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Thanks for the tip Dune.

Now me and my anti hunting friends can come along and join in with the fun.Hopefully we can play "topple a toff?"

 

Except it isn't only toffs who hunt. And it isn't toffs who work in the stables. Nor is it toffs who are whippers-in nor a myriad of other jobs and positions associated with hunting.

 

Of course, I am sure there are plenty of positions opening for vermin shooters. Still perfectly legal - and encouraged - to trap the Fluffy Lickle Foxy Woxy in a tiny cage, sometimes for 48 hours or more before the licensed exterminator sticks his shotgun in and blasts the verminous beast to smithereens.

 

By the way, do you wear leather? Eat chickens? Or are you whiter than white? Probably you are just like all the other 'antis' who just like creating class-war where none exists. The vast, vast majority of country folk associated with hunting have not a drop of 'blue blood' between them. And a lot of the land owners are tenant farmers who want the bloody vermin chased off their land.

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1976-Child,im not against controling foxes,or wearing leather,eating meat etc.Also i know what foxes are capable of.Yes they kill and they kill more than they can eat.

But ive never ever seen the need to unleash a pack of hounds onto an animal so it can be torn to pieces.Hunters also used to dig foxes out of their dens and kill them.Hardly a "sport" is it?

And while we are on the subject,tell me what happens to the dogs when they get old?Ive seen with my own eyes,where healthy dogs have been put down because they are of no more use. I suppose you will now tell me that "Country folk" have a devine right to do what they like,like breaking the hunting ban,just because they live there.

There no doubt that hunting is barbaric and the people who do it are morons.

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1976-Child,im not against controling foxes,or wearing leather,eating meat etc.Also i know what foxes are capable of.Yes they kill and they kill more than they can eat.

But ive never ever seen the need to unleash a pack of hounds onto an animal so it can be torn to pieces.Hunters also used to dig foxes out of their dens and kill them.Hardly a "sport" is it?

And while we are on the subject,tell me what happens to the dogs when they get old?Ive seen with my own eyes,where healthy dogs have been put down because they are of no more use. I suppose you will now tell me that "Country folk" have a devine right to do what they like,like breaking the hunting ban,just because they live there.

There no doubt that hunting is barbaric and the people who do it are morons.

 

Hunting is the just one cost-effective way to control the pest. No responsible hunt will ever 'dispose' of hounds (they're not dogs) in a 'barbaric' way. And you tell me how many pet dogs are destroyed because they are not wanted? Thousands. Hounds are not pets. They are working animals.

 

I will not tell you that 'country folk' have a divine right to do anything. But then nor do antis have a divine right to trespass on other people's land, cause mayhem and endanger horse and rider alike. Hunting is no more 'barbaric' (an opinion) than keeping thousands upon thousands of chickens/cows/pigs in revolting mega-farms just so people can have their KFC burgers as cheap as possible. And you lost the argument the moment you resorted to ad hominem attacks such as referring to those who hunt as 'morons'.

 

Tell you what, why don't you and your anti friends go and turn your attention to the aforementioned mega-farms if you are so concerned about animal welfare. Good luck convincing any politician to put a bill before parliament outlawing them. The only reason hunting was banned was because Blair needed to dangle some red meat in front of the militant wing of the labour party. He himself was on record as saying that if he could have avoided it he would have. It was legislation based purely on the pent up hatred of a tiny subset of people after 18 years of Tory rule who wanted nothing better than to stick one to the Toffs, even though as I have pointed out most people working in hunting were not in a million years Toffs.

 

Intolerance. That was all it was. And p!ss poor legislation to boot.

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How is hunting cost effective?Surely it costs more to have horses,dogs and all of the people who follow hunting,than just setting a few traps,or even by shooting foxes?

People who hunt do so because it gives them enjoyment,it has nothing to do with cost.

You do make a very good point though about the way our meat is farmed and i agree with you that another way must be found.I never knowingly eat anything i think has been treated inhumanly(though i admit thats difficult to find out sometimes).

As for the hunting ban,most people i know agree that it should stay,nut i guess thats the circles i move in.You could probaly find friends to support your stance.

I dont think the ban was intolerant,it was just about stopping cruelty and suffering.

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1976-Child,im not against controling foxes,or wearing leather,eating meat etc.Also i know what foxes are capable of.Yes they kill and they kill more than they can eat.

But ive never ever seen the need to unleash a pack of hounds onto an animal so it can be torn to pieces.Hunters also used to dig foxes out of their dens and kill them.Hardly a "sport" is it?

And while we are on the subject,tell me what happens to the dogs when they get old?Ive seen with my own eyes,where healthy dogs have been put down because they are of no more use. I suppose you will now tell me that "Country folk" have a devine right to do what they like,like breaking the hunting ban,just because they live there.

There no doubt that hunting is barbaric and the people who do it are morons.

 

I have no interest in a townies view of something that doesn't concern them.

 

Tally ho.

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Hunting is the just one cost-effective way to control the pest.

 

As per my post last year, fox hunting is not a very efficient way of controlling the fox population, nor is it cost efficient (in fact the economic cost/benefit to the countryside of keeping a hunt going was one of the reasons used by The Countryside Alliance for opposing the ban).

 

Lamping of a nighttime is an efficient and cost effective method of control. Done it for both foxes and rabbits and it's somewhat cheaper than keeping pack of hound and the trappings of a hunt ticking over. Fox hunting is primarilya social/cultural/sporting event, it's certainly not an efficient method of pest control. Arguing from that's angle only undermines the case for hunting.

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As per my post last year, fox hunting is not a very efficient way of controlling the fox population, nor is it cost efficient (in fact the economic cost/benefit to the countryside of keeping a hunt going was one of the reasons used by The Countryside Alliance for opposing the ban).

 

It's a sport so the cost isn't the issue. It's simply good fun with the added bonus of eradicating some vermin.

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1976-Child,im not against controling foxes,or wearing leather,eating meat etc.Also i know what foxes are capable of.Yes they kill and they kill more than they can eat.

But ive never ever seen the need to unleash a pack of hounds onto an animal so it can be torn to pieces.Hunters also used to dig foxes out of their dens and kill them.Hardly a "sport" is it?

And while we are on the subject,tell me what happens to the dogs when they get old?Ive seen with my own eyes,where healthy dogs have been put down because they are of no more use. I suppose you will now tell me that "Country folk" have a devine right to do what they like,like breaking the hunting ban,just because they live there.

There no doubt that hunting is barbaric and the people who do it are morons.

 

My defintion of a moron is somebody who passes judgement on something that he knows nothing about.

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My defintion of a moron is somebody who passes judgement on something that he knows nothing about.

 

I agree! On the issue of hunting no one can possibly call me a moron (although admittedly following the beagles is more my cuppa. And our beagles are so feking inbred they have had almost all their 'nose' corrupted and hence very rarely give Hare a scare)

 

The 'antis' though, do not know much about hunting. All they see is the class war (never mind that most of them are posh middle-class townies from the home counties just going through a rebellious phase).

 

Btw. although it is illegal to get a bunch of beagles to chase down a hare, it is not illegal if their quarry is a common garden wabbit. Cracking legislation is that! (because the muppets who drafted it knew that wabbits wearly are wermin and plenty of doggies belonging to the Islington set will chase wabbits as well)

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No it wasn't. It was class thing. Socialists getting one over their superiors.

If that was the case,then surely it would have been banned outright?

Can someone please tell me why the hunting lot are not happy with the ban how it is now?No jobs were lost,like the pro hunting lot said there would be and no animals had to be put down in their thousandsIf you want to wear silliy clothes and chase things on a horse,then you can still do this.No difference at all,unless you actually enjoy watching some defenceless creature being torn to shreds?

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If that was the case,then surely it would have been banned outright?

Can someone please tell me why the hunting lot are not happy with the ban how it is now?No jobs were lost,like the pro hunting lot said there would be and no animals had to be put down in their thousandsIf you want to wear silliy clothes and chase things on a horse,then you can still do this.No difference at all,unless you actually enjoy watching some defenceless creature being torn to shreds?

 

Simply wrong.

 

And hunting is not just about chasing things on a horse. It is actually about keeping fox numbers under control.

 

I'd like to have seen Blair try and ban the most popular past-time in the country - angling. More than 5,000,000 people partake in angling, some more frequently than others for sure but that is a lot of people to p!ss off. Of course, Blair wasn't about to try and ban a 'cruel' sport such as angling, where fishy wishy gets hooked on a sharp barb, hoiked out of the water measured, photographed and chucked back in again.... only to be hooked again at a later date. And you know why Blair wouldn't have dared? Because the vast majority of anglers are working class. No perceived class warfare there.

 

Tell me, are you against pheasant shoots too? Seeing as you have said that you do eat meat and poultry I darn well hope you aren't against it or your are very hypocritical! The pheasants are raised, sure, but are as free-ranged as it gets. If I was a poultry I would much rather be a pheasant and have a natural life and take my chances with the guns than be forced fed in a mega-barn alongside 10,000 other birds with no room to move at all.

 

Yet as soon as the 'antis' succeeded in getting the hunting ban done and dusted they immediately started lobbying for a ban on shooting too. No doubt most of them also want the cheapest meat possible and still wear leather (which is a profitable by-product of the beef industry. No intensely reared cows, no leather for the masses.)

 

Hypocrisy stinks.

 

On that note, Merry Christmas!

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Anyone who enjoys killing animals for fun lacks intelligence.

 

Do you eat meat? Where do you buy it from? Do you enjoy eating meat? Do you derive pleasure from a nice meaty meal? If so, you are a total hypocrite. Just because you didn't slaughter the animal yourself doesn't mean you are not benefiting and gaining pleasure from its death.

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Simply wrong.

 

And hunting is not just about chasing things on a horse. It is actually about keeping fox numbers under control.

 

 

Yes it is. If it were just about keeping fox numbers under control then they would be trapped.

 

Some people enjoy hunting and killing things. Others people think those who hunt are psychologically suspect. Its got nothing to do with eating meat or wearing leather and everything to do with chasing and killing things for fun with no chance of the hunter actually being at risk. If they went after lions or elephants with a bow and arrow Id have a different attitude to them.

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Do you eat meat? Where do you buy it from? Do you enjoy eating meat? Do you derive pleasure from a nice meaty meal? If so, you are a total hypocrite. Just because you didn't slaughter the animal yourself doesn't mean you are not benefiting and gaining pleasure from its death.

 

Killing animals to eat and doing it for a laff are two completely different things.

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Simply wrong.

 

And hunting is not just about chasing things on a horse. It is actually about keeping fox numbers under control.

 

I'd like to have seen Blair try and ban the most popular past-time in the country - angling. More than 5,000,000 people partake in angling, some more frequently than others for sure but that is a lot of people to p!ss off. Of course, Blair wasn't about to try and ban a 'cruel' sport such as angling, where fishy wishy gets hooked on a sharp barb, hoiked out of the water measured, photographed and chucked back in again.... only to be hooked again at a later date. And you know why Blair wouldn't have dared? Because the vast majority of anglers are working class. No perceived class warfare there.

 

Tell me, are you against pheasant shoots too? Seeing as you have said that you do eat meat and poultry I darn well hope you aren't against it or your are very hypocritical! The pheasants are raised, sure, but are as free-ranged as it gets. If I was a poultry I would much rather be a pheasant and have a natural life and take my chances with the guns than be forced fed in a mega-barn alongside 10,000 other birds with no room to move at all.

 

Yet as soon as the 'antis' succeeded in getting the hunting ban done and dusted they immediately started lobbying for a ban on shooting too. No doubt most of them also want the cheapest meat possible and still wear leather (which is a profitable by-product of the beef industry. No intensely reared cows, no leather for the masses.)

 

Hypocrisy stinks.

 

On that note, Merry Christmas!

 

Yes it does.

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Yes it is. If it were just about keeping fox numbers under control then they would be trapped. Some people enjoy hunting and killing things. Others people think those who hunt are pschologically suspect.

 

No. Hunting is not only done on a horse. Please see my post just above yours and answer me the questions vis-a-vis meat used in human food.

 

Some people thing those who like to ban others from doing things that they dislike are psychologically suspect, and almost certainly hypocrites.

 

Give me a vegan who wears no leather or in any other way uses animals for their own ends (and there are some who strive to live their life in this manner) and I will respect them enormously. The majority of Britons who were emotionally against hunting stuff their faces with food produced in the most inhumane manner, in a manner which most hunters would be physically sick to see.

 

But hey, just so long as the killing is done away from people's sensitivities then we can all pretend we are Holier Than Thou!

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Killing animals to eat and doing it for a laff are two completely different things.

 

Really?

 

Who says?

 

Not having a care in the world where one's food comes from, just so long as it is dirt cheap and plentiful is terrible. Having a 'laff' while down the KFC is no different to deriving pleasure from hunting vermin which ruin one's livelihood.

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No. Hunting is not only done on a horse. Please see my post just above yours and answer me the questions vis-a-vis meat used in human food.

 

Some people thing those who like to ban others from doing things that they dislike are psychologically suspect, and almost certainly hypocrites.

 

Give me a vegan who wears no leather or in any other way uses animals for their own ends (and there are some who strive to live their life in this manner) and I will respect them enormously. The majority of Britons who were emotionally against hunting stuff their faces with food produced in the most inhumane manner, in a manner which most hunters would be physically sick to see.

 

But hey, just so long as the killing is done away from people's sensitivities then we can all pretend we are Holier Than Thou!

 

You REALLY can't see a difference in killing something to eat and killing something for a laff?

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No. Hunting is not only done on a horse. Please see my post just above yours and answer me the questions vis-a-vis meat used in human food.

 

Some people thing those who like to ban others from doing things that they dislike are psychologically suspect, and almost certainly hypocrites.

 

Give me a vegan who wears no leather or in any other way uses animals for their own ends (and there are some who strive to live their life in this manner) and I will respect them enormously. The majority of Britons who were emotionally against hunting stuff their faces with food produced in the most inhumane manner, in a manner which most hunters would be physically sick to see.

 

But hey, just so long as the killing is done away from people's sensitivities then we can all pretend we are Holier Than Thou!

 

You have a point about the cruelty of factory farming, but that doesnt detract from the points regarding hunting.

 

People who chase foxes on horses and rip them to pieces with dogs are no better than people who catch cats and disembowel them on trees. Its the taking pleasure in the death that is disturbing, not the death itself. Im glad the Dignatas assisted suicide clinic exists and the doctors who help distressed people end their lives are to be applauded. However Im sure if they thought for one minute one of their staff worked there because they enjoyed killing people they'd be sacked on the spot -quite rightly.

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Really?

 

Who says?

 

Not having a care in the world where one's food comes from, just so long as it is dirt cheap and plentiful is terrible. Having a 'laff' while down the KFC is no different to deriving pleasure from hunting vermin which ruin one's livelihood.

 

I have nothing against farmers who kill vermin, just ass-holes who kill for fun.

 

It's nothing to do with class, I also hate pikies who organise dog fights.

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The thing that I find most annoying is that a large number of important issues affecting those in rural area's of which fox hunting is the least of the problems but that any organisation trying to raise awareness of these 'countryside' issues is hijacked by the 'pro hunting' elements and all we hear from these people is about hunting. Does anyone remember the "Countryside Alliance" going on about anything besides fox hunting?

 

Its this stifling of these other issues by putting fox hunting to the front and centre that is annoying. I grew up 'up in the downs', a fox hunt visited once a year and had minimal impact (besides even more inconsiderate than usual parking) compared to the disappearance throughout the years of local amenities that ended up causing my mother to move.

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You REALLY can't see a difference in killing something to eat and killing something for a laff?

 

Like I said above.

 

Btw, if you believe that all hunting is about is 'having a laff' then I guess there is no point trying to educate you otherwise. There is a lot more to hunting. I don't doubt for a minute that some ***ts from the city go hunting just to engage in a bit of social climbing, and frankly a lot of smaller less 'prestigious' hunts frown on the money-making hunts (where it can cost many thousands to join).

 

This whole debate, I'm afraid, always degenerates into ignorant (but maybe well meaning) people slagging off other people. And on that note I am going to go and cook some lovely organic beef stew.

 

Have a Happy Christmas everyone.

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Hunting is not just about chasing things on a horse. It is about keeping fox numbers down.

 

But it's not a very good way of doing it.

 

I used to be involved with running pheasant shoot and we had a lot problems with foxes. The hunt were allowed on this particular part but they were hopeless at actually catching anything. The fox would just move to land where the hunt didn't go. Shooting, carried out by the right people, is far more effective.

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Just read through this thread.

Living in the country, having worked with game keepers,farmers etc, some of the views/prejudices in this thread i find laughable.

 

It's very amusing. You just need to accept that the townies will never understand the countryside.

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I'm a country boy, born on a farm, once went to a meet forming up, interesting spectacle soon got bored. I'm not for or against hunting. I just think the people around hunts seem a lot more normal than the anti hunt activists that seem the same sort of wierdos that seem to inhabit 'peace camps', demonstrations etc tilting at windmills. If they really wanted to help the world helping to feed the homeless would be a start.

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I'm a country boy, born on a farm, once went to a meet forming up, interesting spectacle soon got bored. I'm not for or against hunting. I just think the people around hunts seem a lot more normal than the anti hunt activists that seem the same sort of wierdos that seem to inhabit 'peace camps', demonstrations etc tilting at windmills. If they really wanted to help the world helping to feed the homeless would be a start.

 

Are you from Londonderry NI?

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is the ban full time? Is this board that serious? He seemed like a good laugh!

 

He was banned for posting silly comments on every single thread. When he confined his 'humour' to one or two threads then it was tolerable and sometimes even faintly amusing.

 

Some people like this jonnyboy or whatever his name is have no personality of their own on here so still use his old display picture in the hope that they can be a bit like him. That is infinitely more tragic than deppo ever was.

 

Happy Christmas.

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Some people like this jonnyboy or whatever his name is have no personality of their own on here so still use his old display picture in the hope that they can be a bit like him. That is infinitely more tragic than deppo ever was.

 

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I'm a country boy, born on a farm, once went to a meet forming up, interesting spectacle soon got bored. I'm not for or against hunting. I just think the people around hunts seem a lot more normal than the anti hunt activists that seem the same sort of wierdos that seem to inhabit 'peace camps', demonstrations etc tilting at windmills. If they really wanted to help the world helping to feed the homeless would be a start.

 

There are a lot of people in the country that do not agree with fox hunting. My father, a farmer for 50 years, for example. Many of the people around the village that my parents knew were also opposed to fox hunting. Just because people in the countryside don't go out and attempt to sabotage hunts does not mean they are all in favour of fox hunting. Do not assume all those in favour of fox hunting are from the countryside and all those against are from towns.

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There are a lot of people in the country that do not agree with fox hunting. My father, a farmer for 50 years, for example. Many of the people around the village that my parents knew were also opposed to fox hunting. Just because people in the countryside don't go out and attempt to sabotage hunts does not mean they are all in favour of fox hunting. Do not assume all those in favour of fox hunting are from the countryside and all those against are from towns.

 

Agree anyway all I see are sad nutjobs on horses who need to get a life but little things please tiny minds I suppose.

 

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