alpine_saint Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 There were a number of posters who seriously questioned what was going on in pre-season before a ball was kicked in anger. When it finally happened it wasn't a great surprise for them. There was no hindsight involved in that. A considerate amount of posters also questioned Puncheon's value to the team already in the spring, and looking at his history thought that there were reasons to be suspicious about why he kept yo-yoing between league and non-league, and whether he was mentally tough enough for when it wasn't going for him and he was in for some critique. I think it stands to reason that those concerns about pre-season and about Puncheon both came home to roost. It is most surprising to read those who now suggest that everything was just great, Pardew should have stayed in post, and, I presume, Puncheon should have been preferred to AOX. The likes of Stalin re-wrote history, but that's not a good enough reason to follow him. History is there to learn from, not to change. Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 and looking at his history thought that there were reasons to be suspicious about why he kept yo-yoing between league and non-league, and whether he was mentally tough enough for when it wasn't going for him and he was in for some critique. aye? He played two non-league games on loan back in 2006. Talk me through this yo-yoing as I don't understand what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 The anti Pardew and Puncheon gang would continue with this tripe no matter what happened. We have lost a very good manager and a very good footballer. Whatever the reasons we must move on.. We now have , hopefully a good manager in Nigel Adkins and some very good footballers at the club..maybe one or two additions will help the cause. Why the hell peeps have to make up stories about pre season..training/fitness/attitude etc..what a load of Bolllixx You experts make me laugh and and cry at the same time....You made up your minds before Pards even got here. As for all the shiittte re . ...about NA before he got here.......Well hopefully he might pull it off...But then again Pards definitely would have done. As I said FFS lets move on...... NA is our Manager now and with the players and fans behind him ... we might just do it....PLEEEEEESE.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 We all have opinions, but where is the logic for this "I'm getting a bit fed up of reading this tripe about Pardew working them too hard and that is the reason for everything bad about the start of the season" You freely admit that the problems with Puncheon, Barnard and Lambert were down to injuries picked up in pre-season. maybe that was the problem with Hammond as well. From the Plymouth match report I found on the Ugly "Hammond & Scheiderlin did not impose themselves in any way shape or form, Hammond looked injured and certainly in the last 10 minutes was too tired to do anything" So that gives you 4 key players in Hammond, Puncheon, Barnard and Lambert, not to mention how we mishandled Lallana. Is it any real surprise we started the season the way we did? It does not matter why these players are not fit. The simple fact is that it is because of pre-season training that they are in this position. You can surmise Pardew was very unlucky, but that just does not fit when two experienced members of staff actually report to Cortese that what is being done to the players is more damaging than good. By reporting to Cortese in such a manner, you are really sticking your neck on the block to get it chopped off. Why would two independent sources go out on a limb with such accusations unless they were extremely confident about what was happening. Even if what they were saying was correct, but the players managed to attain fitness by the start of the season, they would have been gone. This was no being wise after the event, this was called at the time and individuals put their jobs on the line in coming forward. We saw in the sacking of Benitez by Inter Milan, that analysis of his training and injuries collected were attributed to his methods and why no sympathy was allowed in that case. In our case you have two professionals go out on a limb and predict the outcome, not wait until after the event. The subsequent history of our injuries and fitness has proven them totally correct, with it taking half a season to fix the damage. I have heard the rumour about a fitness coach crying to Cortese, I didn't realise it had expanded and was now fact. Until it is I don't freely admit that the four players got injured because of what happened in pre season. Holmes got injured a few weeks back, was that down to Adkins heavy training schedule? Injuries happen all the time. Also Barnard's hernia problem was well into the season. I disagree fully that Hammond was not fit. Quite the opposite, he is fitter than last season. Right now he is playing very well indeed and looking very strong, could Pardew's so called heavy pre season be the reason? If I recall he ran himself into the ground in that Plymouth game trying make up for the failings of a misfiring side. Here's some logic. Pardew had been a manger for over 12 years and done about 15 pre seasons of his own as a player. Unless someone can tell me that he has a history if ****ing players up with **** preseasons then I'd suggest the guy knows exactly what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Don't think Hammond has found his best form yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Don't think Hammond has found his best form yet Interesting. What more are you expecting? Goals might be the obvious thing perhaps, but he'll be playing more of a holding role if Chaplow ousts Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 getting more involved. Think at times seems bit off the pace and game passing him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Perhaps expecting too much but was excited and impressed by his early performances, thought he was the tenacious CM we had been lacking, but unfortunately often been disappointed in him since. In maybe the partnership though. Thought Morgan was probably the best CM last game, but Hammond did well after Chaplow came on. Interesting and good dilemma for Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 I have always thought that Hammond deep and Chappers attacking more had a far better balance for the sake of the side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 quite possibly, shame as think Morgan is the best player (where have we heard this problem of best midfield players not giving best midfield!!??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 Lampard and Gerrard never seemed to work, same could be said for Hammond and Morgan. Morgan is a good player and had a great game on Tuesday, we need to hang on to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 If he is definitely staying and committed.. Further improved form/attitude. Cut our reckless tackles. Improve his mobility. Talent is there and as shown against Hudders could be good for squad/side... BUT....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 December, 2010 Share Posted 30 December, 2010 I'm getting a bit fed up of reading this tripe about Pardew working them too hard and that is the reason for everything bad about the start of the season. Lambert and Pucheon got injured, but the other 25 players didn't. Injuries happen, the poor start to the season...well who knows exactly, but a few extra laps round the pitch? The fact that it does not correspond with your view of the world does not necessarily make it tripe. Something was quite clearly wrong for so many players to have started the season in such poor form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 I have always thought that Hammond deep and Chappers attacking more had a far better balance for the sake of the side... Hmm, Hammond is actually very good going forward though, especially when he gets down the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 But then again Pards definitely would have done. Definitely? Bold statement. It is undeniable that we have improved under NA since he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 The fact that it does not correspond with your view of the world does not necessarily make it tripe. Something was quite clearly wrong for so many players to have started the season in such poor form. This seems a reasonable enough statement to make in view of the poor start we made to the season and points to there either being physical or mental problems with the players, or a mixture of the two. Ottery St Mary:The anti Pardew and Puncheon gang would continue with this tripe no matter what happened. We have lost a very good manager and a very good footballer. But of course, if it is accepted that the pre-season preparation was deficient, or that the players were not properly prepared mentally, then that tends to cast a shadow over Pardew's managerial prowess. His best attribute for me during his time here was that he was a pretty good judge of a player and most of his signings did well. But I don't see him lasting beyond the end of this season with Newcastle. As for Puncheon, yes, he is a good footballer technically, apart from his finishing and his lack of mental strength. He wants to play for a team where he is wanted, not realising that the more he succeeds, the more he will be wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Interesting. What more are you expecting? Goals might be the obvious thing perhaps, but he'll be playing more of a holding role if Chaplow ousts Morgan. I think you have hit the nail on the head there. MS and DH playing together sit back and hold and rarely venture forward. Chappers adds a really nice balance to the midfield by looking regularly to get forward beyond the strikers. This allows the other player (DH) to sit in front of the back four and relinquish the need to get forward. We look stonger defensively and more potent moving foward as a result. I really rate MS and on saturday he started to play some really decent passes into the channels but in truth he doesnt yet fit into our side positionally. He is still young but for me in a 4-4-2 system he is a bit of a spare part. I think he will develop as he gets older but needs to find a position that suits him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Definitely? Bold statement. It is undeniable that we have improved under NA since he took over. The squad built up would/should have got us promoted and I thank Pards for that. But the point is now NA will get us promoted anyway....As he hopefully improves on what was before. 3 points today to start with please. My main point is we look forward now and achieve what we all want and the squad are definitely capable of. Happy new year to you and to the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 This seems a reasonable enough statement to make in view of the poor start we made to the season and points to there either being physical or mental problems with the players, or a mixture of the two. Ottery St Mary: But of course, if it is accepted that the pre-season preparation was deficient, or that the players were not properly prepared mentally, then that tends to cast a shadow over Pardew's managerial prowess. His best attribute for me during his time here was that he was a pretty good judge of a player and most of his signings did well. But I don't see him lasting beyond the end of this season with Newcastle. As for Puncheon, yes, he is a good footballer technically, apart from his finishing and his lack of mental strength. He wants to play for a team where he is wanted, not realising that the more he succeeds, the more he will be wanted. Onwards and upwards...3 points today and we can begin to believe the future is bright and red and white. Or is it white with a red sash. Happy new year to you and all Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 The squad built up would/should have got us promoted and I thank Pards for that. But the point is now NA will get us promoted anyway....As he hopefully improves on what was before. 3 points today to start with please. My main point is we look forward now and achieve what we all want and the squad are definitely capable of. Happy new year to you and to the Saints. Agree totally, just think nothing is definite, especially in this league. Happy New Year to you too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Interesting. What more are you expecting? Goals might be the obvious thing perhaps, but he'll be playing more of a holding role if Chaplow ousts Morgan. You must be kidding! You need to be looking elsewhere for a make-weight for Chaplow. Schneiderlin was immense on Tuesday - if only he could resist the odd feet-up through-the-back sliding tackle and his prone-ness to red cards! Hammond is now the weakest link on ability alone, yes he's got a great engine and yes he's built like a brick sh*thouse but he's very one dimensional in his thinking, more like a guard dog than a creative midfielder who can change games. Chaplow may well be better than Hammond but even then the jury is still out. As for Chaplow v Schneiderlin, come off it it's like comparing Tesco's house red to a Grand Cru Montrachet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Onwards and upwards...3 points today and we can begin to believe the future is bright and red and white. Or is it white with a red sash. Happy new year to you and all Saints. Do you mean tomorrow? For a moment it was panic all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Here goes, a football post!!!! IMHO Puncheon isn't that bad a player and I would welcome him back to the squad. Some TLC, some support and give him another go (there were times last season when I thought he contributed quite a bit). IMHO Morgan should now be sidelined with Chaplow taking his place. Is Morgan too good for this division, does the division or our style of play not suit him, has he lost his motivation and passion, or does he just flatter to deceive???? Not sure which one, but just think he has never really delivered what I expected of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 thought Morgan looked more up for it, more involved and more creative than Hammond last game. Would start with him and Chaplow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 thought Morgan looked more up for it, more involved and more creative than Hammond last game. Would start with him and Chaplow you might, NA won't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Here goes, a football post!!!! IMHO Puncheon isn't that bad a player and I would welcome him back to the squad. Some TLC, some support and give him another go (there were times last season when I thought he contributed quite a bit). IMHO Morgan should now be sidelined with Chaplow taking his place. Is Morgan too good for this division, does the division or our style of play not suit him, has he lost his motivation and passion, or does he just flatter to deceive???? Not sure which one, but just think he has never really delivered what I expected of him. Welcome back mucker.....the forum is a lot poorer for your absence. I agree 100% with you...yet some people rave about Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 no, don't think he will - will keep steadier Hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 He is such an enigma that I decided to watch him very closely in the Brentford game. He offered us absolutely nothing whatsoever going forward and just did not push on. At times he was like a third centre back strolling around the centre cirlce a couple of yeards ahead of the centre halves. No forward runs, no cutting balls, even his crossfield knocks have deserted him. It was all sideways, into a player under pressure, or backwards. Defensively he wasn't much better. Mistimed tackles, lazy ankle taps or body checks and the game just passed him by. There may well be an element of going through the motions as he doesn't want to be here, but IMHO he simply hasn't performed since he came here. It may also be that the cut and thrust of the lower leagues don't suit him and he will go on to better things (but I can't even see that from his play at the moment). From the moment we signed him I didn't think he was the type of player we needed and have to say that for once my initial thoughts have not changed (this from someone who thought Shearer wouldn't make the grade as he was missing too many one on ones when he first appeared on the scene!!!!). I really want Morgan to boss the game and use his supposed talent and footballing brain to dominate midfields and open up teams, but I just seem to be kept waiting. Hammond & Chaplow for the rest of the season, Morgan off in the suimmer and then look for someone else to bolster the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 He is such an enigma that I decided to watch him very closely in the Brentford game. He offered us absolutely nothing whatsoever going forward and just did not push on. At times he was like a third centre back strolling around the centre cirlce a couple of yeards ahead of the centre halves. No forward runs, no cutting balls, even his crossfield knocks have deserted him. It was all sideways, into a player under pressure, or backwards. Defensively he wasn't much better. Mistimed tackles, lazy ankle taps or body checks and the game just passed him by. There may well be an element of going through the motions as he doesn't want to be here, but IMHO he simply hasn't performed since he came here. It may also be that the cut and thrust of the lower leagues don't suit him and he will go on to better things (but I can't even see that from his play at the moment). From the moment we signed him I didn't think he was the type of player we needed and have to say that for once my initial thoughts have not changed (this from someone who thought Shearer wouldn't make the grade as he was missing too many one on ones when he first appeared on the scene!!!!). I really want Morgan to boss the game and use his supposed talent and footballing brain to dominate midfields and open up teams, but I just seem to be kept waiting. Hammond & Chaplow for the rest of the season, Morgan off in the suimmer and then look for someone else to bolster the middle of the park. Bang on the money...missed your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 funny reading that, honestly though you were talking about Hammond for the first paragraph, after watching him last game. Opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Do you mean tomorrow? For a moment it was panic all round. Good job I did not set off...was about to at about that time..For some reason was on Saturday mode... Happy new year:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 He is such an enigma that I decided to watch him very closely in the Brentford game. He offered us absolutely nothing whatsoever going forward and just did not push on. At times he was like a third centre back strolling around the centre cirlce a couple of yeards ahead of the centre halves. No forward runs, no cutting balls, even his crossfield knocks have deserted him. It was all sideways, into a player under pressure, or backwards. Defensively he wasn't much better. Mistimed tackles, lazy ankle taps or body checks and the game just passed him by. There may well be an element of going through the motions as he doesn't want to be here, but IMHO he simply hasn't performed since he came here. It may also be that the cut and thrust of the lower leagues don't suit him and he will go on to better things (but I can't even see that from his play at the moment). From the moment we signed him I didn't think he was the type of player we needed and have to say that for once my initial thoughts have not changed (this from someone who thought Shearer wouldn't make the grade as he was missing too many one on ones when he first appeared on the scene!!!!). I really want Morgan to boss the game and use his supposed talent and footballing brain to dominate midfields and open up teams, but I just seem to be kept waiting. Hammond & Chaplow for the rest of the season, Morgan off in the suimmer and then look for someone else to bolster the middle of the park.Spot on Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 I think we saw a lot more of the real Morgan on Saturday, after Lambert scored. I'd like to see him with more of an attacking brief as I think he's wasted in the deeper role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 funny reading that, honestly though you were talking about Hammond for the first paragraph, after watching him last game. Opinions! Indeed sometimes Hammond does sit deep, but my counter argument would be that he does push on at times and has scored a few more than Morgan (probably more assists as well - has anyone go the stats?). Additionally, I would say he is better equipped to stop the opposition when they come forward. I would also say that I accept Hammond has his weaknesses and is no more than a good League 1/Championship player. He is a work horse who probably realises his own capabilities. I accept that and I don't think anyone tries to claim he is any more than that. However, with Schneiderlin there has been this aura from day one that he will come good, yet he has continually flattered to deceive. They certainly shouldn't be playing in the same team as neither of them offer the thrust and forward runs of Chaplow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 MK dons away in the JPT final second-leg That I think was one of Morgan's best game for us, he looked so much betterjust behind the strikers, but because his distribution is so good, it easy to have him playing deeper to move the ball form defence and up that pitch. It should also be noted that pur wingers are very attack minded and as a result our central players must refrain from bombing forward to leave us totally exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 MK dons away in the JPT final second-leg That I think was one of Morgan's best game for us, he looked so much betterjust behind the strikers, but because his distribution is so good, it easy to have him playing deeper to move the ball form defence and up that pitch. It should also be noted that pur wingers are very attack minded and as a result our central players must refrain from bombing forward to leave us totally exposed. That was the first leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 It should also be noted that pur wingers are very attack minded and as a result our central players must refrain from bombing forward to leave us totally exposed. Fair point, but still think there is an opportunity for centre midfielders to push when necessary. It is the one role where they really have to be box to box (unless they can boss the game from the centre circle with their vision and passing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 That small minority are responsible for a lot more problems than Puncheon, including the whole demise of SFC from 2004. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Absolutely correct. Schneiderlin (and Hammond for that matter) are sideways players. Chaplow goes up and down so gets well beyond midfield at times. Such players are priceless.I knew something had been missing from the forum. Now I know it was Um!He is such an enigma that I decided to watch him very closely in the Brentford game. He offered us absolutely nothing whatsoever going forward and just did not push on. At times he was like a third centre back strolling around the centre cirlce a couple of yeards ahead of the centre halves. No forward runs, no cutting balls, even his crossfield knocks have deserted him. It was all sideways, into a player under pressure, or backwards. Defensively he wasn't much better. Mistimed tackles, lazy ankle taps or body checks and the game just passed him by. There may well be an element of going through the motions as he doesn't want to be here, but IMHO he simply hasn't performed since he came here. It may also be that the cut and thrust of the lower leagues don't suit him and he will go on to better things (but I can't even see that from his play at the moment). From the moment we signed him I didn't think he was the type of player we needed and have to say that for once my initial thoughts have not changed (this from someone who thought Shearer wouldn't make the grade as he was missing too many one on ones when he first appeared on the scene!!!!). I really want Morgan to boss the game and use his supposed talent and footballing brain to dominate midfields and open up teams, but I just seem to be kept waiting. Hammond & Chaplow for the rest of the season, Morgan off in the suimmer and then look for someone else to bolster the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 MK dons away in the JPT final second-leg That I think was one of Morgan's best game for us, he looked so much betterjust behind the strikers, but because his distribution is so good, it easy to have him playing deeper to move the ball form defence and up that pitch. It should also be noted that pur wingers are very attack minded and as a result our central players must refrain from bombing forward to leave us totally exposed. Agreed, he was given a specific job to do and played well. As one of a central 2 though he doesn't perform well anywhere near often enough. As for Hammond, he is massively underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 (edited) MK dons away in the JPT final second-leg That I think was one of Morgan's best game for us, in the MK Dons away game in the league he was absolutely outstanding. He ran the game from start to finish and bullied their midfield. Strong in the tackle, quick across the ground to make every loose ball his, never giving the ball away... Must be something about that ground. Having three good players is essential if we are to get promoted. Edited 31 December, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Fair point, but still think there is an opportunity for centre midfielders to push when necessary. It is the one role where they really have to be box to box (unless they can boss the game from the centre circle with their vision and passing). Nice to see you back my friend. You have been really missed this past year. was the banning of 19C a factor in your decision to return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Having three good players is essential if we are to get promoted. I quite agree and I'm not saying he is total pants, more that he has failed to live up to the high expectations I had of him (of course I could all be wanting too much out of him). He's decent enough to have as back up to Hammond and Chaplow for the remainder of this season, as one of them will be suspended or crocked I'm sure. Just not my first choice and I wouldn't persevere with him beyond this season (not that he wants to stay around IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 I have heard the rumour about a fitness coach crying to Cortese, I didn't realise it had expanded and was now fact. Until it is I don't freely admit that the four players got injured because of what happened in pre season. Holmes got injured a few weeks back, was that down to Adkins heavy training schedule? Injuries happen all the time. Also Barnard's hernia problem was well into the season. I disagree fully that Hammond was not fit. Quite the opposite, he is fitter than last season. Right now he is playing very well indeed and looking very strong, could Pardew's so called heavy pre season be the reason? If I recall he ran himself into the ground in that Plymouth game trying make up for the failings of a misfiring side. Here's some logic. Pardew had been a manger for over 12 years and done about 15 pre seasons of his own as a player. Unless someone can tell me that he has a history if ****ing players up with **** preseasons then I'd suggest the guy knows exactly what he was doing. "Crying to Cortese" why demean your argument with that, unless you are posting this on behalf of Leftback? I understand your point that you have no good knowledge of the reports to Cortese being correct. But we have reports from Cortese himself via the fans dinner "The start of our season was ruined by pre-season training, because the players were pushed too hard. Ricky for example was in great shape just before pre-season and he’d been training in his own time during the summer to ensure he was in good shape, but then the level of pre-season training un-did a lot of that work. Pards basically wanted things done his way and didn’t listen to people telling him he was pushing the players too hard." It's all there in a nutshell, I did not go back and edit that Plymouth match report that Hammond was either injured or woefully unfit. Neither did I tie weights to him for the forthcoming games where he was a shadow of his former self. Hammond is looking very good now, but it took him a several games to get his fitness back. We all have differing points of view, but there is more than enough backing this up, unless you believe Cortese is a liar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Nice to see you back my friend. You have been really missed this past year. was the banning of 19C a factor in your decision to return? Nah, just found the board a tad boring & repetitive (or I was being too boring & repetitive) at that time & not enjoyable and I found a few other pursuits that have taken up alot of my time (inc a future wife). These boards can be a bit all consuming, so took a step back for a bit. Still been going to matches regularly and keep bumping in to Granty and others from here and The Ugly. Have always popped by for a looksee now and then as there are a number of wonderful posters, some great gossip and some very funny threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Have heard that a study has begun into why players are getting injured more frequently than they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Nah, just found the board a tad boring & repetitive (or I was being too boring & repetitive) at that time & not enjoyable and I found a few other pursuits that have taken up alot of my time (inc a future wife). These boards can be a bit all consuming, so took a step back for a bit. Still been going to matches regularly and keep bumping in to Granty and others from here and The Ugly. Have always popped by for a looksee now and then as there are a number of wonderful posters, some great gossip and some very funny threads. Good for you! Maybe I should spend less time on here and find a wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 31 December, 2010 Share Posted 31 December, 2010 Have heard that a study has begun into why players are getting injured more frequently than they should. No point, the are just all 'hypochondriacs'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 he's scored again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 1 January, 2011 Share Posted 1 January, 2011 Has a player ever gone on loan to a club in the division above and done so well before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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