Jason Puncheon

[saint peach]

Had the misfortune of reporting on Portsmouth v Millwall today and, I have to say, Jason Puncheon looked outstanding. Played some nice balls, showed some good touches and had a hand in the Lions' goal. All in all a good performance.

 

After the game I asked manager Kenny Jackett whether there was any update on the situation and this was his response:

 

“Puncheon is on loan for us and we’ll see. At the moment our focus is on the games that are coming up so quickly at the moment through up until about January 8th when we play Birmingham at home in the FA Cup. With those type of games you just sort of have to focus on those games. But, overall, in his loan spell - in his short loan spell with us - Jason Puncheon has played well.”

 

Granted there is nothing wildly exciting in that but it sounds like they want him, although they are still a little unsure about something.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Thanks for the report back!

Hope you survived the Fratton experience and your jabs were up to date!

[saint peach]

Thanks, just about survived. Cannot understand how that was a Premier League club so recently.

 

Oh, and feel free to check out my story about Puncheon on my blog: http://bit.ly/eBsuAP. There will be other interesting stuff on their soon as well. Promise.

[SuperSAINT]

I like Punch - Shame he's fallen out of favour with the management. Like I said in the other thread, if we can get 500k for him, I think we'd all be happy.

 

His continued good performances are going to help is value increase, so long may it continue.

[teamsaint]

he's very talented.....but never seems to settle.

 

if I were in charege at Millwall, I would be cautious about splashing out on a big contract.

[NickG]

good player, hope he comes back if he is up for playing for us

[Jonnyboy]

We booed him, he doesnt want to be here. Hes gone. Move on.

[Liquidshokk]

We booed him, he doesnt want to be here. Hes gone. Move on.

 

Exactly. As sickening as it is to hear how he's been shown to actually be very good we didn't appreciate him and don't deserve him back. Hardly had the fans support.

[Nexstar]

Exactly. As sickening as it is to hear how he's been shown to actually be very good we didn't appreciate him and don't deserve him back. Hardly had the fans support.

 

No goals since April and Chamberlain scores 4 in 4. I hardly imagine Puncheon fancied sticking around when a 17 year old came in and did his job better.

[Chez]

Exactly. As sickening as it is to hear how he's been shown to actually be very good we didn't appreciate him and don't deserve him back. Hardly had the fans support.

 

he had mine.

[hamster]

No goals since April and Chamberlain scores 4 in 4. I hardly imagine Puncheon fancied sticking around when a 17 year old came in and did his job better.

 

I don't think that OC is doing Punch's job though tbf. I think that NA had a tough choice to make made tougher by jason's drive and desire to get on the pitch. He may have been sold the idea of coming to SMS with a certain game-plan that suited him, when that changed, his pride/ego kicked in and hence the fall-out.

 

I woo watched the game today and agree Peachy that he was by far millwall's motm. They didnee show it on the telly last night but near the end he made a brilliant run down the right, cut inside and skipped around a couple of skate defenders, played a deft one-two and sky'ed the resulting shot, it really would have made goal of the day had he caught it right. I'd go as far as to say that the lions team lay more and more responsibilty on him to win it for them and he appeared well up for it.

 

I fear that we may rue the day that we let him go although it's not too late to send the olive branch.

[hamster]

He lost form, stopped trying as hard, hated losing his place to a more talented kid, a small MINORITY booed him and he headed for the door. Not going to worry about losing the likes of him, we've had dozens of puncheons since 2005 and got nowhere.

 

Adam Hamill? imho just needed taming, tempering and banning from Maccy d's

[Kingsbridge Saint]

He has a history of looking good when he goes to a new club. But he then loses his form and his shooting boots big time. Get what we can for him.

[scott_saints]

It may just be me, but I think most Saints fans writing him off shows how little we know about football. Everyone thinks Chamberlain is the messiah, but in my opinion, if we want to get promoted, Puncheon is a much better shout. But what do I know, football fans seem to enjoy getting excited about average kids (with potential, granted). Mongs.

[NickG]

seen more product in Puncheon than Hammill by a mile!

 

Look at how many goals and assists Puncheon got in this league, too many look to blame without appreciating a footballer who can unlock defences

[Dalek2003]

He lost form, stopped trying as hard, hated losing his place to a more talented kid, a small MINORITY booed him and he headed for the door. Not going to worry about losing the likes of him, we've had dozens of puncheons since 2005 and got nowhere.

 

That small minority are responsible for a lot more problems than Puncheon, including the whole demise of SFC from 2004.

[AussieDog]

I don't think there is much doubt over his talent - it's his attitude and application that stinks. I've only seen a snapshot of his performances, but from what I saw.....he doesn't have the bottle for a fight and his head goes down too quick

[Wes Tender]

It may just be me, but I think most Saints fans writing him off shows how little we know about football. Everyone thinks Chamberlain is the messiah, but in my opinion, if we want to get promoted, Puncheon is a much better shout. But what do I know, football fans seem to enjoy getting excited about average kids (with potential, granted). Mongs.

Somebody who has a different opinion to somebody else's on footballing matters is not necessarily any more a mong than you.

 

Just because Puncheon has had his detractors doesn't show that we know little about football as presumably you level that charge also at the managers of the other clubs where he has been released from.

 

Chamberlain is highly regarded by several people who do know quite a lot about football. His potential is yet to be realised, that's true. But Puncheon has had his potential tried for some time and so far its been found wanting. He might yet develop into a Premiership class player, but that will only be when he can make the mazy skillful run described above and then put the ball away instead of skying it. Perhaps if Chamberlain goes for megabucks in January we can get Puncheon back, but I'm sure that we could get somebody better with some of that money, somebody with the right skill and the right mental attitude to accompany it. That is where Puncheon is deficient in my opinion.

[Liquidshokk]

Somebody who has a different opinion to somebody else's on footballing matters is not necessarily any more a mong than you.

 

Just because Puncheon has had his detractors doesn't show that we know little about football as presumably you level that charge also at the managers of the other clubs where he has been released from.

 

Chamberlain is highly regarded by several people who do know quite a lot about football. His potential is yet to be realised, that's true. But Puncheon has had his potential tried for some time and so far its been found wanting. He might yet develop into a Premiership class player, but that will only be when he can make the mazy skillful run described above and then put the ball away instead of skying it. Perhaps if Chamberlain goes for megabucks in January we can get Puncheon back, but I'm sure that we could get somebody better with some of that money, somebody with the right skill and the right mental attitude to accompany it. That is where Puncheon is deficient in my opinion.

 

Good post. Agreed.

[Seaside Saint 2]

They didnee show it on the telly last night but near the end he made a brilliant run down the right, cut inside and skipped around a couple of skate defenders, played a deft one-two and sky'ed the resulting shot, it really would have made goal of the day had he caught it right.

 

Isn't this the reason a lot of people on here were questioning Puncheon? Lots of hard graft, fancy footwork, but the end product flies off into the carpark?

[Liquidshokk]

Isn't this the reason a lot of people on here were questioning Puncheon? Lots of hard graft, fancy footwork, but the end product flies off into the carpark?

 

Absolutely, I remember on a number of occasions screaming along with those around me for him to pass the bloody ball right before he sent it out of the stadium and over to woolston....

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Isn't this the reason a lot of people on here were questioning Puncheon? Lots of hard graft, fancy footwork, but the end product flies off into the carpark?

 

That is 90% of my issue with Puncheon. His shooting is abysmal, Sunday League standard. And for that reason alone I don't want him near my first team as an attacking midfielder.

[Leicestersaint]

It may just be me, but I think most Saints fans writing him off shows how little we know about football. Everyone thinks Chamberlain is the messiah, but in my opinion, if we want to get promoted, Puncheon is a much better shout. But what do I know, football fans seem to enjoy getting excited about average kids (with potential, granted). Mongs.

 

I heard similar things said by Saints fans about the 'average kids' Walcott and Bale!

[NickG]

Last season Puncheon managed

 

11 goals and 15 assists

 

as a comparison Antonio 7 goals and 5 assists.

 

To say Puncheon has no end product is wrong, he was always most likely to open up tight defences.

 

Did lose his shooting boots this season - but was always ready to have a go.

[Saint_clark]

Last season Puncheon managed

 

11 goals and 15 assists

 

as a comparison Antonio 7 goals and 5 assists.

 

To say Puncheon has no end product is wrong, he was always most likely to open up tight defences.

 

Did lose his shooting boots this season - but was always ready to have a go.

 

Not a completely fair comparison as Puncheon was in the first team all season long for MK Dons and us, and Antonio joined us relatively late and was on the bench a lot. But I agree with you that Puncheon was one of our most effective players last season.

[Thedelldays]

There must be a reason why he has had so many clubs already..

[SaintRichmond]

I like Punch - Shame he's fallen out of favour with the management. Like I said in the other thread, if we can get 500k for him, I think we'd all be happy.

 

His continued good performances are going to help is value increase, so long may it continue.

 

Wrong way round He doesn't want to play for us

 

Simple as that

[NickG]

Not a completely fair comparison as Puncheon was in the first team all season long for MK Dons and us, and Antonio joined us relatively late and was on the bench a lot. But I agree with you that Puncheon was one of our most effective players last season.

 

why was he on the bench? Because he was not as good as Puncheon!!

[Jonnyboy]

There must be a reason why he has had so many clubs already..

 

his agent is getting him good moves

[Window Cleaner]

his agent is getting him good moves

 

Finnegan played for quite a few clubs himself

[The Majestic Channon]

Wrong way round He doesn't want to play for us

 

Simple as that

 

You have no idea what the truth is, simple as that.

[MarkSFC]

He has a history of looking good when he goes to a new club. But he then loses his form and his shooting boots big time. Get what we can for him.

 

Spot on.

[eelpie]

We booed him, he doesnt want to be here.

 

Do you not see the ironic connection in your statement?

 

He is yet another talent that we as a fan base do not have the patience nor foresight to want to develop.

For me, he is the missing impact player - that we have so desperately needed recently - to come on from the bench in recent matches. We need him back if we don't get better in January.

[Chez]

There must be a reason why he has had so many clubs already..

Wilson didn't think he was good enough and released him. League 2 Barnet picked him as a free agent. He was then bought by Plymouth because he played bloody great for Barnet. Every player would make that move.

 

At Plymouth he had a few poor games and they dropped him like a stone. Perhaps he was out of his depth in the Championship, but he certainly didn't get a decent run at it. I think any winger can look great one minute and poor the next. If you don't start well the confidence goes and the fans jump on your back. That doesn't just happen at Saints.

 

MK Dons rescued him by taking him on loan. That loan period didn't have anything to do with poor attitide, he just wasn't getting games. It's not easy going out on loan, but he was tremendus for the MK Dons. After that brilliant spell at MK Dons he joined us from Plymouth. You know the rest.

 

He's had four clubs and been loaned from three of them. I'm not saying Pucheon is Mr Football, but to be chastised for playing well at Barnet and MK Dons and getting progressive career moves is clutching at straws IMO. Quite clearly he fell out with a coach at our place, but its our loss unless we replace him next week.

[Chez]

He is yet another talent that we as a fan base do not have the patience nor foresight to want to develop.

 

very well put indeed. Find a Morgan Schneiderlin thread quickly and add this wonderful insight.

Edited 27 December, 2010 by Chez

[Hopkins]

My theory on wingers fits perfectly with Puncheon.

 

Other than the real top class ones, they are inconsistent by nature. This in the long run leads to them moving around clubs, being hit and miss, starting well at some clubs but ending up leaving because someone else came in and did better. This results in opposition fans thinking they have a good signing, but he'll end up moving along down the line somewhere, but we'll be ok because we have Alex, and when he moves on, we'll convince ourselves we'll have someone else coming in who is better for us at that time.

 

Looks at the careers of wingers and you'll see only a rare top quality few will ever settle at clubs for a long period, because they are inconsistent and what starts out as being explained as "he's new, if we can get him to be consistent, he'll be awesome" almost always ends as "he started off well but never fulfilled his potential."

 

Pennant, Routledge, Wright Phillips, Downing etc etc....All young English wingers who have started careers brightly, been ace at various times throughout seasons and being bigged up to be the next best thing, only going onto never really hit the heights that there hype suggested they could, but at times showing glimpses of the quality that made them be noticed at first.

 

Adam Johnson is a winger who has earned some top reviews over the season (By the way, he's one of many players who just because they didn't get picked at the World Cup has been hyped up to be someone amazing that we missed out on), but he will soon go the way of most other wingers in that he wont be picked on a consistent basis at City (Because he's nowhere near as good as David Silva, but don't let facts get in the way of a good injustice story), so City will be blamed for harming his and Englands chances, so he'll continue to be hyped up and it will be blamed on Mancini for not picking him, so he'll probably end up moving either on loan or on a permanent basis to a lesser club where everyone will say they have a great signing and City will regret letting him go, and he'll end up starting well at said club, but ultimately never really hitting the peaks that everyone thinks he could, and that will be blamed on the Premier League, Man City, Mancini, David Silva and anyone else the media and fans can think of, that diverts the attention away from the possibility that England, and England wingers might just not be very good.

 

Puncheon will be the same. Inconsistent here, start off well somewhere else, used as an excuse by people to knock someone in our set up for not backing Puncheon, he'll end up being inconsistent there, move on, and the cycle will start over again at Millwall or wherever he ends up. No doubt people in Plymouth were having this exact discussion about letting him go last season.

 

Wingers = Inconsistent.

[Window Cleaner]

Pennant, Routledge, Wright Phillips, Downing etc etc....All young English wingers who have started careers brightly, been ace at various times throughout seasons and being bigged up to be the next best thing, only going onto never really hit the heights that there hype suggested they could, but at times showing glimpses of the quality that made them be noticed at first.

 

 

Wingers = Inconsistent.

 

Perhaps "winging" isn't a very precise science.

 

I though Routledge was awful yesterday but certainly no worse than Simpson, Taylor or Tioté, it was he who got subbed though.

[Jonnyboy]

Do you not see the ironic connection in your statement?

 

He is yet another talent that we as a fan base do not have the patience nor foresight to want to develop.

For me, he is the missing impact player - that we have so desperately needed recently - to come on from the bench in recent matches. We need him back if we don't get better in January.

 

Erm...I was saying we shouldnt have booed him!!

 

(edit when I say "we", I didnt boo)

[Faz]

Do you not see the ironic connection in your statement?

 

He is yet another talent that we as a fan base do not have the patience nor foresight to want to develop.

For me, he is the missing impact player - that we have so desperately needed recently - to come on from the bench in recent matches. We need him back if we don't get better in January.

 

My guess is he doesn't want to be an impact player - he wants to be first choice. As soon as he wasn't, he sulked. I'm not saying that as fact, just my interpretation.

[Saint_clark]

why was he on the bench? Because he was not as good as Puncheon!!

 

I think it was rather because he was not as proven as Puncheon, but hey ho.

[NickG]

and still the case

[Big John]

My theory on wingers fits perfectly with Puncheon.

 

Other than the real top class ones, they are inconsistent by nature. This in the long run leads to them moving around clubs, being hit and miss, starting well at some clubs but ending up leaving because someone else came in and did better. This results in opposition fans thinking they have a good signing, but he'll end up moving along down the line somewhere, but we'll be ok because we have Alex, and when he moves on, we'll convince ourselves we'll have someone else coming in who is better for us at that time.

 

Looks at the careers of wingers and you'll see only a rare top quality few will ever settle at clubs for a long period, because they are inconsistent and what starts out as being explained as "he's new, if we can get him to be consistent, he'll be awesome" almost always ends as "he started off well but never fulfilled his potential."

 

Pennant, Routledge, Wright Phillips, Downing etc etc....All young English wingers who have started careers brightly, been ace at various times throughout seasons and being bigged up to be the next best thing, only going onto never really hit the heights that there hype suggested they could, but at times showing glimpses of the quality that made them be noticed at first.

 

Adam Johnson is a winger who has earned some top reviews over the season (By the way, he's one of many players who just because they didn't get picked at the World Cup has been hyped up to be someone amazing that we missed out on), but he will soon go the way of most other wingers in that he wont be picked on a consistent basis at City (Because he's nowhere near as good as David Silva, but don't let facts get in the way of a good injustice story), so City will be blamed for harming his and Englands chances, so he'll continue to be hyped up and it will be blamed on Mancini for not picking him, so he'll probably end up moving either on loan or on a permanent basis to a lesser club where everyone will say they have a great signing and City will regret letting him go, and he'll end up starting well at said club, but ultimately never really hitting the peaks that everyone thinks he could, and that will be blamed on the Premier League, Man City, Mancini, David Silva and anyone else the media and fans can think of, that diverts the attention away from the possibility that England, and England wingers might just not be very good.

 

Puncheon will be the same. Inconsistent here, start off well somewhere else, used as an excuse by people to knock someone in our set up for not backing Puncheon, he'll end up being inconsistent there, move on, and the cycle will start over again at Millwall or wherever he ends up. No doubt people in Plymouth were having this exact discussion about letting him go last season.

 

Wingers = Inconsistent.

 

So in conclusion what are you saying?

[benjii]

I don't think there is much doubt over his talent - it's his attitude and application that stinks. I've only seen a snapshot of his performances, but from what I saw.....he doesn't have the bottle for a fight and his head goes down too quick

 

This is complete garbage. Take it from someone who has seen a lot more. His attitude on the pitch is top; he never hides, he always wants the ball, he runs as far as anyone...

[Smirking_Saint]

This is complete garbage. Take it from someone who has seen a lot more. His attitude on the pitch is top; he never hides, he always wants the ball, he runs as far as anyone...

 

Spot on Benj

 

Its a shame, i thought he was a top player who was let down by the team around him and the fans, he is a winger, wingers are inconsistent however when the movement infront of you is dire and you are played on the wrong side of the pitch you are fighting a losing battle.

[Big John]

opposing teams find themselves chasing shadows when up against certain types of wingers, punch imho is of that ilk.

 

he's not gone yet but i reckon that it was the prospect of playing second fiddle to oc that prompted him to be unsettled, that is not necesarily a bad trait as we (as do all other clubs) have players who might be happy to play the dumb winston bogard role. many would complain (and do) at players who just collect their wages and show little desire to actually ply their trade.

[captainchris]

This is complete garbage. Take it from someone who has seen a lot more. His attitude on the pitch is top; he never hides, he always wants the ball, he runs as far as anyone...

 

No not garbage at all - you obviously only watch a game from a distance and don't take in the detail....He is often stood watching the watching the game and day dreams. He ends up standing right next to one of his own players with the game going on around him. He is not perceptive of what is likely to happen next - meaning his anticipation is poor. He will play another dozen games for Millwall before they start to see he that he doesn't affect the outcome of games and becomes a passenger in the team - this will happen. JP is not a player who stays at a club for only for few months for nothing - perhaps he will prove me wrong but I seriously doubt it...

[Smirking_Saint]

No not garbage at all - you obviously only watch a game from a distance and don't take in the detail....He is often stood watching the watching the game and day dreams. He ends up standing right next to one of his own players with the game going on around him. He is not perceptive of what is likely to happen next - meaning his anticipation is poor. He will play another dozen games for Millwall before they start to see he that he doesn't affect the outcome of games and becomes a passenger in the team - this will happen. JP is not a player who stays at a club for only for few months for nothing - perhaps he will prove me wrong but I seriously doubt it...

 

I fear you have documented your own downfalls my friend.

[Chez]

He is often stood watching the watching the game and day dreams. He ends up standing right next to one of his own players with the game going on around him. He is not perceptive of what is likely to happen next - meaning his anticipation is poor.

What on earth are you talking about? I don't think I've ever read such a poor summary of a player as this in all my days. These `attributes' may be true (as they may be of almost every player in the side) but they certainly don't sum up what he does and does not offer. Benji's point about not hiding is spot on and a sure fire sign of a decent player, allbeit at our level.

 

JP is not a player who stays at a club for only for few months for nothing.

He came through the ranks at MK Dons, before playing in the first team for 3 years. He was at Barnet for two years. At Plymouth for 1.5 years and at our place for a year.

[alpine_saint]

good player, hope he comes back if he is up for playing for us

 

Mental.

 

Any self-respecting Saints fan can see that he doesnt want to play for us, doesnt want to bleed for us.

 

He can f**k right off to Milwall as far as I am concerned, preening little prima-donna. See how soon Milwall get fed up with his all-fart no-sh*t contribution too.

[alpine_saint]

Last season Puncheon managed

 

11 goals and 15 assists

 

as a comparison Antonio 7 goals and 5 assists.

 

To say Puncheon has no end product is wrong, he was always most likely to open up tight defences.

 

Did lose his shooting boots this season - but was always ready to have a go.

 

Nice to see you recognise that players can lose form now; I seem to recall you taking the p*ss at the beginning of the season when I dared to suggest that assuming Lambert would have another 30+ season was a fallacy.