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Did anyone watch 'The Shooting Party' on BBC 2 the other day? Great film. Available on iPlayer still.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0079393

 

"The Shooting Party is a 1985 film directed by Alan Bridges and based on the book of the same name by Isabel Colegate. The film is set in 1913 and shows the way of life of English aristocrats, gathered for pheasant shooting and general self-indulgence. Their way of life is contrasted with the local rural poor, who serve as 'beaters', driving the game for the aristocrats to shoot. There is also an early and very genteel animal-rights/socialist activist (played by John Gielgud).

 

There is a general feeling of the end of a way of life, as the characters go about their lives unaware of the coming war (World War I) and the changes it will bring. The older standards of the gentry have slipped and they are no longer sure what they are doing or why. Traditional functions of the aristocracy are undermined by their hypocrisies, contemplations and revelations, the discontent of the lower classes and politically minded characters."

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Lol

 

Top post in responce to the dulldays and dunce thicko show.

 

Please don't encourage him... me! I meant 'me'. Don't encourage me. God, it was like I'd become a completely different person then. I really must try and cement my posting style.

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I've already mentioned that I only buy free range chicken partly because it's raised more slowly and thus tastes better and partly because i'm against intensive chicken/egg production for ethical reasons.

 

You are a typical townie with your sanctimonious and ignorant views of country pursuits whilst at the same time turning a blind eye to intensive farming and financially supporting it.

 

I would suggest to all those who like to crusade against country pursuits to attend a game fair (preferably the CLA game fair) and you'll see how much countryside people that hunt and shoot care for the environment.

 

Although i previously said that in 90% of cases i try hard to buy higher welfare meats and animal products however in some situations, yes, i fall prey to the easy and somewhat widespread cheap meats that are available. I am not perfect.

 

I will never ever however go out to intentionally maim and cause terror, pain to a living thing as IMO that makes you sub human, we are beings of reason and apparant intelligence however if you feel it to be perfectly acceptable for some jumped up c*nt to gain pleasure from causing pain to another living thing then i would suggest you need to have a long hard look at yourself and your values.

 

The perfect example of an oxymoron

 

And with Dune we have the perfect example of a f*cking moron.

 

Shame aswell, i thought Delldays was a little misunderstood but his arguements on this thread are baseless and he is coming across as a bit of a heartless idiot.

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Although i previously said that in 90% of cases i try hard to buy higher welfare meats and animal products however in some situations, yes, i fall prey to the easy and somewhat widespread cheap meats that are available. I am not perfect.

 

I will never ever however go out to intentionally maim and cause terror, pain to a living thing as IMO that makes you sub human, we are beings of reason and apparant intelligence however if you feel it to be perfectly acceptable for some jumped up c*nt to gain pleasure from causing pain to another living thing then i would suggest you need to have a long hard look at yourself and your values.

 

The kill isn't the pleasureable part of hunting, the chase and being out in the open countryside is the pleasureable part. It's the same with fly fishing, the fight and being in a lovely environment is the pleasureable part, not hitting the trout over the head.

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The kill isn't the pleasureable part of hunting, the chase and being out in the open countryside is the pleasureable part. It's the same with fly fishing, the fight and being in a lovely environment is the pleasureable part, not hitting the trout over the head.

 

Not convinced. Think you like the killing a lot more than you're willing to let on...

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Not convinced. Think you like the killing a lot more than you're willing to let on...

 

That's nonsense. There's no pleasure in it, it just has to be done. A quick tap on the head and the trout is dead and it's lived a happy life swimming around doing fishy things up to that point.

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That's nonsense. There's no pleasure in it, it just has to be done. A quick tap on the head and the trout is dead and it's lived a happy life swimming around doing fishy things up to that point.

 

Not specifically talking about the fish. Running theme here that you just like killing things. Issues.

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Not specifically talking about the fish. Running theme here that you just like killing things. Issues.

 

Not at all. I like eating meat, fish and poultry because it tastes nice. Just enjoyed a lovely piece of gammon. I'm now going to top up my feeders with niger seeds, sunflower cornels, and nuts.

 

You don't understand the countryside. Stick to your city and leave the countryside to the people that live there.

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It's good to see some Labour MP's aren't ignorant class warriors. I have long been a fan of Kate Hoey.

 

To seek to improve the welfare of wildlife is right, but to target one method of control on the basis of either prejudice or ignorance and at the same time ignore the possible detrimental consequences is not only deplorable, but also doomed to disaster.

 

That is what has happened to the Hunting Act.

 

It began with pre-conceived ideas about hunting that were already held by Labour MPs.

 

Add in an unwillingness to properly examine the process of hunting and to disregard scientific research that did not support a ban, and we can see a pattern forming.

 

Then there comes the difficulty of drafting the Hunting Bill. This was not as easy as might have been thought, given that it is the hound that hunts rather than the human.

 

Exemptions had to be included supposedly allowing "pest control" while cleansing the hunting process of any "killing for fun". Why pest control is somehow better for the quarry animals concerned than an activity that has an element of sport involved is a mystery and leads to a twisted sense of logic.

 

Under the Hunting Act, terriers can be used on a fox underground to protect birds that are to be shot and yet exactly the same process cannot be used to protect a farmer's livestock or to save a rare ground nesting bird.

 

Dogs are permitted to kill a rabbit, but not a hare. Dogs are permitted to kill a rat, but not a mouse. No wonder Defra officials, shortly after the law came into force, changed their minds four times when trying to clarify a particular use of dogs and now state that it all comes down to intention – a word that does not appear in the Hunting Act. So our police officers have to be mind readers, too!

 

Yorkshire has more hunts than any other county with 22 packs of fox hounds as well as beagles, harriers and mink hounds. Yet not a single person connected to a hunt in Yorkshire has been convicted of, or even charged with, a Hunting Act offence – despite countless allegations from animal rights activists.

 

The vast majority of people who have been convicted under the Hunting Act could probably have been prosecuted under previously existing laws. As one judge commented: "The law is far from simple to interpret or to apply; it seems to us that any given set of facts may be susceptible to differing interpretations."

 

Despite the many hours of film footage passed to the police and the Crown Prosecution Service by the self-appointed "monitors" who follow hunts and see illegal hunting at every corner, only three prosecutions of hunt officials have been successful.

 

The one means of control that is selective and non-wounding has been outlawed. A process that emulates the way in which wolves hunt and targets the old, weak, ailing and injured animals has been banned. The only method that utilises a "search and dispatch" facility is regarded as unacceptable by the British government.

 

So what has happened to the welfare of the quarry species under the Hunting Act? Odd that not one penny has been spent by those determined to ban hunting to ascertain exactly what the welfare benefits are for

our wildlife.

 

The limited evidence that is available indicates no saving of lives and an increase in suffering just as the scientific evidence presented before the Act said wildlife welfare would deteriorate.

 

That is why all genuine supporters of our wildlife, both hunter and non-hunter alike, should demand the immediate repeal of this bad law by whichever party wins the General Election.

 

It is a huge regret to me, as a Labour MP, that in the last 12 years the Government could not have shown as much energy and commitment on rural affordable housing, local services and rural business as they did on hunting.

 

Perhaps, if they had done so, the countryside would be a wealthier, healthier and happier place.

 

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/hunting-campaigns/hunting-views/kate-hoey-mp-on-why-repeal-is-needed/

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Not at all. I like eating meat, fish and poultry because it tastes nice. Just enjoyed a lovely piece of gammon. I'm now going to top up my feeders with niger seeds, sunflower cornels, and nuts.

 

You don't understand the countryside. Stick to your city and leave the countryside to the people that live there.

 

How do you know where I live? Stalker aswell as a murderer? I'm sure not everyone in the countryside shares your views as per many of the posts above.

 

You say I don't understand but that's a pointless comment as you clearly don't understand the opposite point of view either. I'm done with this thread - you keep taking lives for the mere short lived satisfaction of taste and desire to kill and I'll keep thinking you're a cruel ****.... Next subject please...

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How do you know where I live? Stalker aswell as a murderer? I'm sure not everyone in the countryside shares your views as per many of the posts above.

 

You say I don't understand but that's a pointless comment as you clearly don't understand the opposite point of view either. I'm done with this thread - you keep taking lives for the mere short lived satisfaction of taste and desire to kill and I'll keep thinking you're a cruel ****.... Next subject please...

 

Out of interest do you eat dairy products and do you wear leather shoes?

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I eat dairy products, wear leather shoes, eat meat and like to f*ck farmyard animals. None of which make me a hypocrite for opposing foxhunting. Unless you have a simple brain, which sees things in black and white and can't understand the complexities of ideas. In which case it is entirely hypocritical. Oh well.

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I eat dairy products, wear leather shoes, eat meat and like to f*ck farmyard animals. None of which make me a hypocrite for opposing foxhunting.

 

Fox hunting is the most humane method of controlling Foxes. You are clearly ignorant if you are against it.

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If you haven't got the mental capacity to debate a given thread that is your problem.

 

Doubt that you are qualified to make such a judgement, but here's some information that might help.

 

Completing a Capacity Assessment – for a specific decision at a specific time.

 

A two-stage approach to determining lack of capacity – Mental Capacity Act 2005 Section 2

 

Diagnostic Test.

 

A person lacks capacity in relation to a matter if at the material time he is unable to make a decision for himself/herself in relation to the matter because of an impairment of, or a disturbance in the functioning of, the mind or brain.

 

It does not matter if this impairment or disturbance is permanent or temporary and some decisions will need to be made even though a person may regain capacity within a short space of time.

 

Functional Test.

 

A person is unable to make a decision for themselves if they are unable –

 

a) To understand the relevant information to the decision.

b) To retain that information,

c) To use or weigh that information as part of the process of making the decision, or

d) To communicate his/her decision (whether by talking, using sign language or any means).

 

An inability to satisfy any one of these four conditions would render the person incapable.

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Fox hunting is the most humane method of controlling Foxes. You are clearly ignorant if you are against it.

 

I would have to say that that is not what the "countryfolk" who I hang out with would say. Having played football and cricket up at Mottisfont and surrounding areas for 20+ years I have had much time to talk and see a number of countryfolk in action. In the teams I have played and socialised with we have had a number of National trust wardens, river keepers, farmers, farm hands, land owners, tenants etc and they have always suggested that shooting is the best way (in terms of efficiency and humane treatment) to address any problems with foxes.

 

Having spent much time out that way, I have to say my attitude to a number of country sports has changed somewhat. Fox Hunting is a tradition and a sport (to some), but it is not an effective or humane way of controlling the fox population. There are many arguments for and against Fox Hunting, but IMHO a pro one is not that it is humane or efficient.

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I would have to say that that is not what the "countryfolk" who I hang out with would say. Having played football and cricket up at Mottisfont and surrounding areas for 20+ years I have had much time to talk and see a number of countryfolk in action. In the teams I have played and socialised with we have had a number of National trust wardens, river keepers, farmers, farm hands, land owners, tenants etc and they have always suggested that shooting is the best way (in terms of efficiency and humane treatment) to address any problems with foxes.

 

Having spent much time out that way, I have to say my attitude to a number of country sports has changed somewhat. Fox Hunting is a tradition and a sport (to some), but it is not an effective or humane way of controlling the fox population. There are many arguments for and against Fox Hunting, but IMHO a pro one is not that it is humane or efficient.

 

"Fox hunting is the most humane way of controlling foxes." Margaret Thatcher, 2008.

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The kill isn't the pleasureable part of hunting, the chase and being out in the open countryside is the pleasureable part. It's the same with fly fishing, the fight and being in a lovely environment is the pleasureable part, not hitting the trout over the head.

 

Dont you dare compare hunting with fly fishing.....:) if being out in the countryside is so important to you buy a ****en dog. I'll be out with my two tomorrow, I'll be fly fishing soon as well. I will never hunt.

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I wish you were as quick to comment on Churchill's quotes regarding people who read books of quotations/spout them off endlessly...

 

I've just been reading about the weirdo arrested in connection with the abduction of Jo Yeates. Apparently he's a retired teacher and a Liberal Democrat activist. He sounds just like you.;)

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