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Todays Echo says that Newcastle (Pardew) are looking for a winger (Puncheon) and saints can create a bidding war as other championship clubs are after him.

 

Also last time we beach blackpool in the FA cup we won it. FACKED!

 

they were being heavily linked with David Bentley last night. Not exactly a winger but a decent wide midfielder.

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I'd like to see Puncheon play tomorrow. Let's face it, we need back up to Oxo & Lallana, especially Oxo who struggles to play 90 mins. Here's a guy who has scored 5 in 7 games (I think) and is playing well in the NPC. If he can recreate that form again for us then great.

 

To dismiss him just because he had a poor run of form and had a bit of a run in (allegedly) with the coach is ludicrous IMO.

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I think we'll see our intentions over Puncheon tomorrow, if we are looking to move him on we wont want him cup tied, cause that may affect the price.

 

Is he not already cup tied from the earlier rounds? I think he'll go but not to Millwall. Otherwise they would have just extended his loan

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Is he not already cup tied from the earlier rounds? I think he'll go but not to Millwall. Otherwise they would have just extended his loan

 

I just checked, he didn't play in either the first or second round for Saints.

 

v Shrewsbury : Davis, Richardson, Jaidi, Harding, Seaborne, Hammond, Chaplow, Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain (Lambert, 66 ) , Do Prado (Holmes, 88 ) , Barnard (Connolly, 89 ) Subs not used: Dickson,Bialkowski,Wotton,Martin.

 

v Cheltenham : Bialkowski, Richardson (Butterfield, 42 ) , Jaidi, Dickson, Fonte, Hammond, Holmes (Oxlade-Chamberlain, 26 ) , Do Prado, Lallana, Gobern, Lambert (Harding, 46 ) Subs not used: Davis,Martin,Reeves,Doble.

 

Saints announced he'd joined Millwall on 16th November, http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2222518,00.html but as it says in the article, the loan expired on Jan 3rd.

 

His last game for Saints was at Notts County on 30th October, so he'd been omitted from 3 matches before he left :

 

Football League One Southampton 4-0 Dag & Red 02-11-2010

English FA Cup Southampton 2-0 Shrewsbury 06-11-2010

Football League One Carlisle 3-2 Southampton 13-11-2010

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Why must people like you always use such arrogant judgmental terms ?

 

It doesnt f**king matter who the problem is, the management or the player, or what the problem is, the simple fact of the matter is that he doesnt deliver for us, when he plays for us, in the style and set-up we play, we have done better without him, and he has done better without us. Seeing as we arent going to change a winning formula (unless it means getting in players better than we have), he is history where we are concerned and he is probably just as happy with that fact.

 

This stuff about him coming back here, being welcomed with open arms by everyone not just a small minority of deluded naiive happy-clappy fans, and carrying on where he left off at Millwall is complete fantasy b*ll*cks.

 

I would go some where in between here. Yes, we have had problems with Puncheon, because he would not listen to Adkins and he substituted him, resulting in the toys getting thrown out, but that does not mean things are not fixable. Puncheon was just like the rested of the squad at the start of the season, gave it a go in the first half, ran out of steam and ideas in the second half. Maybe that was again down to fitness or carrying an injury.

 

We need a player of Puncheons talent, if not necessarily him. Now Adkins is not daft and he will sit down with puncheon and lay out the various options with him, underlining that it is all down to Adkins what happens. It's not impossible to see that being to the benefit of both parties, whether that is for the window, until the end of the season or further. It can make a lot of sense for Puncheon to hold back for a moment to see what transpires with all the offers and the choices these present to him. If this coincides with Adkins believing he can make use of Puncheon within that period, then everyone's a winner.

 

From Puncheons attitude previously there may be the problem you are pointing out, but there are a lot of reasons here for both parties why they could not work something out for their mutual benefits. If Adkins feels he can get a better package by using the money from Puncheon on another target, I would expect him to do that. What I have severe doubts about is the ability to bring such a player to Saints in this window, underlining why it would make sense to find some middle ground with Puncheon.

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Professional Sport is as much in the mind as it is in the talent. We often hear about "giving that extra 5 or 10%.

 

In the aftermath of our Ashes Series win, there have been a whole host of articles about the Team Spirit and value of "togetherness" and commonality of goals since the arrival of Andy Flower. How the coaches have been able to get each player to understand what they need to do for the team and to g et them to give that extra 5% and execute on the field of play.

 

Almost everyone of those articles mentions how valuable Paul Collingwood has been in keeping that positive spirit alive, and how Graham Swann has contributed.

 

Equally the articles mention those who "sniped from the sidelines" or "those that didn't get with the program. Specifically mentioning the names of Owais Shah and Steve Harminson in one, and pointing out very clearly that they were discarded or have retiired, and that unity of spirit is now the dominant force in what England have achieved (as well as the Aussies being rubbish).

 

The point being that togetherness, and mental toughness are critical parts of building a successful team. Just one person sniping from the sidelines after a tough day or at the wrong moment can start to unravel the whole mental approach.

 

Look at this forum, there are Happy Clappys and there are the Manic Depressives. Does anyone honestly believe that a word in the ear is going to change the mentality of anyone in the extremes of each camp? And yet many believe that it is the Manager's job to do that to sort our Puncheon.

 

The management will have a go, they will make the effort, (maybe they have and it hasn't worked. maybe they have and it WILL work) but at the end of the day, if someone is a complete misfit and damages what you are trying to BUILD for the rest of the team then they HAVE to go.

 

On here they eventually get themselves banned. in the cricket team they've been left to rot in their Counties.

 

For us, I think the chance that Puncheon will change his spots is as likely as the ICC deciding that England cheated by practising too hard and using technology and hence awarding the Ashes back to the Aussies tomorrow morning.

 

If only "careful man management" could sort out the world's psycho/sociopaths and plain simple whingers we could all live in cloud cuckoo land.

 

JP talented footballer, but nutjob. There are better out there, let's con someone into giving us some dosh to get a team player in who knows when to pass and how to shoot.

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I think we'll see our intentions over Puncheon tomorrow, if we are looking to move him on we wont want him cup tied, cause that may affect the price.

 

Do you really think the sort of team that would want puncheon would be worried if he is cup tied?? Most potential suiters will probably be out of the cup after this weekend

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A HUGE difference.

 

I accuse people of talking b*ll*cks or being insane, I dont question their understanding of football in that Über Fan smug manner that is adopted by so many on here.

 

a view differing to yours isn't neccessarily boll@@cks as you arrogantly suggest (here and on Adins record thread) its often a differing subjective view, sometimes wrong - or more usually right.

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A HUGE difference.

 

I accuse people of talking b*ll*cks or being insane, I dont question their understanding of football in that Über Fan smug manner that is adopted by so many on here.

 

surely by saying they are talking b*ll*cks you are questioning their football understanding?

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surely by saying they are talking b*ll*cks you are questioning their football understanding?

 

Nope.

 

Just because someone writes a ridiculous comment about one footballing issue, does not lead me to conclude they know nothing about football, which is what you and the likes of NickG conclude. If that person then writes something which I believe to be correct on another occasion, I indicate my agreement in the usual manner.

 

Strangely enough, that rarely happens with NickG though. I am sure Southampton in Division One on Planet Zog really dont need to strengthen in this window, and that finishing is not important for strikers or attacking midfielders there...

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Nope.

 

Just because someone writes a ridiculous comment about one footballing issue, does not lead me to conclude they know nothing about football, which is what you and the likes of NickG conclude. If that person then writes something which I believe to be correct on another occasion, I indicate my agreement in the usual manner.

 

Strangely enough, that rarely happens with NickG though. I am sure Southampton in Division One on Planet Zog really dont need to strengthen in this window, and that finishing is not important for strikers or attacking midfielders there...

 

Right so saying someone is an idiot for not recognising a player is good is not a similar comment to someone making a comment you dont agree with and saying they are talking boll*cks? okay then!

 

In addition, can i assume judging by your prediction after day one of the first ashes test we will lose 5-0 you are an expert on Cricket as well as football?

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Why must people like you always use such arrogant judgmental terms ?

 

It doesnt f**king matter who the problem is, the management or the player, or what the problem is, the simple fact of the matter is that he doesnt deliver for us,

 

Because it is true Alps, and TBF, i generally give you the benefit of the doubt, but sorry you cannot categorically state that any player is completely 'crap' for us without having been there and watching them play, Highlights don't cut it and listening to big dave certainly doesn't

 

With the exception of the numerous times when he has, and the notable improvement that could be seen in his game when Adkins first arrived. Puncheon will probably have some ideas on why it worked for him at Millwall and I don't think Adkins is the kind of manager who will ignore the opportunity to get the best out of someone.

 

I think it may have something to do with the fact he is left footed and at Millwall he plays on the left. I summed up my take on his particular predicament here.

 

........So IMO it is much better having a player such as Punch's ability really driving at players, beating the full back and getting crosses in.

 

Unfortunately we do have (for this level) and very good player who plays very well as an inside forward as he is two footed, Lallana. We have all seen how dangerous he in on both feet, both cutting in and swinging in crosses and before AOC really grabbed the bulls by the horn the only other real winger we had was the left footed Puncheon, unfortunately this made us far too narrow and so he lost his place. If he was playing consistently on the left he would have probably kept it. But what with Lallana on one flank and an effective winger on the right it nullified his need as he was never going to oust Lallana for the left berth and cutting in isn't his game.

 

All IMO anyways. ..........

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Because it is true Alps, and TBF, i generally give you the benefit of the doubt, but sorry you cannot categorically state that any player is completely 'crap' for us without having been there and watching them play, Highlights don't cut it and listening to big dave certainly doesn't

 

 

 

I think it may have something to do with the fact he is left footed and at Millwall he plays on the left. I summed up my take on his particular predicament here.

 

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Nope.

 

Just because someone writes a ridiculous comment about one footballing issue, does not lead me to conclude they know nothing about football, which is what you and the likes of NickG conclude. If that person then writes something which I believe to be correct on another occasion, I indicate my agreement in the usual manner.

 

Strangely enough, that rarely happens with NickG though. I am sure Southampton in Division One on Planet Zog really dont need to strengthen in this window, and that finishing is not important for strikers or attacking midfielders there...

 

Trying to get Alpine Saint to see his inconsistencies, irrationalities, negativeness, would be like trying to get my wife to understand I am allways right.................... its not going to happen. But Alpine, for what it is worth if I was reading NickGs posts my opinion would be of a mature, reasoned, well balanced person. As often as not when i read your contributions I generally have the opposite opinion. Know this is of no help to you as I guess I will be a happy clapper or something, but just an observation.

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Trying to get Alpine Saint to see his inconsistencies, irrationalities, negativeness, would be like trying to get my wife to understand I am allways right.................... its not going to happen. But Alpine, for what it is worth if I was reading NickGs posts my opinion would be of a mature, reasoned, well balanced person. As often as not when i read your contributions I generally have the opposite opinion. Know this is of no help to you as I guess I will be a happy clapper or something, but just an observation.

 

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Nope.

 

Just because someone writes a ridiculous comment about one footballing issue, does not lead me to conclude they know nothing about football, which is what you and the likes of NickG conclude. If that person then writes something which I believe to be correct on another occasion, I indicate my agreement in the usual manner.

 

Strangely enough, that rarely happens with NickG though. I am sure Southampton in Division One on Planet Zog really dont need to strengthen in this window, and that finishing is not important for strikers or attacking midfielders there...

 

Talking of which you never did tell me your opinion on Dennis Berkamp.

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Right so saying someone is an idiot for not recognising a player is good is not a similar comment to someone making a comment you dont agree with and saying they are talking boll*cks? okay then!

 

In addition, can i assume judging by your prediction after day one of the first ashes test we will lose 5-0 you are an expert on Cricket as well as football?

 

Love how that bit I highlighted is stated as fact. Superb arrogance...

 

Anyway, nope, I said that accusing someone of knowing nothing about football for "not recognising a player is good" is not a similar comment to someone making a comment you dont agree with and saying they are talking boll*cks

 

Do get with the program, my friend, or trying reading a little more carefully.

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Trying to get Alpine Saint to see his inconsistencies, irrationalities, negativeness, would be like trying to get my wife to understand I am allways right.................... its not going to happen. But Alpine, for what it is worth if I was reading NickGs posts my opinion would be of a mature, reasoned, well balanced person. As often as not when i read your contributions I generally have the opposite opinion. Know this is of no help to you as I guess I will be a happy clapper or something, but just an observation.

 

Expecting you to be objective where I am concerned is like asking an ex-coal miner to be objective about Margaret Thatcher.....

 

Suffice to say your helpful comments havent exactly left me a quivering wreck......

 

Anyhow, I've made my last post on this thread. I'll leave some of you lot pulling petals off daisies saying "he luvs us and will keep his form, he luvs us not and will disrupt the team"

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According to footballforums.net, Palace have enquired ''quoting 1 million" - what a sale if he goes for that fee.

 

£1M ? Yes, good sale. Palace though will probably want their manager sorted first though,so I'd disregard that rumour.

 

This used to be a thread about Puncheon didn't it?

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_6638388,00.html

 

I see there are a few Prem teams in for him now.

 

Article is slightly discredited by reference to Skates looking at him, now they certainly know they can't afford him.

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Yes I did - seems your inability to read is becoming more and more prevalent...

 

And you accuse others of arrogance! Anyway having looked through your posts twice now for a response and still not being able to find one, maybe i have lost the ability to read, so in the interests of helping the arrogant and illiterate, can you remind me your opinion on this 9 goal a season striker.

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Love how that bit I highlighted is stated as fact. Superb arrogance...

 

Anyway, nope, I said that accusing someone of knowing nothing about football for "not recognising a player is good" is not a similar comment to someone making a comment you dont agree with and saying they are talking boll*cks

 

Do get with the program, my friend, or trying reading a little more carefully.

 

You are hilarious, taking part of a sentance and highlighting it to "prove" you argument. A genius twisting of words and grammar,but what else can we expect from someones whose opinon of players is based on what they read on internet forums. As for these "ridiulous statements", who is the judge of this?

 

I suppose recognising a football is good is a bit like knowing a bit about cricket and recognising that Steve Smith is a poor number 6 batsman for Australia and Glen McGrath was a superb bowler and with him , Warne and Brett Lee missing from their bowling, their attack was much weaker than the last time we played there, but you know all about cricket as well dont you alps.

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£1M ? Yes, good sale. Palace though will probably want their manager sorted first though,so I'd disregard that rumour.

 

 

 

Article is slightly discredited by reference to Skates looking at him, now they certainly know they can't afford him.

 

 

What makes you think that the Skates can't afford him, or anyone else for that matter

 

As long as UK Football is run with the "£1 down and 50p a week for 500 years " philosophy, then ANY Team can buy anyone

 

The Skates "fiddled" their way out of over £150M debts. Name any other Business, or corner shop, that would be ALLOWED to run up such massive debts ????

 

(Apart from UK Banks, for which WE are having to repay so that they can afford their massive Bonuses)

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What makes you think that the Skates can't afford him, or anyone else for that matter

 

As long as UK Football is run with the "£1 down and 50p a week for 500 years " philosophy, then ANY Team can buy anyone

 

The Skates "fiddled" their way out of over £150M debts. Name any other Business, or corner shop, that would be ALLOWED to run up such massive debts ????

 

(Apart from UK Banks, for which WE are having to repay so that they can afford their massive Bonuses)

 

Hmm, many blame him for many things, but somehow I really cannot see NC accepting a pay by installments deal from the few up the road. He hasn't been here THAT long TBF but I think he may just have noticed they are not the most reliable of payers.

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Hmm, many blame him for many things, but somehow I really cannot see NC accepting a pay by installments deal from the few up the road. He hasn't been here THAT long TBF but I think he may just have noticed they are not the most reliable of payers.

 

indeed, he said himself when he had only been here a few months that Saints couldn't get credit anywhere even though they could prove they had money in the bank and the club was now under new ownership.

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I wonder if the short term loan move could turn out to be a masterstroke from Adkins

 

Adkins is a trained and experienced Sports psychologist, something that shouldn't be underestimated or forgotten when thinking about how he deals with players. Whether or not we agree or understand what he does and why he does it, I'm sure he knows what he is doing and which players need a gentle push in the right direction.

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He now deserves our unequivocal support to become an integral part of a promotion winning squad. Fair play to him for coming back and putting in such a good performance... if his attitude was that bad he wouldn't have even wanted to play today so all parties deserve some credit for what has transpired and hopefully he'll now remain and make a solid contribution.

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Adkins is a trained and experienced Sports psychologist, something that shouldn't be underestimated or forgotten when thinking about how he deals with players. Whether we agree or understand what he does and why he does it, I'm sure he knows what he is doing and which players need a gentle push in the right direction.

 

Or maybe he just wants you to think that.

 

Cunning these trick cyclists.

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Why must people like you always use such arrogant judgmental terms ?

 

It doesnt f**king matter who the problem is, the management or the player, or what the problem is, the simple fact of the matter is that he doesnt deliver for us, when he plays for us, in the style and set-up we play, we have done better without him, and he has done better without us. Seeing as we arent going to change a winning formula (unless it means getting in players better than we have), he is history where we are concerned and he is probably just as happy with that fact.

 

This stuff about him coming back here, being welcomed with open arms by everyone not just a small minority of deluded naiive happy-clappy fans, and carrying on where he left off at Millwall is complete fantasy b*ll*cks.

 

welcomed back and carried on where he left off at Millwall..doh!

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