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[NickG]

glad after reading first post or two and wondering what people were watching that the vast majority on this thread appreciated a decent footballer

[Jonnyboy]

Lambo scores goals

 

Guly makes goals

 

hmmm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/top_scorers/default.stm

[Viking Saint]

In the first half he wasn't great at all - he missed chances (but as Adkins highlighted in his post match interview - Lallana missed three he should have buried) but in the second half I thought he made intelligent runs which made space for other players and led the line well.

 

He laid the ball off well (especially in the area where he found players with some great passes) and created two goals by keeping a cool head where others may have lost theirs.

 

I don't think he's a striker and would be better suited playing in the hole behind the front two but we don't use that system so it's a bit of mix and match with him

 

think you've hit the nail on the head there.....he got to the point where he looked scared of having a shot and screwing it up....he squared one to Lallana he could've buried himself and I think Barnard would've scored 2-3 of the chances he didn't take in the first half...that said, there was some brave last-ditch defending from the opposition defence.....Guly looked better in the second half when he dropped a bit deeper...in today's programme, he mentions that he sees himself as an attacking midfielder.....it also mentions the difficulties he's having with the language....does he perhaps not understand what NA is asking him to do.....did anyone else notice that he had his shirt off and was straight down the tunnel whilst the other players were applauding the fans after the game....think the crowd reaction might've gotten to him a bit....shame as he's got some potential....

[NickG]

don't think Barnard would have had those chances though.

 

if you have the finishing of Barnard, with the intelligent play of Guly you don't have a league 1 forward!

[Jonnyboy]

think you've hit the nail on the head there.....he got to the point where he looked scared of having a shot and screwing it up....he squared one to Lallana he could've buried himself and I think Barnard would've scored 2-3 of the chances he didn't take in the first half...that said, there was some brave last-ditch defending from the opposition defence.....Guly looked better in the second half when he dropped a bit deeper...in today's programme, he mentions that he sees himself as an attacking midfielder.....it also mentions the difficulties he's having with the language....does he perhaps not understand what NA is asking him to do.....did anyone else notice that he had his shirt off and was straight down the tunnel whilst the other players were applauding the fans after the game....think the crowd reaction might've gotten to him a bit....shame as he's got some potential....

 

Thatll please a few on here

[Appy]

****ing Useless.

 

 

Any of our other strikers would of buried the vast majority of chances he had, link up play can be done by the rest too.

 

No excuses, he isn't good enough.

[Smirking_Saint]

We do have some mongs for fans.

 

Oh well, chuck him in the crap pile along with Anders, Delap, Oakley, Fuller, Davies, Ormerod, Puncheon etc etc etc

[Hedgehog]

The thing is he got himself in those goal scoring chances, his link up play was good, and had 2 assists. It just seems that don't matter how well a team plays, and the result obtained, there will always be people having a pop at an individual in the team. Are people having a go a Llanna for his missed chances, no! Some great pretty footwork but no goals. Perhaps the management and coaching staff have got it all wrong, if that's the case they should have pulled him off. Barnard was on the bench, but if true and has just had a hernia op, how fit was he. Football is a squad thing, and when you are winning games why change a set up that is working, the likes of Barnard will be needed in the coming months.

[jam]

We do have some mongs for fans.

 

Oh well, chuck him in the crap pile along with Anders, Delap, Oakley, Fuller, Davies, Ormerod, Puncheon etc etc etc

 

Lallana was in that crap pile a couple of years ago too...

[Appy]

We do have some mongs for fans.

 

Oh well, chuck him in the crap pile along with Anders, Delap, Oakley, Fuller, Davies, Ormerod, Puncheon etc etc etc

 

You're one of them if you think he deserves to start.

[Smirking_Saint]

Lallana was in that crap pile a couple of years ago too...

 

Thats true, lol

 

Forgot about that, Lallana was another crapper back when the dutch duo were doing their worst.

 

Now, even though he arguably missed as many as Guly then Guly is the sh*te one and Lallana is a god.

[Smirking_Saint]

You're one of them if you think he deserves to start.

 

Its about what he brings to the team, and the fact that we now have a lot of games to catch up with. Barnard has just had a hernia op, how long do you think he will last if we play him in every minute available ?? Similarly with Ox-C and the fact he gets cramp if playing too long.

 

Never mind the fact that Guly set up two goals, runs himself into the ground on many occasions and is technically pretty good.

 

Oh no, he is sh*te. Get rid of him, and Punch and Morgan and anyone else that makes a mistake more than once.

[Appy]

Its about what he brings to the team, and the fact that we now have a lot of games to catch up with. Barnard has just had a hernia op, how long do you think he will last if we play him in every minute available ?? Similarly with Ox-C and the fact he gets cramp if playing too long.

 

Never mind the fact that Guly set up two goals, runs himself into the ground on many occasions and is technically pretty good.

 

Oh no, he is sh*te. Get rid of him, and Punch and Morgan and anyone else that makes a mistake more than once.

 

 

No i rate those 2, Guly can do one though. We can get far better that do all the above, Connolly, Barnard, Lambert, Lallana, Patterson, McGoldrick, Jordan Robertson and even BWP would of buried at least 2 of the chances Guly had today, he was a passenger to the other 10.

[benjii]

Ooooof. Shocker.

 

You clueless gimp. Lol@you.

[Hedgehog]

You may be right, but how many has Lambert scored from open play this season, or should have scored. How many minutes can Connolly give us without producing his sick note? And as for BWP, how often did he fail to deliver the goods? How many did Lallana miss today? To say he was a passenger!!!

[Smirking_Saint]

No i rate those 2, Guly can do one though. We can get far better that do all the above, Connolly, Barnard, Lambert, Lallana, Patterson, McGoldrick, Jordan Robertson and even BWP would of buried at least 2 of the chances Guly had today, he was a passenger to the other 10.

 

Except that Lallana missed his fair share, Lambert has done the square root of f*ck all most of the season, Connolly is a crock, Patterson and Robertson have done relatively f*ck all since they left saints and BWP very much missed his fair share of easy chances.

 

Guly is a good player, not a striker i agree, but he knows that and we know that, and i think Adkins knows that it is just injuries that have forced him to play upfront (although he was dropping deeper and playing in the hole really) did you not see he was making space for and allowing Lambert n friends to get involved ?

[Appy]

Except that Lallana missed his fair share, Lambert has done the square root of f*ck all most of the season, Connolly is a crock, Patterson and Robertson have done relatively f*ck all since they left saints and BWP very much missed his fair share of easy chances.

 

Guly is a good player, not a striker i agree, but he knows that and we know that, and i think Adkins knows that it is just injuries that have forced him to play upfront (although he was dropping deeper and playing in the hole really) did you not see he was making space for and allowing Lambert n friends to get involved ?

 

 

A striker he is not, but when played on the wing he has been dreadful and wouldn't get near our middle of midfield, there is just no place for him.

[benjii]

Some right spastics exposing themselves at the moment. **** me, the kind of ****s who do your nut in if you have the misfortune of being stationed near them during a match.

[Appy]

Some right spastics exposing themselves at the moment. **** me, the kind of ****s who do your nut in if you have the misfortune of being stationed near them during a match.

 

People have opinions. about a side having a weak link when there should be no weak link is terrible i know.

[Jack]

Tough one this for me. Some things he did very well - winning headers, made some intelligent runs, linked up the play well at times especially for Chaplow's goal, but his finishing was poor and he didn't look at all composed when put through on goal. The biggest problem for me today was his attitude and body language. He had his head down, he'd take forever to get back onside when play broke down, and at the final whistle all he did was take his shirt off and trudge straight down the tunnel. He just didn't look bothered. Not a normal reaction from a player on the back of such a good result

[Hopkins]

Appy having a shocker here. As asked in another thread, I have yet to hear or see anyone put a decent arguement for him having a bad game today. People realise there is more to football than just shooting?

 

His link up play with Lallana, Oxo, and even sometimes Lambert was class. He got 2 assists. He could and should have had more assists if Lallana had taken his chances, Which as I see it is the only reason Guly is getting slated so why not slate Lallana too? He missed worse chances.

 

Also i'm not a big fan of the argument that he's not a striker. He's a central player. Either in midfield or as a deep lying striker. He fits in as a deep lying striker because we don't need or play that kind of midfielder, the league doesn't call for a attacking midfielder, he's only going to play for us upfront with 1 other, which is perfect for him and us because he becomes useful in games where a striker like Barnard may be nullified. He's a different option uptop, he'll drop deep, he'll link up player better than Barnard, he'll bring Lallana and Oxlade into the game and present them with goal scoring chances, whereas Barnard won't, he'll rely on the wingers to supply him. So Guly is a different option and gives us a different way of playing.

 

His finishing was poor today. So what? He's going to be one of those players, one game we'll love him, the next he'll be frustrating. Get over it. Depresses me that our fans are such mongs that we can't appreciate and accommodate a player with a touch of class about him, that sometimes it won't come off.

 

Today he was central to everything we did.

 

People finding him an easy target, but being honest Lallana and him had the same game today. If Guly had stuck one of those chances away, which with a bit more luck he might well have done because Huddersfield put some good blocks in, he'd be being bummed all over this board.

 

Now let me hear something other than "Oh but he didn't score" as a creditable argument as to why people are slating him....

[Appy]

Appy having a shocker here. As asked in another thread, I have yet to hear or see anyone put a decent arguement for him having a bad game today. People realise there is more to football than just shooting?

 

His link up play with Lallana, Oxo, and even sometimes Lambert was class. He got 2 assists. He could and should have had more assists if Lallana had taken his chances, Which as I see it is the only reason Guly is getting slated so why not slate Lallana too? He missed worse chances.

 

Also i'm not a big fan of the argument that he's not a striker. He's a central player. Either in midfield or as a deep lying striker. He fits in as a deep lying striker because we don't need or play that kind of midfielder, the league doesn't call for a attacking midfielder, he's only going to play for us upfront with 1 other, which is perfect for him and us because he becomes useful in games where a striker like Barnard may be nullified. He's a different option uptop, he'll drop deep, he'll link up player better than Barnard, he'll bring Lallana and Oxlade into the game and present them with goal scoring chances, whereas Barnard won't, he'll rely on the wingers to supply him. So Guly is a different option and gives us a different way of playing.

 

His finishing was poor today. So what? He's going to be one of those players, one game we'll love him, the next he'll be frustrating. Get over it. Depresses me that our fans are such mongs that we can't appreciate and accommodate a player with a touch of class about him, that sometimes it won't come off.

 

Today he was central to everything we did.

 

People finding him an easy target, but being honest Lallana and him had the same game today. If Guly had stuck one of those chances away, which with a bit more luck he might well have done because Huddersfield put some good blocks in, he'd be being bummed all over this board.

 

A shocker? I thought football was about having an opinion.

 

Would he get in your first choice 11?

[Jack]

Not the point Appy, not at all. He did ok and was the only real option available to us today

[Appy]

Not the point Appy, not at all. He did ok and was the only real option available to us today

 

He wasn't, Play Lallana just off Lambert, play Connolly, Give Barnard a start and bring Guly on later.

 

I'm not one to doubt Adkins, i just can't see Guly ever fitting in to our team.

[Jack]

Do you not think DC or Barnard would have got a run-out for the last 10-15 mins if they were fully fit? We were 4-1 up and only used 2 subs. Says it all to me.

[Smirking_Saint]

Its a good dillemma for me, Barnard works hard and seems to be a goal scorer (but misses his fair share too) on form Lambert is the leagues best striker (but isn't on form), Connolly looks dangerous when fit and Guly links up well and brings people into the game.

 

Everyone misses chances every now and again, it doesn't help that certain elements of our fanbase seem to wait for players to make a mistake so they can jeer them, which is pretty f*cking disgraceful IMO.

 

Guly had a good game today, his only bad points were the fact that he missed some chances (as did others) and sometimes he and Lambert made the same runs.

 

Someone said earlier in another thread that he is at times too clever for his teammates, which is pretty true IMO. Also what he brings to the team is probably missed by some fans.

 

Honestly i believe only about 30% of football fans actually understand the game.

[buctootim]

He wasn't, Play Lallana just off Lambert, play Connolly, Give Barnard a start and bring Guly on later.

 

I'm not one to doubt Adkins, i just can't see Guly ever fitting in to our team.

 

So four up front then? and Guly is crap. Thats rare insight.

[Smirking_Saint]

He wasn't, Play Lallana just off Lambert, play Connolly, Give Barnard a start and bring Guly on later.

 

I'm not one to doubt Adkins, i just can't see Guly ever fitting in to our team.

 

Except for today when he set up two goals and made life hard for the Huddersfield defence ?

[Hopkins]

He wasn't, Play Lallana just off Lambert, play Connolly, Give Barnard a start and bring Guly on later.

 

I'm not one to doubt Adkins, i just can't see Guly ever fitting in to our team.

 

2 assists. and linked up brilliantly with Lallana and Chamberlain. Thats not bad for a player who won't ever fit in.

 

Seriously, you say its about opinions but you've still yet to say anything about todays game that suggests he deserves slating? He missed some chances...so what? Why does he get slated and Lallana doesn't?

 

I don't have a first 11 by the way. Neither do I believe we should have a first 11. It's a squad game. He's ideal if we need someone to drop off and get Lallana and Chamberlain into goal scoring positions because he draws defenders out, and allows players to go in, hence Chamberlains goal, hence Lallana missing sitters. Barnard and Connolly are good if we need poachers.

 

Have you got any insight as to why he doesn't fit in? He fitted in perfectly today.

[Appy]

2 assists. and linked up brilliantly with Lallana and Chamberlain. Thats not bad for a player who won't ever fit in.

 

Seriously, you say its about opinions but you've still yet to say anything about todays game that suggests he deserves slating? He missed some chances...so what? Why does he get slated and Lallana doesn't?

 

I don't have a first 11 by the way. Neither do I believe we should have a first 11. It's a squad game. He's ideal if we need someone to drop off and get Lallana and Chamberlain into goal scoring positions because he draws defenders out, and allows players to go in, hence Chamberlains goal, hence Lallana missing sitters. Barnard and Connolly are good if we need poachers.

 

Have you got any insight as to why he doesn't fit in? He fitted in perfectly today.

 

Meh, the missed chances have probably plagued my judgment due to his position today and Barnard being one of my favorite players.

 

But then again it is the same as people slagging off Lambert.

 

I didn't like him today but i have got behind him before and will again.

 

I am in a fantastic mood now after the 4-1 win and the ashes being retained, i will give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he does it he starts on Saturday .

[Saint_clark]

Do you not think DC or Barnard would have got a run-out for the last 10-15 mins if they were fully fit? We were 4-1 up and only used 2 subs. Says it all to me.

 

We used all 3 subs, Richardson for Butters, Chaplow for Morgan, Dickson for Chamberlain. All 3 were pretty much enforced.

[Appy]

So four up front then? and Guly is crap. Thats rare insight.

 

That was three different options by the way, not the tactic for one match.

[sfc4prem]

I hope Appy is happy that he's knocked the lad's confidence to the extent he doesn't even clap the fans at the end. Not surprising that he was f*cked off with the boo-boys after he put in a decent performance which produced 2 assists.

[Smirking_Saint]

Meh, the missed chances have probably plagued my judgment due to his position today and Barnard being one of my favorite players.

 

But then again it is the same as people slagging off Lambert.

 

I didn't like him today but i have got behind him before and will again.

 

I am in a fantastic mood now after the 4-1 win and the ashes being retained, i will give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he does it he starts on Saturday .

 

I probably agree, i would rather start Barnard TBH as i rate him, but then why should Lambert get an automatic slot ? Fantastic last season and has had a bit of a bumpy ride this one as his 2 goals from open play suggest. Still, on top form he is arguably the best striker in league 1.

 

I don't think we should just chuck Barnard in for every minute we can however as we have a few games catching up and it will eventually take its toll on the side. Barnard is one of my favourite players aswell BTW, but it is because of his workrate, something that i think Guly has aswell as what i would say good vision, technique and brain which is why i tend to let him off the odd miss.

 

TBF the whole team both this season and last (mainly this) seem to fluff many many easy chances, in fact more than opposition teams seem to squander. We need to get better at converting thats for sure, but i certainly couldn't just mark one player as being very bad at it.

 

I am not personally attacking you BTW Appy, i just think having Guly in the squad for the rest of the season surely has more positives then negatives.

[Appy]

I hope Appy is happy that he's knocked the lad's confidence to the extent he doesn't even clap the fans at the end. Not surprising that he was f*cked off with the boo-boys after he put in a decent performance which produced 2 assists.

 

I didn't boo him, i'd never boo one of your own players during a match, sorry for once giving my opinion strongly, i won't bother in future if people throw their toys out of the pram.

 

I assume if Guly doesn't sign on a permenant deal and goes back to Italy that is my fault?

[Chez]

I hope Appy is happy that he's knocked the lad's confidence to the extent he doesn't even clap the fans at the end. Not surprising that he was f*cked off with the boo-boys after he put in a decent performance which produced 2 assists.

he walked straight off, but clapped fans in the itchen. I think he was perhaps more narked at Lambert for not letting him take the free kick than the fans. He wasn't booed, there were just some loud growns when he missed.

[Chez]

don't think Barnard would have had those chances though.

 

why not?

[buctootim]

That was three different options by the way, not the tactic for one match.

 

Okay, fair does. Definitely makes more sense that way!

[NickG]

Appy having a shocker here. As asked in another thread, I have yet to hear or see anyone put a decent arguement for him having a bad game today. People realise there is more to football than just shooting?

 

His link up play with Lallana, Oxo, and even sometimes Lambert was class. He got 2 assists. He could and should have had more assists if Lallana had taken his chances, Which as I see it is the only reason Guly is getting slated so why not slate Lallana too? He missed worse chances.

 

Also i'm not a big fan of the argument that he's not a striker. He's a central player. Either in midfield or as a deep lying striker. He fits in as a deep lying striker because we don't need or play that kind of midfielder, the league doesn't call for a attacking midfielder, he's only going to play for us upfront with 1 other, which is perfect for him and us because he becomes useful in games where a striker like Barnard may be nullified. He's a different option uptop, he'll drop deep, he'll link up player better than Barnard, he'll bring Lallana and Oxlade into the game and present them with goal scoring chances, whereas Barnard won't, he'll rely on the wingers to supply him. So Guly is a different option and gives us a different way of playing.

 

His finishing was poor today. So what? He's going to be one of those players, one game we'll love him, the next he'll be frustrating. Get over it. Depresses me that our fans are such mongs that we can't appreciate and accommodate a player with a touch of class about him, that sometimes it won't come off.

 

Today he was central to everything we did.

 

People finding him an easy target, but being honest Lallana and him had the same game today. If Guly had stuck one of those chances away, which with a bit more luck he might well have done because Huddersfield put some good blocks in, he'd be being bummed all over this board.

 

Now let me hear something other than "Oh but he didn't score" as a creditable argument as to why people are slating him....

 

good post. Think some just judge on shots and physical players running fast - not appreciating good football which is needed particularly to open team at home

[S-Clarke]

You can see why Adkins plays him up top - he's a constant presence and a nuisance to the CB's with his running and some very clever movement too. He's never been a natural finisher or goalscorer, so it's unfair to compare him to barnard for e.g. Some of his touches and movement are class and of a different level at times.

 

Some of our fans wouldn't know a good player if it slapped them in the face. - hence the amount of ''rubbish players that left us'' who are now 2 divisions above us.

[landford.saint]

Did people watch the whole match or just the bits in the boxes... Guly was central to our play today. His link up play was lovely to watch, his dropping off play and pulling defenders with him causing holes in their defence was class... So he missed some half chances that some of our other forwards wouldn't have been fast enough to get to in the first place. Class player, Not MOTM but close to it.

[Thedelldays]

Did people watch the whole match or just the bits in the boxes... Guly was central to our play today. His link up play was lovely to watch, his dropping off play and pulling defenders with him causing holes in their defence was class... So he missed some half chances that some of our other forwards wouldn't have been fast enough to get to in the first place. Class player, Not MOTM but close to it.

 

ok..I may have been over critical..I just dont rate him that highly..

as for saying other forwards would not have been quick enough...his free header..the two times he was put through on the right and skied them both...the chance he had in the middle of the 6 yard box..

I also think he is slow (at times) on the ball...

 

hey ho..we won so onwards and upwards

[OldNick]

Guly is a very good footballer. He caused them lots of problems and set up at least one goal. The way fans drool over AL and then slate Guly is remarkable. AL's misses ,could easily could have cost us the game, but he is not questioned. All the body language stuff is a nonsense as well. It seems if you run around like a headless chicken but do nothing in doing so , you are a star, but if you come alive when you need to, you are not interested. Late in the second half the ball was knocked down the line and the defender looked comfortable to go and clear it, but Guly sprinted to the ball and so nearly pick-pocketed the player and was unlucky that the ball just went over for a throw.

I agree that Guly should be in midfield and have stated before he could be our Vierra (not as good of course), he is powerful and has pace.

Barnard may well not be at the club due to off field problems, Connely cannot last the game and so Iam very happy to have Guly to call upon.

[saint_stevo]

If Waigo had played like that (like he did a lot last season) i don't think this thread would exist

[JustMike]

lets put this another way. Would you sign him in January?

[skintsaint]

lets put this another way. Would you sign him in January?

 

Depends how much, not for more than 500k I reckon.

[eurosaint]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have we not just witnessed one of the best team performances of the season to date and achieved a comprehensive win against one of our main rivals ??

Personally I could not pick out an MOTM and equally thought that nobody had a 'mare' !

Given this, I cannot understand why Guly is singled out for criticism, particularly as he supplied 2 quality assists out of our 4 goals !!

[torsaint]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have we not just witnessed one of the best team performances of the season to date and achieved a comprehensive win against one of our main rivals ??

Personally I could not pick out an MOTM and equally thought that nobody had a 'mare' !

Given this, I cannot understand why Guly is singled out for criticism, particularly as he supplied 2 quality assists out of our 4 goals !!

 

Not only that but one of his shots was from outside the right corner of the box from a pass from Schneiderlin who was in a much better central position to shoot. We really did play with verve today so let's lay off the players shall we.

[derry]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have we not just witnessed one of the best team performances of the season to date and achieved a comprehensive win against one of our main rivals ??

Personally I could not pick out an MOTM and equally thought that nobody had a 'mare' !

Given this, I cannot understand why Guly is singled out for criticism, particularly as he supplied 2 quality assists out of our 4 goals !!

 

Because of tunnel vision and and a dearth of football knowledge. He is a good player at this level at the very minimum. He pulled the Huddersfield defenders all over the place with his movement and passing. He'll do for me.

[miserableoldgit]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have we not just witnessed one of the best team performances of the season to date and achieved a comprehensive win against one of our main rivals ??

Personally I could not pick out an MOTM and equally thought that nobody had a 'mare' !

Given this, I cannot understand why Guly is singled out for criticism, particularly as he supplied 2 quality assists out of our 4 goals !!

It is because some fans always have to have a "Pantomime Villain" to have a go at. Yes, Guly missed 2 or 3 good chances (as did AL) but let`s ignore the good stuff that he he did and concentrate on the negatives, shall we?? IMHO he is a decent footballer and a good addition to our squad. I wouldn`t pretend that he is the next Ronaldo, but for a team at our level with our ambitions, I think that he will prove his worth.