Jonnyboy Posted 29 December, 2010 Share Posted 29 December, 2010 i wonder how barney would fare if we did a reverse loan and sent him out to serie a? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 He did miss a few on Tuesday but his lay off play was excellent. I have just watched the highlights on BBC Sport website, he assisted Lallana when he hit the bar, Oxo goal and Chaplow 's in second half. Is improving all the time as he gets used to this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 He played well yesterday, just his shooting was appalling!! Barny is the better player for sure! Taking note of your user name i suspect you are not a youngster and so Im surprised that you dont see what Guly brings to the team. I like Barnard for his commitment and endeavor but is he really that a potent goalscorer for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Barnard and Guly are so different as players so that they shouldn't be compared at all. Who is better? That depends on what it is you want. Barnard is working very hard, full of endeavour, predominantly to get freekicks and penalties, but is also so "in your face" and aggressive towards the refs so that he hardly gets anything. He gets a fair amount of goals. He is a striker, full stop. Guly keeps himself always available and moved the ball around a lot and at speed to keep others on the move a lot, to try to create goalscoring chances. He probably won't score hatfuls for us, maybe 1 in 4 in the long run. He isn't a striker, but has played his career as a continental no 10, i.e. in the middle of the three in midfield, i.e. "in the hole", sometimes further back, but definitely in midfield. If we are to persevere with 4-4-2 we don't have room for a "no 10" and we need to re-school him. Please note that he is not a winger. I know who I want to watch, and also who I think is more valuable for the team, but others don't agree. I wouldn't think of calling either of them rubbish or worse for preferring the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 I feel many people start to think attacking players are **** if they don't score, and they completely ignore everything else they do. Like Lambert, just because he wasn't scoring he was ****. Guly set up two goals against Huddersfield with his quick passing and vision. He also set up some golden chances which weren't converted to goals. Unfortunately he missed a couple of chances to score himself, that happens. Personally I feel he has done enough to start the game on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 More importantly would Barnard have been subtle enough to put in Lallana (missed open goal) Chamberlain and Chaplow with defence beating passes for clear shots. More than likely would have ignored them and tried himself even though the others were clear. Horses for courses, Guly provides the movement and space to open up defences for others, the strikers primarily are looking to score which often stifles movement. The movement on Tuesday provided seven or eight really good chances whereas up to now we have been struggling to break through defences. We looked capable of scoring all the match after the equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 You idiot. What about Telfer, Schneiderlin, Hammond, James, Rasiak, Saganowski, Pulis, Wotton etc who have all been given loads of grief? That's from our black fans, who are also racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 30 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2010 This thread is lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassmole Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 I think a lot of "fans" on here have forgotten that our greatest ever player was something of a luxury who often cruised through games seemingly doing very little but then could pick out that perfect pass or produce a bit of magic that was worth the ticket price on its own. If Guly has only a fraction of that talent then its still probably worth persevering with and giving him an extended run in the side to see if he improves and produces more frequently. He offers a bit more than Barnard or Connolly I think so give him a chance and ease up on the vitriol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 I thought he had a good game, despite the misses. As others have said, he brings skill and unpredictability to our play which unsettles the opposition's back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 (edited) Will need all the players...Barnard, Guly, Connolly and Lambert.. Long season and will all be of value at different times/different games.. Bear in mind injuries and suspensions.... Silly debate..strength in depth and variety of play. PS when Messi arrives..one of them will have to stand aside.. Edited 30 December, 2010 by ottery st mary forgot January signing..Messi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 what about the other 20%? We're brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 People have opinions. about a side having a weak link when there should be no weak link is terrible i know. Frankly, there are more weak links in the fanbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Will need all the players...Barnard, Guly, Connolly and Lambert.. Long season and will all be of value at different times/different games.. Bear in mind injuries and suspensions.... Silly debate..strength in depth and variety of play. This is exactly right, which makes the premise of the thread even more laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 More importantly would Barnard have been subtle enough to put in Lallana (missed open goal) Chamberlain and Chaplow with defence beating passes for clear shots. More than likely would have ignored them and tried himself even though the others were clear. Horses for courses, Guly provides the movement and space to open up defences for others, the strikers primarily are looking to score which often stifles movement. The movement on Tuesday provided seven or eight really good chances whereas up to now we have been struggling to break through defences. We looked capable of scoring all the match after the equaliser. Thanks for pointing out the "third" assist for Lallana, Dave. I can't remember the last time somebody assisted for two goals and also for what should have been another certain one in one game and been called "rubbish" and other similar epithets. Apart from that he kept Lallana, AOX and Lambert working with the ball all through the afternoon and helped rescue them when they were in trouble. I had a very enjoyable afternoon watching that remarkable rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Rory - you haven't got a clue (or did you just have your eyes shut?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 although his assists were...err, assists..they were hardly defence splitting passes or cracking crosses...all were 3 yard passes.. I just dont rate him...sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 fair enough, just glad you and Rory are in a small minority and Adkins rates him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 you must have missed his assists then. Some Saints "fans" are unreal, after a 4-1 win against on of our main promotion rivals people still single out players for critisism. It's always difficult to get a new player to fit in the system and find his best role. With our drought of goals in those early games we needed to try something. If NA sees him in the midfield role playing " in the hole " behind the front man, that means 4-5-1 with two wide men and Lambert up front .. Surely Lallana should play further up - remembering his big goal tally last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 31 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Two "assists" maybe but I thought he was all over the shop. He was against Brentford too. One "good" game and he's brilliant. Rather than posters having a go at me as the "clueless majority" are the ones who will slag the team off something rotten when we lose. Typical fickle Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 although his assists were...err, assists..they were hardly defence splitting passes or cracking crosses...all were 3 yard passes.. I just dont rate him...sorry I doubt you rated Beardsley or Sherringham in that case. Those 3 yard passes are very difficult in those tight situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 although his assists were...err, assists..they were hardly defence splitting passes or cracking crosses...all were 3 yard passes.. I just dont rate him...sorry I'd go along with that. As I've said, I wasn't at the game, so I can't really comment on his performance. I have seen the highlights a few times on the football league phone app. and his assists really weren't anything to write home about. A 5 yard pass to Alex for the first and a simple lay off to Chaplow for the second, which I'm not entirely sure he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 I doubt you rated Beardsley or Sherringham in that case. Those 3 yard passes are very difficult in those tight situations. are you suggesting he is as good as beardsley and sherringham..or impacts the team as much as they did.. please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Two "assists" maybe but I thought he was all over the shop. He was against Brentford too. One "good" game and he's brilliant. Rather than posters having a go at me as the "clueless majority" are the ones who will slag the team off something rotten when we lose. Typical fickle Saints fans. i think you have made a misjudgement, no shame in that and in time will see what a lot of others can in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 are you suggesting he is as good as beardsley and sherringham..or impacts the team as much as they did.. please not suggesting that after watching on 5-6 occasions but if you can't see the skill in some of those assists then you will always miss out on the finer things in the game. I mentioned the 2 players as you were rubbishing the art of a good 3 ft-yard pass, not saying he is as good as those players It is not all about running, but football is a craft and only a few footballers have got that. IMO Guly has signs that he has got something about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 not suggesting that after watching on 5-6 occasions but if you can't see the skill in some of those assists then you will always miss out on the finer things in the game. I mentioned the 2 players as you were rubbishing the art of a good 3 ft-yard pass, not saying he is as good as those players It is not all about running, but football is a craft and only a few footballers have got that. IMO Guly has signs that he has got something about him. there was not much skill really...passing the ball ahead of him about 3 yards does not require a great deal of skill... he will simply be no long term or medium term solution to saints.. I very much doubt he will be here past the summer (if even past jan) and will be long forgotton I already said I was overly critical about him but sat there watching him sky pretty easy chances and that free header was criminal...yes, he assisted a couple of goals but they were nothing special..in that they were a couple of 3 yards straight line passes.. before you say it...lallana should have done better...but he pretty much works the keeper every time...and has goals, many goals and vital goals to his name this season already.... their goalie could have stood there with his eyes closed and would not have to worry about a guly shot... as for those saying he is not a striker...says who..? even if he is an attacking midfielder, he is pish poor at the scoring part... he has a contribution to make..yes...that is about it.. as for people slating people saying he is not very good..are there the same people that generally slate the team when we dare drop points..saying we have to sgn 6 or 7 new players...you yourself said when we went 1-0 down you were questioning adkins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 I'd go along with that. As I've said, I wasn't at the game, so I can't really comment on his performance. I have seen the highlights a few times on the football league phone app. and his assists really weren't anything to write home about. A 5 yard pass to Alex for the first and a simple lay off to Chaplow for the second, which I'm not entirely sure he meant. he played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 not suggesting that after watching on 5-6 occasions but if you can't see the skill in some of those assists then you will always miss out on the finer things in the game. I mentioned the 2 players as you were rubbishing the art of a good 3 ft-yard pass, not saying he is as good as those players It is not all about running, but football is a craft and only a few footballers have got that. IMO Guly has signs that he has got something about him. very true, it easy to be too simple - like Alpine yesterday saying all is relevant in a forward is goalscoring - that takes out like of Heskey (although knocked by many all England managers seemed to rate him) Kevin Davies, even Beardsley was never prolific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 scored 3 in 9 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 very true, it easy to be too simple - like Alpine yesterday saying all is relevant in a forward is goalscoring - that takes out like of Heskey (although knocked by many all England managers seemed to rate him) Kevin Davies, even Beardsley was never prolific this is absolute b*llocks and a typical statement made by people who know nothing about football. Any team that play with two strikers always have one that is more prolific than the other. Think of the striker partnerships over the last 20 years in teams that have actually won stuff, Cole & Yorke, Shearer and Sutton, Drogba & Anelka, Bergkamp and Henry etc, one always scores way more than the other. Is Berkamp a sh*t striker because he only averaged 9 goals a season in 10 years at Arsenal? Some of the sh*t on here is unreal. It's about partnerships, playing together and one being a foil for the other. If Gully has 2 assists a game for the rest of the season but doesn't score himself i for one would be delighted with his contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 scored 3 in 9 games. He has played 17 games and started 8 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 OS has 9 games http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Appearances/0,,10280~201010280,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Opinions of supporters about various players will always differ. Many just walk away from the ground remembering one good move or one bad miss and judge the player accordingly. My daughter came home from her first the match of the season on Saturday as asked what I thought of out Brazilian player. She thought he was rubbish as did supporters around her in the Chapel End. They were clearly basing their comments on his missed goal opportunies I thought he had a good game and was an asset. My opinion was not based on his missed opportunities but the fact he HAD those opportunities by being in the right place. I was aware of his movement off the ball, his work rate, his vision and how he bought other players into the game because I looked at him off the ball as well. Had he scored from his best two opportunities the original post would not have been made. Yet we won 4-1 and he was a big part of that. OK, he is not a world beater if he was he would not be on loan to us. He has come from a different football culture and it takes time to adjust. He is beginning to show that adjustment and I hope we can either extend his loan until the end of the season or sign him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 think people need to remember he has pace and a good creative touch, but is not the best finisher - if he was he would not be in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Pity there's no build up video this week, we could at least see if he's still around.I guess we'll find out soon enough tomorrow though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Pity there's no build up video this week, we could at least see if he's still around.I guess we'll find out soon enough tomorrow though.No reason why he should not be around. He signed a loan deal for 5 months which takes him well into January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 there was not much skill really...passing the ball ahead of him about 3 yards does not require a great deal of skill... he will simply be no long term or medium term solution to saints.. I very much doubt he will be here past the summer (if even past jan) and will be long forgotton I already said I was overly critical about him but sat there watching him sky pretty easy chances and that free header was criminal...yes, he assisted a couple of goals but they were nothing special..in that they were a couple of 3 yards straight line passes.. before you say it...lallana should have done better...but he pretty much works the keeper every time...and has goals, many goals and vital goals to his name this season already.... their goalie could have stood there with his eyes closed and would not have to worry about a guly shot... as for those saying he is not a striker...says who..? even if he is an attacking midfielder, he is pish poor at the scoring part... he has a contribution to make..yes...that is about it.. as for people slating people saying he is not very good..are there the same people that generally slate the team when we dare drop points..saying we have to sgn 6 or 7 new players...you yourself said when we went 1-0 down you were questioning adkins... DD correct i was questioning Adkins was the correct choice after the brentford performance and the first 15 or so minutes against Huddersfield, but he did something that changed the team and I maybe wrong. That of course has nothing to do with Guly's abilities. If it is so easy to create goals then we may as well put anyone in who can have the foresight to see the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Adkins looking to make it a permanent deal for a 6 figure sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 More importantly would Barnard have been subtle enough to put in Lallana (missed open goal) Chamberlain and Chaplow with defence beating passes for clear shots. More than likely would have ignored them and tried himself even though the others were clear. Horses for courses, Guly provides the movement and space to open up defences for others, the strikers primarily are looking to score which often stifles movement. The movement on Tuesday provided seven or eight really good chances whereas up to now we have been struggling to break through defences. We looked capable of scoring all the match after the equaliser. Absolutely spot b0ll0ck on. I thought he had a good game, but watching the highlights showed me he had an exceptional game as a playmaker and ran the entire pitch all afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Absolutely spot b0ll0ck on. I thought he had a good game, but watching the highlights showed me he had an exceptional game as a playmaker and ran the entire pitch all afternoon. Just watched the highlights. Made two goals and created the opportunity for Lallana to hit the bar... what a shame we don't have more donkeys like him playing for us. And to think he might be keeping Paul Wotton out of the team. Disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Adkins looking to make it a permanent deal for a 6 figure sum. I heard that too negoiating a contract at the moment But Guly may not want to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 I heard that too negoiating a contract at the moment But Guly may not want to stay Why would he not,I'd think the manager is looking to a 4-4-1-1 system rather than staid old 4-4-2 so Guly is perfect for that. If Rickie can find form I'd think that all talk of finding a new striker is obsolete and Barnard will spend most of his time on the bench. Guly is a good player, makes things happen and we have plenty of attacking potential. If he stays and no-one goes maybe we won't have many signings at all, a centre back perhaps because Jaidi is a bit erratic and Seaborne and Martin don't really inspire confidence all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 I rate Guly ALOT and would love to sign him. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Why would he not,I'd think the manager is looking to a 4-4-1-1 system rather than staid old 4-4-2 so Guly is perfect for that. If Rickie can find form I'd think that all talk of finding a new striker is obsolete and Barnard will spend most of his time on the bench. Guly is a good player, makes things happen and we have plenty of attacking potential. If he stays and no-one goes maybe we won't have many signings at all, a centre back perhaps because Jaidi is a bit erratic and Seaborne and Martin don't really inspire confidence all of the time. I've only seen Guly live twice but both times he impressed me with his vision and link up play. His passing is defence-splitting (see aformentioned highlights) and his ability lay the ball off comfortably with either foot is worthy of at least the division above us. All in I don't see a lot wrong with any aspect of our squad - Jaidi and Seabourne alongside Fonte are easily good enough to win us this league and I hate the idea of buying 'cover'. If a top class CB was available to mix things up and provide stiffer competition then maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 As long as Jaidi keeps turning it on like last Tuesday and Fonte is there, not so many problems but Seaborne is a bit of a disaster sometimes, gives away penalties that he doesn't need to and his reading of the game isn't good. Seaborne and Dickson gave away the 2 goals against Brentford (well Kelv helped) but really they can't be trusted in a Fonte less defence.I'm sure NA knows this because they were both dropped for the Huddersfield game.Harding is our best left back and Fonte+Jaidi is our best central pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 think its very close between LBs - more form than ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 As long as Jaidi keeps turning it on like last Tuesday and Fonte is there, not so many problems but Seaborne is a bit of a disaster sometimes, gives away penalties that he doesn't need to and his reading of the game isn't good. Seaborne and Dickson gave away the 2 goals against Brentford (well Kelv helped) but really they can't be trusted in a Fonte less defence.I'm sure NA knows this because they were both dropped for the Huddersfield game.Harding is our best left back and Fonte+Jaidi is our best central pairing. That's my reading of it. Think Harding is often under-rated on here. For my money he's the best left back in the league. Very much in the Dennis mould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 think its very close between LBs - more form than ability. Dickson is not so good in the tackle but he's better going forward. Trouble with this is that the CM playing on his side of the pitch has to be on hand constantly to help him out,watch the "highlights" of the Brentford game,Dickson let Alexander have a free shot at goal,just stood there and watched him then tried to grab his shirt, would never have happened that way with Dan.The proof is NA dropped him so he must have seen it that way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Something which is also being ignored by the Guly critics is his ability to drift away from the markers and reset his position having made himself space, something that Adam Lallana and Alex Chamberlain need to learn. If they do, it will make them incredibly dangerous, having lost their markers on the backpost corner of the penalty area/goal area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Fair play to Guly today Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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