and right though than economic policy. Ultranationalism is a far right policy and Hilter and Nazism is ultranationalistic and thus right wing regardless of his econmic policies which were there not to better the lives of workers but to put Germany on a war footing, again the waging of aggressive war to further your country at the expense of others being considered a right wing thing. Now if you were trying to convince me that Stalin wasn't really a socalist I'd be right on board

 

See my post prior to this to see part of my response to this. Also, I'll add that the motives do not really matter too much as at the end of the day the policy and outcomes can still be the same.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I don't think Mikey knows what right/left wing means.

 

says the man that thinks Tony Blair was a socialist.

[doddisalegend]

See my post prior to this to see part of my response to this. Also, I'll add that the motives do not really matter too much as at the end of the day the policy and outcomes can still be the same.

 

The motives are all important. A right wing and left wing goverment could end up having a similair policy for totally different reasons it's the reasons that make all the difference. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for the discussion though it was interesting.

[Saintandy666]

The motives are all important. A right wing and left wing goverment could end up having a similair policy for totally different reasons it's the reasons that make all the difference. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for the discussion though it was interesting.

 

Likewise!

[dronskisaint]

I do not follow a party line. I support both the UKIP and the Conservative Party. UKIP represent my views perfectly on all issues though.

 

Oh if only this was intended as irony it would be pure comedy...sadly it is what it is:cry: