Coalition prospects

[Verbal]

Does it matter? I've gone from being very excited by politics when I was first able to vote to becoming a political version of an atheist these days. My view on politicans is they promise you the world then kick you in the dangly bits first chance they get. Doesn't seem to matter who is in charge they'll end up acting like ****s. This goverment will end sooner or later and then the next one will look for ways to **** me over. Only two politicians have ever had my respect and both becuase I felt they stuck to their principles come what may Maggie Thacter and Tony Benn as for the rest never had any time for them.

 

No, nothing matters, it's all hopeless, we give up.

[hypochondriac]

of course delusion is a right wing way of saying that you disagree, i fully expect it to be followed up with "not living in the real world" amongst other banal insults.

 

Are you suggesting I am right wing here? Because as I have previously explained, I have no affiliation with any political party and I wouldn't consider my views radically right win in any way

 

Or......

 

you could look at the serious economic advice that the Tories (yup them) choose to ignore that said that cutting the public sector would damage the economy further and if anything deepen the recession.

 

They chose to listen to the opposite argument which was put forward in an equally convincing manner. As yet we do not know which side was right so it is difficult to comment.

 

Last point so won't be able to respond to any answer annoyingly.

 

Personally i have no doubts that there would have been large cuts to certain areas but i think it would have been with the aim of saving jobs since it's not only sensible Keynesian economics, but also allows for more money to be spent.

 

Labour wasn't working and they were who got us into this mess. I did not trust them to get us out.

 

As for the fees rise, well we know from manifesto's that this was likely to happen, the important point was that it would not have been on such a large scale.

 

Not sure what you mean here. What would the alternative to the fees rise have been?

 

For the final point of the tax dodging of Vodaphone, i'd like to think any other party would not have had so many vested interests in letting the slide (don't forget that certain board members of Vodaphone invested in the Tory party).

 

Actually don't know much about this one here, sorry.

 

Now the real last point as i see it is that these are (so far) the most palatable of the cuts, one's which can be largely passed off as cutting the deficit (even if tuition fess are privatisation of university by the back door). The question and fear for me is that these are only the start, and given their past histories i do not trust the conservatives for a minute in their want to sell off that which is ours to their mates so they can rake in a profit.

 

Pure speculation at the moment. I am willing to give them a chance and will support what I agree with and disagree loudly with what I don't (the porn ISP thing for example.)

 

Oh and if you want proof of their cronyism then look no further than the person sitting on the head of the team responsible for allowing murdoch to buy BskyB in whole. A very sympathetic ear to Murdoch and one that's [to put it softly] sensitive to the Tory cause.

 

Mark my words things are getting a hell of a lot worse in the next year or two, i just hope that the british people see fit to not allow a few people to capitalise on this world economic problem by selling off what's left of the public sector to their mates. We already live in a highly unfair and divided country, the results of many of these policies could make this gap much, much bigger.

 

Much of what is being done would have been done whoever was in charge. The Tories are not to blame.

 

Mind you it could just be a simple case of NIMBYism on the part of Tory voters, something i have no doubt will change when their lives and jobs are directly affected by the policies of the government of the few.

 

Or the simple fact that Labour f*cked up and the Tories were the ones most trusted to put things right? The best of a bad bunch if you will?

[doddisalegend]

No, nothing matters, it's all hopeless, we give up.

 

Really? I feel sorry for you then. I have plenty of things that matter to me in my life, however politicans are not one of them. Do you really feel being asked for your opinion once every four years gives you much say in the way this country is run? We pay lip service to democracy while the general voters have very little impact under the current system.

[Gingeletiss]

People need to stop thinking of property as a market. A home is something to live in, not something to speculate on. They are priced way too high for the average salary ( 27K ? ), and while there are causes for this, there are no valid reasons why we should continue to put up with it.

 

Your answer is?? Are you saying that you wish to plunge hundreds of thousands of home owners into negative equity, so as a new generation can have those same properties on the cheap!

[Johnny Bognor]

Yes, I agree, you are quite confused. 'Taxing the ****' out of vodafone means their merely paying approximately the same proportion of taxes as other companies, including other telecoms, that don't resort to such dubious methods to avoid their responsibilities. And the 'private v public' division you push with such enthusiasm places your argument in about 1955. Today, some very powerful, very large companies make their fortunes from taxation - notably PFI companies, extraordinarily corrupt defence contractors like BAE Systems, drugs companies supplying the NHS at exorbitant cost, etc etc.

 

OK, I was being a bit silly, of course everyone should pay their fair share, I suppose the point I was making (not very well, I admit) was that taxing the **** out of the private sector does not utimately save jobs. Brown increased empoyers NI..... great move. Increase the cost of employing people and guess what, you have less money with which to employ people.

 

Anyway, Vodafone were tax dodging thoughout the abour government and no one was complaining then. Now the nasty wasty tory party are running the show, it is suddenly a problem. I think Hypo is on to something. When Brown abolished the 10p tax band (thus hitting the lowest paid the most, something I was against BTW), not a whisper from our leftie freinds on here. Had the tories done this now, you lot would be spontaneously combusting. Therefore, it leads me to the conclusion that socialism in itself is not hypocracy, but those who believe in it are hypocrites.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

They'll survive this parliament then Tories will win a small majority during the next.

[pap]

Your answer is?? Are you saying that you wish to plunge hundreds of thousands of home owners into negative equity, so as a new generation can have those same properties on the cheap!

 

Nope.

 

Universal property re-valuation in line with what people can pay and adjustment of existing mortgages in line with those valuations. Let the banks take the hit.

[Thedelldays]

Nope.

 

Universal property re-valuation in line with what people can pay and adjustment of existing mortgages in line with those valuations. Let the banks take the hit.

which will be passed on to us...in crap mortgage deals...crap loan deals, higher credit card rates, poor interest rates, bank charges etc etc...

[Thedelldays]

They'll survive this parliament then Tories will win a small majority during the next.

 

hopefully

 

reason being...the liberals are completely self imploding...they waited generations to get a sniff of power..they finally get a bit and seemingly dont know what to do with it....

 

and the labour lot are completely unelectable....their new leader will never win an election

[pap]

Really? I feel sorry for you then. I have plenty of things that matter to me in my life, however politicans are not one of them. Do you really feel being asked for your opinion once every four years gives you much say in the way this country is run? We pay lip service to democracy while the general voters have very little impact under the current system.

 

Agreed.

 

Democracy, as implemented here and elsewhere, is merely the illusion of choice. The only thing we get to decide is who represents us at Parliament. Once returned, the political parties will just do whatever their leadership demands. New governments rarely know what they're doing, while the institutions that persist across Parliaments, such as corporations, continue to get stronger and wield more power in our 'democratic' process.

 

We live in an age where you can instantly canvas opinion and debate on any subject, yet we're denied from doing so because our "representative Government" is there to do it for us. Look how well that's worked out.

[Verbal]

OK, I was being a bit silly, of course everyone should pay their fair share, I suppose the point I was making (not very well, I admit) was that taxing the **** out of the private sector does not utimately save jobs. Brown increased empoyers NI..... great move. Increase the cost of employing people and guess what, you have less money with which to employ people.

 

Anyway, Vodafone were tax dodging thoughout the abour government and no one was complaining then. Now the nasty wasty tory party are running the show, it is suddenly a problem. I think Hypo is on to something. When Brown abolished the 10p tax band (thus hitting the lowest paid the most, something I was against BTW), not a whisper from our leftie freinds on here. Had the tories done this now, you lot would be spontaneously combusting. Therefore, it leads me to the conclusion that socialism in itself is not hypocracy, but those who believe in it are hypocrites.

 

I hesitate to say this in case you throw your wheelchair at me, but it's 'hypocrisy', dearest. On that subject, you waltzed away from my main point. Should the nasty wastys be going after the notorious defence contractors who inflate their charges to the MoD by billions, the drug companies who do the same, the same with the NHS, the PFI companies who sit on wildly favourable contracts and then mysteriously fail to deliver,having gouged millions from PFI (an invention of Thatch-Major, by the way). THIS is surely just as important - if not more so - as firing nurses, care workers, OAP homes, education, etc, etc. But are the nasty wastys doing it? Are they ****. So maybe it's a good idea to spell hypocrisy correctly, because the cap fits the libcons perfectly.

[iansums]

Can I just ask when did it become acceptable for the press instead of just reporting the news to begin creating the news by setting people up. Cable was incredibly naive to say hat he did but he was clearly just showing off to a couple of young ladies. But what good has this done for the government and therefore the country? Ironically, what good has it done for the Telegraph as it seems clear now that Murdoch will get his way.

 

I don't care whether it's Tory, Labour or whatever coalition of government, once they are in power I want them to get on with the job without the press trying to bring them down.

 

The press in this country are a f****** disgrace.

[Johnny Bognor]

I hesitate to say this in case you throw your wheelchair at me, but it's 'hypocrisy', dearest. On that subject, you waltzed away from my main point. Should the nasty wastys be going after the notorious defence contractors who inflate their charges to the MoD by billions, the drug companies who do the same, the same with the NHS, the PFI companies who sit on wildly favourable contracts and then mysteriously fail to deliver,having gouged millions from PFI (an invention of Thatch-Major, by the way). THIS is surely just as important - if not more so - as firing nurses, care workers, OAP homes, education, etc, etc. But are the nasty wastys doing it? Are they ****. So maybe it's a good idea to spell hypocrisy correctly, because the cap fits the libcons perfectly.

 

If Labour didn't go after them, why should the nasty wasties (notice that the plural of 'wasty' is 'wasties').

 

I knew I should have done film studies at uni, my spelling and grammar would been immeasurably better.

[Verbal]

If Labour didn't go after them, why should the nasty wasties (notice that the plural of 'wasty' is 'wasties').

 

I knew I should have done film studies at uni, my spelling and grammar would been immeasurably better.

 

I was being kind about NOT spelling wastys as wasties - but I defer to the blue corner on this. Waste it is. And I don't know why Labour didn't go after them - I wish they had. So won't you advocate going after them now?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

hopefully

 

reason being...the liberals are completely self imploding...they waited generations to get a sniff of power..they finally get a bit and seemingly dont know what to do with it....

 

and the labour lot are completely unelectable....their new leader will never win an election

 

What odds on a Labour win? Nice one tdd, with your Paul Merson like prediction track record, i'm off to the bookies!

[bridge too far]

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/

[pap]

Can I just ask when did it become acceptable for the press instead of just reporting the news to begin creating the news by setting people up. Cable was incredibly naive to say hat he did but he was clearly just showing off to a couple of young ladies. But what good has this done for the government and therefore the country? Ironically, what good has it done for the Telegraph as it seems clear now that Murdoch will get his way.

 

I don't care whether it's Tory, Labour or whatever coalition of government, once they are in power I want them to get on with the job without the press trying to bring them down.

 

The press in this country are a f****** disgrace.

 

It's essentially entrapment.

 

The Telegraph benefits because Rupert is now happy.

[dune]

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/

 

That is very encouraging. Despite the cuts the Conservatives are holding firm at around 40%. By 2015 we'll see the benefits of the cuts and a majority Conservative government will be elected.

[Verbal]

That is very encouraging. Despite the cuts the Conservatives are holding firm at around 40%. By 2015 we'll see the benefits of the cuts and a majority Conservative government will be elected.

 

In your dreams Tory boy. Even with a less than dynamic leader, Labour's recovery is pretty astonishing.

[Verbal]

Now other LibDem ministers have been caught doing a Vince. I'm revising my estimate down. I'll give this useless shower six months.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/22/more-lib-dem-ministers-recorded

[dune]

In your dreams Tory boy. Even with a less than dynamic leader, Labour's recovery is pretty astonishing.

 

It's all remininscent of the early 80's.

 

Come 2015 Commie boy you won't be smiling.

[hypochondriac]

In your dreams Tory boy. Even with a less than dynamic leader, Labour's recovery is pretty astonishing.

 

Not at all when you consider the reactionary personalities that make up the British public.

[bridge too far]

Now other LibDem ministers have been caught doing a Vince. I'm revising my estimate down. I'll give this useless shower six months.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/22/more-lib-dem-ministers-recorded

 

I said it yesterday and this sort of compounds my conspiracy theory. Given that support for the LibDems is falling amongst their own supporters, is this, in fact, a desperate way of saying 'look peeps, we're standing up to these nasties' in the hope their support will rise again? Is it a threat to DC - 'water down your proposals or we'll leave you in a minority government'?

 

Given the number of u-turns this government has already done, are they trying to pressurise them into yet more? Or might they go, cap in hand, to Labour saying 'we'll bring this lot down and join you instead'?

[Verbal]

It's all remininscent of the early 80's.

 

Come 2015 Commie boy you won't be smiling.

 

I won't. Socialist revolution is a serious business. Viva la pasta!

[Verbal]

I said it yesterday and this sort of compounds my conspiracy theory. Given that support for the LibDems is falling amongst their own supporters, is this, in fact, a desperate way of saying 'look peeps, we're standing up to these nasties' in the hope their support will rise again? Is it a threat to DC - 'water down your proposals or we'll leave you in a minority government'?

 

Given the number of u-turns this government has already done, are they trying to pressurise them into yet more? Or might they go, cap in hand, to Labour saying 'we'll bring this lot down and join you instead'?

 

I agree, especially with your last point. Labour could be back in the driving seat in a year. Isn't prediction fun!

[hypochondriac]

I said it yesterday and this sort of compounds my conspiracy theory. Given that support for the LibDems is falling amongst their own supporters, is this, in fact, a desperate way of saying 'look peeps, we're standing up to these nasties' in the hope their support will rise again? Is it a threat to DC - 'water down your proposals or we'll leave you in a minority government'?

 

Given the number of u-turns this government has already done, are they trying to pressurise them into yet more? Or might they go, cap in hand, to Labour saying 'we'll bring this lot down and join you instead'?

 

You would love that. Thankfully that won't happen.

[bridge too far]

Well, there you go. Two different opinions on a hypothetical suggestion.

 

Punditry - love it!

[Johnny Bognor]

I was being kind about NOT spelling wastys as wasties - but I defer to the blue corner on this.

 

They obviously do a compassion module on film studies courses. Another thing I have missed out on.

 

Waste it is. And I don't know why Labour didn't go after them - I wish they had. So won't you advocate going after them now?

 

Private companies in trying to get the best price shocker!!! (They clearly didn't cover business acumen or economics on your film studies course)

[Thedelldays]

it is odd..after generations of being on the political sidelines...being absolutely no where near power...

the time they finally get a snif, they finally get to put their liberal slant on things..they just self implode..

 

reminds of pre season with saints

[hypochondriac]

Well, there you go. Two different opinions on a hypothetical suggestion.

 

Punditry - love it!

 

I want the country to do the best they can whoever is in charge. I get the impression that you would rather the country fails so that Labour get back into power.

[Thedelldays]

I want the country to do the best they can whoever is in charge. I get the impression that you would rather the country fails so that Labour get back into power.

 

agree with that...I did vote tory but had they lost and labour got in..I would have been annoyed but that would be about it...

some really do want this coalition to fail...which is sad

[hypochondriac]

it is odd..after generations of being on the political sidelines...being absolutely no where near power...

the time they finally get a snif, they finally get to put their liberal slant on things..they just self implode..

 

reminds of pre season with saints

 

Mostly because their policies are not based on anything and have little substance. In the main they are unworkable in the real world. I instantly lose respect for people who vote LibDem. Whilst I disagree with Labour at the moment, at least if you vote for them you know that they are offering something like an alternative.

[doddisalegend]

it is odd..after generations of being on the political sidelines...being absolutely no where near power...

The time they finally get a snif, they finally get to put their liberal slant on things..they just self implode..

 

Reminds of pre season with saints

 

lol

[dune]

[badgerx16]

If the rumours about the right wing of the Tories being annoyed that they aren't getting enough attention are true, then the BrokeBack Coalition may well split under pressure from both ends of it's particular political spectrum. Coalition government is all about compromise, and no backbench politician is happy doing that.

[hypochondriac]

OK I'm not anti Tory but that video is laughable.

[dune]

If the rumours about the right wing of the Tories being annoyed that they aren't getting enough attention are true, then the BrokeBack Coalition may well split under pressure from both ends of it's particular political spectrum. Coalition government is all about compromise, and no backbench politician is happy doing that.

 

Neither party can afford for it to collapse at this stage. Once there is a recovery and a feelgood factor, then a collapse wouldn't be so bad. Either way the Liberals are ****ed.

[JackanorySFC]

It's essentially entrapment.

 

The Telegraph benefits because Rupert is now happy.

 

Eh? How do you work that out?

 

The same Telegraph that are in direct competition with Rupert's Times and Sunday Times?

The same Telegraph that co-signed a letter to the letter alongside the BBC, independent newspapers, Mail Group Newspapers and Guardian PLC, to Ofcom and Vince Cable asking them to oppose the News Corp takeover of BSKYB?

The same Telegraph that purposefully left out the Murdoch related Vince Cable quote from the transcript printed yesterday as they knew the ramifacations?

 

Sorry but you've completely lost me?

[bridge too far]

I want the country to do the best they can whoever is in charge. I get the impression that you would rather the country fails so that Labour get back into power.

 

You're presuming to know what I'm thinking - yet again

 

Once again, I posted some INFORMATION and an idea about the thinking behind the LibDem's leaks for consideration. I'm not so blinkered as to wish for the 'country' to fail. And you should not so arrogantly assume that I am.

[dune]

You're presuming to know what I'm thinking - yet again

 

Once again, I posted some INFORMATION and an idea about the thinking behind the LibDem's leaks for consideration. I'm not so blinkered as to wish for the 'country' to fail. And you should not so arrogantly assume that I am.

 

You sound just like Margaret Thatcher when you get angry.

[badgerx16]

You sound just like Margaret Thatcher when you get angry.

Take a cold shower.

[iansums]

agree with that...I did vote tory but had they lost and labour got in..I would have been annoyed but that would be about it...

some really do want this coalition to fail...which is sad

 

This is the point I was making earlier.

 

I normally vote Tory but in the first elction after Blair got to power I voted Labour as I thought he was doing a decent job. Yes, I felt dirty and the need to have a bloody good shower afterwards but the deed was done. I wanted them to do well in government because that would have been good for the nation. As it turns out they completely ****ed things up but I take no pleasure in that.

[hypochondriac]

You're presuming to know what I'm thinking - yet again

 

Once again, I posted some INFORMATION and an idea about the thinking behind the LibDem's leaks for consideration. I'm not so blinkered as to wish for the 'country' to fail. And you should not so arrogantly assume that I am.

 

So you want success under this coalition then? jolly good. There was me thinking you were just posting digs for the hell of it.

[bridge too far]

So you want success under this coalition then? jolly good. There was me thinking you were just posting digs for the hell of it.

 

Why do you persist in putting words in my mouth? I don't see any digs. All I see is a blog on opinion polls (as others were debating this issue) and a 'conspiracy theory'.

 

Your arrogance astounds me, quite frankly.

[Thedelldays]

Why do you persist in putting words in my mouth? I don't see any digs. All I see is a blog on opinion polls (as others were debating this issue) and a 'conspiracy theory'.

 

Your arrogance astounds me, quite frankly.

 

do you want the tory/liberal coalition to succeed and last till 2015..?

[bridge too far]

do you want the tory/liberal coalition to succeed and last till 2015..?

 

 

I want the country to be on a stable footing. Of course I do - I don't want more people losing their jobs and homes.

 

If the ONLY way that can happen is for the coalition to succeed, then so be it. I just don't believe their measures will deliver what we all want and, FWIW, I don't think it will last until 2015.

[Verbal]

do you want the tory/liberal coalition to succeed and last till 2015..?

 

What a dreadful thought. I think we're all agreed that that's what no one wants.

[Saintandy666]

Remember, even in a one party government there is massive disagreement and compromise. Political parties are all coalitions.

[pap]

Eh? How do you work that out?

 

The same Telegraph that are in direct competition with Rupert's Times and Sunday Times?

The same Telegraph that co-signed a letter to the letter alongside the BBC, independent newspapers, Mail Group Newspapers and Guardian PLC, to Ofcom and Vince Cable asking them to oppose the News Corp takeover of BSKYB?

The same Telegraph that purposefully left out the Murdoch related Vince Cable quote from the transcript printed yesterday as they knew the ramifacations?

 

Sorry but you've completely lost me?

 

And with good reason. I was talking out of my arse, mistakenly thinking that the Telegraph was Murdoch-owned. Got the issue of ownership completely wrong.

 

That said, it's an excellent result for Rupes. I'm wondering how that particular piece of news got out.

[solentstars]

I was being kind about NOT spelling wastys as wasties - but I defer to the blue corner on this. Waste it is. And I don't know why Labour didn't go after them - I wish they had. So won't you advocate going after them now?

 

because the blair new labour party are more tory then the present day tory party ,the present tory party has dropped its 80,s tory nutters and become a right of centre liberal party.